The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL - General Banter thread V3

BonnieSituation · 12-10-2020 10:55pm

AbusesToilets wrote: »

That mean they're about to up sticks and move the franchise?

Perhaps.

Meanwhile, Jets fans get excited again...

Itssoeasy · 12-10-2020 11:22pm

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Perhaps.

Meanwhile, Jets fans get excited again...

Why are jets fans excited again ? Please tell me Adam gase has been told to hit the brick in New Jersey.

BonnieSituation · 13-10-2020 12:08am

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Last 4-1 start and Bill was in charge.

AbusesToilets wrote: »

That mean they're about to up sticks and move the franchise?

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Perhaps.

Meanwhile, Jets fans get excited again...

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Why are jets fans excited again ? Please tell me Adam gase has been told to hit the brick in New Jersey.

Because Bill Belichick might take over. See posts above.:D:D:D:D

I was merely harking back to the olden times.

Oat23 · 14-10-2020 2:31am

Bell surprisingly released by the Jets tonight. Nobody interested in a trade.

The Bears should be doing everything they can to get him signed. David Montgomery is all we have at RB with Cohen out for the year.

https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1316179823467917314

raven136 · 14-10-2020 2:59am

God I hate being a Jet fan

Realt Dearg Sec · 14-10-2020 5:37am

raven136 wrote: »

God I hate being a Jet fan

Will they fire Gase soon? If I was a Falcons fan I'd have been happy they didn't just zombie their way through the season and instead just did it. Gives you a chance to assess someone internally as HC material, and to get a good jump on the process of replacing, as well as planning for things like the next draft etc.

This craic of him giving up playcalling duties (potentially for Dowell Loggains, lol) is only feckacting while waiting for the inevitable. Ye look a strong candidate to go 0-16, would be thick not to fire him at this stage, might even be a small morale boost.

phatkev · 14-10-2020 9:32am

Oat23 wrote: »

Bell surprisingly released by the Jets tonight. Nobody interested in a trade.

The Bears should be doing everything they can to get him signed. David Montgomery is all we have at RB with Cohen out for the year.

https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1316179823467917314

I dont think theres a person I hate more on this planet right now than Adam Gase. Whats happening to the Jets right now is a carbon copy of what went on in Miami.
Cant wait to see Bell ball out on a new team, while Gase continues to hand the ball of to a 100 year old Frank Gore 50 time a game

phatkev · 14-10-2020 9:39am

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Will they fire Gase soon? If I was a Falcons fan I'd have been happy they didn't just zombie their way through the season and instead just did it. Gives you a chance to assess someone internally as HC material, and to get a good jump on the process of replacing, as well as planning for things like the next draft etc.

This craic of him giving up playcalling duties (potentially for Dowell Loggains, lol) is only feckacting while waiting for the inevitable. Ye look a strong candidate to go 0-16, would be thick not to fire him at this stage, might even be a small morale boost.

I thinks Gase stays the rest of the season, the Jets ownership have a track record of holding onto people far to long because they're afraid of been seen as having made a wrong/bad decision.

I'm surprised anyone outside the Jets even knows who Loggins is! His biggest claim to fame as a Jet was being allowed to be in charge of the challenge flag!!

I could nearly guarantee that if Gase and his cronies were gone there would be a vast improvement in Darnolds play. He's another player that I would just rather see on another team and be giving a chance to develop properly

thomond2006 · 14-10-2020 9:46am

The Jets look setup for a complete re-build. In some ways it's a better job for a GM or HC to take than Atlanta or Houston. Atlanta have a lot of money tied up in aging stars. Houston have few draft picks.

Per here https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-jets/cap/2021/ only one player in Jamison Crowder counts for over 10m on the cap in 2021 and he's worth it. They will have a top 5 pick and also a pick in the bottom of the first due to the Adams trade.

phatkev · 14-10-2020 9:51am

thomond2006 wrote: »

The Jets look setup for a complete re-build. In some ways it's a better job for a GM or HC to take than Atlanta or Houston. Atlanta have a lot of money tied up in aging stars. Houston have few draft picks.

Per here https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-jets/cap/2021/ only one player in Jamison Crowder counts for over 10m on the cap in 2021 and he's worth it. They will have a top 5 pick and also a pick in the bottom of the first due to the Adams trade.

The Jets have been doing one of these for the last decade:(

thomond2006 · 14-10-2020 9:54am

phatkev wrote: »

The Jets have been doing one of these for the last decade:(

Very true but there's little stopping a complete tearing up of the roster. Two first rounders, a second rounder and two third rounders in the draft next year.

eagle eye · 14-10-2020 10:15am

phatkev wrote:

I dont think theres a person I hate more on this planet right now than Adam Gase. Whats happening to the Jets right now is a carbon copy of what went on in Miami. Cant wait to see Bell ball out on a new team, while Gase continues to hand the ball of to a 100 year old Frank Gore 50 time a game

Well I think you should hate Woody Johnson more.

Gase isn't the first disaster there, franchise has been in a heap for most of Johnson's time as owner.

That's where the buck stops imo.

phatkev · 14-10-2020 10:46am

eagle eye wrote: »

Well I think you should hate Woody Johnson more.

Gase isn't the first disaster there, franchise has been in a heap for most of Johnson's time as owner.

That's where the buck stops imo.

Absolutely, but as long has big pharma keeps ticking along Woody and his bozo brother are never going to sell and thats something I've come to terms with

But Gase is the sole reason talent are walking away from this team, the Narcissistic fool has literally just cut probably the most gifted player on the team because he liked a tweet and imo he's the sole reason Darnold is regressing in his 3rd year.
The team are 0-5, are trash in all 3 phases of the game and Gase has never once put the blame on himself, instead he's thrown everyone else under the bus, this is not what a HC is supposed to do. I wouldnt put him in charge of a peewee team nevermind an NFL team

The_Honeybadger · 14-10-2020 11:02am

Regardless of who is to blame, that Bell contract was a disaster. $28m for four TD’s over a season and a quarter and the lowest yards per carry in the league this season. Best for both parties to go their separate ways. It’ll be interesting to see where he ends up and how he performs in a presumably better scheme.

Did not see that thumping for the Bills coming last night. Watched highlights this morning, absolute disaster for the Bills with fumbles, turnovers and mistakes everywhere, albeit the Titans played well and were very clinical in the Redzone. The AFC playoff race is really intriguing this year, lots of teams on the mix.

eagle eye · 14-10-2020 12:52pm

The_Honeybadger wrote:

Regardless of who is to blame, that Bell contract was a disaster. $28m for four TDâ€™s over a season and a quarter and the lowest yards per carry in the league this season. Best for both parties to go their separate ways. Itâ€™ll be interesting to see where he ends up and how he performs in a presumably better scheme.

Well that's in hindsight. I seen lots on here saying it was a great deal for the Jets at the time.
I was personally of the opinion that if a guy is willing to sit out a year that you can't trust him to do his job.

The_Honeybadger wrote:

Did not see that thumping for the Bills coming last night. Watched highlights this morning, absolute disaster for the Bills with fumbles, turnovers and mistakes everywhere, albeit the Titans played well and were very clinical in the Redzone. The AFC playoff race is really intriguing this year, lots of teams on the mix.

Bills had both corners missing, some other defenders picked up injuries during the game. On top of that Allen had an off night, wasn't accurate with his throws.
You don't get away with that against a well rested 3-0 team.

phatkev · 14-10-2020 1:11pm

eagle eye wrote: »

I was personally of the opinion that if a guy is willing to sit out a year that you can't trust him to do his job.

I dont know about that, Bell currently looks in great shape and he is just not been used to anywhere near his potential. Last Sundays game against Arizona is a perfect example, in the run game old man Gore only had 3 less rushes than Bell. Bell had an average of 4.6 on 13 carries while Gore had 3.3 on 10. In the passing game the Jets only have one good wr in Crowder, Bell should have featured heavily in the pass game instead he had 1 target! Whilst Jeff Smith a undrafted rookie taking off the practice squad had the second most targets behind Crowder.
Bell had a grand total of 14 touches in that game, which is a complete and utter joke and theres not much he can do about that
I think he's got a lot left in tank and look forward to seeing him do well with whatever team picks him up

The_Honeybadger · 14-10-2020 2:02pm

eagle eye wrote: »

Well that's in hindsight. I seen lots on here saying it was a great deal for the Jets at the time.
I was personally of the opinion that if a guy is willing to sit out a year that you can't trust him to do his job.

Bills had both corners missing, some other defenders picked up injuries during the game. On top of that Allen had an off night, wasn't accurate with his throws.
You don't get away with that against a well rested 3-0 team.

Never thought it was a good deal for the Jets. A star running back is the last thing you should be adding in free agency, and only when you have all the other pieces in place. In fairness to Gase I think he pointed that out at the time as he never wanted him, and that’s not defending him for anything that came after by any means. I think Bell can still contribute somewhere, we’ll see.

Every team has injuries right now, still wasn’t expecting the Titans to drop 40+ on the Bills. I have heard Josh Allen being talked about in MVP conversations, I expect that talk will cool off now.

Realt Dearg Sec · 14-10-2020 3:26pm

phatkev wrote: »

I'm surprised anyone outside the Jets even knows who Loggins is! His biggest claim to fame as a Jet was being allowed to be in charge of the challenge flag!!

Oh bears fans know who he is alright. I wonder if he'll get a chance to implement his patented RRPP offense in New York. (That's the Run Run Pass Punt, for those not previously traumatised by it)

Shedite27 · 14-10-2020 3:30pm

phatkev wrote: »

I dont know about that, Bell currently looks in great shape and he is just not been used to anywhere near his potential. Last Sundays game against Arizona is a perfect example, in the run game old man Gore only had 3 less rushes than Bell. Bell had an average of 4.6 on 13 carries while Gore had 3.3 on 10. In the passing game the Jets only have one good wr in Crowder, Bell should have featured heavily in the pass game instead he had 1 target! Whilst Jeff Smith a undrafted rookie taking off the practice squad had the second most targets behind Crowder.
Bell had a grand total of 14 touches in that game, which is a complete and utter joke and theres not much he can do about that
I think he's got a lot left in tank and look forward to seeing him do well with whatever team picks him up

I was only looking at his stats this morning when the story broke, his effectiveness when he got the ball has whittled down a bit from his Pittsburgh days.
In Pittsburgh he was averaging 4.4 yards per carry, whereas it's just 3.3 in NY (Gore is 3.2 this year)
In Pittsburgh 24% of his runs went for first downs, in NY it's just 15% (Gore is 19%)

A lot of that has to do with being behind a worse offensive line, but as ya see Gore is getting similar results, for less drama and presumably less money

hots · 14-10-2020 3:30pm

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Oh bears fans know who he is alright. I wonder if he'll get a chance to implement his patented RRPP offense in New York. (That's the Run Run Pass Punt, for those not previously traumatised by it)

We generally prefer RMSRP (Run, Missed Screen, Run, Punt). Never pass on third down, no matter the scenario.

Shedite27 · 14-10-2020 3:32pm

The_Honeybadger wrote: »

Never thought it was a good deal for the Jets. A star running back is the last thing you should be adding in free agency, and only when you have all the other pieces in place. In fairness to Gase I think he pointed that out at the time as he never wanted him, and that’s not defending him for anything that came after by any means. I think Bell can still contribute somewhere, we’ll see.

Or somewhere that has lost a RB through injury (Ginats to cover Saquon?)

L.S.F · 14-10-2020 3:33pm

phatkev wrote: »

I dont know about that, Bell currently looks in great shape and he is just not been used to anywhere near his potential. Last Sundays game against Arizona is a perfect example, in the run game old man Gore only had 3 less rushes than Bell. Bell had an average of 4.6 on 13 carries while Gore had 3.3 on 10. In the passing game the Jets only have one good wr in Crowder, Bell should have featured heavily in the pass game instead he had 1 target! Whilst Jeff Smith a undrafted rookie taking off the practice squad had the second most targets behind Crowder.
Bell had a grand total of 14 touches in that game, which is a complete and utter joke and theres not much he can do about that
I think he's got a lot left in tank and look forward to seeing him do well with whatever team picks him up

This. Bell is more than just a RB, he'll rip it up elsewhere when signed and make Gase look even more a fool.

eagle eye · 14-10-2020 3:45pm

Bell won't sign for small money anywhere is my guess. I can see him being without a team for quite a while until either some team is very desperate or he realises that taking small money and proving himself is a smarter financial move for the long term.

The_Honeybadger · 14-10-2020 3:55pm

Shedite27 wrote: »

Or somewhere that has lost a RB through injury (Ginats to cover Saquon?)

Giants signed Freeman already but I think Bell would improve a lot of teams, Giants, Bears, Pats, Dolphins, even the Steelers. Trouble is his market has imploded and I’m not sure he has the appetite to play on a bargain contract. He strikes me as the kind of guy that would be happy to walk away now he has his money.

phatkev · 14-10-2020 4:10pm

hots wrote: »

We generally prefer RMSRP (Run, Missed Screen, Run, Punt). Never pass on third down, no matter the scenario.

Throw in the odd 4 and 1 "3rd string TE run" for good measure as well:(

Realt Dearg Sec · 14-10-2020 4:52pm

hots wrote: »

We generally prefer RMSRP (Run, Missed Screen, Run, Punt). Never pass on third down, no matter the scenario.

Well it sounds like you're ready for a whole different brand of predictable incompetence. It sounds like you're ready to go to the DANGER ZONE! (Not to be confused with the Red Zone or the End Zone, you won't be going to those zones with Kenny Loggains).

raze_them_all_ · 14-10-2020 11:12pm

eagle eye wrote: »

Bell won't sign for small money anywhere is my guess. I can see him being without a team for quite a while until either some team is very desperate or he realises that taking small money and proving himself is a smarter financial move for the long term.

Bell can sign anywhere for under what the jets owe him and he will double dip. So 2 million from tampa is a 8.6 million paying season

Oat23 · 14-10-2020 11:25pm

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

Bell can sign anywhere for under what the jets owe him and he will double dip. So 2 million from tampa is a 8.6 million paying season

Keep seeing links to Tampa but I don't understand why he'd go there. It'll be a deal until the end of the season wherever he goes and splitting time with Jones and Fournette doesn't seem like a great way to show you still have 'it' ahead of free agency.

Unless he is purely motivated by the chance to win a ring and thinks the Bucs have a good shot, there are far better landing spots for him.

hots · 15-10-2020 10:26am

phatkev wrote: »

Throw in the odd 4 and 1 "3rd string TE run" for good measure as well:(

*as Gore watches on with Wesgoat butchering the only thing he's good at.

hots · 15-10-2020 10:27am

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Well it sounds like you're ready for a whole different brand of predictable incompetence. It sounds like you're ready to go to the DANGER ZONE! (Not to be confused with the Red Zone or the End Zone, you won't be going to those zones with Kenny Loggains).

I'm curious to see if patton oswalt can actually do anything at all. Even his flag holding has been questionable.

15-10-2020 10:28am

What's the story with Antonio Brown these days?

The_Honeybadger · 15-10-2020 10:42am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What's the story with Antonio Brown these days?

Still suspended until after week 8, several legal cases pending. 50/50 whether he plays again tbh, I think if the legal issues were sorted out he would get picked up but teams will be very wary of bringing him in I would think.

OOnegative · 15-10-2020 10:45am

The_Honeybadger wrote: »

Still suspended until after week 8, several legal cases pending. 50/50 whether he plays again tbh, I think if the legal issues were sorted out he would get picked up but teams will be very wary of bringing him in I would think.

He ruined what should have been a HOF career.

Guffy · 15-10-2020 8:28pm

The_Honeybadger wrote: »

Still suspended until after week 8, several legal cases pending. 50/50 whether he plays again tbh, I think if the legal issues were sorted out he would get picked up but teams will be very wary of bringing him in I would think.

Is it week 8 or 8 games from when he signs?

The_Honeybadger · 15-10-2020 9:28pm

Guffy wrote: »

Is it week 8 or 8 games from when he signs?

Saw conflicting reports but afaik it’s 8 games whether he is with a team or not, so I think he is technically eligible after week eight. He has a sexual assault civil case pending however. If he loses that he is surely back on the exempt list and done for good.

Itssoeasy · 15-10-2020 11:39pm

Leveon bell is singing with the Kansas City chiefs according to nfl network.

The_Honeybadger · 16-10-2020 12:30am

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Leveon bell is singing with the Kansas City chiefs according to nfl network.

Great signing for both sides. I’m sure he can still get running yards in the right scheme but where the Chiefs will really benefit is that he is an excellent pass blocker and receiving back. Reid will find all sorts of uses for him

He and Chris Jones are apparently great friends too

Xavi6 · 16-10-2020 12:32am

Pretty happy about this, lightens the load for CEH and adds another dynamic piece to the offense.

BonnieSituation · 16-10-2020 12:50am

I hope he runs amok on Week 8.

eagle eye · 16-10-2020 2:30am

If you are not up to much, high school football on ESPN 2. Isidore Newman Quarterback is Arch Manning, 16 year old grandson of Archie, son of Cooper.

Third generation and he looks decent.

Shedite27 · 16-10-2020 8:25am

eagle eye wrote: »

If you are not up to much, high school football on ESPN 2. Isidore Newman Quarterback is Arch Manning, 16 year old grandson of Archie, son of Cooper.

Third generation and he looks decent.

SI did a long read on him earlier this year
https://www.si.com/high-school/2020/02/11/arch-manning-next-generation-eli-peyton

eagle eye · 16-10-2020 1:09pm

Shedite27 wrote:

SI did a long read on him earlier this year

He's going places, there'll be a lot of colleges after him.

eagle eye · 16-10-2020 1:11pm

On Bell, if anybody can get him back to where he was it's Andy Reid.
I'm not so sure about him though. He might be a bit of a problem child now.

Silver-Tiger · 16-10-2020 3:16pm

eagle eye wrote: »

On Bell, if anybody can get him back to where he was it's Andy Reid.
I'm not so sure about him though. He might be a bit of a problem child now.

His body doesn't seem able for it either. Despite his year break. He was a violent runner in his first 5 years in Pittsburgh. Looks to be catching up now.

mikemac2 · 17-10-2020 6:04am

The Bengals kicked a last minute field goal against the Ravens for a final score of 27-3. A bit pointless to kick a FG but they did and got a score

The Ravens defensive coordinator took exception to this by shouting across at the Bengals coaches and now vows revenge.

I know baseball is far worse for this, I’ll never get the American sports obsession with unwritten rules

He knew what it was because it was awful quiet when I yelled it across the field. There are some people that take that as a victory. We’ll see. We’ll have plenty to talk about the next time we play them.”

Realt Dearg Sec · 17-10-2020 8:48am

mikemac2 wrote: »

The Bengals kicked a last minute field goal against the Ravens for a final score of 27-3. A bit pointless to kick a FG but they did and got a score

The Ravens defensive coordinator took exception to this by shouting across at the Bengals coaches and now vows revenge.

I know baseball is far worse for this, I’ll never get the American sports obsession with unwritten rules

In fairness that's pathetic. They just didn't want to go in with no score. Not sure how you could interpret that as a slight unless you're a cnuut.

BizzyC · 19-10-2020 9:52am

Yeah, getting a shutout is a badge of honour for a Defence, can see why the Ravens D would be mad they lost it but you cant be mad at the other team for actually trying to get some points....otherwise whats the point in having them show up at all...

el Fenomeno · 20-10-2020 6:41pm

Dolphins have named Tua the starter. I'm a bit flabbergasted, as Fitz was in the form of his career going back a good 16 games. I get its the bye week, and Tua was always going to take over eventually, but I think it's a bad decision given Fitzpatrick's form. Plus, have a somewhat legit shot at a wildcard.

Itssoeasy · 20-10-2020 6:42pm

Tua has been named the starting QB in Miami. It had to happen at some point but is after about two minutes against a god awful jets team in garbage time the time to do it ?

eagle eye · 20-10-2020 6:57pm

Will they let Fitz go for free. I'm sure he'll get a starting job somewhere else with the form he's shown so far. Rams, niners, Jags, Vikings could all do with help.

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