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Will Britain ever just piss off and get on with Brexit? -mod warning in OP (21/12)

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  • #52
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    Sure, why not throw in a bit of the aul sexism while we're at it?

    It is not sexism, it is scientific fact that women are more agreeable, meaning they are generally not as good at negotiating. If is one of the reasons for the "pay gap" aswell. There are things that women are better at and things that men are better at, its life, deal with it....

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3149680/

    "Replicating previous findings, women reported higher Big Five Extraversion, Agreeableness, and Neuroticism scores than men."


  • #53
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,548 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    It is not sexism, it is scientific fact that women are more agreeable, meaning they are generally not as good at negotiating. If is one of the reasons for the "pay gap" aswell. There are things that women are better at and things that men are better at, its life, deal with it....

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3149680/

    "Replicating previous findings, women reported higher Big Five Extraversion, Agreeableness, and Neuroticism scores than men."

    That's just a generalisation. Doesn't apply to every person and is frankly weak reasoning.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #54
    [Deleted User]
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    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    That's just a generalisation. Doesn't apply to every person and is frankly weak reasoning.

    Especially considering the personality traits required to rise through political ranks


  • #55
    KildareP
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,511 ✭✭✭KildareP


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    The EU are a disgrace, if it wasnt for them stalling, the Brits would be gone now
    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    one of the main reasons the British are still in the EU is because of their cuck prime minister.

    Sorry can you be a little clearer who is to blame here? The EU or the UK?


  • #56
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    That's just a generalisation. Doesn't apply to every person and is frankly weak reasoning.

    That is one study among hundreds. These traits can be observed in everyday life, it is indisputable. Women in general are more agreeable while men in general are more stoic. Im not sure how May rose through the ranks because she is a pushover unlike the strong female leaders mentioned in this thread.


  • #57
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    KildareP wrote: »
    Sorry can you be a little clearer who is to blame here? The EU or the UK?

    Both. The EU dont respect democracy and didnt want the British to leave. The Brits put a weak remainer in charge. The EU took advantage of Mays weakness. A stronger PM would have put their personal wishes aside and battled for Brexit.


  • #58
    KildareP
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,511 ✭✭✭KildareP


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Both. The EU dont respect democracy and didnt want the British to leave. The Brits put a weak remainer in charge. The EU took advantage of Mays weakness. A stronger PM would have put their personal wishes aside and battled for Brexit.

    Of course they don't want Britain to leave.
    But they're not making Britain stay either.


  • #59
    [Deleted User]
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    KildareP wrote: »
    Of course they don't want Britain to leave.
    But they're not making Britain stay either.

    Britain are the crowd who insisted on the UK wide backstop, in negotiations.
    Britain are the crowd crying about the UK wide backstop.

    EU is still at fault somehow...


  • #60
    Dytalus
    Registered Users Posts: 459 ✭✭Dytalus


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Both. The EU dont respect democracy and didnt want the British to leave. The Brits put a weak remainer in charge. The EU took advantage of Mays weakness. A stronger PM would have put their personal wishes aside and battled for Brexit.

    Can you clarify how, exactly, the EU forced May and the British government into their impossible triangle of goals?

    They want complete separation from the EU and control over their borders.
    They want no border in Ireland.
    They want no border down the Irish sea.

    They cannot have all three, they can only pick two. International law only allows for them choosing two, irrespective of the EU's wishes. This isn't a scenario the EU forced on them, it's one they chose for themselves.


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  • #61
    alchemist33
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,969 ✭✭✭✭alchemist33


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    I used to be pro EU by the way.

    I don't believe this for a second.


  • #62
    dudara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,518 ✭✭✭✭dudara


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    That is one study among hundreds. These traits can be observed in everyday life, it is indisputable. Women in general are more agreeable while men in general are more stoic. Im not sure how May rose through the ranks because she is a pushover unlike the strong female leaders mentioned in this thread.

    OK - that’s enough of that. Making sweeping generalisations about the sexes is not helping your argument. Stick to specifics.

    dudara


  • #63
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    Dytalus wrote: »
    Can you clarify how, exactly, the EU forced May and the British government into their impossible triangle of goals?

    I cannot say for sure. What I can say is that the current political class of both the EU and Britian do not want Brexit. Looking at the actions of both entities, it is clear they are both using stalling tactics.


  • #64
    Dytalus
    Registered Users Posts: 459 ✭✭Dytalus


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    I cannot say for sure. What I can say is that the current political class of both the EU and Britian do not want Brexit. Looking at the actions of both entities, it is clear they are both using stalling tactics.

    Both entities are stalling? You can't say how the EU is responsible, but they totally are because...they're evil or something.

    The EU has consistently asked the UK to decide what it wants. The UK has either not come up with a proper answer (wanting access to the Single Market...without being part of the Single Market), or not come up with an answer at all (the NI issue prior to the backstop). The EU, meanwhile, has never once shifted their goalposts of protecting the Single Market, and upholding the GFA. They've hit the furthest they are willing and able to go while protecting their own interests (as any entity should absolutely do) and can go no further without breaking some kind of treaty or agreement made with non-UK bodies.

    It's not the EU which has refused to sign a document they helped to write. It's not the EU which consistently demands impossible things. It's not the EU which has continuously delayed making a decision.

    This situation is in no way the EU's fault.


  • #65
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    Dytalus wrote: »
    This situation is in no way the EU's fault.

    If the EU are so perfect then why do the British want to leave? Why is there growing resentment towards the union? There are plenty of things the EU has done delay Brexit. For example the extortionate divorce bill, allowing an extension until October 31st, the blatant opposition to Brexit from top EU officials, I could go on and on.


  • #66
    lawred2
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    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    If the EU are so perfect then why do the British want to leave? Why is there growing resentment towards the union? There are plenty of things the EU has done delay Brexit. For example the extortionate divorce bill, allowing an extension until October 31st, the blatant opposition to Brexit from top EU officials, I could go on and on.

    please do


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  • #67
    Auguste Comte
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    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Both. The EU dont respect democracy and didnt want the British to leave. The Brits put a weak remainer in charge. The EU took advantage of Mays weakness. A stronger PM would have put their personal wishes aside and battled for Brexit.

    What exactly is it that the brits want from Europe in order for them to leave?

    The only thing about the whole thing that I'm sure of is that brexit means brexit..


  • #68
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    If the EU are so perfect then why do the British want to leave? Why is there growing resentment towards the union? There are plenty of things the EU has done delay Brexit. For example the extortionate divorce bill, allowing an extension until October 31st, the blatant opposition to Brexit from top EU officials, I could go on and on.

    Because deep in the English psyche there is a belief in English superiority and exceptionalism. This is especially prevalent in Tory party supporters.


  • #69
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Because deep in the English psyche there is a belief in English superiority and exceptionalism. This is especially prevalent in Tory party supporters.

    There is growing resentment towards the EU it is not just a British thing. It is happening in Italy, Greece, Poland, Hungary, France.


  • #70
    Kidchameleon
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    Auguste Comte wrote: »
    What exactly is it that the brits want from Europe in order for them to leave?

    The only thing about the whole thing that I'm sure of is that brexit means brexit..

    Thats the thing, the majority of Brits dont want amything from the EU, it is the political elites who are dragging their heals.


  • #71
    [Deleted User]
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    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    If the EU are so perfect then why do the British want to leave? Why is there growing resentment towards the union? There are plenty of things the EU has done delay Brexit. For example the extortionate divorce bill, allowing an extension until October 31st, the blatant opposition to Brexit from top EU officials, I could go on and on.
    • The extortionate divorce bill: The Pro-Rata of costings?
    • Allowing an extension until October 31st: Because Britain can not pass the WA, they insisted on, and asked for an extension?
    • The blatant opposition to Brexit from top EU officials: You expect them to want this? Yet the UK not being able to agree on an exit strategy is the delay, not matter what EU officials want

    Please do go on...


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  • #72
    source
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    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    If the EU are so perfect then why do the British want to leave? Why is there growing resentment towards the union?

    Graham Hughes's PUBCAST | Why Do Brits Think The EU Is Their Enemy:

    https://youtu.be/f5Ve7kbLoAo


  • #73
    Auguste Comte
    Registered Users Posts: 1,143 ✭✭✭Auguste Comte


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Thats the thing, the majority of Brits dont want amything from the EU, it is the political elites who are dragging their heals.

    What are you basing this opinion on?


  • #74
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    There is growing resentment towards the EU it is not just a British thing. It is happening in Italy, Greece, Poland, Hungary, France.

    All of those countries would vote Remain by a vast majority if a referendum were held tomorrow. In fact, support for the EU is growing in 26 of the 28 countries.


  • #75
    BarryD2
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    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    What I can say is that the current political class of both the EU and Britian do not want Brexit. Looking at the actions of both entities, it is clear they are both using stalling tactics.

    To which you can add big business in Britain. And he who pays the piper ultimately calls the tune.


  • #76
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    All of those countries would vote Remain by a vast majority if a referendum were held tomorrow. In fact, support for the EU is growing in 26 of the 28 countries.

    I said there was a growing resentment not a majority and I dont care what Europol surveys say thhey are complete bs


  • #77
    [Deleted User]
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    Balanadan wrote: »
    They're sending MEPs to Europe to pocket our money while turning their backs and acting the bollocks.

    The door is open, why are they taking so long to leave?

    Seeing as the UK actually contributes money to the European Union, I’d say the Brexit party MEPs are actually pocketing their own money, not Ireland’s.


  • #78
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    Auguste Comte wrote: »
    What are you basing this opinion on?

    Referendum results & politicians actions


  • #79
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,548 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    That is one study among hundreds. These traits can be observed in everyday life, it is indisputable. Women in general are more agreeable while men in general are more stoic. Im not sure how May rose through the ranks because she is a pushover unlike the strong female leaders mentioned in this thread.

    Specifics please. How is she a pushover?

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #80
    KildareP
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,511 ✭✭✭KildareP


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    allowing an extension until October 31st
    :p:p:p
    The absolute cheek of the EU to be accomodating!
    Instead they should have declined the extension and acted like the bullies the UK tell them they are!!!


  • #81
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    • The extortionate divorce bill: The Pro-Rata of costings?
    • Allowing an extension until October 31st: Because Britain can not pass the WA, they insisted on, and asked for an extension?
    • The blatant opposition to Brexit from top EU officials: You expect them to want this? Yet the UK not being able to agree on an exit strategy is the delay, not matter what EU officials want

    Please do go on...

    Ah come off it. The EU will do anything to keep the brits there. We can see from our own country that they do not care about the will of the people.


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  • #82
    Berserker
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    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    All of those countries would vote Remain by a vast majority if a referendum were held tomorrow. In fact, support for the EU is growing in 26 of the 28 countries.

    Based on what exactly? You do know that there are other countries who are not happy with the EU.


  • #83
    KildareP
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,511 ✭✭✭KildareP


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    I dont care what Europol surveys say thhey are complete bs
    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Referendum results & politicians actions

    You're making me very confused :(
    What surveys should we be using as reference and which should we be disregarding?


  • #84
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    Specifics please. How is she a pushover?

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  • #85
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,548 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    How about putting some effort into an actual argument?

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #86
    [Deleted User]
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    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    8b041e8241f0840d2cece131a724e0d4?width=650

    The kid's a comedian.


  • #87
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Ah come off it. The EU will do anything to keep the brits there. We can see from our own country that they do not care about the will of the people.

    Show, with examples, how I am incorrect please?


    You said that you could "go on"


  • #88
    Berserker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,046 ✭✭✭Berserker


    Auguste Comte wrote: »
    What exactly is it that the brits want from Europe in order for them to leave?

    The only thing about the whole thing that I'm sure of is that brexit means brexit..

    I'm a pro Brexit and I don't want anything from them. Most pro-Brexit people I know feel the same way. The politicians, both EU and British, are holding things up because they don't want to be the ones who pull the trigger. If Brexit is a disaster, it's the end of the British politicians, if it succeeds, the EU is in big trouble.


  • #89
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  • #90
    Stephen15
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    I'm sure the majority of people in Britain who voted for Brexit ie the majority are thinking we voted for Brexit why are the immigrants still here scrounging off our system. You can't have a remainer in Theresa May trying to negotiate a deal which she didn't even want in the first place.

    Despite voting for Brexit the UK still signed the UN migration pact. They need a true nationalist leader to be able to pull off Brexit someone like Salvini in Italy but they're getting what they deserve for continuing to vote for the Tories and Labour.


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  • #92
    ancapailldorcha
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    Berserker wrote: »
    I'm a pro Brexit and I don't want anything from them. Most pro-Brexit people I know feel the same way. The politicians, both EU and British, are holding things up because they don't want to be the ones who pull the trigger. If Brexit is a disaster, it's the end of the British politicians, if it succeeds, the EU is in big trouble.

    How would it succeed? Examples and specifics please.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #93
    kunst nugget
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    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Thread is going way off topic, look, one of the main reasons the British are still in the EU is because of their cuck prime minister.

    Yeah, the use of that one word is enough to disregard any empty argument you're going to come out with...


  • #94
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,457 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    source wrote: »
    Graham Hughes's PUBCAST | Why Do Brits Think The EU Is Their Enemy:

    https://youtu.be/f5Ve7kbLoAo

    Those headlines are incredible... :D

    It's just a pity such hilarious nonsense has such serious consequences. Plenty of mindless idiots incapable of critical thinking out there to swallow it up willingly.


  • #95
    Auguste Comte
    Registered Users Posts: 1,143 ✭✭✭Auguste Comte


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Referendum results & politicians actions

    48.1% of voters didn't want brexit at all, I don't think is fair to say that every single person who voted for Brexit don't want anything from Europe or support a no deal brexit, especially when you concider the way it was sold to them with falsehoods and lies.


  • #96
    Berserker
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Wrong, it's the end of the Tory/DUP stranglehold.

    For the time being but they'll be back. The alternative, Labour, are a sorry shower and they wont last long in government. The DUP has a strong identity, so they'll always be around. At an individual level, the politicians involved will be finished and that comes before country or the EU.


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  • #97
    joe40
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    Stephen15 wrote: »
    I'm sure the majority of people in Britain who voted for Brexit ie the majority are thinking we voted for Brexit why are the immigrants still here scrounging off our system. You can't have a remainer in Theresa May trying to negotiate a deal which she didn't even want in the first place.

    Despite voting for Brexit the UK still signed the UN migration pact. They need a true nationalist leader to be able to pull off Brexit someone like Salvini in Italy but they're getting what they deserve for continuing to vote for the Tories and Labour.

    What immigrants would that be. EU immigrants that are still in Britain because Britain wants the same rights for their citizens in the EU.
    Or non EU immigrants which have nothing to do with Brexit.
    It is non sensical arguments like this which caused Brexit in the first place.
    I don't mind a different opinion but one based on facts


  • #98
    Berserker
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    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    How would it succeed? Examples and specifics please.

    You do realise that there are a number of countries around the world who are not in the EU and they are doing very well for themselves? The UK can sign new trade deals, the US, Canada & Aus are standing in the wings already and every country in the world will want to do business with them given the size of their economy. Take a look at the non-EU countries in central Europe and Scandanavia, as examples. What do you make of them?


  • #99
    ancapailldorcha
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    Berserker wrote: »
    You do realise that there are a number of countries around the world who are not in the EU and they are doing very well for themselves? The UK can sign new trade deals, the US, Canada & Aus are standing in the wings already and every country in the world will want to do business with them given the size of their economy. Take a look at the non-EU countries in central Europe and Scandanavia, as examples. What do you make of them?

    You mean Norway which is in the Single Market and Customs union? Excellent example.

    US, Canada and Australia are not standing in the wings. That's simply not true.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #100
    joe40
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    Berserker wrote: »
    You do realise that there are a number of countries around the world who are not in the EU and they are doing very well for themselves? The UK can sign new trade deals, the US, Canada & Aus are standing in the wings already and every country in the world will want to do business with them given the size of their economy. Take a look at the non-EU countries in central Europe and Scandanavia, as examples. What do you make of them?

    The most important trade deal the British will need to negotiate post Brexit is with the EU their major trading partner.
    They already trade with US and Canada as part of EU trade deals. Why would you imagine they will get better conditions now. They will be a much smaller entity.


  • #101
    Popeleo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 422 ✭✭Popeleo


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    You mean Norway which is in the Single Market and Customs union? Excellent example.

    US, Canada and Australia are not standing in the wings. That's simply not true.

    Maybe he meant Switzerland, Iceland or Liechtenstein. But they are all in the EEA along with Norway, so de facto in the Single Market.


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