Bellator/WSOF/One FC etc events Thread

ASOT · 06-12-2015 11:20pm

Devastator wrote: »

Jaysus if you're that desperate to see a couple of pensioners fight just go into any nursing home and throw an open bag of wethers originals onto the ground. There will be no tapping out there.

He's plenty of time left for him to get a good pay cheque in another organisation on his past. I think he'll stay with the UFC and he let it run down to try and negotiate a better deal

Its not because of the IV, its because RR got beat and will now rematch Holm. Invicta announced she'll defend 145 title instead of fighting at 140 because there is no longer a rush for her to get used to the further weight cut because a fight with RR isn't close.

I know it's fairly obvious but that's the reason she's giving.

Devastator · 06-12-2015 11:23pm

ASOT wrote: »

I know it's fairly obvious but that's the reason she's giving.

Well thats different to the invicta script. There was video of some woman(she was some sort of invicta official) who said between them & UFC it was decided she would defend at 145 because the RR fight is further away then they had thought

ASOT · 06-12-2015 11:27pm

Devastator wrote: »

Well thats different to the invicta script. There was video of some woman(she was some sort of invicta official) who said between them & UFC it was decided she would defend at 145 because the RR fight is further away then they had thought

Yep that's part of it but she basically said it was down to the IV ban aswell.

http://www.mmafighting.com/2015/12/5/9853208/invicta-boss-cris-cyborg-will-fight-at-145-next-drop-to-bantamweight

Devastator · 06-12-2015 11:31pm

ASOT wrote: »

Yep that's part of it but she basically said it was down to the IV ban aswell.

http://www.mmafighting.com/2015/12/5/9853208/invicta-boss-cris-cyborg-will-fight-at-145-next-drop-to-bantamweight

That looks like the same woman(probably video too). I didn't actually watch the video just read the summary that was posted with it so it may not have had full content.

ASOT · 06-12-2015 11:32pm

Devastator wrote: »

That looks like the same woman(probably video too). I didn't actually watch the video just read the summary that was posted with it so it may not have had full content.

Itl be fairly hard for her to make 135 I'd say but imo she won't be getting the same rewards as the fight won't be as big, might not be worth it for her unless RR wins the belt back.

Devastator · 06-12-2015 11:39pm

ASOT wrote: »

Itl be fairly hard for her to make 135 I'd say but imo she won't be getting the same rewards as the fight won't be as big, might not be worth it for her unless RR wins the belt back.

Not according to Joe Rogan :eek::D

Yeah even IF RR wins back the belt I don't think she'll have the same (PPV) draw in general now that they can't push the invincible hype with her. Definitely don't think they could put her in a huge stadium as headliner(with fairly weak card for ppv) in future.

Gamebred · 23-12-2015 12:59pm

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3j20x7_gabi-garcia-goes-to-war-in-sparring-with-cris-cyborg-for-rizin-mma-debut_sport

Pride style testing I see rizin are doing.

Tazzimus · 23-12-2015 4:03pm

Gamebred wrote: »

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3j20x7_gabi-garcia-goes-to-war-in-sparring-with-cris-cyborg-for-rizin-mma-debut_sport

Pride style testing I see rizin are doing.

Christ she's huge...
Seems she's put back on all the bulk she lost after popping for PED's

She's like a Brazilian Chyna

Subcomandante Marcos · 23-12-2015 5:16pm

Tazzimus wrote: »

Christ she's huge...
Seems she's put back on all the bulk she lost after popping for PED's

She's like a Brazilian Chyna

Garcia or Cyborg? Because Cyborg is fighting at 145 in Invecta in like 3 weeks, so she's probably at about 165-170ish right now.

Garcia wasn't popped for PED's she had a fail which was later reversed because the drug she failed for has no benefit for female athletes and is used to regulate menstrual cycles and enhance fertility.

Either way, both of them look a lot smaller than they used to.

Gamebred · 23-12-2015 5:58pm

Both are on more juice than overoid in his prime.

Subcomandante Marcos · 23-12-2015 6:02pm

Gamebred wrote: »

Both are on more juice than overoid in his prime.

Well Cyborg is getting the same tests as everyone in the UFC, everyone signed to ZUFFA is so until she gets popped you're chatitng nonsense.

Gabbie is about half the size she used to be and is regularly tested by the USADA for IBJJF competitions. If they were jucing as much as you claim they'd be caught every time they're tested.

Gamebred · 23-12-2015 6:10pm

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Well Cyborg is getting the same tests as everyone in the UFC, everyone signed to ZUFFA is so until she gets popped you're chatitng nonsense.

Gabbie is about half the size she used to be and is regularly tested by the USADA for IBJJF competitions. If they were jucing as much as you claim they'd be caught every time they're tested.

Go way are ya serious? you think the pair are clean?

Tazzimus · 23-12-2015 9:05pm

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Garcia or Cyborg? Because Cyborg is fighting at 145 in Invecta in like 3 weeks, so she's probably at about 165-170ish right now.

Garcia wasn't popped for PED's she had a fail which was later reversed because the drug she failed for has no benefit for female athletes and is used to regulate menstrual cycles and enhance fertility.

Either way, both of them look a lot smaller than they used to.

Garcia.

Yeh my bad I didn't know it was reversed after.
She doesn't look that much smaller than the tuf pictures of her, didn't she slim right down at one point though?

I'd hate to roll with her she'd tie you in knots..

Gamebred · 23-12-2015 11:58pm

Cyborg was done for anabolic steroids anyways,if you believe gabi is clean you must also believe in the big man coming friday night in the red suit.

Mellor · 24-12-2015 12:06am

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Garcia wasn't popped for PED's she had a fail which was later reversed because the drug she failed for has no benefit for female athletes and is used to regulate menstrual cycles and enhance fertility.

Yeah was a female fertilitry drug, that males use to kickstart their system post cycle.

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Well Cyborg is getting the same tests as everyone in the UFC, everyone signed to ZUFFA is so until she gets popped you're chatitng nonsense.

She's been tested, and has passed three times.

But that does't change the fact that when was on steroids in the past either.

Gabbie is about half the size she used to be and is regularly tested by the USADA for IBJJF competitions.

That bit is not really true.

The testing is BJJ events is extremely limited.
Last year USADA tested only 10 athletes. All in completion tests, at one event. IBJJF Worlds. I imagine it's the 10 winners. This year was the same.
All other comps are testing free and out of comp testing is not done. Not getting caught in BJJ, in no way means someone is clean.

Tazzimus wrote: »

didn't she slim right down at one point though?

I'd hate to roll with her she'd tie you in knots..

She's an extreme talent grappler, but a large part of her dominance was the fact she was huge, even for the super heavyweight class.
After slimming down she lost a final for the first time in years, to a much smaller opponent (55kg I think)

Gamebred · 24-12-2015 12:09am

Some great david v goliath type jiu jitsu open weight matches out there on that topic if people wanna see some,Marcelo Garcia is your man,no bother to him taking out monsters.

Mellor · 24-12-2015 12:43am

Marcelo is class, smashing everyone despite being on 70kg.
But Caio Terra deserves a mention winning absolutes weighing on 56kg

Gamebred · 24-12-2015 12:48am

Mellor wrote: »

Marcelo is class, smashing everyone despite being on 70kg.
But Caio Terra deserves a mention winning absolutes weighing on 56kg

Yes theres some very small dudes in the grappling game that would wrap you in a ball,the miyao brother look like 2 nerds,absolute freaks on the ground.

Mellor · 24-12-2015 1:08am

The Miyao's ARE two nerds to be fair

El Guapo! · 27-12-2015 6:51pm

Any more steroid accusations and posters will be banned.

27-12-2015 11:56pm

Realised today I'd not checked to see to see what if anything was on in Japan for new year, Rizin have a serious amount of names fighting including Fedor coming out if retirement but as usual for these things the match making is a bit all over the place, still though they will have 2 cards this week.

Subcomandante Marcos · 27-12-2015 11:58pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Realised today I'd not checked to see to see what if anything was on in Japan for new year, Rizin have a serious amount of names fighting including Fedor coming out if retirement but as usual for these things the match making is a bit all over the place, still though they will have 2 cards this week.

3.

29th, 30th and 31st.

ASOT · 27-12-2015 11:59pm

The Heavyweight tournament has some decent names it'll be good!

Subcomandante Marcos · 27-12-2015 11:59pm

Is it being shown on Irish/UK tv or am I going to have to use a vpn to watch it on spike usa?

28-12-2015 12:00am

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

3.

29th, 30th and 31st.

Nice !!!!

Any word on who's calling the fights for the US/International broadcasts?? Would love to see Michael Schiavello do it, haven't heard him do much in recent years?

Subcomandante Marcos · 28-12-2015 12:03am

Deleted User wrote: »

Nice !!!!

Any word on who's calling the fights for the US/International broadcasts?? Would love to see Michael Schiavello do it, haven't heard him do much in recent years?

Not a clue, guess it will be the usual Bellator guys though if it's on spike and Viacom are somehow involved.

Mellor · 28-12-2015 3:33am

The Rizin cards look awful.

Fedor's opponent has only had 3 mma fights. His grappling is non-existent.

Sakuraba vrs Aoki sounds like a work in the makings.

Kron gonna Kron.

Any bookie taking bets?

Subcomandante Marcos · 29-12-2015 6:59pm

Apparently, by all accounts, Rizin 1 night 1 was pretty blood good.

Trying to find a way of watching it as an all in one rather than skipping between videos at the minute.

ASOT · 29-12-2015 7:01pm

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Apparently, by all accounts, Rizin 1 night 1 was pretty blood good.

Trying to find a way of watching it as an all in one rather than skipping between videos at the minute.

All fights were R1 finishes bar three, two being round 2&3 and the other was a decision! Gonna give it a bash later.

mmapk · 29-12-2015 8:15pm

The card was an awesome piece of matchmaking for JMMA. it was nuts, bananas and bizarre with great R1 finishes all rolled into a Pride ring.
My only let down (along with others this am) was the time it took the ref to stop the main card, apart from that put yourself into Pride mode and enjoy the fights, the tournie showcased the worlds best prospects (and a few vets).
Cannot wait until the 1st, had to stream the whole thing in Russian but c'est la vie.

Try looking on https://twitter.com/ZidanSports for the fights, trust me the time before fights were Russian adverts.

29-12-2015 10:45pm

Wow this event really did bring a nostalgic tear to my eye , it reeked of the old Pride days.

Having to watch with Russian commentary was the only bad thing about it

Mellor · 29-12-2015 11:22pm

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

3.

29th, 30th and 31st.

I think its only two. Nothing on the 30th showing for me.

mmapk wrote: »

The card was an awesome piece of matchmaking for JMMA. it was nuts, bananas and bizarre with great R1 finishes all rolled into a Pride ring.

An exciting card by all accounts, haven't seen it all yet. But 11/12 fights being finishes, mostly KOs in the first round suggests mismatches rather than good match making.

The Pride nostalgia is great and all, but if they want to survive as an alternative to the UFC, then they need to take it seriously. The novelty/freakshow matches will get tired fast.

Peter Aerts stepping on 2 days notice to fight a 400lb sumo wrestler, is normal in japan.

29-12-2015 11:44pm

It's pretty much old pride rules which I haven't seen at event in Japan in a long time. Last time I saw a Dream event even elbows were not permitted to a downed fighter if I correctly recall.

I not a fan of knees to the head on the ground but it does make the guy thing twice about turtling up if a knee or kick can come at him. I am a big fan of the 10 minute marathon 1st round though.

Dtp1979 · 29-12-2015 11:47pm

Mellor wrote: »

I think its only two. Nothing on the 30th showing for me.

An exciting card by all accounts, haven't seen it all yet. But 11/12 fights being finishes, mostly KOs in the first round suggests mismatches rather than good match making.

The Pride nostalgia is great and all, but if they want to survive as an alternative to the UFC, then they need to take it seriously. The novelty/freakshow matches will get tired fast.

Peter Aerts stepping on 2 days notice to fight a 400lb sumo wrestler, is normal in japan.

Was peter Aerts fighting?

30-12-2015 12:00am

Actually what is the deal with elbows at this event, working my way through it , kick/knees are legal on the ground in most fights but elbows aren't in some fights? Are fighters agreeing rules before hand or something ?

Mellor · 30-12-2015 3:02am

Dtp1979 wrote: »

Was peter Aerts fighting?

He apparently came out during this event and said he is replacing Jerome LeBanner on the 31st. It's all in Japanese so nobody has much of a clue what was said, but the reporting sites are saying they are presenting it as stepping in on 2 days notice.

Most likely, he was LeBanner was out ages ago and Rizin just kept it quiet for the drama.

Deleted User wrote: »

Actually what is the deal with elbows at this event, working my way through it , kick/knees are legal on the ground in most fights but elbows aren't in some fights? Are fighters agreeing rules before hand or something ?

Most fights were pride rules, so no elbows.
One of the matches last night was K-1 rules.
Another was "Rizin Mixed Rules". Which apparently meant alternating rounds of K-1 and MMA (inclue glove swaps). It was a wrestler v kickboxer match. Ridiculous rule set.

Tomorows card includes a K-1 fight. And the Bob Sapp v Akebono fight is Shoot Boxing rules.
Which is basically MMA with no ground fighting.

30-12-2015 8:17pm

Mellor wrote: »

Most fights were pride rules, so no elbows.
One of the matches last night was K-1 rules.
Another was "Rizin Mixed Rules". Which apparently meant alternating rounds of K-1 and MMA (inclue glove swaps). It was a wrestler v kickboxer match. Ridiculous rule set.

Yeah I was familiar with old pride rules which was what caused me to raise an eye brow when I saw elbows were legal in some of the straight up mma fights early on in the card, don't recall last time I saw that at an event in Japan..... if ever ? That said my memory aint what it used to be

Subcomandante Marcos · 30-12-2015 8:44pm

Anyone getting up at 6 to watch tomorrow's card?

RonanP77 · 30-12-2015 8:52pm

Subcomandante Marcos wrote:

Anyone getting up at 6 to watch tomorrow's card?

Can it only be watched online?

Subcomandante Marcos · 30-12-2015 8:59pm

RonanP77 wrote: »

Can it only be watched online?

Not on TV in Ireland AFAIK.

mmapk · 31-12-2015 10:18am

RIZIN.
Tips to watch via Legal stream.
If anyone uses Chrome to browse the net, add the HOLA extension (google HOLA Chrome) install it.
goto www.matchtv.ru - Top right click the HOLA button, choose RUSSIA and then click play on the stream.

thewheel2.0 · 31-12-2015 11:35am

mmapk wrote: »

RIZIN.
Tips to watch via Legal stream.
If anyone uses Chrome to browse the net, add the HOLA extension (google HOLA Chrome) install it.
goto www.matchtv.ru - Top right click the HOLA button, choose RUSSIA and then click play on the stream.

Good man, had Hola installed already too

Best quality stream around!

That_Guy · 31-12-2015 11:59am

I still get very uneasy watching kicks to the head...

Gamebred · 31-12-2015 12:01pm

Andy Souwer the guy who Aldo flys in for training camp to Brazil is a bad dude.

Kron about to choke someone now.

That_Guy · 31-12-2015 12:29pm

This announcer is gas. :pac:

That_Guy · 31-12-2015 12:39pm

Well that was painfully mismatched as we thought it would be.

31-12-2015 2:56pm

Only catching up with this now, what happened in the 2nd GP fight ? It came back from ads after found one and the russian was on the gound and the czech was getting his hand raised :mad:

Paully D · 31-12-2015 5:01pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDBFnIxzNJQ

An absolute embarrassment.

mmapk · 31-12-2015 5:22pm

Guys,
Same as before, use Chrome as your browser install the HOLA extension.

rizin.spike.com

Top right, click HOLA and choose USA, 2 days of Rizin with English comms live now.

#BreakfastWithFedor

Dtp1979 · 31-12-2015 6:00pm

Paully D wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDBFnIxzNJQ

An absolute embarrassment.

That was so staged it was pathetic. And the ring girls laughing behind them. Shocking

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