Shooting season suspended due to lockdown?

berettaman · 19-11-2020 10:15am

I see the Anti's are trying to hound some TD's and Senators that supported us in relation to rough shooting.

We need to show them that the Anti's are the minority.
The politicians getting grief for standing up for us are

malcolm.byrne@oireachtas.ie
lisa.chambers@oireachtas.ie
timmy.dooley@oireachtas.ie

They are being targeted for "defending and supporting the resumption of the pheasant shooting and hare coursing during lockdown".
We need to show them some love and make it clear that the anti's contribute the square root of f@#k all!

tudderone · 19-11-2020 1:52pm

Your man Tierney has a ludicrous letter in the Mail, the only paper i've yet seen today. Reckons we are "In tears because we've been denied our victims" , that we are ignoring the lockdown restrictions, That "hunting sustains the culture of the bully" and other childish nonsense.

berettaman · 19-11-2020 2:26pm

tudderone wrote: »

Your man Tierney has a ludicrous letter in the Mail, the only paper i've yet seen today. Reckons we are "In tears because we've been denied our victims" , that we are ignoring the lockdown restrictions, That "hunting sustains the culture of the bully" and other childish nonsense.

Yeah, he is a W@#ker of the highest order, international class. He could W@#k for Ireland...:D

Grizzly 45 · 19-11-2020 2:45pm

Pay that fool no heed.He is an attention whore for his cause and the best way to deal with him and the likes of him is just don't respond and deny them publicity or a response, and they will slither back under their rocks. The more they rant and rave trying to get a response off us, they just look like a bunch of single, misinformed on their topic, over emotive "crazy cat ladies", gobbing off in a newspaper to fill a space in the Letters column.

JCJCJC · 19-11-2020 3:26pm

berettaman wrote: »

I see the Anti's are trying to hound some TD's and Senators that supported us in relation to rough shooting.

We need to show them that the Anti's are the minority.
The politicians getting grief for standing up for us are

malcolm.byrne@oireachtas.ie
lisa.chambers@oireachtas.ie
timmy.dooley@oireachtas.ie

They are being targeted for "defending and supporting the resumption of the pheasant shooting and hare coursing during lockdown".
We need to show them some love and make it clear that the anti's contribute the square root of f@#k all!

Well, we are again being lumped in with hare coursing. I can see why a coursing meeting would be deemed to contravene the regulations - it is an organised event and the crowd would be substantial, and probably all cheering etc. Rough shooting can't be compared - we go out on our own, or with one or two others, and even if we do that, normal good hunting practise would usually put a man on either side of the ditch. We wouldn't stand shoulder-to-shoulder if a dog picked up a trail, any fool should know that.

19-11-2020 8:34pm

tudderone wrote: »

Your man Tierney has a ludicrous letter in the Mail, the only paper i've yet seen today. Reckons we are "In tears because we've been denied our victims" , that we are ignoring the lockdown restrictions, That "hunting sustains the culture of the bully" and other childish nonsense.

Who is this Tierney?

19-11-2020 9:00pm

Never mind. Did some digging about him. Found this. Wish we had more like this judge!

"Anti hunting activists are outraged at the TWO MONTH jail sentence imposed today at Waterford District Court on John Tierney, a leading anti hunt campaigner.He is Campaigns Director of the AOHS.

The Judge also said that if Mr Tierney appealed the sentence he hoped it would be increased to THREE Months instead of Two .The judge Mr William Harnett is well known for his pro hunt comments. This leaning further came to light when he said at the comparison of the air horn to the hunting horn ' it was not like the slow sweet sound of the hunting horn.' "

19-11-2020 9:12pm

Although in fairness, killing foxes with dogs is a bit fugged up but it seems this John Tierney guy is against all hunting. Lumping a more unpopular sport such as hare coursing with pheasant shooting is a deliberate way to get the "down with this sort of thing" agenda going.

If he ever gets his way vermin populations will be out of control too.

JCJCJC · 19-11-2020 9:14pm

The Rifleman wrote: »

Although in fairness, killing foxes with dogs is a bit fugged up but it seems this John Tierney guy is against all hunting. Lumping a more unpopular sport such as hare coursing with pheasant shooting is a deliberate way to get the "down with this sort of thing" agenda going.

If he ever gets his way vermin populations will be out of control too.

He’d ban mousetraps if he could.

Grizzly 45 · 19-11-2020 9:22pm

Unfortunately like his pal in Callan, they both got off on technicalities...
Pity, as otherwise, they would have "form" for those events.
Give them time and enough rope and like most of those edjits who post on FB like Lensitir ANTIFA/hunt sabs[seems to be run by some Leftist loon who likes getting his head rearranged at Yellow Vest, National Party etc protests], Munster, Connaught Hunt sabs, will hang themselves or commit some sort of illegal activities that will bring the full law down on themselves.

Like the time the Boul Bernie Wright decided to bring a former Loyalist bomb maker down to a meeting in Dublin in a certain pub on Batchelor's walk in the mid-90s.To discuss "tactics," Think there were more 3 letter agencies both homegrown and from across the water and Border in and outside that pub that Saturday in November many years ago....Another chapter in my memoirs:D:D

19-11-2020 9:22pm

JCJCJC wrote: »

He’d ban mousetraps if he could.

Restrictions are lifted next Saturday. Usually I would never bother with pheasants because I think they are too tame. But I will make an exception for this year in honour of john Tierney. If I find any on my permissions I will send him a picture of my pheasant dinner!

Grizzly 45 · 19-11-2020 9:25pm

JCJCJC wrote: »

He’d ban mousetraps if he could.

Just shows how desperate he is to stir the sh22te pot to get some attention.:rolleyes:
Keep posting pics of your trophies lads,it makes these people go ab -sol-utelty ape and anything that upsets those nutters and hurts "muh feelings" is surely a good thing.

JCJCJC · 19-11-2020 9:27pm

The Rifleman wrote: »

Restrictions are lifted next Saturday. Usually I would never bother with pheasants because I think they are too tame. But I will make an exception for this year in honour of john Tierney. If I find any on my permissions I will send him a picture of my pheasant dinner!

If the weather is ok it will be like the battle of Mons, shots in every field and lads trying to avoid each other, the very thing we would have avoided if the season opened normally. Pity the case won’t go ahead though on the 8th.
I reckon the NARGC could do worse than assemble a panel of solicitors who will be sympathetic to shooters and take the trouble to analyse the recent regulations, in order to defend anyone who has been hassled by the séidógs.

Cass · 19-11-2020 9:32pm

tudderone wrote: »

Your man Tierney has a ludicrous letter in the Mail, the only paper i've yet seen today. Reckons we are "In tears because we've been denied our victims" , that we are ignoring the lockdown restrictions, That "hunting sustains the culture of the bully" and other childish nonsense.

Seen that today. Some seriously, bordering on defamatory, comments by him. Most of us know who he is, but the average Joe will swallow his bile.

JCJCJC · 19-11-2020 9:35pm

Cass wrote: »

Seen that today. Some seriously, bordering on defamatory, comments by him. Most of us know who he is, but the average Joe will swallow his bile.

Could you put up a picture here?

tudderone · 19-11-2020 9:38pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Like the time the Boul Bernie Wright decided to bring a former Loyalist bomb maker down to a meeting in Dublin in a certain pub on Batchelor's walk in the mid-90s.To discuss "tactics," Think there were more 3 letter agencies both homegrown and from across the water and Border in and outside that pub that Saturday in November many years ago....Another chapter in my memoirs:D:D

Its a wonder they weren't all mugged on the boardwalk by the living dead that frequent it

.

Eddie B · 19-11-2020 9:39pm

The Rifleman wrote: »

Although in fairness, killing foxes with dogs is a bit fugged up but it seems this John Tierney guy is against all hunting. Lumping a more unpopular sport such as hare coursing with pheasant shooting is a deliberate way to get the "down with this sort of thing" agenda going.

If he ever gets his way vermin populations will be out of control too.

Jesus christ lad, you a friend of Tierney's?

Sign of the times i suppose.

JCJCJC · 19-11-2020 9:45pm

Eddie B wrote: »

Jesus christ lad, you a friend of Tierney's?

Sign of the times i suppose.

Ah, he has a point. Using forty or fifty hounds, twenty people in pink jackets and a hundred of the great unwashed trotting behind them, all pretending to hunt foxes so they won’t take chickens from a farmer’s haggard is a bit of a joke.
Don’t misunderstand me, I think a hunt is a most glorious sight in the countryside but the argument that it’s about saving the Rhode Island Reds from Reynard the madra rua doesn’t really work.

19-11-2020 9:46pm

Eddie B wrote: »

Jesus christ lad, you a friend of Tierney's?

Sign of the times i suppose.

Suppose you'd like to see dog fights be legal to?

Limerick Sovereigns · 19-11-2020 9:47pm

The Rifleman wrote: »

Restrictions are lifted next Saturday. Usually I would never bother with pheasants because I think they are too tame. But I will make an exception for this year in honour of john Tierney. If I find any on my permissions I will send him a picture of my pheasant dinner!

Has there been confirmation of this?

Grizzly 45 · 19-11-2020 9:50pm

tudderone wrote: »

Its a wonder they weren't all mugged on the boardwalk by the living dead that frequent it .

Long before that was a thing and built on the Liffey ...;)

tudderone · 19-11-2020 9:51pm

An uncle of mine had a stables years ago, before he drank the place, anyway i'd be there during christmas/summer hol's from school and weekends and all that. We used to join the hunt, as if the Horse was to take part in National hunt races, you had to have a cert to say the horse had been hunted.

While it was great fun, the hounds were so inbred, so i was told, they couldn't find their buttholes to lick them, never mind a fox in a field. What i didn't like was when a fox was chased to ground, a team of terrier lads would dig him out anyway.

Fair is fair, if the fox had got away, he'd won the day, leave him alone.

19-11-2020 9:52pm

Limerick Sovereigns wrote: »

Has there been confirmation of this?

No confirmation but I think that's when the original 6 week lockdown ends.

JCJCJC · 19-11-2020 9:54pm

tudderone wrote: »

An uncle of mine had a stables years ago, before he drank the place, anyway i'd be there during christmas/summer hol's from school and weekends and all that. We used to join the hunt, as if the Horse was to take part in National hunt races, you had to have a cert to say the horse had been hunted.

While it was great fun, the hounds were so inbred, so i was told, they couldn't find their buttholes to lick them, never mind a fox in a field. What i didn't like was when a fox was chased to ground, a team of terrier lads would dig him out anyway.

Fair is fair, if the fox had got away, he'd won the day, leave him alone.

As well as the terrier men, some hunts have lads going ahead blocking all the fox earths and badger setts to force the fox to keep running. Hunting has a big commercial side, people pay to get a days hunting and they want to see foxes being killed.

tudderone · 19-11-2020 9:55pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Long before that was a thing and built on the Liffey ...;)

True, dublin wasn't as bad then as it is now. But the notion in my head of various orgs all sitting around spying on that wright eejit, is bordering on the hilarious.

Eddie B · 19-11-2020 9:59pm

The Rifleman wrote: »

Suppose you'd like to see dog fights be legal to?

Why would i? Nothing to do with hunting. Anyway, im not going to waste my breath, trying to change your mind just like i wouldn't change an anti's about any form of hunting. Lets just
leave it at this. United we stand, and divided we fall.

Grizzly 45 · 19-11-2020 10:01pm

tudderone wrote: »

An uncle of mine had a stables years ago, before he drank the place, anyway i'd be there during christmas/summer hol's from school and weekends and all that. We used to join the hunt, as if the Horse was to take part in National hunt races, you had to have a cert to say the horse had been hunted.

While it was great fun, the hounds were so inbred, so i was told, they couldn't find their buttholes to lick them, never mind a fox in a field. What i didn't like was when a fox was chased to ground, a team of terrier lads would dig him out anyway.

Fair is fair, if the fox had got away, he'd won the day, leave him alone.

My German hunting family on viewing the horse& hound fox hunting were just left asking...How do they ever manage to catch a fox in the 1st place with all this hullabaloo and racket?
The fox being one of the smartest animals around and known for it throughout Europe and the Middle East, where he is known as "The prince of thieves", has to be either ill or off his game to be caught by hounds.

Still each to their own, and I'd rather fight the antis in someone elses fox hunting front yard , than in my shooting and gunowning living room.

JCJCJC · 19-11-2020 10:06pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

My German hunting family on viewing the horse& hound fox hunting were just left asking...How do they ever manage to catch a fox in the 1st place with all this hullabaloo and racket?
The fox being one of the smartest animals around and known for it throughout Europe and the Middle East, where he is known as "The prince of thieves", has to be either ill or off his game to be caught by hounds.

Still each to their own, and I'd rather fight the antis in someone elses fox hunting front yard , than in my shooting and gunowning living room.

Well, it’s an English system so you can’t expect it to be as efficient as the German way of doing things!

19-11-2020 10:07pm

Eddie B wrote: »

Why would i? Nothing to do with hunting. Anyway, im not going to waste my breath, trying to change your mind just like i wouldn't change an anti's about any form of hunting. Lets just
leave it at this. United we stand, and divided we fall.

Fair enough. Although I think tying this form of hunting to our causes hurts us. It's hard to justify using a pack of dogs to kill a fox when one bullet could do the job.

GooseB · 19-11-2020 10:07pm

The Rifleman wrote: »

No confirmation but I think that's when the original 6 week lockdown ends.

The lockdown started at midnight on Wednesday the 21st of October for 6 weeks. That'll take us up to midnight on the 2nd of December provided it doesn't get extended further.

19-11-2020 10:12pm

GooseB wrote: »

The lockdown started at midnight on Wednesday the 21st of October for 6 weeks. That'll take us up to midnight on the 2nd of December provided it doesn't get extended further.

That's a Wednesday. I'll have to head out before work so

tudderone · 19-11-2020 10:12pm

The Antis used to protest at the Dublin south county hunt, which was a drag hunt (the hounds followed the scent of a sack of fox-pee or something like that), years ago. They were a bit commie/antifa back then and i presume they still are. It was as much about class warfare and all that rubbish as animal rights.

tudderone · 19-11-2020 10:13pm

GooseB wrote: »

The lockdown started at midnight on Wednesday the 21st of October for 6 weeks. That'll take us up to midnight on the 2nd of December provided it doesn't get extended further.

Whats the number of cases/deaths now, haven't seen any numbers for a while now.

Grizzly 45 · 19-11-2020 10:16pm

tudderone wrote: »

True, dublin wasn't as bad then as it is now. But the notion in my head of various orgs all sitting around spying on that wright eejit, is bordering on the hilarious.

It was quite funny actually, and that was happening. The SB sitting outside in a Fiesta van in a side alley on a double yellow for four hours with two burly lads in it didn't look suss at all.:P:P
You'll have to wait until I write it.it was a comedy of errors and Sod's law of the Seas and what surveillance can be like in real-time.:D:D

Dazzamot · 19-11-2020 10:22pm

What's the story with shooting pigeons lads....within 5k on field that's taking a battering

Grizzly 45 · 19-11-2020 10:25pm

JCJCJC wrote: »

Well, it’s an English system so you can’t expect it to be as efficient as the German way of doing things

Yeah true, seeing Herman Goering as Reich master of the hunt banned "Par Force" hunting in the mid-1930s as being unsporting and animal cruelty, along with any form of vivisection and prison terms or heavy fines for animal cruelty in the 3rd Reich, and it's one of the good few Nazi laws the new Fed German Republic kept on its books,so we'll never know.:cool:

JCJCJC · 19-11-2020 10:33pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

JCJCJC wrote: »

Well, it’s an English system so you can’t expect it to be as efficient as the German way of doing things

Yeah true, seeing Herman Goering as Reich master of the hunt banned "Par Force" hunting in the mid-1930s as being unsporting and animal cruelty, along with any form of vivisection and prison terms or heavy fines for animal cruelty in the 3rd Reich, and it's one of the good few Nazi laws the new Fed German Republic kept on its books,so we'll never know.:cool:

I have actually seen Goering’s Fieldmarshall’s baton, the one he was usually holding in photographs. It is in West Point.
I spent a few days with a German jagergruppe a few years back. They take cruelty issues very seriously. There is one policeman dedicated to regulating the hunting, he tests the hunters and the dogs. The dog had to be able to follow a blood trail after a wounded deer so that it doesn’t suffer. The dog does an exam, and gets a three-digit number tattooed on its ear. After a set period, the dog does another exam, and if it passes, it gets three more digits. You can’t hunt with or breed off of a dog unless it has the six-digit number. They mostly hunted wild boar and deer, they hated foxes because they carry rabies in Germany. They had great value on woodcock, they are scarce in the Black Forest area. All the hunters wear a special uniform and they are all musicians as well, it’s a huge cultural thing to be a jäger.

JCJCJC · 19-11-2020 10:36pm

Dazzamot wrote: »

What's the story with shooting pigeons lads....within 5k on field that's taking a battering

I would say you are perfectly entitled to shoot them. But, thanks to the publicity, busybodies are now phoning the guards and even gun club officers when they hear shots.

Eddie B · 19-11-2020 10:48pm

The Rifleman wrote: »

Fair enough. Although I think tying this form of hunting to our causes hurts us. It's hard to justify using a pack of dogs to kill a fox when one bullet could do the job.

To be honest I have very little interest in fox hunting itself. BUT, the reality is, more fox's are left injured from a gun, than from a pack of hounds. That's just fact, no matter what way you look at it. Yes, we all want to justify our own interests, and distance ourselves from one's we don't particularly agree with, but that will result in us acting just like those anti's we dispise. We all know, if the anti's get their way, they'll take more than just fox hunting.

Remember, as far as their concerned, it's all cruelty. Shooting fox's, hunting rabbits, ferreting, ratting with terriers, its all the same to them. They've got a lot banned in the UK, it'll happen here too.

Dazzamot · 19-11-2020 10:53pm

JCJCJC wrote: »

I would say you are perfectly entitled to shoot them. But, thanks to the publicity, busybodies are now phoning the guards and even gun club officers when they hear shots.

I know what your saying shot the same field 3 weeks ago just before the guards came up with their pie in the sky interpretation and had a knock at the door that evening from another club member wanting to know what I was shooting!

JCJCJC · 19-11-2020 10:59pm

Dazzamot wrote: »

I know what your saying shot the same field 3 weeks ago just before the guards came up with their pie in the sky interpretation and had a knock at the door that evening from another club member wanting to know what I was shooting!

Give both the same “Anglo-Saxon farewell”.

Grizzly 45 · 19-11-2020 11:20pm

JCJCJC wrote: »

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

. All the hunters wear a special uniform and they are all musicians as well, it’s a huge cultural thing to be a jäger.

Not a hobby, it's a lifestyle choice over there.

Cass · 20-11-2020 12:42am

JCJCJC wrote: »

Could you put up a picture here?

No. Copyright SI prevents me doing that as its classed as copyright infringement. Its why we lost the Press Clippings thread some years back.

Cass · 20-11-2020 12:47am

The Rifleman wrote: »

Restrictions are lifted next Saturday.

The Rifleman wrote: »

No confirmation but I think that's when the original 6 week lockdown ends.

No, they're not.

The lockdown is for 6 weeks and due to end on December 1st or 2nd. Not sure which. Next week is only the end of November, so still a few days to go after that. Assuming the lockdown is lifted that is.

Cass · 20-11-2020 12:49am

Dazzamot wrote: »

What's the story with shooting pigeons lads....within 5k on field that's taking a battering

If they are causing crop damage then you can shoot them, within the 5km limit. I've heard of lads being stopped and asked to produce letters from the landowner/farmer to prove they are needed for crop protection, which to me is not only overkill but foolish as no farmer i know would do such a thing, but if you can get it, get it.

Talk to the landowner and ask them if they would mind if AGS rang them, if you get stopped and gave AGS the landowner's number, to confirm you were needed.

In any case CYA.

meathstevie · 20-11-2020 11:58am

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Unfortunately like his pal in Callan, they both got off on technicalities...
Pity, as otherwise, they would have "form" for those events.
Give them time and enough rope and like most of those edjits who post on FB like Lensitir ANTIFA/hunt sabs[seems to be run by some Leftist loon who likes getting his head rearranged at Yellow Vest, National Party etc protests], Munster, Connaught Hunt sabs, will hang themselves or commit some sort of illegal activities that will bring the full law down on themselves.

Like the time the Boul Bernie Wright decided to bring a former Loyalist bomb maker down to a meeting in Dublin in a certain pub on Batchelor's walk in the mid-90s.To discuss "tactics," Think there were more 3 letter agencies both homegrown and from across the water and Border in and outside that pub that Saturday in November many years ago....Another chapter in my memoirs:D:D

Who says emeyefive, the ra, and the Garda could never have common purpose must have been wrong on that occasion....lol

JCJCJC · 20-11-2020 12:07pm

meathstevie wrote: »

Who says emeyefive, the ra, and the Garda could never have common purpose must have been wrong on that occasion....lol

Am I missing something? what has this got to do with the rough shooting ban?

Grizzly 45 · 20-11-2020 5:05pm

Don't worry about it JCJCJC...
We tend to wander off topics around here a good bit and explore interesting side roads that still have relevance to the main topic. Hang around here long enough and you'll get used to it .;):)

meathstevie · 20-11-2020 5:21pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Don't worry about it JCJCJC...
We tend to wander off topics around here a good bit and explore interesting side roads that still have relevance to the main topic. Hang around here long enough and you'll get used to it .;):)

Contextually relevant I think it’s called Grizzly....

tudderone · 20-11-2020 6:42pm

JCJCJC wrote: »

Am I missing something? what has this got to do with the rough shooting ban?

Anti's being lapped up with paramilitaries

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