Ireland Team Talk XI: Team of nervoUS MOD warning Post 1

CMcsporty · 26-11-2020 12:46pm

Buer wrote: »

Is it? He had two specific involvements which led to a try being scored and a try not being scored.

I'm not referencing his general play overall which was a symptom of what was happening inside him. Trucking it up in general play is not something I'm going to hold against him.

Missing a tackle on turnover ball which ends up in a try and failing to ground a ball against a single defender is absolutely on him. Those were two key moments which I'd identify as his opportunities to stand out. Killing an attack on turnover ball and scoring a try would be two key moments on both sides of the ball and, when the game reviews happen, you can be sure they're being looked at.

Yes that is a different analysis to the point you were making about gain line.
You were critiquing his performance specifically on the amount of carries and lack of gain line.
That is a gameplan issue and complete system failure.

Thats not on Farrell - so yes that it is grossly unfair.

To your other points about the missed tackle on May - Yes he will rightly put his hand up.
But i would also point out the brilliant piece of footwork by May
I was more concerned with Earls not biting in when May put it under his left arm and then getting scorched.
https://www.the42.ie/ireland-england-lineout-twickenham-5275283-Nov2020/ed.

I cant recall the killing the ball incident - when was that?
(i probably missed it because i was so dejected by what Ireland brought to the game)

Buer · 26-11-2020 12:46pm

TRC10 wrote: »

If you're immediately writing off anyone who has been skinned by Jonny May, then you're writing off a lot of world class players.

Very easy to criticise someone for getting held up but it was excellent defence. Not sure what more he could have done.

He was skinned by a world class attacker. But this is the level he's playing at. He doesn't get a pass because of it; he needs to make those tackles and he was in a perfect position to do so. I very much doubt he's giving himself a pass on it.

What more could he have done for grounding the ball? Probably grounding it, for a start. Slade did excellently but Farrell is a huge man. He was going over the line, face down and was flipped entirely onto his back. The advantage is always with the attacker there. Again, I would imagine Farrell is disappointed with himself there. The hardest part was gathering the bobbling ball.

shootermacg · 26-11-2020 12:49pm

Buer wrote: »

He was skinned by a world class attacker. But this is the level he's playing at. He doesn't get a pass because of it; he needs to make those tackles and he was in a perfect position to do so. I very much doubt he's giving himself a pass on it.

What more could he have done for grounding the ball? Probably grounding it, for a start. Slade did excellently but Farrell is a huge man. He was going over the line, face down and was flipped entirely onto his back. The advantage is always with the attacker there. Again, I would imagine Farrell is disappointed with himself there. The hardest part was gathering the bobbling ball.

Should we then say that Cian Healy shouldn't be getting held up either?

Buer · 26-11-2020 12:51pm

CMcsporty wrote: »

Yes that is a different analysis to the point you were making about gain line.
You were critiquing his performance specifically on the amount of carries and lack of gain line.
That is a gameplan issue and complete system failure.

Thats not on Farrell - so yes that it is grossly unfair.

I wasn't critiquing his performance on his carrying. My point about the gain line was purely in response to the poster who claimed he was one of the few players regularly getting over it and highlighting that this wasn't actually the case. I also acknowledged he was being served poorly by those inside him.

My points regarding opportunities and those two moments were a separately made point.

Buer · 26-11-2020 12:54pm

shootermacg wrote: »

Should we then say that Cian Healy shouldn't be getting held up either?

I can't recall the specific incident but if Healy was held up in a similar situation then of course he should be grounding it.

shootermacg · 26-11-2020 1:01pm

Buer wrote: »

I can't recall the specific incident but if Healy was held up in a similar situation then of course he should be grounding it.

Slade isn't a small man either. A lot of people seem to think he's smaller than he actually is. I would say over 100Kg and 6'3 isn't exactly a pushover.

TRC10 · 26-11-2020 1:11pm

Former Former Former wrote: »

He wasn't skinned by him though, Farrell was exactly where he needed to be to make the tackle, he just didn't execute it.

Farrell is a decent player but once either Henshaw or Ringrose is back, he'll be squad depth again, he's just not at the same level.

You realise the two players you have named have both missed tackles which led to tries (Ringrose v Wales 2019, Henshaw v Aus 2018). And both have either been held up over the line or failed to ground the ball (Ringrose v France 2019, Henshaw v NZ 2019)

Buer · 26-11-2020 1:14pm

shootermacg wrote: »

Slade isn't a small man either. A lot of people seem to think he's smaller than he actually is. I would say over 100Kg and 6'3 isn't exactly a pushover.

I would say over 100kg is also not true. How many websites did you need to consult to find that figure?! :pac:

He's listed as 87kg by the RFU and 96kg by Exeter Chiefs.

CMcsporty · 26-11-2020 1:18pm

Buer wrote: »

I've seen this raised a few times. Farrell had several solid carries in the second half when we had our purple patch and were making yards. Outside of that, he struggled with ball in hand. He was repeatedly stopped or knocked back. I'm a huge Farrell fan and he was dealing with terrible attacking alignment but I was still disappointed with his production. Normally, he's so powerful that he can force his way over the gain line even with a defender in his face. He had 15 carries for 17m so he certainly wasn't getting over the gain line with any real success.

His two most memorable moments in the game were negative. He was scorched on the outside by May for the second try and he then failed to ground a ball when he was held up by a guy who is 15kg lighter than him.

Farrell is an excellent player but if he has any ambition to break past the trio of centres ahead of him, he's going to need to take his opportunities far more accurately than he did against England.

1st part in bold is grossly unfair.

2nd part in bold is also is. He had 1 Opportunity - He was held up by a guy grabbing his arms. Good defense.
Yes an opportunity missed. Fair point....
But give him a break!

The amount of stick Farrell gets (particularly because he is big) is totally unjustified.

The massive concern is the way Ireland went out to play.
How did they try to utilise him?
By getting a 6ft 4 guy to smash that English defence!
To get him to dive onto grubbers!
Worrying

TomsOnTheRoof · 26-11-2020 1:31pm

Not looking to start an argument but I'm constantly seeing people claiming Ringrose is world class and I have to disagree. He's an excellent player and is a shining star in Leinster's backline but I can't really think of that many occasions where he's ripped it up in a green jersey. He makes the odd half break and his defence is good but I've yet to see any real consistency in his performances. Now having said that I do believe he should be our starting 13 and he is useful as a second receiver but I think there's definitely an element of people over embellishing his abilities.

Jump_In_Jack · 26-11-2020 1:33pm

CMcsporty wrote: »

1st part in bold is grossly unfair.

2nd part in bold is also is. He had 1 Opportunity - He was held up by a guy grabbing his arms. Good defense.
Yes an opportunity missed. Fair point....
But give him a break!

The amount of stick Farrell gets (particularly because he is big) is totally unjustified.

The massive concern is the way Ireland went out to play.
How did they try to utilise him?
By getting a 6ft 4 guy to smash that English defence!
To get him to dive onto grubbers!
Worrying

6'3" in every online resource I could find.

theVersatile · 26-11-2020 1:33pm

15. Jacob Stockdale (Lurgan/Ulster) 31 caps
14. Hugo Keenan (UCD/Leinster) 4 caps
13. Chris Farrell (Young Munster/Munster) 12 caps
12. Stuart McCloskey (Bangor/Ulster) 3 caps
11. Keith Earls (Young Munster/Munster) 86 caps
10. Billy Burns (UIster) 2 caps
9. Conor Murray (Garryowen/Munster) 85 caps

1. Finlay Bealham (Buccaneers/Connacht) 13 caps
2. Rob Herring (Ballynahinch/Ulster) 14 caps
3. Andrew Porter (UCD/Leinster) 30 caps
4. Iain Henderson (Academy/Ulster) 56 caps
5. James Ryan (UCD/Leinster) 30 caps Captain
6. Tadhg Beirne (Lansdowne/Munster) 16 caps
7. Will Connors (Leinster/UCD) 4 caps
8. CJ Stander (Shannon/Munster) 44 caps

Replacements
16. Dave Heffernan (Buccaneers/Connacht) 4 caps
17. Cian Healy (Clontarf/Leinster) 102 caps
18. John Ryan (Cork Constitution/Munster) 21 caps
19. Quinn Roux (Galwegians/Connacht) 14 caps
20. Peter O’Mahony (Cork Constitution/Munster) 71 caps
21. Kieran Marmion (Corinthians/Connacht) 27 caps
22. Ross Byrne (UCD/Leinster) 9 caps
23. Shane Daly (Cork Constitution/Munster) uncapped

thomond2006 · 26-11-2020 1:36pm

The team due to the lack of callups mostly picks itself but Earls starting over Daly in a game like this is difficult to understand. There's little to be gained from it.

EOS should be on the bench instead of Healy.

Nitpicking over.

Clegg · 26-11-2020 1:36pm

Porter is getting flogged.

TRC10 · 26-11-2020 1:37pm

theVersatile wrote: »

15. Jacob Stockdale (Lurgan/Ulster) 31 caps
14. Hugo Keenan (UCD/Leinster) 4 caps
13. Chris Farrell (Young Munster/Munster) 12 caps
12. Stuart McCloskey (Bangor/Ulster) 3 caps
11. Keith Earls (Young Munster/Munster) 86 caps
10. Billy Burns (UIster) 2 caps
9. Conor Murray (Garryowen/Munster) 85 caps

1. Finlay Bealham (Buccaneers/Connacht) 13 caps
2. Rob Herring (Ballynahinch/Ulster) 14 caps
3. Andrew Porter (UCD/Leinster) 30 caps
4. Iain Henderson (Academy/Ulster) 56 caps
5. James Ryan (UCD/Leinster) 30 caps Captain
6. Tadhg Beirne (Lansdowne/Munster) 16 caps
7. Will Connors (Leinster/UCD) 4 caps
8. CJ Stander (Shannon/Munster) 44 caps

Replacements
16. Dave Heffernan (Buccaneers/Connacht) 4 caps
17. Cian Healy (Clontarf/Leinster) 102 caps
18. John Ryan (Cork Constitution/Munster) 21 caps
19. Quinn Roux (Galwegians/Connacht) 14 caps
20. Peter O’Mahony (Cork Constitution/Munster) 71 caps
21. Kieran Marmion (Corinthians/Connacht) 27 caps
22. Ross Byrne (UCD/Leinster) 9 caps
23. Shane Daly (Cork Constitution/Munster) uncapped

The mind boggles as to why we are starting a 34 year old on the wing against Georgia in the closest thing to a meaningless game you'll ever get in international rugby.

Why not give Lowe a chance to build his confidence? Or throw Daly in there? What are we going to learn about Earl's against Georgia. Dont get me wrong, hes a legend and I love the guy but we'd gain so much more from seeing Lowe or Daly at 11.

Jump_In_Jack · 26-11-2020 1:40pm

TRC10 wrote: »

The mind boggles as to why we are starting a 34 year old on the wing against Georgia in the closest thing to a meaningless game you'll ever get in international rugby.

Why not give Lowe a chance to build his confidence? Or throw Daly in there? What are we going to learn about Earl's against Georgia. Dont get me wrong, hes a legend and I love the guy but we'd gain so much more from seeing Lowe or Daly at 11.

He just turned 33 last month

its_phil · 26-11-2020 1:41pm

Finlay has been going great but how is he playing loose head? Against Georgia of all bloody teams.

He’s a tight head.

Would have preferred Ultan over Quinn but hopefully we get Ultan back for Ospreys now.

Jump_In_Jack · 26-11-2020 1:43pm

its_phil wrote: »

Finlay has been going great but how is he playing loose head? Against Georgia of all bloody teams.

He’s a tight head.

Would have preferred Ultan over Quinn but hopefully we get Ultan back for Ospreys now.

Bealham gave an interview in the last day or so, he was preparing to cover loose-head all along, as the same thing happened back in 2016.

https://www.irishrugby.ie/2020/11/26/bealham-its-an-opportunity-to-test-ourselves-against-a-quality-pack/

bilston · 26-11-2020 1:48pm

Has Daly played wing a lot? I've only ever seen him at FB. Obviously most FBs can play wing these days anyway so I assume he can.

sydthebeat · 26-11-2020 1:50pm

Reasonably understandable team considering where we are at with our development. Bealham at LH is showing just how shallow we are there, might be just too soon for EOS considering he's only had what, 4 days ago far with the squad.

Delighted to see SMCC in there, him and farrell with eat that Georgian midfield for breakfast.

Delighted to see daly named on the bench too. Hopefully he gets some meaningful minutes.

That's some backrow for turning the ball over!!

Ireland by 30 ish

Jump_In_Jack · 26-11-2020 1:51pm

I reckon Earls is likely to shift in to 13 for Daly to come onto the left wing.
I'd rather see Daly at 13.

CMcsporty · 26-11-2020 1:52pm

its_phil wrote: »

Finlay has been going great but how is he playing loose head? Against Georgia of all bloody teams.

He’s a tight head.

Would have preferred Ultan over Quinn but hopefully we get Ultan back for Ospreys now.

A tighthead playing loosehead
A secondrow playing backrow - im fine with that!
A winger playing fullback
A fullback playing winger
A right winger playing left wing

What business does 33 year old Earls have playing & at Left wing? When our best Left winger is been played out of position at FB??

And Healy over O'Sullivan?
Murray back at 9?
Daly a ready made FB on the bench for Georgia?

I couldnt have picked a worse team if I tried!

Jump_In_Jack · 26-11-2020 1:53pm

bilston wrote: »

Has Daly played wing a lot? I've only ever seen him at FB. Obviously most FBs can play wing these days anyway so I assume he can.

He played left wing a bit too for Munster, has pace to burn and good composure for a youngster.

TRC10 · 26-11-2020 1:54pm

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

He just turned 33 last month

Apologies 33. Point still stands though

Jump_In_Jack · 26-11-2020 2:03pm

TRC10 wrote: »

Apologies 33. Point still stands though

I agree with your point actually, just that's the second post I saw adding an extra year onto him.
To be fair to Earls, he still has a bit of zip.
I'd give him one more 6 nations squad call-up but after that the youngsters must be preferred with an eye on being ready for the next World Cup.

ionadnapokot · 26-11-2020 2:06pm

CMcsporty wrote: »

A tighthead playing loosehead
A secondrow playing backrow - im fine with that!
A winger playing fullback
A fullback playing winger
A right winger playing left wing

What business does 33 year old Earls have playing & at Left wing? When our best Left winger is been played out of position at FB??

And Healy over O'Sullivan?
Murray back at 9?
Daly a ready made FB on the bench for Georgia?

I couldnt have picked a worse team if I tried!

This is a bit of a joke now.
Shocked that they put Earls in at 11 & Stockdale at FB.
No Eric O'Sullivan?
Burns! Byrne deserved another go.

I've said it before and ill say it again. Harry Byrne and Casey should be in that squad.
& why not Baird?
Whats going on with Conway?

irishbucsfan · 26-11-2020 2:06pm

Not a particularly inspiring team. Bealham at loose head seems a particularly wasteful selection.

No issue with the rest of the pack or the half backs but the back line is all over the place for me. Same problems in midfield, asking Burns to do a huge amount as the only real playmaker in the back line, back 3 is meh (absolutely love Earls but what do we gain from him there, fitness for him maybe?)

Niallof9 · 26-11-2020 2:09pm

what an awful waste of time and an opportunity missed. a joke of a squad. and if anybody seriously suggested this team, people would have laughed at them. whats the point?

CMcsporty · 26-11-2020 2:13pm

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

I agree with your point actually, just that's the second post I saw adding an extra year onto him.
To be fair to Earls, he still has a bit of zip.
I'd give him one more 6 nations squad call-up but after that the youngsters must be preferred with an eye on being ready for the next World Cup.

He’s done at the top level. May blew him away last week.
Unbelievably short sighted having him in this team.

33 year old wingers do not survive at elite level.
Bowe
Trimble
Horgan
Hickie
Murphy
All done by 33 or beforehand

What are they expecting from Earls over Daly or blooming Stockdale

Niallof9 · 26-11-2020 2:15pm

nobody can defend this selection. nobody. Doris needed another run at 8. Porter is being flogged. Healy on the bench. Murray at 9. lack of new caps. Keenan over Daly. I'd go as far to suggest this is the worst its ever been. It's a nadir for Irish rugby and i probably won't watch this. This team will beat Georgia by about 50 points and come the 6 nations we will be no better for it.France have eleven debutants in their squad to play Italy. A wasted opportunity and i have no idea what Farrell is doing. Should have been shown the door after Japan or kept on as defensive coach, cause he isn't the answer. **** me i'm raging. i was hoping i'd be wrong.

sydthebeat · 26-11-2020 2:19pm

CMcsporty wrote: »

He’s done at the top level. May blew him away last week.
Unbelievably short sighted having him in this team.

33 year old wingers do not survive at elite level.
Bowe
Trimble
Horgan
Hickie
Murphy
All done by 33 or beforehand

What are they expecting from Earls over Daly or blooming Stockdale

Brian habana was happily scoring test tries at the age of 33

Solutionking · 26-11-2020 2:20pm

Im confused
Porter? why not give Marty Moore a shot he was incredible before the move to England and has looked decent, is he fit? or Eric O'Sullivan
Murray? it would have made sense to start him last week for experience beside a young 10 but makes zero sense against a Tier 2. Start Marmion or give JGP another shot
Earls? great player but really do we need him in this match, he is 33 and we need to find a replacement
Keenan has started every game and we know what he can do, Daly we don't, start him
Beirne at 6 I don't understand, when was the last time he started a big game for Munster at 6?

I think it is time we ring Joe and tell him all is forgiven please come back

Solutionking · 26-11-2020 2:22pm

sydthebeat wrote: »

Brian habana was happily scoring test tries at the age of 33

Earls will be 36 next World Cup, this is a nothing competition against a Tier 2 team, do we really need to play him. We know exactly what he can do.

AdamD · 26-11-2020 2:22pm

Niallof9 wrote: »

nobody can defend this selection. nobody. Doris needed another run at 8. Porter is being flogged. Healy on the bench. Murray at 9. lack of new caps. Keenan over Daly. I'd go as far to suggest this is the worst its ever been. It's a nadir for Irish rugby and i probably won't watch this. This team will beat Georgia by about 50 points and come the 6 nations we will be no better for it.France have eleven debutants in their squad to play Italy. A wasted opportunity and i have no idea what Farrell is doing. Should have been shown the door after Japan or kept on as defensive coach, cause he isn't the answer. **** me i'm raging. i was hoping i'd be wrong.

Does that mean you'll stop posting?

Burkie1203 · 26-11-2020 2:23pm

That's a terrible selection. I thought AF had got a good balance in recent weeks but this is just nonsense.

Dubinusa · 26-11-2020 2:25pm

Got to say that I am a bit disappointed. Perfect opportunity for Daly to get a start! Earls has had his time and it's now time to move on to this upcoming rwc cycle.
Very disappointed that EOS is not in the 23. Another missed opportunity imo.
We should tonk Georgia fairly easily and I don't think we have made the most of the opportunity.
I am happy to see Beirne at blindside. I think he could be a beast here going forward. Also happy for Stu. Well deserved and I hope AF rolls the dice and keeps him for the Scotland match.
Healy and Porter are being flogged. Healy could have been rested and EOS could have benched. Porter is a lot younger, so maybe not an issue.
I think this was a going to be an introduction for a couple of new players, but since we can't get our setpiece set up and working, it's obviously a training exercise for Ryan etc.
We won't learn much from this match. I suppose we will win fairly comfortably and maybe get out l/o wotking.

CMcsporty · 26-11-2020 2:27pm

sydthebeat wrote: »

Brian habana was happily scoring test tries at the age of 33

If you are trying to compare Habana to Earls I think you are missing the point here for the Georgia game.

Btw Habana was 32 at the 2015 WC and retired a year later

Clegg · 26-11-2020 2:28pm

Blindside is the position where Beirne has the best chance of starting games. As long as Henderson and Ryan are fit Beirne will always be third choice. And I suspect Baird will quickly usurp that role too.

Beirne has a lot of qualities, but his relative lack of power makes me think he'd be better off in the backrow long term.

yerrahbah · 26-11-2020 2:29pm

Lowe and Conway injured

https://twitter.com/CianTracey1/status/1331948811367878657

sydthebeat · 26-11-2020 2:30pm

Solutionking wrote: »

Earls will be 36 next World Cup, this is a nothing competition against a Tier 2 team, do we really need to play him. We know exactly what he can do.

Earls has played 80 mins of rugby under this new coaching set up.

Assuming Andy Farrell sees earls as being a valid selection option for next years 6 nations then maybe he wants to see how earls can play under into his systems.

Just putting that out there as a possible reason for his selection, and of course the fact he's coming back from injury so possibly needs the minutes to get fit for the Scotland game

Iamabeliever · 26-11-2020 2:30pm

Niallof9 wrote: »

nobody can defend this selection. nobody. Doris needed another run at 8. Porter is being flogged. Healy on the bench. Murray at 9. lack of new caps. Keenan over Daly. I'd go as far to suggest this is the worst its ever been. It's a nadir for Irish rugby and i probably won't watch this. This team will beat Georgia by about 50 points and come the 6 nations we will be no better for it.France have eleven debutants in their squad to play Italy. A wasted opportunity and i have no idea what Farrell is doing. Should have been shown the door after Japan or kept on as defensive coach, cause he isn't the answer.

To be fair I’d rather win by 50 points than nearly get beat by Fiji. These games are always a lose lose. They is no benefit to play in a game full of fringe players all trying to grab attention. Daly is the future no doubt but let’s see him after 55 mins and let him enjoy his first cap. Don’t understand no Conway and Lowe. Why play Doris against Georgia? He has nothing to prove. Murray needs minutes before next week and Burns coming in for his first start needs a settled nine and pack to be play behind. It is clear from last week he is the immediate back to Sexton.

awec · 26-11-2020 2:30pm

John Ryan must really be seen as an empty shirt for them to pick Porter to start again.

sydthebeat · 26-11-2020 2:31pm

CMcsporty wrote: »

If you are trying to compare Habana to Earls I think you are missing the point here for the Georgia game.

Btw Habana was 32 at the 2015 WC and retired a year later

Habana was still scoring against the all blacks in Sept 2016.

And as for missing the point...... Whoosh!!

Niallof9 · 26-11-2020 2:35pm

AdamD wrote: »

Does that mean you'll stop posting?

yeah probably cause we'll see the usual shifting of goalposts on here saying its an excellent side for a vital game against a tough opponent. And when we head into the next World cup with loads of highly paid 36/37 years olds and go out again at the QF the same argument will happen. Its never ending at this stage and yeah i'm nearly at the point of giving up debating it because some of you refuse to acknowledge the issues. going on years now.

Niallof9 · 26-11-2020 2:39pm

Iamabeliever wrote: »

To be fair I’d rather win by 50 points than nearly get beat by Fiji. These games are always a lose lose. They is no benefit to play in a game full of fringe players all trying to grab attention. Daly is the future no doubt but let’s see him after 55 mins and let him enjoy his first cap. Don’t understand no Conway and Lowe. Why play Doris against Georgia? He has nothing to prove. Murray needs minutes before next week and Burns coming in for his first start needs a settled nine and pack to be play behind. It is clear from last week he is the immediate back to Sexton.

Who's nearly getting beat by Fiji? Daly 100 per cent deserved a shot. Keenan has been ok. He got a go, but yet again it seems he's now an automatic pick somehow. Doris needs a good run at 8. Stander isn't our 8. But that debate needs settling as this farcical selection shows. A settled 9 what like Marmion or his Ulster colleague Cooney? Murray is getting a little better but it was only last season people were up in arms over him. Now its vital that he's a steady hand alongside Burns. Its a joke shop selection and nobody should be defending it.

Can anybody here say this is the team they would have predicted before this tournament? Yeah you can argue its a no win situation and thats probably the angle he's going for. But again its not about playing a B team, its about at least trying some other options. Earls needs a run perhaps, Stockdale yeah needs a run. Ryan maybe settles into his role. But thats it for me. This selection will have a fair few of the fans turrning, and if he continues this on then the pressure will start to come on if the 6 nations goes pear shaped.

CMcsporty · 26-11-2020 2:43pm

sydthebeat wrote: »

Habana was still scoring against the all blacks in Sept 2016.

And as for missing the point...... Whoosh!!

Wha??
It’s Habana - one of the greatest wingers of all time! A freak athlete!

Then there is Keith Earls......

I know why Farrell is picking him. He thinks he can do a job in the 6N.
Ridiculous stuff because he is completely missing the point for this game in particular.
BIG Picture opportunity

For 6N he has Conway 14, Stockdale 11 Not bloody 15, Lowe 11, Larmour will hopefully come back in at 15. If not he can play 14.

He should be building depth.
Even young Keenan could do with a bit of a boost after England again
Daly on the bench should be given a go at 15
Lowry should have been called up.
Baloucoune will hopefully be also available in the summer.

Earls has no business been in this side for Georgia.

Either does Healy or Murray

bilston · 26-11-2020 2:44pm

ionadnapokot wrote: »

Burns! Byrne deserved another go.

I would have thought Burns starting was absolutely fair enough?

OneLungDavy · 26-11-2020 2:45pm

Earls hasn't played much rugby, I reckon they want more game-time under his belt with Scotland in mind. Suggesting he's finshed is laughable, he's easily in the top 3 wingers in Ireland.

Former Former Former · 26-11-2020 2:45pm

bilston wrote: »

I would have thought Burns starting was absolutely fair enough?

Yeah very hard to argue that R Byrne deserves another go.

Solutionking · 26-11-2020 2:45pm

It is nice to see we are getting some of the overreactions out of the way before a ball is even kicked. Might make for some reasonable discussion after the game

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