You've Been Trumped

the lawman · 27-02-2013 9:11am

SnowDrifts wrote: »

Done

Can you drop me a nice little PM SnowDrifts?

blue note · 27-02-2013 9:38am

the lawman wrote: »

Can you drop me a nice little PM SnowDrifts?

Would you mind passing it on to me lawman?

SEORG · 27-02-2013 10:30am

Hi lads,

Could I be added to that PM list please.

Thanks.

the lawman · 27-02-2013 10:46am

blue note wrote: »

Would you mind passing it on to me lawman?

If and when I get it I will do blue note no probs and SEORG too.

bailey99 · 27-02-2013 11:12am

Can I get this as well, missed it and was hoping that BBC would reshow it.

Thanks again!

SnowDrifts · 27-02-2013 11:28am

Sent, enjoy.

kiers47 · 27-02-2013 11:29am

SnowDrifts wrote: »

Sent, enjoy.

Just to be a nuisance snow drift. Can I be included please and thank you. :-)

fullstop · 27-02-2013 11:35am

G'wan, me too if you don't mind.

olaguopa · 27-02-2013 11:37am

fullstop wrote: »

G'wan, me too if you don't mind.

Me too please. Thanks

Anatom · 27-02-2013 11:39am

*coughs* If you wouldn't mind Snowdrift...? *hat tip*

SnowDrifts · 27-02-2013 12:05pm

Anyone else, just send me a pm rather than post here

The Guardian · 27-02-2013 1:23pm

the BBC are you tracking you down SnowDrifts

dont be too surprised if Ivanka Trump rocks up at your house later

SnowDrifts · 27-02-2013 1:31pm

The Guardian wrote: »

dont be too surprised if Ivanka Trump rocks up at your house later

Something would rock up alright

SnowDrifts · 27-02-2013 1:34pm

Watched parts of it again this morning - still shocking to see how money can have such influence over authority. The part where the two police officers arrive at that woman's house and proceed to arrest the cameraman is fairly shocking and a flagrant abuse of power.

Goldenjohn · 08-07-2013 8:47pm

Panorama doing a follow up on this now bbc 1

ForeRight · 08-07-2013 9:02pm

Goldenjohn wrote: »

Panorama doing a follow up on this now bbc 1

What a pig of a man he is

WoundedRhino · 17-09-2013 2:09pm

If anyone missed this documentary it is now on UK Netflix.

Arsenium · 18-09-2013 3:34pm

I signed up for netflix last week and was browsing through it the other night and I think I saw it listed there. I could be wrong. Netflix is free for the month so if you really wanted to see it, that would be an option.

EDIT: Just saw the post above.... /EDIT

John Divney · 18-09-2013 3:43pm

IS there any other place the follow up is, on BBC Iplayer or elsewhere?

kelbal · 18-09-2013 7:04pm

Goldenjohn wrote: »

Panorama doing a follow up on this now bbc 1

What was the gist of the follow up?

Goldenjohn · 18-09-2013 8:33pm

Its on youtube called the trouble with trump only a half an hour long so worth a watch

sydneybound · 18-09-2013 10:10pm

Watched the panorama programme and come on what a terrible one sided show it is, anymore who gets taken in so easily is a little naive IMO.

The real people to blame here are the Scottish Government. What else do you expect from a man like Donald Trump? If you dance with the devil you will to get burnt. He's only in it for what he can get, the same as numerous businessmen the world over, nothing new. Although I don't agree with underhand tactics with the other homeowners, he offered to buy each of there homes but they wanted 20 times the actual price, meaning if the value was 50,000 they wanted a 1,000,000 which in my eyes is greed in itself. Besides that farmers land was a dump and should be cleaned up. If Lough Erne's course boarded a farm like that they would want it cleaned up too. With any high end project like this you will put people out of joint I'm sure it was the same for any new links like Doonbeg or the European club but that's life I suppose, however that doesn't give Trump the right to be underhanded like I said before.

In fairness it's the economic situation that does not allow someone to build a luxury hotel and 500 odd houses right now, so from a businessman's point of view why build them now when your going to lose money, wait till times get a little better. The second course is going ahead which I'm sure will be a class act.

I spend quite a bit of time in the UK and have worked with a few scots with one being from Aberdeenshire and he was completely for the course. The course will bring in high yield tourists wanting to pay a premium for a top product and while in the area will want luxurious accommodation and more than willing to spend high amounts in local restaurants & shops.

I for one would definitely love to play the course, the photos look some of the best I've seen. I don't mean to come across as all pro Trump, like you there's parts of the man I detest, but these panorama shows need to be taken with a pinch of salt given that they are so lob sided, if it was more even I would have taken greater notice.

FixdePitchmark · 18-09-2013 11:01pm

sydneybound wrote: »

Watched the panorama programme and come on what a terrible one sided show it is, anymore who gets taken in so easily is a little naive IMO.

The real people to blame here are the Scottish Government. What else do you expect from a man like Donald Trump? If you dance with the devil you will to get burnt. He's only in it for what he can get, the same as numerous businessmen the world over, nothing new. Although I don't agree with underhand tactics with the other homeowners, he offered to buy each of there homes but they wanted 20 times the actual price, meaning if the value was 50,000 they wanted a 1,000,000 which in my eyes is greed in itself. Besides that farmers land was a dump and should be cleaned up. If Lough Erne's course boarded a farm like that they would want it cleaned up too. With any high end project like this you will put people out of joint I'm sure it was the same for any new links like Doonbeg or the European club but that's life I suppose, however that doesn't give Trump the right to be underhanded like I said before.

In fairness it's the economic situation that does not allow someone to build a luxury hotel and 500 odd houses right now, so from a businessman's point of view why build them now when your going to lose money, wait till times get a little better. The second course is going ahead which I'm sure will be a class act.

I spend quite a bit of time in the UK and have worked with a few scots with one being from Aberdeenshire and he was completely for the course. The course will bring in high yield tourists wanting to pay a premium for a top product and while in the area will want luxurious accommodation and more than willing to spend high amounts in local restaurants & shops.

I for one would definitely love to play the course, the photos look some of the best I've seen. I don't mean to come across as all pro Trump, like you there's parts of the man I detest, but these panorama shows need to be taken with a pinch of salt given that they are so lob sided, if it was more even I would have taken greater notice.

Was one sided, but look at what they were up against.

Just giving a voice to the voiceless.

Thank God for journalism like that, we could have done with more of that in Ireland over the last 30 years.

I think anybody taken in by Trump is very naive.

sydneybound · 18-09-2013 11:10pm

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

I think anybody taken in by Trump is very naive.

Scottish Government

John Divney · 18-09-2013 11:10pm

That course will not bring in that many tourists, for God sake. How many tourists does the surrounding area of the European club or Baltray get, no doubt far better courses? Day trippers.

The disgusting part for me is the collusion between Gov/business and the police, and the willful destruction of habitat that is very rare in Europe. He destroyed so much of it.

I like my links courses with the minimal destruction of dunes.

FixdePitchmark · 18-09-2013 11:41pm

sydneybound wrote: »

Scottish Government

It was cronyism of the highest order, under no circumstances should a minister, never mind first minister be meeting a developer.

It all sounds too familiar.

whitefoot · 08-07-2014 12:19am

The 2 hour documentary "You 've Been Trumped" was on RTE1 tonight so anyone who still wants to see it perhaps it will be on the RTE Player.

Doom · 08-07-2014 12:20am

First time seeing this programme about Trump in Scotland....terrible treatment of locals..
I wonder will he do this in Doonbeg??

phkk · 08-07-2014 12:36am

Doom wrote: »

First time seeing this programme about Trump in Scotland....terrible treatment of locals..
I wonder will he do this in Doonbeg??

Just watched it.. I'm ashamed of the Irish contractor who was very arrogant and self righteous throughout, especially the way he dealt with the mans water been cut off. You wouldn't expect anything less from Trump of course. But it's the treatment of the locals by the police which irked me the most which shows that money as always, talks.

First Up · 08-07-2014 5:36pm

Watched it. Pretty unpleasant business all round. I won't be patronising any of Mr Trump's courses - Doonbeg included.

Doom · 09-07-2014 8:44am

I believe that the hotel at Doonbeg will close during the winter period from now on, cannot imagine employees been happy at that.

curly from cork · 09-07-2014 7:30pm

Watched it and disliked Trump and all his organisation intensely ... That being said , I'm off to play Doonbeg next week , I'm easily swayed

FixdePitchmark · 13-12-2015 7:05pm

Interesting stuff here.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/golf/donald-trumps-turnberry-golf-club-to-no-longer-host-the-open-tournament-amid-anger-over-a6771086.html

Kingswood Rover · 13-12-2015 7:19pm

Fruitcakes like him make me despair about humanity...i have nothing against Fruit or cakes by the way although i have to say not mad about honeydew melons or Marzipan.

FixdePitchmark · 13-12-2015 7:48pm

Kingswood Rover wrote: »

Fruitcakes like him make me despair about humanity...i have nothing against Fruit or cakes by the way although i have to say not mad about honeydew melons or Marzipan.

To be honest that is a fairly strong stance from R&A - and they are not know for making that sort of political leaning publicly.

HighLine · 13-12-2015 8:29pm

Also seems like the PGA are looking to part ways with Trump... they are talking about moving the WGC-Cadillac away from Doral.

PGA Tour may move WGC-Cadillac event from Donald Trump's Doral

CMOTDibbler · 13-12-2015 9:32pm

Kingswood Rover wrote: »

Fruitcakes like him make me despair about humanity...i have nothing against Fruit or cakes by the way although i have to say not mad about honeydew melons or Marzipan.

There'll always be fruitcakes like him. The thing that causes despair is that so many other fruitcakes support him.

Kingswood Rover · 13-12-2015 10:39pm

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

There'll always be fruitcakes like him. The thing that causes despair is that so many other fruitcakes support him.

Agreed tolerance can be a hard road but in the long run it is the only road that gives us all a future, anyway back to golf did not know that Herr Trumpolinni owned Turnberry.

FixdePitchmark · 14-12-2015 1:36am

Kingswood Rover wrote: »

Agreed tolerance can be a hard road but in the long run it is the only road that gives us all a future, anyway back to golf did not know that Herr Trumpolinni owned Turnberry.

Yes, but tolerance is a two way street.

Suppression of an alternative view is not tolerance.

You need alternative views , to challenge the norm. Whilst Trump is being deliberately provocative, it still alters the political discourse ?

Has America overcooked the American dream ?
Can a country have an uncontrolled border ?
Has America let their manufacturing base go too much ?
Is there criminality in America from South and Central America ?

Whilst in our comfort here in europe, we can laugh at it - they are real and important questions to an American - I think we sometimes over emphasis our understanding of America here.

Would these question arise if the exteme didn't exist ?

I've often looked at a 16 handicap player take on 230 yards over water with a tight pin - and pull it off 1 in 50 times.

They challenge perception , reality and your own ideas - you need people like that now and again

Kingswood Rover · 14-12-2015 9:21am

Trump type views were the norm for the middle part of the last century this norm being enforced through the suppression of free speech by the state. We have not seen any suppression of these views as they have been widely reported in the media, the 2 way street is (relatively) open here in western Europe but it needs constant work and vigilance to keep it that way. The deep inequality that exists on our planet now being increasingly brought home to the poorer nations and peoples through mass and social media of the world may lead to even more bitterness, resentment and violence being directed against the "Rich North" i suppose when you think about it in terms of greater time we only got out of the caves a second ago and its gonna take time for a predatory species to turn into one that instinctively knows that being tolerant towards others within a greater moralistic social norm with agreed responsibilities is the only way this planet and boardsies of the future will be able to enjoy an aul game of golf,only on 9 hole courses though,remember we got to mind the planet as its the only decent one in our neck of the galactic woods.

BigChap1759 · 14-12-2015 10:56am

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Interesting stuff here.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/golf/donald-trumps-turnberry-golf-club-to-no-longer-host-the-open-tournament-amid-anger-over-a6771086.html

That's a real shame as it's definitely one of the most interesting Open venues IMO - totally understand why they may feel the need to remove it though given Trump's outlandish opinions.....

postitnote · 16-12-2015 11:10am

Donald Trump's legal challenge to a planned offshore wind farm has been rejected by the UK's Supreme Court.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-35106581

This is good news IMHO. I am both a supporter of offshore windfarms and a supporter of Trump not getting his own way.

Anatom · 16-12-2015 11:41am

postitnote wrote: »

Donald Trump's legal challenge to a planned offshore wind farm has been rejected by the UK's Supreme Court.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-35106581

This is good news IMHO. I am both a supporter of offshore windfarms and a supporter of Trump not getting his own way.

I agree. Even the language that the Trump Organisation uses in its response to the verdict says everything about the man - "The outcome demonstrates the foolish, small minded and parochial mentality which dominates the current Scottish government's dangerous experiment with wind energy."

He's becoming less of a joke now, and looking at some of his supporters in the last two days you'd have to say that many are becoming more and more uncomfortable with him.

Anyway, are there any plans afoot for anything similar in Trumpville in Doonbeg? Wasn't there a plan for a wind turbine(s) nearby at one stage? Maybe its time those plans were resurrected...?

postitnote · 16-12-2015 12:02pm

Maybe a compulsory purchase order and one of these?

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How he can talk about a small minded mentality when he's complaining about a view? Said without a hint of irony.

FixdePitchmark · 16-12-2015 6:22pm

Not a fan of Trump at all - but he is right that offshore wind is wrong and dangerous for the customer (you and me).

People love wind turbines as an idea - but are not too happy about Electricity prices increasing.

But as a venture capitalist , he should view that as an opportunity , wouldn't surprise me if he had money in wind turbines somehow.

Kevinmarkham · 16-12-2015 7:01pm

Anatom wrote: »

Anyway, are there any plans afoot for anything similar in Trumpville in Doonbeg? Wasn't there a plan for a wind turbine(s) nearby at one stage? Maybe its time those plans were resurrected...?

Nope, he did for those shortly after Doonbeg fell into his grubby mitts

postitnote wrote: »

How he can talk about a small minded mentality when he's complaining about a view? Said without a hint of irony.

Trump... irony... he wouldn't know irony if it came up and beat him, kicked him, punched him... but it would be fun to watch

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Not a fan of Trump at all - but he is right that offshore wind is wrong and dangerous for the customer (you and me).

You've lost me, Fix... 'wrong and dangerous'... in what way?

Anatom · 16-12-2015 7:09pm

Kevinmarkham wrote: »

You've lost me, Fix... 'wrong and dangerous'... in what way?

I'm wondering the same. I know of people living quite close (700 - 800 yards away) to a couple of turbines and there's no problem. Surely offshore ones are even safer and less intrusive?

Kingswood Rover · 16-12-2015 7:24pm

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Not a fan of Trump at all - but he is right that offshore wind is wrong and dangerous for the customer (you and me).

People love wind turbines as an idea - but are not too happy about Electricity prices increasing.

But as a venture capitalist , he should view that as an opportunity , wouldn't surprise me if he had money in wind turbines somehow.

offshore wind wrong and dangerous for the customer, surely you meant sailor and when the wind is in the opposite direct from where you want to go and there happens to be made rocks in the way.

You've Been Trumped

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