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Weston Airport

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  • #102
    NobodyImportant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 585 ✭✭✭NobodyImportant


    Looking back through the thread, the same problems happen at motor racing circuits here and abroad. The circuits have been around for decades, houses crop up, people move in, AND THEN COMPLAIN about the noise.

    Look at the Nurburgring in Germany, built in 1927 and blow-ins complain about the noise when racing is on. Its one of the biggest attractions in that part of Germany and facilitates thousands of jobs. Same at Mondello Park in Kildare, same in circuits all over the UK too.


  • #103
    Xpro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 900 ✭✭✭Xpro


    Weston Today:
    Flightwise 172 EI-OFM
    NFC 172RG EI-FII
    DA42 G-DSKY

    64f8rl.jpg

    219av4z.jpg

    2jd258z.jpg

    119400k.jpg

    r9lvef.jpg

    177d45.jpg


  • #104
    Su Campu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭Su Campu


    Here's a video I shot last Saturday when the Chipmunks were going up for a TV shoot. Maule EI-GER was the camera plane.

    I shot, edited and uploaded it with my phone so excuse the poor quality (aswell as some poorly timed titles - they were correct before I uploaded!).

    They first did a takeoff for the benefit of the camera van racing along the taxiway to the right, then the Maule took off and came around to get the aerial shot of the two taking off.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFEiZjqfXgQ


  • #105
    Kenny2012
    Registered Users Posts: 1,349 ✭✭✭Kenny2012


    Just the one visitor today

    N404CZ Citation 510 Cessna Aircraft Co UK Demo Aircraft

    Picture
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/namcys11/7684745072

    Ken


  • #106
    2011abc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,705 ✭✭✭2011abc


    So is it winding down completely there or what?Anyone knows?


  • #107
    Quebec Delta Mike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 119 ✭✭Quebec Delta Mike


    Hey 2011abc, are you just trying to wind people up?

    If your "relatives" visited today they would find the same conditions, with gale force winds, squally showers, hardly anyone wants to fly in that! So, it looks quiet, except for the birds feeding on the newly cut grass!!

    Weston is not "winding down", sure it needs more business, but who doesn't?
    No buyer yet, but that's a work in progress.

    QDM.


  • #108
    Xpro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 900 ✭✭✭Xpro


    Any news on the sale of Weston?

    I believe it is sold??


  • #109
    lufties
    Registered Users Posts: 3,507 ✭✭✭lufties


    wouldnt it be great to make a small commercial regional airport out of it, for atr, dash 8 and perhaps 737s, perfectly situated..no hassle of dublin airport, and of course avoids the north side :-D (joke of course)


  • #110
    urajoke
    Closed Accounts Posts: 722 ✭✭✭urajoke


    lufties wrote: »
    wouldnt it be great to make a small commercial regional airport out of it, for atr, dash 8 and perhaps 737s, perfectly situated..no hassle of dublin airport, and of course avoids the north side :-D (joke of course)

    Will never happen and it wouldn't be considered a "regional airport". Any ILS approach would mean major delays into Dublin for a start.


  • #111
    LeftBase
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 743 ✭✭✭LeftBase


    lufties wrote: »
    wouldnt it be great to make a small commercial regional airport out of it, for atr, dash 8 and perhaps 737s, perfectly situated..no hassle of dublin airport, and of course avoids the north side :-D (joke of course)

    That would be very unrealistic indeed.

    An ILS to 25 would mean running with or across the area of the TULSO transition to ILS 28 for DUB. Weston is about 9 miles from DUB and regional Tprops/jets would cause severe traffic congestion in the Dublin Control Zone. Instrument approaches to 07 at Weston with infringe on the R15/16 at BAL and seriously piss off the military on a regular basis.

    The biggest reasons(apart from all the above snags, which in truth could be overcome in the will was there) are the nimbys that infest the Leixlip/Celbridge area. They get their knickers in a twist over C152s flying over their houses at 500ft.....can you imagine the wobbly they would throw over an atr, Regional Jet or god forbid a 737 coming over on a 3 degree glide!!:pac:
    It would be great to sit back and watch but it is not realistic.

    Also from a sentimental point of view it would ruin Weston as a GA field. Everybody would be hassled and hurried by the IFR traffic entering the zone and it would mess up the largely laid back(apart from a recent addition I discovered) style of ATC and general flying.

    It's aint happening anyhow so.....yanno!:cool:


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  • #112
    urajoke
    Closed Accounts Posts: 722 ✭✭✭urajoke


    LeftBase wrote: »
    That would be very unrealistic indeed.

    An ILS to 25 would mean running with or across the area of the TULSO transition to ILS 28 for DUB.

    As of the 13th it will be called SORIN and an ILS to 25 would cross O/H Dublin so would effectively shut down Dublin.


  • #113
    LeftBase
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 743 ✭✭✭LeftBase


    urajoke wrote: »
    As of the 13th it will be called SORIN and an ILS to 25 would cross O/H Dublin so would effectively shut down Dublin.

    I'm not sure it would have to cross overhead Dublin. Dublin is 9 or so NM from Weston. You could turn tprop aircraft on to a 5 mile final without much hassle I'd imagine. But it would be an ATC nightmare and given Dublin ATS's love of doing just as much as they have to do I cant see it happening.

    Nimbys are still the major issue however!


  • #114
    FWVT
    Closed Accounts Posts: 922 ✭✭✭FWVT


    I don't think we'd be talking too much traffic though. A few flights a day at most.

    It would be interesting though in say a stiff northwesterly with 34 in use at DUB and 25 at WST. Similarly with 10 and 07. One of the Weston ATCs would be getting even more tetchy than he normally is on a good day!


  • #115
    Quebec Delta Mike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 119 ✭✭Quebec Delta Mike


    Hi folks,

    So that's two digs at ATC Weston in the one thread...

    firstly from "Leftbase"..
    Everybody would be hassled and hurried by the IFR traffic entering the zone and it would mess up the largely laid back(apart from a recent addition I discovered) style of ATC and general flying.
    then from "FWVT"...
    One of the Weston ATCs would be getting even more tetchy than he normally is on a good day!
    So, what's the problem ladies...? :cool:

    QDM


  • #116
    Bearcat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,326 ✭✭✭Bearcat


    Quebec Delta Mike wrote: »
    Hi folks,

    So that's two digs at ATC Weston in the one thread...

    firstly from "Leftbase"..

    then from "FWVT"...

    So, what's the problem ladies...? :cool:

    QDM

    Mirror mirror on the wall......


  • #117
    Quebec Delta Mike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 119 ✭✭Quebec Delta Mike


    Mirror mirror on the wall......

    What?...no discussion, how predictable!

    QDM.


  • #118
    LeftBase
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 743 ✭✭✭LeftBase


    Quebec Delta Mike wrote: »
    Hi folks,

    So that's two digs at ATC Weston in the one thread...

    firstly from "Leftbase"..

    then from "FWVT"...

    So, what's the problem ladies...? :cool:

    QDM

    Weston's ATC is amongst the nicest I've come across in flying, however there are some days when they have a little bit of a groan or that direct to Leftbase(some product placement there) to 07 is denied!;)

    There's also the days when you dont get a reply until you're reaching for the 7600!:D


  • #119
    FWVT
    Closed Accounts Posts: 922 ✭✭✭FWVT


    Quebec Delta Mike wrote: »
    Hi folks,

    So that's two digs at ATC Weston in the one thread...

    firstly from "Leftbase"..

    then from "FWVT"...

    So, what's the problem ladies...? :cool:

    QDM

    No problem most days, only when there are more than two in the circuit and a particular controller is on!


  • #120
    Quebec Delta Mike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 119 ✭✭Quebec Delta Mike


    See PMs ....:D


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  • #121
    urajoke
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    LeftBase wrote: »
    I'm not sure it would have to cross overhead Dublin. Dublin is 9 or so NM from Weston. You could turn tprop aircraft on to a 5 mile final without much hassle I'd imagine.

    Good luck with that you are giving ATC an error margin of 1nm max to maintain separation with Dublin departures. In fact you are still clogging up Dublin as it may be 7-9nm from Dublin in a straight line but on the diagonal its only 5-6nm from the centerline of the 10 approach.
    LeftBase wrote: »
    But it would be an ATC nightmare and given Dublin ATS's love of doing just as much as they have to do I cant see it happening.

    Not sure what you are getting at with this comment please expand. Remember from your side of the mic you have your SOP's and Procedures but from ours we have our own Procedures and MAT's and LOA's, so I rarely step across the line of my knowledge and have a go, so I would hope that your misgivings are only because you don't understand our requirements. Its amazing the number of times we get asked X,Y and Z by a pilot because they have very little spacial awareness as they only have ONE freq and TCAS to give them the picture without realising that there is 15 frequencies and 9 (+3 FIR) sectors in and around Dublin that have to dealt with and regulated.

    So your "doing just as much as they have to do" may be a reflection of what is actually able to be done within the LAW's and Procedures that DATCC have to follow.


  • #122
    LeftBase
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 743 ✭✭✭LeftBase


    urajoke wrote: »
    Good luck with that you are giving ATC an error margin of 1nm max to maintain separation with Dublin departures. In fact you are still clogging up Dublin as it may be 7-9nm from Dublin in a straight line but on the diagonal its only 5-6nm from the centerline of the 10 approach.

    Well you said overhead. I doubt traffic would be going overhead dublin to get into weston. I dont dispute the conflict in the approach paths


    Not sure what you are getting at with this comment please expand. Remember from your side of the mic you have your SOP's and Procedures but from ours we have our own Procedures and MAT's and LOA's, so I rarely step across the line of my knowledge and have a go, so I would hope that your misgivings are only because you don't understand our requirements. Its amazing the number of times we get asked X,Y and Z by a pilot because they have very little spacial awareness as they only have ONE freq and TCAS to give them the picture without realising that there is 15 frequencies and 9 (+3 FIR) sectors in and around Dublin that have to dealt with and regulated.

    So your "doing just as much as they have to do" may be a reflection of what is actually able to be done within the LAW's and Procedures that DATCC have to follow.

    In my experience(and I say this as my own opinion) Dublin controllers can be a little bit reluctant to help you out. When I was doing my MEIR training Dublin cleared us direct from a position in the north east to RSH NDB. This took us through the EID1 which notams said were active. We pointed this out and were met with a rather sarcastic unhelpful tone and told to hold where we were before being vectored elsewhere. They also got a temper on when we didnt want to fly thorough rough weather they tried to vector us through.


  • #123
    Bearcat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,326 ✭✭✭Bearcat


    Quebec Delta Mike wrote: »
    What?...no discussion, how predictable!

    QDM.

    Sorry couldn't resist it..... 'twas a wind up. I have had no dealings in recent times with ATC EIWT but previous it was always courteous and professional.


  • #124
    the beerhunter
    Registered Users Posts: 119 ✭✭the beerhunter


    LeftBase wrote: »
    In my experience(and I say this as my own opinion) Dublin controllers can be a little bit reluctant to help you out. When I was doing my MEIR training Dublin cleared us direct from a position in the north east to RSH NDB. This took us through the EID1 which notams said were active. We pointed this out and were met with a rather sarcastic unhelpful tone and told to hold where we were before being vectored elsewhere. They also got a temper on when we didnt want to fly thorough rough weather they tried to vector us through.

    was this on a single day? there are some folk more enthusiastic (or less) than others. i take extreme offence at being tarred with the above brush, hope it was a single individual, and would therefore be disappointed that you think all 100-ish of us are the same. there's an airspace change and a rake of new procedures coming in on december 13 and many of us are unhappy that our flexibility to creatively facilitate traffic is being *reduced*.


  • #125
    lufties
    Registered Users Posts: 3,507 ✭✭✭lufties


    the beerhunter wrote: »

    was this on a single day? there are some folk more enthusiastic (or less) than others. i take extreme offence at being tarred with the above brush, hope it was a single individual, and would therefore be disappointed that you think all 100-ish of us are the same. there's an airspace change and a rake of new procedures coming in on december 13 and many of us are unhappy that our flexibility to creatively facilitate traffic is being *reduced*.

    Sorry to go off topic, I often wondered about doing atc, as I understand it's very hard to get into but seems very interesting but stressful. Might apply the next time the iaa recruit. Might be too old though at 31. I'm currently working as a licensed engineer.


  • #126
    emo72
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,318 ✭✭✭emo72


    the lucan gazette running an article today that nama have sold it. nothing surprising there so.


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  • #127
    Xpro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 900 ✭✭✭Xpro


    emo72 wrote: »
    the lucan gazette running an article today that nama have sold it. nothing surprising there so.
    Any mention on the buyer??


  • #128
    emo72
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,318 ✭✭✭emo72


    Xpro wrote: »
    Any mention on the buyer??

    none. just says someone who wants to keep it going as a going concern.


  • #129
    Xpro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 900 ✭✭✭Xpro


    emo72 wrote: »

    none. just says someone who wants to keep it going as a going concern.

    Just reading now. Thanks

    http://www.gazettegroup.com/category/news/news-lucan/


  • #130
    Kenny2012
    Registered Users Posts: 1,349 ✭✭✭Kenny2012


    Log for Weston 10/2/2013

    G-IMEA Beech 200 Moses Magrabi
    M-HARP PC-12 Harpin Ltd
    N412MW PC-12 Aircraft Guaranty Corp

    Pictures
    M-HARP http://flic.kr/p/dTNipU
    N412MW http://flic.kr/p/dTGBeB


  • #131
    Davidth88
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    This was reported in the Irish Times this morning

    A Galway-based civil engineering and building firm has purchased Weston Executive Airport near Lucan in west Dublin for more than €3.5 million.


    Full article here


    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/finance/2013/0213/1224329981356.html


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  • #132
    logie101
    Registered Users Posts: 449 ✭✭logie101


    Davidth88 wrote: »
    This was reported in the Irish Times this morning

    A Galway-based civil engineering and building firm has purchased Weston Executive Airport near Lucan in west Dublin for more than €3.5 million.


    Full article here


    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/finance/2013/0213/1224329981356.html
    Interesting, I suspect they are buying it as part of their land bank. Maintain the airport for now and when times pick up they will build on it.


  • #133
    Xpro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 900 ✭✭✭Xpro


    logie101 wrote: »
    Interesting, I suspect they are buying it as part of their land bank. Maintain the airport for now and when times pick up they will build on it.
    I believe they also own galway airport if not mistaken


  • #134
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Xpro wrote: »
    I believe they also own galway airport if not mistaken
    Galway Chamber of Commerce own the airport I believe (perhaps jointly with Aer Arann and others)


  • #135
    boboldpilot
    Closed Accounts Posts: 52 ✭✭boboldpilot


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Galway Chamber of Commerce own the airport I believe (perhaps jointly with Aer Arann and others)
    No they are sole owners. Conneely's company may well be a member of the Chamber of Commerce though.

    Galway airport isn't going to be sold just yet and won't be closed anytime soon. They've just been funded by the local councils and central government.


  • #136
    Quebec Delta Mike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 119 ✭✭Quebec Delta Mike


    Apart from the first post today...does anyone have any "facts" to discuss?
    The rumor mill is spinning furiously again.....

    QDM.


  • #137
    emo72
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,318 ✭✭✭emo72


    Quebec Delta Mike wrote: »
    Apart from the first post today...does anyone have any "facts" to discuss?
    The rumor mill is spinning furiously again.....

    QDM.

    well youve obviously heard a few rumours, care to share;)


  • #138
    Quebec Delta Mike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 119 ✭✭Quebec Delta Mike


    Sorry Emo72, I don't do "rumours".
    You can find out all you want about the new owners of Weston Airport here...http://www.conneelybuilders.com/
    If you want to know what their plans are, I advise that you ring them, their number is listed clearly on the website.

    Or..you could wait for a press statement from them, as one should be due soon, as new owners they will want to make a good first impression.

    Or..you could just wait a short while until the "concerned" citizens of Lucan/Leixlip get on their high horses, as surely they are about to, and start once again making noises through their "representatives"...about whatever they usually object to about aviation businesses at Weston.
    I think they are in for a surprise though, the new owners are a world away in business style, from previous ones.

    For now, I believe the future is promising, and hopefully Weston will return to it's former busy profile, both in Training and Executive/Private aviation. Watch this space, as they say.

    QDM


  • #139
    Bykovo Chernoye Monino
    Registered Users Posts: 15 ✭Bykovo Chernoye Monino


    Xpro wrote: »
    I believe they also own galway airport if not mistaken

    Mistaken !


  • #140
    [Deleted User]
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    Xpro wrote: »
    I believe they also own galway airport if not mistaken
    Taken from elsewhere - no mention of Conneely Builders
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=83270937#post83270937
    Robbo wrote: »
    Based on an old CRO return which covers up to September 2010:
    • Galway Chamber of Commerce: 581,351 Shares
    • Thomas McDonagh & Sons Ltd 4,000 Shares
    • Stephen Faller Ltd 2,500 Shares
    • Shields Solicitors 200 Shares
    • Horan & Sons 200 Shares
    • Crown Equipment Corporation 30,000 Shares
    • Nilands Ltd 500 Shares
    • Royal Tara China 2,000 Shares
    • Aer Arann Teoranta 10,000 Shares
    • O'Connor TV Ltd 1,000 Shares
    • McCambridges Ltd 2,500 Shares
    • The Treasure Chest 2,000 Shares
    • Ardilaun House Hotel 1,250 Shares
    • Galway Corporation 7,500 Shares
    • Galway County Council 7,500 Shares
    • Peter Allen 200 Shares
    • Antony Ryan Ltd 1,250 Shares


  • #141
    airbusa320
    Registered Users Posts: 425 ✭✭airbusa320


    http://www.blueskyexecutiveaviation.co.uk/issue_215/Dublin_Weston_Airport_rebrand.htm


    Looks like the new owners are going to rebrand weston as Dublin weston ?


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  • #142
    jasonb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,336 ✭✭✭jasonb


    A few mentions of 'Business Jet' in that article, I can imagine that will annoy some of the locals...

    J.


  • #143
    Xpro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 900 ✭✭✭Xpro


    Executive airport.. Lucan residents certainly wont be happy with the new owners decesions. The local residents Lucan comitee wants to arrange the meeting with the new owner as they want to discuss things and make sure the weston doesnt see any surge in traffic.

    When will this people stop moaning??


  • #144
    Johnny901
    Registered Users Posts: 88 ✭✭Johnny901


    If I was the locals I would encourage the odd few executive jets coming and going instead of a Cessna circuit bashing.

    I wonder, now that jobs are so important, will the attitude of the locals change.

    Imagine what a reasonable development at "Dublin-Weston" could do for employment.

    I hope that attitudes have changed and Weston can progress to the level it should be at.


  • #145
    jasonb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,336 ✭✭✭jasonb


    You'd have to think that any company wouldn't buy it unless they wanted to see a surge in Traffic, what's the point otherwise? :)

    J.


  • #146
    Johnny901
    Registered Users Posts: 88 ✭✭Johnny901


    Could also be a long term investment. If they can't make it work as an airport its in a great area for future development.


  • #147
    Xpro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 900 ✭✭✭Xpro


    Snowing in Weston 17/03/13

    View from an empty restaurant. Blue Max bistro is no longer there:(

    2x6u.jpg


  • #148
    FWVT
    Closed Accounts Posts: 922 ✭✭✭FWVT


    What? Blue Max is gone? :( Was going to head there for lunch!


  • #149
    Xpro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 900 ✭✭✭Xpro


    FWVT wrote: »
    What? Blue Max is gone? :( Was going to head there for lunch!

    Yes. Moved out last week. Due to changes in new ownership??

    Will be missed allright, i always liked their food and specialties


  • #150
    LeftBase
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 743 ✭✭✭LeftBase


    Double Post


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  • #151
    LeftBase
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 743 ✭✭✭LeftBase


    Xpro wrote: »

    View from an empty restaurant. Blue Max bistro is no longer there:(

    :(

    I have many fond memories of eating there while it was bucketing down outside(mind you they would have been fonder had I been in the air)


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