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    #3302
    namloc1980
    Registered Users Posts: 18,074 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Bonniedog wrote: »
    It's a public information campaign, same as those being run by every state in the world on this.

    It isn't and you know that. Why is it being run now and this close to the election? Be honest with yourself. You know as well as I do it'll be a positive spin story of what a great job Trump has done. It's electioneering using taxpayers money plain and simple.


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    #3303
    Pa ElGrande
    Registered Users Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Trump administration has siphoned off funding from the CDC to make ads about how great Trump has done with coronavirus. Imagine taking funding from the agency responsible for disease control in the middle of a pandemic. There are literally no depths Trump won't go to. Disgusting.

    As a public health issue do the Democrats really want to inform people or shout about the
    the body count to win votes and denigrate their President? Are they just concern trolling in case their fear mongering for votes might be disputed rather than a genuine concern for the health of the American people? Did the Democrats not ask for the administration to communicate more?
    Before taking medical leave, Caputo had insisted that the upcoming ad campaign should be viewed as a bipartisan priority, referencing Democrats’ earlier calls for the administration to communicate more about Covid-19.

    “I'm not doing anything more than what the Democrats asked for. I'm not doing anything more than what the president asked of me,” Caputo said in his Sept. 13 Facebook Live video. “As God as my witness, I am not stopping.”

    source

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



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    #3304
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    What is it with Trump supporters talking about ‘lefties tears’ and posting provocatively, and then crying ‘abuse’ when they’re called out for their childish ways?

    It’s f*cking boring and it adds nothing to the thread.


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    #3305
    [Deleted User]
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    titan18 wrote: »
    True, but let's face it, if Trump made that same joke, all hell would break lose.

    I don't even like Trump, but I hate hypocrisy more.

    He probably would which isn't hypocrisy. He simply has a pretty long history of mocking dead service men, their families and calling veterans losers. The McCain family who are hardcore Republicans didn't choose to not invite Trump to his funeral because of jokes, it was because he was a vitriolic dick about their father's service.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/trump-attacks-mccain-i-like-people-who-werent-captured-120317


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    #3306
    namloc1980
    Registered Users Posts: 18,074 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Pa ElGrande wrote: »
    As a public health issue do the Democrats really want to inform people or shout about the
    the body count to win votes and denigrate their President? Are they just concern trolling in case their fear mongering for votes might be disputed rather than a genuine concern for the health of the American people? Did the Democrats not ask for the administration to communicate more?

    The ads will feature celebrities talking about decreasing the despair of Covid-19 and "is expected to lean heavily on video interviews between administration officials and celebrities, who will discuss aspects of the coronavirus outbreak and address the Trump administration's response to the crisis."

    This isn't a public awareness campaign, it's a thinly veiled election stunt. You Trumpists will excuse anything it seems. Embarrassing.


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    #3307
    Pa ElGrande
    Registered Users Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Deleted User wrote: »
    He probably would which isn't hypocrisy. He simply has a pretty long history of mocking dead service men, their families and calling veterans losers. The McCain family who are hardcore Republicans didn't choose to not invite Trump to his funeral because of jokes, it was because he was a vitriolic dick about their father's service.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/trump-attacks-mccain-i-like-people-who-werent-captured-120317

    McCain is dead and buried like the political smear is.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwLt4XE1i2s

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



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    #3308
    Pa ElGrande
    Registered Users Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    This isn't a public awareness campaign, it's a thinly veiled election stunt. You Trumpists will excuse anything it seems. Embarrassing.

    The DNC are grandstanding over dead bodies for purpose of winning an election without offering anything constructive. The issue of the virus is a bipartisan issue, they have used the crisis from the start to gain political advantage. Embarrassing.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



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    #3309
    namloc1980
    Registered Users Posts: 18,074 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Pa ElGrande wrote: »
    The DNC are grandstanding over dead bodies for purpose of winning an election without offering anything constructive. The issue of the virus is a bipartisan issue, they have used the crisis from the start to gain political advantage. Embarrassing.

    But but but. You guys are so predictable.


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    #3310
    [Deleted User]
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    Pa ElGrande wrote: »
    The DNC are grandstanding over dead bodies for purpose of winning an election without offering anything constructive. The issue of the virus is a bipartisan issue, they have used the crisis from the start to gain political advantage. Embarrassing.

    Eh, there have been immense failures by the Trump administration in relation to the coronavirus. The buck stops with him, that's been his previously expressed view too..


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    #3311
    astrofool
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    Pa ElGrande wrote: »
    The DNC are grandstanding over dead bodies for purpose of winning an election without offering anything constructive. The issue of the virus is a bipartisan issue, they have used the crisis from the start to gain political advantage. Embarrassing.

    The US constitution doesn't allow such a mandate, which isn't a walkback.

    What is clear is that he will push mask wearing as far as it can be done so legally.

    Had anyone other than Trump been in charge, there would be tens of thousands more Americans alive today.

    Trump makes it worse every day by holding rallies with his supporters.

    There's also one candidate who will uphold the American constitution (Biden) and one who actively rails against it to line his own pockets (Trump).

    Again context is key to everything, but keep on posting lies.


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    #3312
    astrofool
    Registered Users Posts: 16,465 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    But but but. You guys are so predictable.

    Didn't even read the headline "Biden walks back national mask mandate over ‘constitutional issue’". Good to see one candidate pay attention to the constitution.


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    #3313
    Cody montana
    Registered Users Posts: 5,238 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Pa ElGrande wrote: »
    The DNC are grandstanding over dead bodies for purpose of winning an election without offering anything constructive. The issue of the virus is a bipartisan issue, they have used the crisis from the start to gain political advantage. Embarrassing.

    America with over 7 million cases and over 200 thousand death under trump.
    One of the most advanced countries in the world.

    Embarrassing.


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    #3314
    Pa ElGrande
    Registered Users Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Eh, there have been immense failures by the Trump administration in relation to the coronavirus. The buck stops with him, that's been his previously expressed view too..

    astrofool wrote: »
    . . .
    Had anyone other than Trump been in charge, there would be tens of thousands more Americans alive today.
    . . .

    Neither of you are American president and you are very wise in hindsight. What criteria are you using to gauge the effectiveness of the Trump administrations response to COVID and what country are you comparing them to?

    You talk about immense failures and tens of thousands so you obviously have data points to work with, would you share them with us?

    Your criticism to date is nothing more that the equivalent of shouting "orange man bad", this is not very constructive. If you don't have a valid means to evaluate the decisions taken by the Trump administration then you need to wait until the virus has run its course to properly evaluate the leaders response.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



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    #3315
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    Pa ElGrande wrote: »
    Neither of you are American president and you are very wise in hindsight. What criteria are you using to gauge the effectiveness of the Trump administrations response to COVID and what country are you comparing them to?

    You talk about immense failures and tens of thousands so you obviously have data points to work with, would you share them with us?

    Your criticism to date is nothing more that the equivalent of shouting "orange man bad", this is not very constructive. If you don't have a valid means to evaluate the decisions taken by the Trump administration then you need to wait until the virus has run its course to properly evaluate the leaders response.

    Here's one that was called out pretty early on.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/25/trump-coronavirus-national-security-council-149285
    Then there's demanding states to open when they shouldn't. Him actively politicizing mask wearing. Ignoring multiple warnings from the cdc about the virus. His efforts to downplay the virus. Leaving it up to individual states to buy supplies rather than federal purchasing.

    Then there's his superspreading events by holding mask free rallies while the virus was rampant. They never exited the first wave which is an incredible failure.

    But yes, this all apparently amounts to orange man bad.


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    #3316
    [Deleted User]
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    My seemingly unpopular opinion is that the US was always going to get hit by Covid-19 like it has been, regardless of who was president. They're a nation that doesn't do universal healthcare, and they're a nation that is all about personal freedom and rights. The entire Western world has a general attitude to this stuff that isn't compatible with dealing with a pandemic. Not everyone, but enough.


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    #3317
    Carfacemandog
    Registered Users Posts: 2,042 ✭✭✭Carfacemandog


    Deleted User wrote: »
    My seemingly unpopular opinion is that the US was always going to get hit by Covid-19 like it has been, regardless of who was president. They're a nation that doesn't do universal healthcare, and they're a nation that is all about personal freedom and rights. The entire Western world has a general attitude to this stuff that isn't compatible with dealing with a pandemic. Not everyone, but enough.
    If this were the case then the US performance during N1H1 (relative to the rest of the world) would have been similar to covid it has been during covid. Except it wasn't, they performed far better, reacted better, appeared more prepared, and didn't have a head of state publicly encouraging activities that would facilitate it's spread. They also left measures in place for similar events in future, which were largely dismantled by the Trump administration prior to covid-19 hitting.


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    #3318
    [Deleted User]
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    Carfacemandog wrote: »
    If this were the case then the US performance during N1H1 (relative to the rest of the world) would have been similar to covid it has been during covid. Except it wasn't, they performed far better, reacted better, appeared more prepared, and didn't have a head of state publicly encouraging activities that would facilitate it's spread. They also left measures in place for similar events in future, which were largely dismantled by the Trump administration prior to covid-19 hitting.

    My opinion is largely based on Vietnam's response and seeing everyone take it seriously from the get go. I think it's fair to say that Covid-19 puts far more responsibility on the populace and I don't think swine flu is that comparable to Covid-19 in terms of what is required by regular people to stop it.


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    #3319
    astrofool
    Registered Users Posts: 16,465 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Pa ElGrande wrote: »
    Neither of you are American president and you are very wise in hindsight. What criteria are you using to gauge the effectiveness of the Trump administrations response to COVID and what country are you comparing them to?

    You talk about immense failures and tens of thousands so you obviously have data points to work with, would you share them with us?

    Your criticism to date is nothing more that the equivalent of shouting "orange man bad", this is not very constructive. If you don't have a valid means to evaluate the decisions taken by the Trump administration then you need to wait until the virus has run its course to properly evaluate the leaders response.

    While the pandemic was in it's early days, Trump was shouting at states not to lockdown, he discouraged mask wearing, Trump pushed untested treatments, and gave dangerous advice. He berated governors for going into lockdown. He publicly argued with his chief medical officer.

    Fast forward to today, and rates are still high, and Trump is holding rallies with most in attendance not wearing masks and not social distancing (the kind of which led to the death of Herman Cain).

    One doesn't need to wait until the aftermath of an event to know that decisions were wrong, especially when they have been as wrong as Trump has been.


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    #3320
    astrofool
    Registered Users Posts: 16,465 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Pa ElGrande wrote: »
    Neither of you are American president and you are very wise in hindsight.

    None of this was hindsight, it was actively happening and the idiot in chief ignored the advice and as a result tens of thousands of people are dead on his watch.


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    #3321
    Bonniedog
    Registered Users Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭Bonniedog


    0.06 % of US population has died as daily tests go over 1 million. Just 5% positive and that had been falling steadily.

    0.04% of population in this state has died as numbers of cases as consequence of more testing rise, but with few hospitalisations and tiny number of deaths.

    You would need to be pretty desperate to try and attribute political blame in either instance.


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    #3322
    Outlaw Pete
    Registered Users Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    Carfacemandog wrote: »
    If this were the case then the US performance during N1H1 (relative to the rest of the world) would have been similar to covid it has been during covid. Except it wasn't, they performed far better, reacted better, appeared more prepared, and didn't have a head of state publicly encouraging activities that would facilitate it's spread. They also left measures in place for similar events in future, which were largely dismantled by the Trump administration prior to covid-19 hitting.

    Oh please.

    60 Million Americans contracted H1N1 in the first year and the only reason 200,000 of those weren't dead within 8 months was because it wasn't COVID-19! It's absurd to compare the two. H1N1 was influenza. COVID-19 is viral pneumonia.

    What would have happened if Trump had not put the travel restrictions in place in time? We can't say for sure but Dr. Fauci sure believes that the death rate would very likely have been far greater (many of the models predicted millions would die let's not forget). Anti-Trumpers like to say that many people still came in as if this negates the fact that millions were prevented from coming in but it of course does not. It's an absurdity to suggest as much.


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    #3323
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 75,522 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    blinding wrote: »
    Kleenex are making sure to have plentiful supplies of Tissues.

    Lefties Tears take a lot of Absorbing.

    Best of Luck to ye now ! !
    Don't say you were not warned

    Do not post in this thread again


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    #3324
    Carfacemandog
    Registered Users Posts: 2,042 ✭✭✭Carfacemandog


    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    Oh please.

    60 Million Americans contracted H1N1 in the first year and the only reason 200,000 of those weren't dead within 8 months was because it wasn't COVID-19! It's absurd to compare the two. H1N1 was influenza. COVID-19 is viral pneumonia.

    What would have happened if Trump had not put the travel restrictions in place in time? We can't say for sure but Dr. Fauci sure believes that the death rate would very likely have been far greater (many of the models predicted millions would die let's not forget). Anti-Trumpers like to say that many people still came in as if this negates the fact that millions were prevented from coming in but it of course does not. It's an absurdity to suggest as much.
    There were an estimated 700mn - 1.4bn global cases to go with the estimated 60mn US cases. 60mn as a percentage of 1.4bn is 4.3% - 8.6%. There were also 12,000 deaths in the US compared to the about 285,000 globally - 4.2%

    With Covid, the US accounts for about 22% of all cases and 21% of all deaths.

    There are no two ways about it, relative to the rest of the planet the US response to Covid-19 has been far, far worse to that of N1H1.

    As it turns out, poor and weak leadership resulting in encouraging people to pack into venues in huge numbers and ignore social distancing, being dismissive of wearing masks, railing against states imposing lockdown measures and goading people into armed protests against them, peddling unproven cures/preventative measures, and undermining and criticising experts like Fauci on the matter all play large roles in this.


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    #3325
    Bonniedog
    Registered Users Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭Bonniedog


    Carfacemandog wrote: »
    goading people into armed protests.


    The only ones inciting violent protests have been associated with the other side.

    There were no armed protests incited by Trump.


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    #3326
    Carfacemandog
    Registered Users Posts: 2,042 ✭✭✭Carfacemandog


    Bonniedog wrote: »
    The only ones inciting violent protests have been associated with the other side.

    There were no armed protests incited by Trump.
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    #3327
    Cody montana
    Registered Users Posts: 5,238 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Bonniedog wrote: »
    0.06 % of US population has died as daily tests go over 1 million. Just 5% positive and that had been falling steadily.

    0.04% of population in this state has died as numbers of cases as consequence of more testing rise, but with few hospitalisations and tiny number of deaths.

    You would need to be pretty desperate to try and attribute political blame in either instance.

    Please divide 200 thousand by 320 million and come back to me!


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    #3328
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    Cody montana wrote: »
    Please divide 200 thousand by 320 million and come back to me!

    It's 0.0625%.


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    #3329
    bobbyy gee
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭bobbyy gee


    Bonniedog wrote: »
    The only ones inciting violent protests have been associated with the other side.

    There were no armed protests incited by Trump.


    Patriots Coalition members suggested political assassinations and said ‘laws will be broken, people will get hurt’, leaked chats show

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/23/oregon-portland-pro-trump-protests-violence-texts


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    #3330
    namloc1980
    Registered Users Posts: 18,074 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Bonniedog wrote: »
    The only ones inciting violent protests have been associated with the other side.

    There were no armed protests incited by Trump.

    Armed-militia-group-stands-in-front-of-governors-office-to-protest-shutdowns-in-Michigan_-Photo-source-Seth-Herald_Reuters.jpg

    What about these fine people who took arms into the Michigan State Capitol not long after Trumps "LIBERATE MICHIGAN" dog whistle?


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    #3331
    bobbyy gee
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭bobbyy gee


    Cody montana wrote: »
    Please divide 200 thousand by 320 million and come back to me!
    7 million have got it
    In usa
    From cases in china.the death rate
    Should be 3% when it's all over usa only counts deaths in hospitals were covid test was given nursing home deaths are not counted if test not given
    https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/07/about-30-covid-deaths-may-not-be-classified-such


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