Lissadell -end of the struggle?

tipptom wrote: »

I would definatly agree with you about people going right up to the house,I just think it would have been good all round if they had went to mediation and compromised on areas like that and it could have been settled with goodwill all round.

Presumably some discourse took place between the parties before the Walsh - Cassidy family headed to the high court?
Is anyone in a position to fill us in on this?
The family may have decided, rightly in my opinion, that the level of law enforcement in Ireland is so piss poor that they had to take more effective action.
A work colleague of mine used to come in bleary eyed every morning having been kept awake by go-karters until the early hours.
When she rang the Garda the response was, "What do you want us to do about it".

Curly Judge wrote: »

Presumably some discourse took place between the parties before the Walsh - Cassidy family headed to the high court?
Is anyone in a position to fill us in on this?
The family may have decided, rightly in my opinion, that the level of law enforcement in Ireland is so piss poor that they had to take more effective action.
A work colleague of mine used to come in bleary eyed every morning having been kept awake by go-karters until the early hours.
When she rang the Garda the response was, "What do you want us to do about it".

As far as I'm aware, efforts at mediation were refused by the owners who instigated legal proceedings instead. I think most locals got annoyed as a result of this decision.
The initial closure of part of the main avenue past the house was done overnight and this was brought to a local Councillor. He took the matter up with the CoCo for clarification, and it went from there.
While that Councillor is now castigated by many keyboard warriors, I think that's what Councillors are elected to do. Represent people who contact them!
The issue with 'boy racers' is a national one on all roads, both main carriageways and rural small lanes, and in fairness to the Gardai, it's impossible to be everywhere.
I believe if they met with the Council, a decision to close to all but private traffic, the part of the avenue that leads right around the house would have been accepted by 99% of the locals. But there's always the 1%!
Closing the whole operation and blaming the Council wasn't a very wise decision when they then opened for the prerequisite minimum time to claim tax breaks. This was seen as very hollow by the majority of locals.
There were, without doubt, mistakes made by both sides but that's in the past now.
Just to clarify one more point, I have never been involved with either side in this unfortunate episode! I merely put forward my opinions and the story as I know it. I asked one poster on here if he/she was a local, because in cases like this you need local knowledge rather than depend on media reports for 'facts'!

Ham Sambo wrote: »

@red sean. No disrespect to your good self but you appear to be of the opinion that everybody living in North Sligo were backing this so called 'Lissadell Action Group', In fact nothing could be further from the truth! 39 people lost their jobs because of a couple of narrow minded 'locals' who resented a 'blow-in' coming into the area who was willing to invest millions of euros on their doorstep, and what did these handful of begrudgers do... kick him when he is down,

I remember the infamous Bona saying that the Irish guy feels more comfortable and happy when his neighbour hasn't an arse in his pants, and that our cousins in the states have a better outlook in life.. for instance.. Irish guy sees a rich guy driving down the road in a rolls Royce and says..some day I am going to get that basta*d, while his American cousin sees a rich guy drive down the road in a Rolls Royce and says.. some day I'm gonna be like him.
Narrow-minded begrudgery from narrow-minded people who have 'landlordism' still stuck in their throats, time to move on Sean and leave the past behind.

Totally incorrect.Read again what I said in the last paragraph!
I merely stated fact, which you apparently don't want to read.
As I said, there was no need for anyone to lose their jobs seeing as the estate opened every Sept/Oct. It could have been kept open all the time and the objectors may then have been a whole lot less. I don't know how many were in the "action group", but a lot not involved in it had very strong opinions also.
The new owners were warmly welcomed by everybody locally prior to this happening, so who they are or where they're from was irrelevent to everyone.

Read my post again to see I had no part whatsoever in supporting either side.

Sulla Felix wrote: »

Keeping it open on a limited basis was probably a financial decision. I run a small business ( not in sligo! ) and the public liability insurance on my modest premises just about makes me cry. I can only imagine what the bill for an extensive property with vehicular traffic would be. I know there are tax implications as well butnot sure on details of that. I have the impression that once the tax exemption lapses its difficult to reclaim?

This.

From Trinity News; "it would be virtually impossible for the estate to operate as a historic house or indeed as a private home if public rights of way were established. Insurance would not be granted for health and safety reasons"

I hope the house reopens to the public and it's a shame Sligo co co squandered so much tax payers € to try and make some sort of political point. I think part of the problem comes down to a nasty attitude "blow ins" and their money. Look at Tipptoms posts on the subject. Bonkers.

tipptom wrote: »

I said they came in knowing full well the situation at Lissadell and decided to ride roughshod over any rights that was there,refused to talk or to any compromise or mediation and when they lost their case they threw their toys out of the pram and put up barbed wire and fences across the area.

I presume you have evidence for all this?

.


a lot of anecdotal bulls..t being bandied about in here and one or two posters in danger of stepping in their own mess as they backtrack.

I would suggest that anyone not familiar with the FACTS of the case read the judgement provided:

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/court-rules-in-favour-of-lissadell-owners-in-right-of-way-case-1.1590985

in summary - in the run up to local elections in Dec 2008, things not progressing quickly enough for local councillor Lenonard on the issue of public rights of way, so motion put down and adopted at council meeting, declaring rights of way through Lissadell estate.
the only way to have this extinguished is to go to court and get a declaration that the rights of way do not exist - which is what was done by the owners.


.

John_Rambo wrote: »

I'm talking about your rants, your new money references and your obvious hatred towards people you don't know and a situation you obviously know nothing about.



Don't know what you're on about. Bonkers.

There is a cabal on this thread who just want to bully anyone from posting who do not agree with the Walshe/Cassidys and against the people who used their democractic elected officals and because of this the whole population of Sligo has been called begrudgers,jealous and hatred of the family.

Now show me where I have said I have hated the family,?
I stand by everything I have said that they acted like vulgar new money in the way they tried to bully the local people in to submission and take advantage of laws that the government are afraid to bring in to line with every other civilised country because of fear of upsetting their core supporters,rich people,farmers and speculators and every cent was worth it in defending local people and that other groups may take some positivity from this that there is somebody to defend them from rich people trampling all over them.

tipptom wrote: »

I think if they could have stopped access to the house and private family areas and kept traffic out of the other areas all together, with the council taking on the financial burden of securing it with was needed to achieve this and allowed the local people walking their dogs and whatever, who would be an added eyes and ears around the area would have been a good compromise and if the council wouldn't have agreed to that,well then they deserved what they got in court.

I'm outta here.

kevkev56 wrote: »

Commendations to Sligo County Council for

Refusing to spend 4 million on the property and then, in a fit of jealous pettiness, spends 10 million of tax payers money trying to ruin it for the new owners in doing so getting the whole place shut down to the public?

John B Keane would be fascinated to see life imitating his art at such an official level.

Great job.

sligoblue wrote: »

All of our homes are built on land that used to be green fields, no way would I allow someone walk in the front gate of my house, pass the side of it and out the back garden just because people used to walk there a hundred years ago.

yea we own a farm in sligo & was having a rant in college to one of the lads in the course one day after some hillwalkers damaged fence & sheep got out. was saying a farm is private property (freehold/leasehold/etc) same as any house, doesnt matter if its scenic whatever excuse. without a right of way or consent you are trespassing same as if i went walking in your garden. he couldnt understand the premise! scary thing is i did architecture in college....

if people want to moan about consent then have a look at the america lawsuit culture that has been seeping in and the massive insurance costs. (kevkev) also didnt a lot of our patriots fight for us to have a right to own our own land and distribute it as we please... re the penal laws!

what boggles the mind is as rambo said 2 posts ago, sligo coco wouldnt pay for the house (so the public had their chance! this is where the anger should be) but would spend as much on a fools errand which someone in the planning department should have been able to tell them... and most likely did however counsellors & political footballs...

Curly Judge wrote: »

The courts have ruled that Sligo Co. Co. must pay all of their own costs and 75% of the owners costs.
What's the betting on Sligo Co.Co. declaring bankruptcy?

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/council-faces-multi-million-euro-bill-after-lissadell-court-ruling-1.1747093

Cue local property tax skyrocketing in 2015 for us Sligonians. And all because of one gobshíte.

Sulla Felix wrote: »

Wonder what logic arrived at 75%? Four routes under dispute, council was vindicated (kind of) on one, so was 25% right or something?

Maybe the they didn't want to rub Sligo Co Co's nose too deeply in the doodah?.... in case they'd drown completely?

I wonder which Carribean island the sellers are sitting on right now laughing their bollix off...

partyguinness wrote: »

I wonder which Carribean island the sellers are sitting on right now laughing their bollix off...

On a similar-sized one to the one the lawyers are sitting on I'd have thought......:D

Looks like the Big House is back on the tourist map?
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/lissadell-house-to-regain-status-as-a-tourist-hotspot-30354925.html

I see Perry is all over it like a rash, I'd be doubtful he had anything to do with the Walshes decision.

Delighted the councils complete cock-up hasn't ruined the chance of the house staying open after all.

I believe none other than an Taoiseach is appearing at the big event.