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25-01-2018, 19:34   #16
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Pity DB are still allowed claim the changes, it really should read: NTA, in conjunction with the DB and Dublin City Council (DCC)

Any mindset that DB are still running the show needs to be removed from public documentation at this stage
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25-01-2018, 19:50   #17
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Pity DB are still allowed claim the changes, it really should read: NTA, in conjunction with the DB and Dublin City Council (DCC)
That's just how Dublin Bus has wrote it, the NTA said in their original statement like you said it should read whereas no doubt Dublin City Council will say it is them working in partnership with other parties.
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Good to see Tara Street being used. Although it was an unofficial cut through often enough when CG was choked. It is a no brainer and I mentioned this route before in an ancient post!

Surely there is no real need for any bus to go left at the bottom of Dawson Street anymore? Should go right and follow the route for the 25a etc. with a new right turn allowed on OCS. Oh dear that might be a problem!, but could help with proper traffic light sequencing.

I am not sure how it will work on the North/South axis. Same for the 25a and other routes. Does anyone know? Seems to apply only to South/North.

It appears to me that many are affected on the North/South run via Bachelor's Walk to Nassau Street and beyond via CGreen.
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25-01-2018, 21:48   #19
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So bus passengers are going to be sent all over the world with unknown impacts on their journey time, while taxis can continue to transport one or two passengers along their existing routes.

Well done everyone.
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25-01-2018, 21:55   #20
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The left turn from Tara St to Burgh Quay in the evening rush hour is going to be fun.
Yep - some of the buses mentioned go that way, but it's already mostly gridlocked. Now there's going to be lots more buses going that way, and that left turn is already a bit of a disaster - all it takes is one badly placed car or taxi to block it.

I can see a mile long queue of buses down Pearse Street on day 1. No doubt some planner will express surprise at how this could have happened.
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So bus passengers are going to be sent all over the world with unknown impacts on their journey time, while taxis can continue to transport one or two passengers along their existing routes.

Well done everyone.
While I don't necessarily support taxis using College Green these changes are happening due to the introduction of the Luas because only so many buses can use College at a time. The main issue here is buses obstructing one another ie a traffic due to buses now I would support a ban on taxis but we have to curb the numbers of buses on College Green in order for buses and the Luas to all work simultaneously.

Also bus passengers aren't being discomodded due these changes as no stops are being omitted journey time will likely be the very the very same if not then they were before now.
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but we have to curb the numbers of buses on College Green in order for buses and the Luas to all work simultaneously.
They could have started by banning taxis.
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Also bus passengers aren't being discomodded due these changes as no stops are being omitted journey time will likely be the very the very same if not then they were before now.
You don't know that - lots more buses will now be sent down Tara street and a tight left turn onto Burgh quay with no idea what the impact will be on journey times. Meanwhile taxis can continue to use College Green unimpeded.
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Be under no doubt that when the draconian restrictions come in this will be used as an excuse "well we tried this and it didnt work "
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Would a double bus lane on Burgh Quay help the dreaded tight left turn from Tara Street? Might be required since some provincial bus services stop there anyway at the moment.

I am presuming there will be a bus lane on TS anyway.
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Would a double bus lane on Burgh Quay help the dreaded tight left turn from Tara Street? Might be required since some provincial bus services stop there anyway at the moment.
It needs a double bus lane or wide turning circle, and some sort of physical barrier to stop idiots in cars/taxis blocking the turn.
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When the buses go down Tara street to avoid Westmoreland St they go over the bridge, turn left and then come back over the Rosie Hackett bridge to return to the south quays.

They're hardly going to try turn left at the bottom of Tara Street are they? If that's the case then it looks like my commute home is about to become as bad as my commute to work or worse!
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They could have started by banning taxis.

You don't know that - lots more buses will now be sent down Tara street and a tight left turn onto Burgh quay with no idea what the impact will be on journey times. Meanwhile taxis can continue to use College Green unimpeded.
But the problem is buses obstruct other buses because of their large size making it difficult for buses to manoeuvre around each other taxis are only small meaning buses can easily manoeuvre around them. I'm not disagreeing with you taxi do cause problems in the city centre and imped on buses but buses also cause issues.

If you are going to suggest curbing taxis on College Green I would agree with you and support it but buses also have to be curbed also. If the Luas is going to be a success and the city is going to become a more pedestrian and public transport user friendly place then the sheer amount of buses all choked up at the one location is going to have to be reduced.

I'm not throwing digs but a lot of people seem to think that DB buses should be given the universal right to drive down what ever street they want and that's the system that works best which is not the case as had been since long before the Luas CC was built. What we need are bus routes which the most logical and efficient which serve different location of the city centre rather than all meeting the one point like big bowl of spaghetti.
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Would a double bus lane on Burgh Quay help the dreaded tight left turn from Tara Street? Might be required since some provincial bus services stop there anyway at the moment.

I am presuming there will be a bus lane on TS anyway.
DCC already showed they're too weak to actually do that, as it was proposed and abandoned by them before:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/envi...65820?mode=amp
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I walk over the Rosie Hackett bridge walking home (faster than the bus now) - cannot see how buses going down Tara St is going to help as the quays are jammers at 5.30 with everyone trying to squeeze through the junction (usually ending with cars blocking the buses/luas coming over the bridge, no one knows what a yellow box is apparently)
All it's going to do is move some of the gridlock away but still end up with buses lined up trying to get out of the city
Should be the taxis/cars made to go that way, on Pearce St there are far too many taxis blocking the way - coming home today one idiot decide to go thru the lights knowing he would be stuck on the luas tracks (yellow box again). Why isn't there a gard there fining all these cars ignoring the rules of the road - bet they would be quick to stop it then.
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Good to see Tara Street being used. Although it was an unofficial cut through often enough when CG was choked. It is a no brainer and I mentioned this route before in an ancient post!
Streetview of Tara St from April 2017 even catches a 25a & 39a using this route!
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