General Ryanair discusion

rivegauche · 14-02-2020 1:45pm

The EU261 law needs to be amended. It is well-intentioned but not specific enough. There have been other court cases through europe. In some they've determined that the EU261 is not payable due to wildcat striking and in others it is payable because the employer isn't engaging with the Union although a process is there.
All the Judges can do is interpret what exists in the law at present and depending on the day and the arguments made or just what form they are in that particular day the interpretation can change.
EU261 is definitely needed as Airlines, not least of which is Ryanair would take liberties and leave passengers stranded if it is determined as the best outcome for them in pure financial terms.

Phil.x · 23-02-2020 5:12pm

4hr+, flight to lanzarote in july, is there any creature comforts on these flights, USB power? Earphone socket? Wifi? Reclining seats? Beer? Hot food? Sick bag?

Shn99 · 23-02-2020 5:27pm

Phil.x wrote: »

4hr+, flight to lanzarote in july, is there any creature comforts on these flights, USB power? Earphone socket? Wifi? Reclining seats? Beer? Hot food? Sick bag?

Seat recline, Sick bag, yes.
Beer, hot food, yes but at a price.
The rest, no.

Johnny Sausage · 23-02-2020 5:27pm

Phil.x wrote: »

4hr+, flight to lanzarote in july, is there any creature comforts on these flights, USB power? Earphone socket? Wifi? Reclining seats? Beer? Hot food? Sick bag?

Just beer and food available at a premium

And they will probably run out of the food by halfway down the plane

L1011 · 23-02-2020 5:27pm

Shn99 wrote: »

Seat recline, Sick bag, yes.
Beer, hot food, yes but at a price.
The rest, no.

Seats don't recline

Shn99 · 23-02-2020 5:55pm

L1011 wrote: »

Seats don't recline

Oops, had mistaken this for the EI thread. Disregard my post

TheDriver · 23-02-2020 6:04pm

The very good thing about Ryanair in Canary Island is checking in a bag as they have loads of communal desks so I've never had to wait longer than 5-10mins unlike the massive queues at TUI/Jet2 and EI.

Tenger · 23-02-2020 10:51pm

Phil.x wrote: »

4hr+, flight to lanzarote in july, is there any creature comforts on these flights, USB power? Earphone socket? Wifi? Reclining seats? Beer? Hot food? Sick bag?

Will this be your first experience with Ryanair?
Where exactly have you been for the last few years...........

jorry · 23-02-2020 11:40pm

Phil.x wrote: »

4hr+, flight to lanzarote in july, is there any creature comforts on these flights, USB power? Earphone socket? Wifi? Reclining seats? Beer? Hot food? Sick bag?

I've done it twice with 2 kids in toe and it was pleasant, flight time seemed to "fly by"... kids had tablets loaded with games and fully charged. Aer Lingus doe is a more pleasant experience once you are sat in your seat, just their flight schedules are not as convenient.

Hotblack Desiato · 24-02-2020 1:01am

I think you meant "though" not "doe, a deer, a female deer"

Also although I'd often like to give my kids a "toe" in a certain place, I often have them in tow, which is not the same thing.

Phil.x · 24-02-2020 11:16am

Tenger wrote: »

Will this be your first experience with Ryanair?
Where exactly have you been for the last few years...........

Maybe second flight with them as I generally avoid them, I was hoping they might have changed a bit over time.

Phil.x · 24-02-2020 11:20am

jorry wrote: »

I've done it twice with 2 kids in toe and it was pleasant, flight time seemed to "fly by"... kids had tablets loaded with games and fully charged. Aer Lingus doe is a more pleasant experience once you are sat in your seat, just their flight schedules are not as convenient.

Same as me two kids.

Thats the plan, Nintendo switch, two phones and two tablets, plus headphones and powerbank battery.

wetoutside19 · 24-02-2020 11:27am

Phil.x wrote: »

Same as me two kids.

Thats the plan, Nintendo switch, two phones and two tablets, plus headphones and powerbank battery.

Wow, is that not a bit overboard?

Is that so you don’t have to talk to them and you can ignore them?

What about a few books / magazines / colours etc?

Phil.x · 24-02-2020 12:00pm

wetoutside19 wrote: »

Wow, is that not a bit overboard?

Is that so you don’t have to talk to them and you can ignore them?

What about a few books / magazines / colours etc?

Those as well, you can never have too much of anything to keep kids occupied, especially on flights longer than 2hours.

Pat Dunne · 25-02-2020 2:31am

Shn99 wrote: »

Seat recline, Sick bag, yes.
Beer, hot food, yes but at a price.
The rest, no.

I’m delighted to say that Ryanair seat’s do not recline.
Have to say it’s the absolute height of ignorance when suddenly someone in front of you, just launches themselves into what was your personal space without the slightest little word of common courtesy. Then proceed to act all indignant when been requested to move forward again. On Long duration flights yes I appreciate this needs to happen. However on a flight of 4 hours or less it not going to kill you if your seat doesn’t recline.
I wish other airlines would follow the example for all European flights.

billy few mates · 25-02-2020 5:45am

Pat Dunne wrote: »

I’m delighted to say that Ryanair seat’s do not recline.
Have to say it’s the absolute height of ignorance when suddenly someone in front of you, just launches themselves into what was your personal space without the slightest little word of common courtesy. Then proceed to act all indignant when been requested to move forward again. On Long duration flights yes I appreciate this needs to happen. However on a flight of 4 hours or less it not going to kill you if your seat doesn’t recline.
I wish other airlines would follow the example for all European flights.

I never engage in any communication with the passenger behind before I recline in case they somehow mistakenly believe I'm asking their approval or consent before enjoying the comfort feature of the seat I've paid for. I do however always recline it slowly and almost immediately after take off when I know for certain the table behind me is already empty and stowed.
I understand that some people have strong opinions on the 'etiquette' surrounding the use of reclining seats, and in some cases unilaterally deciding when other people around them can and can't use them so it's very important people who feel this way only choose airlines that don't offer this feature (Ryanair for example). Some people choose to pay extra to travel with airlines that provide reclining seats (Aer Lingus, Lufthansa etc) and if you find yourself sitting behind me on one of those carriers you should be aware that I'll be reclining without engaging with you first...

WAW · 25-02-2020 6:37am

Re Ryanair flights. Was in a hurry booking Ryanair flights recently and just booked basic through a third party site that I can only deal with by phone - apparently I didn't select the option and pay extra to do my business online. Does anybody know if you can retrospectively purchase the option to change/ cancel flights with Ryanair? TIA

Cookiemunster · 25-02-2020 10:18am

billy few mates wrote: »

I never engage in any communication with the passenger behind before I recline in case they somehow mistakenly believe I'm asking their approval or consent before enjoying the comfort feature of the seat I've paid for. I do however always recline it slowly and almost immediately after take off when I know for certain the table behind me is already empty and stowed.
I understand that some people have strong opinions on the 'etiquette' surrounding the use of reclining seats, and in some cases unilaterally deciding when other people around them can and can't use them so it's very important people who feel this way only choose airlines that don't offer this feature (Ryanair for example). Some people choose to pay extra to travel with airlines that provide reclining seats (Aer Lingus, Lufthansa etc) and if you find yourself sitting behind me on one of those carriers you should be aware that I'll be reclining without engaging with you first...

If I'm behind you you'll feel my knees digging into your back for the whole flight, because there's nowhere else for them to go. The passenger behind you also paid to fly on the same flight as you and deserves the same level of comfort.

Patrick2010 · 25-02-2020 10:33am

Cookiemunster wrote: »

If I'm behind you you'll feel my knees digging into your back for the whole flight, because there's nowhere else for them to go. The passenger behind you also paid to fly on the same flight as you and deserves the same level of comfort.

Quite agree, I'm 6 3" and if someone reclines my knees are trapped.

Kev11491 · 25-02-2020 11:21am

Cookiemunster wrote: »

If I'm behind you you'll feel my knees digging into your back for the whole flight, because there's nowhere else for them to go. The passenger behind you also paid to fly on the same flight as you and deserves the same level of comfort.

Coming off a long haul flight and connecting onto a short connecting flight is exhausting, so if I want to recline the seat and get an hours snoozing in before arriving back into say; Dublin, what's the problem? If you're tall you can always pay extra for an aisle seat or extra legroom one if youre so easily triggered. Simples.

Cookiemunster · 25-02-2020 11:33am

Kev11491 wrote: »

Coming off a long haul flight and connecting onto a short connecting flight is exhausting, so if I want to recline the seat and get an hours snoozing in before arriving back into say; Dublin, what's the problem? If you're tall you can always pay extra for an aisle seat or extra legroom one if youre so easily triggered. Simples.

Not in anyway triggered. Just stating a fact.

Kev11491 · 25-02-2020 11:38am

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Not in anyway triggered. Just stating a fact.

Fair, but the fact is that a reclining seat is provided for in the service you paid for. At least Ryanair is an alternative for you.

grimm2005 · 25-02-2020 1:06pm

Cookiemunster wrote: »

If I'm behind you you'll feel my knees digging into your back for the whole flight, because there's nowhere else for them to go. The passenger behind you also paid to fly on the same flight as you and deserves the same level of comfort.

Agreed, I'm 6ft6" myself and so seats are already a squeeze regardless of airline. I get reclining for long haul flights but short haul there's really no need imo, personally I just find it inconsiderate for the person behind you, granted I think most feel the same as I rarely see people reclining around me when I'm on a non-Ryanair short haul flight.

Phil.x · 25-02-2020 6:22pm

Pat Dunne wrote: »

I’m delighted to say that Ryanair seat’s do not recline.
Have to say it’s the absolute height of ignorance when suddenly someone in front of you, just launches themselves into what was your personal space without the slightest little word of common courtesy. Then proceed to act all indignant when been requested to move forward again. On Long duration flights yes I appreciate this needs to happen. However on a flight of 4 hours or less it not going to kill you if your seat doesn’t recline.
I wish other airlines would follow the example for all European flights.

Looking at how much this coronavirus is spreading I might not need to worry about reclining seats as there'll be no holiday at all.

Tenzor07 · 25-02-2020 6:31pm

All flights currently operating as normal:

So, what happens if you have a flight booked and it gets cancelled?

As of now, neither Ryanair or Aer Lingus have cancelled flights as a result of the coronavirus outbreaks.

In a statement to TheJournal.ie, Ryanair said that “at present all Ryanair flights are operating as normal”.

“We will follow all public health instructions that are issued.”

Similarly, Aer Lingus said it is continuing to “operate flights to and from all destinations on our network”.

“We will continue to closely monitor the situation and follow all guidelines from the relevant authorities in relation to this issue,” it told TheJournal.ie.

If flights do begin to be cancelled in the coming days or weeks as a result of the virus, there are a number of options for travellers affected.

If your flight is cancelled, the airline must offer you a choice between the following:

rerouting as soon as possible
rerouting at a later date at your convenience
a refund
If you choose the first option (re-routing as soon as possible) and are travelling home, your airline must provide you with care and assistance while you wait for the alternative flight. Care and assistance comprises:

meals and refreshments as reasonable in relation to waiting time
hotel accommodation where an overnight stay becomes necessary
transport between the hotel accommodation and the airport
two free telephone calls/access to email
More information about passenger rights and flight cancellations can be found here.

However, people who are flying to and from countries outside the EU and experience cancellations may face some difficulties with securing refunds or re-routing.

billy few mates · 25-02-2020 10:47pm

Patrick2010 wrote: »

Quite agree, I'm 6 3" and if someone reclines my knees are trapped.

That's why it's very important you only choose carriers like Ryanair that don't offer reclining seats...

Pat Dunne · 25-02-2020 11:04pm

Phil.x wrote: »

Looking at how much this coronavirus is spreading I might not need to worry about reclining seats as there'll be no holiday at all.

Or your

Phil.x wrote: »

USB power? Earphone socket? Wifi? Reclining seats? Beer? Hot food? Sick bag?

as well.

kub · 02-06-2020 12:48pm

This is very interesting, seems like Ryanair are in hot water with US investors about Union recognition ;

I just came across this on Reuters :

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Ryanair Holdings Plc and Chief Executive Michael O'Leary failed to persuade a U.S. judge to dismiss a securities fraud lawsuit accusing Europe's largest budget airline of defrauding them by downplaying its willingness to recognize labor unions.

While dismissing much of the proposed class action, U.S. District Judge Paul Oetken said shareholders could try to prove that Ryanair intended to mislead them with statements indicating a "near certainty" it would not welcome unions, the recognition of which could increase costs and reduce profitability.

The Manhattan judge said this included O'Leary's statement at Ryanair's September 2017 annual general meeting that hell would "freeze over" before the Dublin-based carrier accepted unions.

Such statements "are impossible to reconcile with O'Leary's subsequent admission that he had 'long anticipated' unionization," and were "direct evidence" of possible intent to mislead shareholders, Oetken wrote.

Ryanair offered that December to recognize pilot unions, to avert a possible strike, and its American depositary shares fell 5.2% that day.

Oetken also dismissed claims concerning other statements about Ryanair's labor relations, profitability and growth targets, finding no proof the statements were false.

Ryanair and its law firm did not immediately respond to requests for comment. Lawyers for the lead plaintiff did not immediately respond to similar requests.

The lawsuit was filed in November 2018 by an Alabama fund, the City of Birmingham Firemen's and Policemen's Supplemental Pension System, on behalf of Ryanair ADS investors from May 30, 2017 to Sept. 28, 2018.

Ryanair cited labor issues when it cut its full-year profit forecast on Oct. 1, 2018. Its share price closed that day more than one-third below its level in mid-March.

O'Leary has been Ryanair's chief executive since 1994.

The case is City of Birmingham Firemen's and Policemen's Supplemental Pension System v Ryanair Holdings Plc et al, U.S. District Court, Southern District of New York, No. 18-10330

PaulKK · 04-06-2020 11:29pm

Tempted to use the voucher offered by Ryanair and book something for next summer. I've noticed a lot of routes are loaded already but some aren't, e.g. Nice, MRS etc.

Anyone know when the 2021 summer flights for those might be available?

Lots of the popular ones are there like BCN and AGP.

Debub · 17-09-2020 8:40pm

Hi - is Ryan air not flying to Sicily anymore, I was looking for flights to Sicily in December and there doesn't seem to be any!

thanks

McSween · 19-09-2020 9:45pm

When searching fares the app says error and website doesnt go beyond egg timer. This is second time in a week. Very annoying.

Noxegon · 21-09-2020 8:46am

Ryanair is recruiting:

https://careers.ryanair.com/search/#job/163f1c

kub · 25-10-2020 5:23pm

This is a strange one :

KARACHI: Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) and Ireland’s Ryanair have signed an agreement under which the former will provide its Boeing-777 aircraft to the latter to operate cargo flights between China’s Urumqi city and Pakistan.

According to the agreement, the aircraft will operate on this route for four months.

A spokesperson of the national airline said the PIA cut down on its flights owing to travel restrictions brought on by the coronavirus pandemic, which rendered many of its planes idle. It, therefore, converted its Boeing 777 passenger aircraft into a cargo plane and leased it out to the foreign airline, he added.

This aircraft has the capacity to carry 52 tonnes of cargo.

Pakistan will export dry fruit, including pine nuts, to China through this flight. Besides, the spokesperson said, the PIA is entering into strategic partnerships like other airlines in the crisis-hit aviation industry. Such union is aimed to benefit from each other’s experiences and share resources, he elaborated

Rawr · 25-10-2020 5:33pm

kub wrote: »

This is a strange one :

KARACHI: Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) and Ireland’s Ryanair have signed an agreement under which the former will provide its Boeing-777 aircraft to the latter to operate cargo flights between China’s Urumqi city and Pakistan.

According to the agreement, the aircraft will operate on this route for four months.

A spokesperson of the national airline said the PIA cut down on its flights owing to travel restrictions brought on by the coronavirus pandemic, which rendered many of its planes idle. It, therefore, converted its Boeing 777 passenger aircraft into a cargo plane and leased it out to the foreign airline, he added.

This aircraft has the capacity to carry 52 tonnes of cargo.

Pakistan will export dry fruit, including pine nuts, to China through this flight. Besides, the spokesperson said, the PIA is entering into strategic partnerships like other airlines in the crisis-hit aviation industry. Such union is aimed to benefit from each other’s experiences and share resources, he elaborated

This is an odd one. I can't imagine Ryanair have anyone rated to fly a 777? Maybe they do...but I'm not sure it's likely.

Could it be that this Cargo run is some kind of trial run? That they use these to train up some Ryanair pilots to fly the 777? If I remember right PIA are currently banned from flying their own metal into Europe. However....if their long-haul metal was technically "Ryanair", would *that* be a way to get around the ban?

Some kind of cunning plan is afoot here maybe?

25-10-2020 7:26pm

777s are cheap and can cross the Atlantic from Western Europe. see airline lease rates Winter 2020 at https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1440991
Other airlines are so vulnerable coming out of this Covid crisis that if Ryanair take a bite out of their trans-Atlantic economy passenger revenue they'll be rightly screwed. Trans-Atlantic from Frankfurt, Dublin, Stansted, Charleroi fed from the rest of the Ryanair network and other airlines start hurting.
A 777-300 in all economy can take 550 passengers. With few business class travelers European airlines are so vulnerable.
Perhaps I'm adding one and one and coming to three but they can afford to do it, have a motivation to do it and technically can't be stopped from doing it if they so wish.

Rawr · 25-10-2020 7:52pm

Deleted User wrote: »

777s are cheap and can cross the Atlantic from Western Europe. see airline lease rates Winter 2020 at https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1440991
Other airlines are so vulnerable coming out of this Covid crisis that if Ryanair take a bite out of their trans-Atlantic economy passenger revenue they'll be rightly screwed. Trans-Atlantic from Frankfurt, Dublin, Stansted, Charleroi fed from the rest of the Ryanair network and other airlines start hurting.
A 777-300 in all economy can take 550 passengers. With few business class travelers European airlines are so vulnerable.
Perhaps I'm adding one and one and coming to three but they can afford to do it, have a motivation to do it and technically can't be stopped from doing it if they so wish.

It's not a bad theory.
If they could somehow plan it carefully and time a launch for whenever these COVID lockdowns (hopefully) end, they could be in for a killing. I'm guessing it would be easier to source these 777 too, sidestepping the Dreamliner supply problems Norwegian had at the start of their long-haul ops.

masit · 27-10-2020 4:57pm

Deleted User wrote: »

777s are cheap and can cross the Atlantic from Western Europe. see airline lease rates Winter 2020 at https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1440991
Other airlines are so vulnerable coming out of this Covid crisis that if Ryanair take a bite out of their trans-Atlantic economy passenger revenue they'll be rightly screwed. Trans-Atlantic from Frankfurt, Dublin, Stansted, Charleroi fed from the rest of the Ryanair network and other airlines start hurting.
A 777-300 in all economy can take 550 passengers. With few business class travelers European airlines are so vulnerable.
Perhaps I'm adding one and one and coming to three but they can afford to do it, have a motivation to do it and technically can't be stopped from doing it if they so wish.

Said years ago that Ryanair should have bought a few 748's and based them at Shannon, fly to there from all over Europe, do preclearance in Shannon and the be able to fly to anywhere in the US. A WOW air or Icelandair style but in Shannon and with preclearance. I know things have changed now and there is lots of planes lying around, so maybe now use a 777, or 787.

PinOnTheRight · 27-10-2020 5:15pm

Poor journalism I think, it should refer to Rayyan Air of Pakistan.

https://profit.pakistantoday.com.pk/2020/10/24/pakistani-airline-rayyan-air-to-charter-pias-boeing-777/

03-11-2020 8:39pm

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/boeing-repaid-ryanair-250-million-due-to-new-aircraft-delays-1.4398249

Boeing repaid €250Million to Ryanair for delivery delays on planes they don't really want to receive at the moment. It is an ill wind that blows no good.

Tenzor07 · 03-11-2020 10:15pm

Deleted User wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/boeing-repaid-ryanair-250-million-due-to-new-aircraft-delays-1.4398249
Boeing repaid €250Million to Ryanair for delivery delays on planes they don't really want to receive at the moment. It is an ill wind that blows no good.

Where does it say that in the link you dropped?

03-11-2020 10:19pm

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Where does it say that in the link you dropped?

Do you think they could have made 250 million euro profit out of those airframes in the current conditions?

Tenzor07 · 03-11-2020 11:21pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Do you think they could have made 250 million euro profit out of those airframes in the current conditions?

I'm sure RA do want to get these Max aircraft into the fleet as soon as possible, and sell off some of the NG's or retire a lot of the more aged airframes..

03-11-2020 11:26pm

Tenzor07 wrote: »

I'm sure RA do want to get these Max aircraft into the fleet as soon as possible, and sell off some of the NG's or retire a lot of the more aged airframes..

Without foregoing the 250 million compensation???

Tenzor07 · 03-11-2020 11:36pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Without foregoing the 250 million compensation???

What?

Once the Max is signed over to Ryanair then that's that, they will be operational..no further compo..

03-11-2020 11:43pm

Tenzor07 wrote: »

What?

Once the Max is signed over to Ryanair then that's that, they will be operational..no further compo..

You're trying to make a battle on shaky ground. A flight I've booked for later this month with Ryanair was cancelled. They're not flying much up until in to the third week of December. If the Maxes had been delivered earlier they wouldn't have got the comp. Yes, they'll want them next year but not this year
I am happy to stand over my comment that it is an ill wind that blows no good and their misfortune with the Max was mitigated considerably by the grounding being coincidental to the pandemic.

Tenger · 03-11-2020 11:55pm

Stop expressing outrage over your inference being queried.

This compensation is part of the contract signed years. Nothing to doo with the current global pandemic/recession. The article says nothing about FR “not wanting the deliveries”

04-11-2020 12:48am

I note the first sentence in your response which I take to be mod direction despite not being labelled as such and dispassionately respond to your subsequent contribution which is discussion of the topic in question and I leave it at that.

Tenger wrote: »

Nothing to doo with the current global pandemic/recession.

I said "coincidental" not "causal".

Tenger wrote: »

This compensation is part of the contract signed years.

Whatever about the penalty clauses that were contained within the contract the compensation was negotiated as has been reported frequently with Ryanair management having been reported in the media as saying ""We're in active negotiations with Boeing for compensation on late deliveries.""

Tenger wrote: »

The article says nothing about FR “not wanting the deliveries”

That would be correct. So neither the article said it nor did I report Ryanair as having said it. If Ryanair had said they didn't want the deliveries they would have undermined their negotiation position and not secured such a high amount.

09-11-2020 11:07am

https://leehamnews.com/2020/11/09/pontifications-aircraft-prices-rents-plunge/
Here are prices for lease at the moment and an estimation of the current purchase price of 737Maxes.

Ryanair 737-Maxes could potentially be cheaper than ever imagined.

I assume every Airline will have to write down the value of their fleet including Ryanair. Ryanair may be able to afford to recognise the true value of their existing fleet while others may not.

Geuze · 09-11-2020 4:57pm

I hope this isn't off-topic, but I have a query about Wizz.

I have noticed it mentioned more and more recently: fast growth / not as affected by COVID.

Does it have the same business model as Ryanair?

02-12-2020 10:22pm

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-02/ryanair-nears-deal-for-added-737-max-jets-in-boost-to-boeing

Bloomberg says additional planes will be ordered. May be announced tomorrow.

Ryanair could take nearly all Boeing's whitetails if it wanted and if the price was right and it would be awfully tempting for Boeing but they'd have practically no work then for component suppliers so I'd say Ryanair will stick with Max 200s.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-boeing-737max-ryanair-idUSKBN28C223
Reuters says it will be about 75 planes and mentions an Aviation photographer having taken a picture of a Boeing corporate jet arriving in Dublin.

https://twitter.com/Michaelkelly707/status/1333792669441540096

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