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  • #152
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    The forum seems to now be getting dumps of links that target LGBTQ people... Seems to be quickly become a place for the worst of posters to rant in the worst possible way rather than actually discuss anything.


  • #153
    Discodog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,916 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    As the one who originally asked for this forum (awaits the abuse :pac:) I have a couple of thoughts:

    There is a problem where a new poster appears & raises issues that have already been covered. This cause a huge amount of repetition because they haven't read the thread.

    I think that embedded videos should be banned. Links are fine but, for example, the Greyhound thread has the same videos being posted over & over again & quoted.

    By the way I predict lots of animal/dog threads. The rules & moderation in API will make people post in CA


  • #154
    Il Fascista
    Closed Accounts Posts: 199 ✭✭Il Fascista


    batgoat wrote: »
    The forum seems to now be getting dumps of links that target LGBTQ people... Seems to be quickly become a place for the worst of posters to rant in the worst possible way rather than actually discuss anything.


    There's literally two active threads on the topic out of about 21 threads on the front page. The irony here is that it's you who would rather these topics weren't discussed, unless of course it's discussed on your own terms.


  • #155
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    Discodog wrote: »
    As the one who originally asked for this forum (awaits the abuse :pac:) I have a couple of thoughts:

    There is a problem where a new poster appears & raises issues that have already been covered. This cause a huge amount of repetition because they haven't read the thread.

    I think that embedded videos should be banned. Links are fine but, for example, the Greyhound thread has the same videos being posted over & over again & quoted.

    By the way I predict lots of animal/dog threads. The rules & moderation in API will make people post in CA

    Embedded videos being banned would be great, also some discussions simply aren't discussions. It's users laughing at "Libtards", it's just not conducive to the forum working if standards drop to that level. Also simply dropping a link without comment as a way of starting a thread should be off limits, the user expresses no opinion so what's the point?


  • #156
    osarusan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,692 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    Yeah, 'argument by multiple youtube video dump' isn't very attractive.


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  • #157
    Discodog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,916 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    osarusan wrote: »
    Yeah, 'argument by multiple youtube video dump' isn't very attractive.

    On the Greyhound thread the same user has posted the same video several times & even joked about it.


  • #158
    Gatling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    batgoat wrote: »
    Embedded videos bring banned would be great,

    Not necessarily banning videos is the way to go a simple do not re quote videos stickied on each thread ,
    They do something similar in the car forums with photos
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  • #159
    Omackeral
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    batgoat wrote: »
    Some discussions simply aren't discussions. It's users laughing at "Libtards", it's just not conducive to the forum working if standards drop to that level.

    That goes the other way as well if we're being honest. A couple of posters do it but say ''the alt-right right'' or ''conservatives''.
    batgoat wrote: »
    Also simply dropping a link without comment as a way of starting a thread should be off limits, the user expresses no opinion so what's the point?

    Absolutely agree 110%. It's weak and it's certainly not a higher level of posting, as was envisioned for the new forum when compared with After Hours.


  • #160
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    Gatling wrote: »
    Not necessarily banning videos is the way to go a simple do not re quote videos stickied on each thread ,
    They do something similar in the car forums with photos

    And requiring a poster to actually post some points alongside the video. At moment there are posters who more often than not, post a video with an inane remark.


  • #161
    Gatling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    batgoat wrote: »
    And requiring a poster to actually post some points alongside the video. At moment there are posters who more often than not, post a video with an inane remark.

    Seen something similar where a poster opened several threads (not here ) with social media news dumps but zero discussion or other contributions .
    I'd like a minimum post count to access CA too
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  • #162
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,136 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Youtube clip without a summary of the pertinent points in it should be a no-no. 2 or more videos in the one post should be out full stop.


  • #163
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Thing is if a video etc is not relevant or off topic it's just a case of bringing this up. No big issue tbh.

    Tbh most stuff Ive seen posted in this forum usually comes with commentary. I reckon a bigger issue with CA / IMHO is going to be the rise of soapboxing and similar from a small number of perennial diehards. Especially where there is an axe to grind or where it is not permitted to post certain kinds of stuff in other forums etc. Just my 2 cents though.


  • #164
    Discodog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,916 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    Odhinn wrote: »
    Youtube clip without a summary of the pertinent points in it should be a no-no. 2 or more videos in the one post should be out full stop.

    So not this then :pac: ?

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=110804725&postcount=2023

    I can't see why posters have to embed. That posts takes up a lot of space on my widescreen monitor. Then people quote & include the video as if people haven't already seen it.


  • #165
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    I don't envy the mods in CA as it's becoming a cess pit. I really think the level of debate is stifling any real discussion. For instance in relation to any points made this is the response:
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    https://youtu.be/GOV8NlSFK0c

    Post reported by the way. There's many like that.


  • #166
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    I don't envy the mods in CA as it's becoming a cess pit. I really think the level of debate is stifling any real discussion. For instance in relation to any points made this is the response:



    Post reported by the way. There's many like that.

    That particular user has done it numerous times in spite of mod warnings as well.


  • #167
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Discodog wrote: »
    So not this then :pac: ?

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=110804725&postcount=2023

    I can't see why posters have to embed. That posts takes up a lot of space on my widescreen monitor. Then people quote & include the video as if people haven't already seen it.
    Ugh how petty.


  • #168
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Discodog wrote: »

    I think that embedded videos should be banned. Links are fine but, for example, the Greyhound thread has the same videos being posted over & over again & quoted.

    By the way I predict lots of animal/dog threads. The rules & moderation in API will make people post in CA


    I think this approach is too anal. We should try to just not let little things bother us and be personable.

    I think one dog thread /animal thread is enough imo.


    Quote:
    Originally Posted by steddyeddy View Post
    I don't envy the mods in CA as it's becoming a cess pit. I really think the level of debate is stifling any real discussion. For instance in relation to any points made this is the response:



    Post reported by the way. There's many like that.
    I think its going swimmingly for the most part in most threads people are getting along fine.

    With the odd exception the removal of such issues from AH is making people take things less personally.

    And Ah is much more fun now


  • #169
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    I think its going swimmingly for the most part in most threads people are getting along fine.

    With the odd exception the removal of such issues from AH is making people take things less personally.

    And Ah is much more fun now :)

    It's definitely a good forum and I think the split gives each forum more character.


  • #170
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    It's definitely a good forum and I think the split gives each forum more character.
    Agreed. :)

    Brilliant idea! And it was discodog who requested it! Well done!


  • #171
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Well done Discodog!


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  • #172
    Outlaw Pete
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    I don't envy the mods in CA as it's becoming a cess pit. I really think the level of debate is stifling any real discussion. For instance in relation to any points made this is the response:

    Post reported by the way. There's many like that.

    You're hardly in a position to be calling out other users for stifling real discussion now tbf given that you yourself have made posts like this one which are clearly designed to rile those on the thread who disagree with you. Insulting users doesn't equate to real discussion anymore than the post which you highlighted does.

    Personally I think the forum is doing just fine. There's always going to be teething issues but they're are likely to be worked out. I just hope there's not a huge overcorrection in an effort to appease the squeaky wheels, as we already have the likes of the politics forum where users can go if frank exchanges of views are not for them or they have YTCP*.

    *YouTube Clip Phobia

    If I had to be nitpicky though I would say that I thought mods could do more to try and keep threads on topic as threads become a chore to read when for 40-50 consecutive posts the discussion has had nothing remotely to do with anything in the OP.


  • #173
    mad muffin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭mad muffin


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    I don't envy the mods in CA as it's becoming a cess pit. I really think the level of debate is stifling any real discussion. For instance in relation to any points made this is the response:



    Post reported by the way. There's many like that.

    It was the perfect reply to your asinine post.
    steddyeddy wrote: »
    You see the problem is Muffin what you guys call real news isn't verified. It's like you making a point based on something your wife told you. The rest of the news outlets to some degree verify their news. Also some of you guys obsessed with American politics (I actually work there) are conspiracy theorists and claim everyone is out to get you including the media.

    And that wasn’t the first time you attacked me and my wife.
    And yours was also reported but surprise surprise. 0 has been done about it
    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Ask your wife Muffin you seem to be basing everything on conversations you've had with her.

    You seem to have a fixation with my wife…


  • #174
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    mad muffin wrote: »
    It was the perfect reply to your asinine post.



    And that wasn’t the first time you attacked me and my wife.
    And yours was also reported but surprise surprise. 0 has been done about it



    You seem to have a fixation with my wife…

    Well actually Muffin it's not an attack, but an observation. You bring your wife into several posts regarding opinion.


  • #175
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    You're hardly in a position to be calling out other users for stifling real discussion now tbf given that you yourself have made posts like this one which are clearly designed to rile those on the thread who disagree with you. Insulting users doesn't equate to real discussion anymore than the post which you highlighted does.

    Personally I think the forum is doing just fine. There's always going to be teething issues but they're are likely to be worked out. I just hope there's not a huge overcorrection in an effort to appease the squeaky wheels, as we already have the likes of the politics forum where users can go if frank exchanges of views are not for them or they have YTCP*.

    *YouTube Clip Phobia

    If I had to be nitpicky though I would say that I thought mods could do more to try and keep threads on topic as threads become a chore to read when for 40-50 consecutive posts the discussion has had nothing remotely to do with anything in the OP.

    I'm afraid that's the truth Pete. We even have to leave out things like climate change from grant applications. It's well publicised.


  • #176
    mad muffin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭mad muffin


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Well actually Muffin it's not an attack, but an observation. You bring your wife into several posts regarding opinion.

    Actually I used 1 conversation to refute a racism argument. Since then you feel the need to bring her up in a deriding manner.
    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Ask your wife Muffin you seem to be basing everything on conversations you've had with her.

    And I will reply with all the dignity post like that deserves.

    And of course my post will be deleted and I will receive a warning because you don’t like my reply.


  • #177
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    mad muffin wrote: »
    Actually I used 1 conversation to refute a racism argument. Since then you feel the need to bring her up in a deriding manner.

    But it's a fair observation no? You responded to a serious point I made with a conversation with your wife. You bring up your wife in posts I don't see how you can complain when others call out her relevance to the thread.


  • #178
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    mad muffin wrote: »
    Actually I used 1 conversation to refute a racism argument. Since then you feel the need to bring her up in a deriding manner.

    And of course my post will be deleted and I will receive a warning because you don’t like my reply.

    I think there's less of a need to feel like a victim here. I'm just looking for a robust discussion. I will take on board your feelings about this about be more careful with what I mention.


  • #179
    mad muffin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭mad muffin


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    But it's a fair observation no? You responded to a serious point I made with a conversation with your wife. You bring up your wife in posts I don't see how you can complain when others call out her relevance to the thread.
    steddyeddy wrote: »
    I think there's less of a need to feel like a victim here. I'm just looking for a robust discussion. I will take on board your feelings about this about be more careful with what I mention.

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  • #180
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    mad muffin wrote: »
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    Indeed I agree.

    You posted this in response to a poster:
    You need to seek immediate professional help

    Edit: https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=110792080&postcount=822


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  • #181
    Discodog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,916 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Indeed I agree.

    You posted this in response to a poster:



    Edit: https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=110792080&postcount=822

    I have no iron in this fire but firstly it's wrong to pull out a single past post with no context. Secondly the comment was followed with a ;)


  • #182
    mad muffin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭mad muffin


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Indeed I agree.

    You posted this in response to a poster:



    Edit: https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=110792080&postcount=822

    Oh you mean to this?
    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Not just a racist so but a thick racist.
    mad muffin wrote: »
    You need to seek immediate professional help ;)


  • #183
    Discodog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,916 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Indeed I agree.

    You posted this in response to a poster:



    Edit: https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=110792080&postcount=822

    Sorry forgot to ask. Did you report the post ?


  • #184
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    mad muffin wrote: »
    Oh you mean to this?

    Indeed I do. I actually included that in my post for context. The poster referred to Trump as thick and racist. You attacked the poster for his/her belief.


  • #185
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Discodog wrote: »
    I have no iron in this fire but firstly it's wrong to pull out a single past post with no context. Secondly the comment was followed with a ;)

    I'm not a mod but I think that adding a wink to things doesn't make them more acceptable. I actually quoted the posters he was quoting so I made a point to include the context.


  • #186
    mad muffin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭mad muffin


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Indeed I do. I actually included that in my post for context. The poster referred to Trump as thick and racist. You attacked the poster for his/her belief.

    I don’t see how I was attaching the poster. I was merely making a helpful suggestion ;)


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  • #187
    dudara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,518 ✭✭✭✭dudara


    Posters - I don’t want the squabbling and bickering that infests CA spilling over into Feedback.

    Either provide some actual Feedback or don’t post.

    dudara


  • #188
    Yer Da sells Avon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,737 ✭✭✭Yer Da sells Avon


    Do not discuss mod instructions in thread. Contact a mod directly or use the Help Desk

    dudara


  • #189
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    Basically jabs about transgender people appear to be grand in new forum which is a bit depressing to say the least.


  • #190
    Yer Da sells Avon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,737 ✭✭✭Yer Da sells Avon


    batgoat wrote: »
    Basically jabs about transgender people appear to be grand in new forum which is a bit depressing to say the least.

    Absolutely depressing. And as you can see from dudara's edit to my post, the admins and mods couldn't give a toss.


  • #191
    MrFresh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭MrFresh


    batgoat wrote: »
    Basically jabs about transgender people appear to be grand in new forum which is a bit depressing to say the least.


    Jabs? That's underselling it a bit.


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  • #192
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,139 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »
    Absolutely depressing. And as you can see from dudara's edit to my post, the admins and mods couldn't give a toss.

    i'm sure they do care, but they can't be expected to step in everytime someone posts something we disagree with or find offensive. even if it is transphobic bigots who IMO should be given every bit of roap possible and shown up for what they are.
    people are perfectly capable of debunking transphobic, homophobic or racist nonsense themselves and they should do so. the types posting that crap eventually run off in a huff or get banned anyway.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words.



  • #193
    Gatling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    MrFresh wrote: »
    Jabs? That's underselling it a bit.

    That the pedophile thread where some bloke with a thing for young girls is masquerading as a woman
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  • #194
    Yer Da sells Avon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,737 ✭✭✭Yer Da sells Avon


    end of the road wrote: »
    i'm sure they do care, but they can't be expected to step in everytime someone posts something we disagree with or find offensive. even if it is transphobic bigots who IMO should be given every bit of roap possible and shown up for what they are.
    people are perfectly capable of debunking transphobic, homophobic or racist nonsense themselves and they should do so. the types posting that crap eventually run off in a huff or get banned anyway.

    I think they can be expected to step in when a post that blatantly breaches their own charter is reported. Or they could at least explain why they've chosen not to act upon the report.


  • #195
    Gatling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »
    I'd prefer to hear an explanation as to why a post that breaks their own rules is deemed acceptable.

    What rule or rules exactly
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  • #196
    Yer Da sells Avon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,737 ✭✭✭Yer Da sells Avon


    Gatling wrote: »
    What rule or rules exactly

    The post I reported referred to transgender people as not being 'normal' or 'sane'. Apart from breaking the 'guiding principle' of the charter (i.e. deliberately being a dick), describing an already-marginalised group like that is a blatant breach of the rules:
    Do not post any material that you know or should know is hateful, abusive, harassing, false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, vulgar, obscene, profane, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or illegal.

    You are free to express your views in a forceful manner provided you remain civil. Hate speech, insults, and purposely inflammatory remarks (i.e., trolling) will not be tolerated. Do not post threats or state or imply that any individual or group is deserving of harm. If we tell you to refrain from behaviour that we regard as uncivil, or that in our view detracts from a productive discussion, do so or face revocation of your posting privileges.

    No offence to either of you, but I'd rather have this discussion with a mod. For some reason, they don't seem to want to defend their inaction.


  • #197
    dudara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,518 ✭✭✭✭dudara


    Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »
    Absolutely depressing. And as you can see from dudara's edit to my post, the admins and mods couldn't give a toss.
    Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »
    I think they can be expected to step in when a post that blatantly breaches their own charter is reported. Or they could at least explain why they've chosen not to act upon the report.
    Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »
    I'd prefer to hear an explanation as to why a post that breaks their own rules is deemed acceptable. Maybe an admin or mod could do that.

    I was out today and not actively monitoring the forum. I have just spent the last 90 mins reviewing Reported Posts and taking action as I see fit. To give you a flavour of what I have dealt with - I have removed potentially defamatory references, I have followed up on suspected spammers and duplicate accounts, I have responded to various PMs and I have spoken with two posters who have a long running argument.

    I am sorry that no other Admin/Mod acted on the reported post until now. I have now issued a warning, but it has taken me all of 90 minutes to get through the stack of reported posts and get to your particular report.

    While I wish we could respond to everything immediately, it is not always possible.


  • #198
    Yer Da sells Avon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,737 ✭✭✭Yer Da sells Avon


    dudara wrote: »
    While I wish we could respond to everything immediately, it is not always possible.

    Don't beat yourself up - you had my first post on here redacted within an impressive eight minutes.

    There are twelve mods and two cmods. If I had just reported that post and left it at that, rather than banging on about it here (and in Help Desk), I find it very hard to believe that any action would have been taken.


  • #199
    dudara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,518 ✭✭✭✭dudara


    Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »
    Don't beat yourself up - you had my first post on here redacted within an impressive eight minutes.

    Because you responded to a mod instruction in thread which is a no-no. It was literally the first reported post in the pile that I was working through.


  • #200
    mad muffin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭mad muffin


    How in the ever loving name of god there is a trump bashing thread in The politics forum that is up to number 6. So thousands and thousands of trump bashing posts. And all his hunky dory.

    I post a satirical. Video in the aoc thread on ac about aoc, in response to a posters question and it gets censored.

    With you know I don’t even have to say it…

    YouTube dump. Lol.

    I mean you guys don’t even try to hide your bias.

    Trump putting journalists lives at risk. Lol. Because of a dispute that started in 2012? Lol.


  • #201
    Tokyo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,655 ✭✭✭✭Tokyo


    mad muffin wrote: »
    YouTube dump. Lol.

    Signal to noise. The absolute vast majority of your replies in CA/IMHO are youtube videos with absolutely no post associated it whatsoever. I know that CA/IMHO as a lower standard of posting than say, Politics, but it's still a discussion site - we expect some form of actual discussion to take place.


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