Sinn Fein - just where is the money coming from?

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

I don’t know. I’m not an investigative journalist. I will say that a political party owning 50 properties is extremely unusual. So is having 200 employees. Like maybe it’s all above board, but it’s worthy of further investigations.

4 properties in Dublin alone? Mad stuff, Ted.

Obviously we will be told that there’s nothing to see here and that this is another attempt by the ‘establishment’ to undermine SF. Fück that stupid opinion though.

Local retired FG politician owns about 10 houses another one has 3vthat I know of, Old retired priest has 6 or 7 left to him by old ones when they died, Owning houses is a fairly common thing in Ireland

Utter Consternation wrote: »

You're dead right Floppy. That sort of thing is akin to robbing a bank. A Northern Bank even. :eek::eek:

yeah, imagine a government doing that! Terrible people that british government

jaysus though - the fear is real. this is hilarious

See some was flashing the cheque book to that old pair at the border again. They know the truth maybe the PSNI should leak the file and put this joke to and end

The pattern is boringly obvious now.

Lazy journalist prints some questions/allegations.

Lazier power swap sweethearts get online to rinse and repeat the same old, same old bile then move on to the next allegation...rinse and repeat again.

realdanbreen wrote: »

Ouch!
I guess being reminded of your days wearing the Poppy hit a nerve!

Why would I need reminding of it????,i have said it on Boards enough times.
The reason you know this is because I put it up!!!

I drank in British legion clubs as well as Squaddie pubs all over Andover,Tidworth,Salisbury etc working in racing and I met a better class of Englishmen there who understood what the Catholic population had to put up with in NI than a lot of the "Irishmen" on here.

I wore a poppy then because I understood that it supported the men who fought in WW1 and WW2.

I don't wear it anymore as it now funnels money to soldiers who were used as terrorists in NI.

Guess you would know all about funnelling money considering your support Lowery.

smurgen wrote: »

Did they check FG and FF's offshore accounts when doing the comparison?

How dare you suggest that FG and FF accounts should be checked. Those 2 parties would never take part in dodgy practices.

jd1983 wrote: »

It has probably already been mentioned but they tend to inherit the fortunes of wealthy British people ;-)

I know about one famous one. Are there others?

He made the very sensible provison in his will to prepare for the next SF split. Which given their relentless pursuit of riches, could well be caused by the enormous windfall he provided. The volunteers will be looking for a cut I expect. I think it will have to be confined to the North, because of him being a British subject.

Mr Hampton then said that the rest of his estate should go to Sinn Féin, and set out detailed instructions as to what should happen if Sinn Féin was to split.

He said that the money was to go to Sinn Fein “to cover election expenses, to fund Sinn Fein offices and advice centres and to aid republican prisoners and their families in both Ireland and Britain”.

He went on: “For the purposes of clarification the organisation which I intend to benefit is commonly known as Provisional Sinn Féin to distinguish it from Republican Sinn Fein.

“In the event that the organisation which is now known as Sinn Féin should cease to be in existence or should have split or taken on a different name at the date of death then I direct that my executors and trustees are to apply my money to the political party to which Mr Gerry Adams, MP then belongs.”

He said that if Mr Adams had died by that point that the money should go to the republican or nationalist party with the largest number of elected councillors in “the six counties” – with the exception of the SDLP.

dxhound2005 wrote: »

If FF or FG had got a couple of million from some eccentric, I'd say the PBP types would be jumping up and down about capitalist greed. They have stayed silent about SF getting this windfall, as far as I know. Apologies to any PBP people if they have criticised it.

I would go so far as to say that any other party would have passed on the money to good causes, because of the enormous backlash which would have ensued in the press and on social media. SF have been given a free pass on this one in the press.

'Free' press?
There has been nothing but bitchy press about it. A full length TV programme and various sections of current affairs programmes given over to it.

holyhead wrote: »

The funding of political parties has always been a source of intrigue down the years. I guess with the link between SF and the IRA that adds another dimension which the other main parties don't have to contend with. That being said speculative articles about SF's wealth or otherwise are pointless. Unless someone has a paper trail or hard evidence then stop speculating. SF do seem to be the beneficiary of some people's wills which is interesting.
With the amount of money FF/FG got from cronies down the years especially brown envelopes I don't think they would be in the best moral position to cast aspersions.

One thing that is not speculation is the claims about SF politicians handing up most of their wages to the party. Individual members, and the party themselves made those claims. The fact that there was no evidence of that in their returns to SIPO is surely something which is ripe for investigation. SIPO have no function in investigating what has turned out to be false propaganda from the party to fool the public, but it could make for a good story in the press.

Also do you know how many more wills they have benefited from apart from Mr Hampton?

realdanbreen wrote: »

Steady on Jeff. I agree with a lot of what you say but if we had a few more like Lowry prepared to get stuck in we would all be a lot better off.

tipptom wrote: »

Yep,and I bet they have already held discussions with that other party stalwart and tax avoiding citizen Michael "is that a "FG application form in your pocket" Lowery.

realdanbreen wrote: »

Unlike the fella you voted into office in Tipp.

BTW you say that you were wearing the poppy and drinking with squaddies in British Legion clubs before the British army were terrorising nationalists in the 6 counties. That would put you in your 70's so I'm not sure if it would be fair of me to keep arguing with you.

8.10 in the morning and you are on the computer.

I would rather vote for someone who is unemployed than vote for a crook like Lowry who's level of corruption is "breathtaking" according to our judges.



No cheques from Lowry in this house for doing nothing at 8.10 in the morning.

tipptom wrote: »

8.10 in the morning and you are on the computer.

I would rather vote for someone who is unemployed than vote for a crook like Lowry who's level of corruption is "breathtaking" according to our judges.



No cheques from Lowry in this house for doing nothing at 8.10 in the morning.

Michael Lowry buried his brother yesterday and IMO only the lowest of the low would be on social media today knocking him.

As for SF; they have an engaged base that is constantly fundraising in the form of local events, raffles, draws, functions etc. Likewise a lot of work they do on properties is done in-house for very low rates by supporters of the party. This I know for a fact as it was a large part of activity when I was a member.

Also considering SF is probably the most scrutinised and investigated party in the country I’d imagine if there was massive financial irregularity then it would have been exposed by now.

I have no bother with investigative journalists delving into any party; have at it as far as I’m concerned. There should be state legislature stipulating far greater transparency for ALL political parties in the country including FF and FG’s links with developers and all the dodgy donations they have received in the past.

The likes of Varadkar morning about party funding is very much a case of glass houses and stones.

tipptom wrote: »

8.10 in the morning and you are on the computer.

I take it you were still in the scratcher then Tommie. What time would you go 'on the computer' at?

tipptom wrote: »

Was gone through Cloughjordan and Borrisokane at half five this morning.

No sign of any Lowry supporters around Borris at that time.

Wouldn't have been many around at that time Tommie certainly none wearing the Poppy( apart from the odd one around cloughjordan if you know what I mean)

realdanbreen wrote: »

Wouldn't have been many around at that time Tommie certainly none wearing the Poppy( apart from the odd one around cloughjordan if you know what I mean)

Plenty around Cloughjordan wear it and I have no problem with it,thats their view and they're entitled to it.
I do know what you mean about Cloughjordan but I'm not sectarian in my views,thanks all the same.

realdanbreen wrote: »

I have absolutely no doubt that you get on great Tom.
I suppose you regale them about your times drinking with the squaddies and toasting the Queen! They pat you on the head and you're up at cock crow happy as Larry mucking out the horses!

They love my particular version of The Sash.

We are organising lifts to Dublin from Tipp for the next Blueshirt/Lowry dedication for the Tans.

Im sure you will be getting a lift with lowry,he can tell you tales of big Phil,Dennis,Ben,Doncaster Rovers and the like.

Its a long time since I mucked out a horse and anyway its all done by ground staff now.

tayto lover wrote: »

Can’t believe how loyal people are to political parties.
They wouldn’t reciprocate it in a million years lads.
They look after themselves and to hell with you.

The biggest fears the politicians have of losing power, is that their 'income' will move to one of the other parties. Not that they won't get to implement their policies and attempt to fix or improve the country.
Often they are of the opinion that 'someones going to do it, why not us?'.
Rather than 'someone needs to stop it/control it/look after the people etc. why not us?'


They wouldn't look sideways at any of the posters here that they can't get something from.

FTA69 wrote: »

As for SF; they have an engaged base that is constantly fundraising in the form of local events, raffles, draws, functions etc. Likewise a lot of work they do on properties is done in-house for very low rates by supporters of the party. This I know for a fact as it was a large part of activity when I was a member.

Also considering SF is probably the most scrutinised and investigated party in the country I’d imagine if there was massive financial irregularity then it would have been exposed by now.

I have no bother with investigative journalists delving into any party; have at it as far as I’m concerned. There should be state legislature stipulating far greater transparency for ALL political parties in the country including FF and FG’s links with developers and all the dodgy donations they have received in the past.

The likes of Varadkar morning about party funding is very much a case of glass houses and stones.

Yes, an awful lot of people got their houses done up by the Northern Bank money. Sinn Fein members were well-known for paying in cash under the table for renovation jobs on the Northside.