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Beaches left in an absolute STATE....why are we a filthy nation?

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  • #102
    _Dara_
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    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    We like to think we’re this great little nation who the world loves.

    Truth is we’re not, some are decent people but a lot have no personal responsibility, no pride in their country, are of the opinion someone else should clean up after them and pay for services.

    Seems in the last 15 years the country has gone down the toilet bowl.

    Selfish is the word.

    How nice of you to grant that some of us are decent people. Very big of you. :D

    Every time I’m at the beach, I do the Two Minute Beach Clean thing. If many people got involved, it could make a big difference. Not that we shouldn’t be trying to educate people too. We can do both.


  • #103
    whisky_galore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,527 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Macy0161 wrote: »
    Stuff you can see isn't the worst problem on the beaches. It's the idiots that bury hot BBQ's a couple of cm's down that are the real menace at the moment. Or just leave a hot bbq on the ground in the shower area (as my niece witnessed in Brittas yesterday!).

    I actually wonder is it time to ban their sale, given this type of practice, and they're responsible for at least one of the recent gorse fires.

    I saw a lot of nice parks in Australia with bbqs that you could use, some of them are even free to use. Couldn't have those here, they'd be robbed or vandalised.


  • #104
    theyoungchap
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    whisky_galore wrote: »
    I saw a lot of nice parks in Australia with bbqs that you could use, some of them are even free to use. Couldn't have those here, they'd be robbed or vandalised.

    I love those and they are a great idea. The difference is they also clean them up after themselves, here it would be up to somebody else to clean up after some scrote - "why can't the council do it for me" would be the attitude.


  • #105
    splinter65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    _Dara_ wrote: »
    How nice of you to grant that some of us are decent people. Very big of you. :D

    Every time I’m at the beach, I do the Two Minute Beach Clean thing. If many people got involved, it could make a big difference. Not that we shouldn’t be trying to educate people too. We can do both.

    Point is, some citizens are decent people, some are indecent.
    The poster is absolutely correct.
    You may want, and be happy to, spend 2 minutes picking up litter, but loads of day trippers at the beach or any other public amenity simply refuse to pick up after themselves, never mind pick up after anyone else.
    That’s because they live in a world where they never ever have to do anything if it doesn’t suit them.
    Because it’s someone else’s job to do that for them.
    Once you accept that there are a large cohort of our society who live and think like that, and you accept that you are one of the people who they think should clean up after them, then the picture becomes a lot clearer, and you stop getting frustrated and annoyed.


  • #106
    facehugger99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,392 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    theyoungchap wrote: »
    I love those and they are a great idea. The difference is they also clean them up after themselves, here it would be up to somebody else to clean up after some scrote - "why can't the council do it for me" would be the attitude.

    The council have recently got rid of a designated BBQ area in the Phoenix Park.

    Apparently the amount of rubbish being left there by people was ridiculous.

    httphttps://www.dublininquirer.com/2018/05/29/outdoor-bbqs-are-now-banned-from-phoenix-park/

    People who say it's the same everywhere are talking bollox. There are certain countries where it's also a problem but Irish people are particularly dirty with very little social conscience. If you travel extensively, you'd see that. The only other place where I saw a similar attitude was French Polynesia. From talking to locals there, they suggested that there was an attitude that mother France would take care of it.

    We have a similar hangover from our colonial past


  • #107
    theyoungchap
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    Bog in Wicklow burned by a disposable BBQ.....only in Ireland would people be so irresponsible.


  • #108
    HeidiHeidi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,546 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    theyoungchap wrote: »
    Bog in Wicklow burned by a disposable BBQ.....only in Ireland would people be so irresponsible.


    Another bog burned due to a fire thought to have been started maliciously. What sort of an ignorant fúcker would you want to be to actually start a fire in weather like this?


  • #109
    gingernut79
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 961 ✭✭✭gingernut79


    theyoungchap wrote: »
    And do you really think we should pay for that rather than change a mindset? How much would a fleet of them cost our public finances?

    Less than the fleet of snowploughs that are also used once in a blue moon no doubt...


  • #110
    theyoungchap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 522 ✭✭✭theyoungchap


    gingernut79 wrote: »
    theyoungchap wrote: »
    And do you really think we should pay for that rather than change a mindset? How much would a fleet of them cost our public finances?

    Less than the fleet of snowploughs that are also used once in a blue moon no doubt...
    What fleet of snow ploughs? Most of them are attachments for the front of a truck


  • #111
    rom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,142 ✭✭✭rom


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    “Working class” areas is now a very loosely used term to what it used to mean.

    You are splitting hairs here. In areas that are less privileged the problem with litter is generally worse. But the area I live in used to have a very very bad little problem when I first moved here. Through the years and a tidy towns group that is active almost on a nightly basis has changed the perception of the area. From an area that you would get ridiculed from being from is now an area that a lot of people want to live in. There are council estates here but they are kept well. I suppose my point is that litter has a huge effect on an area but it can be changed around. Sadly there is probably the same amount of litter being dumped in the area but its cleaned up almost instantly by volunteer groups.

    There should be no refuse charges and it should be just built into tax. I would rather pay more so people don't fly tip.

    So getting back to why the bins are full at the beach. They are full as they are tiny. They are tiny as people will dump domestic waste if they are too big so only way is to have no charge on it anywhere but pay for it indirectly through taxation.


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  • #112
    facehugger99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,392 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    rom wrote: »
    There should be no refuse charges and it should be just built into tax. I would rather pay more so people don't fly tip.

    So getting back to why the bins are full at the beach. They are full as they are tiny. They are tiny as people will dump domestic waste if they are too big so only way is to have no charge on it anywhere but pay for it indirectly through taxation.

    So, narrow the tax base?


  • #113
    theyoungchap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 522 ✭✭✭theyoungchap


    rom wrote: »
    You are splitting hairs here. In areas that are less privileged the problem with litter is generally worse. But the area I live in used to have a very very bad little problem when I first moved here. Through the years and a tidy towns group that is active almost on a nightly basis has changed the perception of the area. From an area that you would get ridiculed from being from is now an area that a lot of people want to live in. There are council estates here but they are kept well. I suppose my point is that litter has a huge effect on an area but it can be changed around. Sadly there is probably the same amount of litter being dumped in the area but its cleaned up almost instantly by volunteer groups.

    There should be no refuse charges and it should be just built into tax. I would rather pay more so people don't fly tip.

    So getting back to why the bins are full at the beach. They are full as they are tiny. They are tiny as people will dump domestic waste if they are too big so only way is to have no charge on it anywhere but pay for it indirectly through taxation.

    No bloody way. We cannot just put everything on the PAYE worker. I think the government should manage the disposal of waste (to make sure we don't end up with cowboys like the lads on RTE investigates recently) but the polluter pays principle must apply - we just need people to accept that they need to pay for something for once.

    A deposit on bottles, a ban on disposable BBQ's, massive fines for dumping and not taking rubbish off the beaches, etc would be a start.


  • #114
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    So, narrow the tax base?

    Of course, sure someone else can pay for it.

    Remember the simpsons episode where homer was appointed in charge of rubbish was it?

    Can’t someone else do it!!!!


  • #115
    Del.Monte
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,363 ✭✭✭✭Del.Monte


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    Of course, sure someone else can pay for it.

    Remember the simpsons episode where homer was appointed in charge of rubbish was it?

    Can’t someone else do it!!!!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boAWFriUsMo

    ****



  • #116
    realitykeeper
    Registered Users Posts: 4,138 ✭✭✭realitykeeper


    brookers wrote: »
    How come some families dont litter and other families do, is it to do with your upbringing? i would never dream of leaving even a tissue on a beach. Are Irish people a little bit on the dirty side I wonder compared to other nations....I found when I came to Dublin first, sharing with people, I would be a lot cleaner, clean counter tops, not leave food uncovered etc yet people i lived with would leave toilets dirty, throw rubbish around, lets flies land on their food..girls were terrible for leaving mess..Wouldnt it be great if we had those guys patrolling called the eyes in the handmaid tale with big guns and if they see anybody throwing nappies and dog poo around they would be strung up on the wall for all to see....it is just all so depressing the litter.....

    I think a nation can be motivated and this can become a cultural trait. What motivates a country depends on the national conversation. The Dutch were once obsessed with building dykes to keep the sea out. The Germans were persuaded by the Nazis to go to war.

    The problem with things like litter on the beaches, the national debt and Ireland`s carbon footprint is that we do not talk about these things enough. If Joe Duffy was asked to talk about these things he would get bored. People in this country talk about institutional abuse and other sob stories. These matters, and the urban rural divide are divisive anyway so the conversation is more an argument than a common consensus.


  • #117
    Kamili
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,479 ✭✭✭Kamili


    I took a tour of Ardnacrusha power station recently and they have built a rig to pick up trash that runs the length of the dam, they fill a skip up 3 times a day of the rubbish thrown into the Shannon. Apparently something that is dumped or thrown in up at Lough Derg arrives at the powerstation within 48-72 hours.


  • #118
    BobMc
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    Interesting, I live about 2mins from power station, must hit up a tour


  • #119
    Kamili
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,479 ✭✭✭Kamili


    BobMc wrote: »
    Interesting, I live about 2mins from power station, must hit up a tour


    Off topic sorry but linky



    http://www.esb.ie/our-businesses/generation-energy-trading-new/ardnacrusha-tours


  • #120
    dr.fuzzenstein
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,620 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    Kamili wrote: »
    Off topic sorry but linky



    http://www.esb.ie/our-businesses/generation-energy-trading-new/ardnacrusha-tours

    I was there on business and they showed me around the whole thing.
    Deeply fascinating. Can only recommend.
    Mine wasn't an official tour, just the guy showing me round.


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  • #121
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,158 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    One of the biggest problem in this country is the lack of law enforcement . Nothing seems to have consequences and law breaking has no punishment or reprimand . The law might state not to litter but even if seen there are no consequences


  • #122
    BarryD2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,732 ✭✭✭BarryD2


    _Dara_ wrote: »
    Every time I’m at the beach, I do the Two Minute Beach Clean thing. If many people got involved, it could make a big difference. Not that we shouldn’t be trying to educate people too. We can do both.
    theyoungchap wrote: »
    No, but I wouldn't pick up somebody else's waste or pay to have it disposed myself. Unless it was part of a community clean up, I wouldn't do it - but if people had a sense of civic pride, I shouldn't have to do it.

    Why not, YoungChap? You started this thread, littering is clearly something that bothers you. Not all Irish people are thoughtless filthy feckers. So it helps if those who aren't, tidy a bit as they go along. Some will discard anyway but others are encouraged if they see lots of others littering, so keeping places clean encourages those on the margins to take their stuff home.
    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    One of the biggest problem in this country is the lack of law enforcement . Nothing seems to have consequences and law breaking has no punishment or reprimand . The law might state not to litter but even if seen there are no consequences

    Agree. Was at a well known coastal location yesterday, a beauty spot. Sitting on the rocks and watched a car pull up about 50 metres away and the occupants just throwing stuff out on the ground. Brazen and in broad view. I can report the reg but can/will anything be done?


  • #123
    theyoungchap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 522 ✭✭✭theyoungchap


    I shouldn't have to Barry. What we need is more enforcement and harsher punishments.

    To be honest, I think anybody caught littering should be made be available for community service involving cleaning up litter for a few days. Then they might see the mess they are leaving.


  • #124
    BarryD2
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    theyoungchap wrote: »
    I shouldn't have to Barry.

    No, you or I or others shouldn't have to pick up others rubbish. But sometimes that's just the best solution.


  • #125
    theyoungchap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 522 ✭✭✭theyoungchap


    Has anybody ever challenged people on leaving rubbish behind them? It is something I am very slow to do.


  • #126
    BarryD2
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    Another full bag of rubbish today - BBQ, cans, bottles, nappies, junk wrappers from local beauty spot. Left allegedly by travelers again. Some of these citizens do themselves absolutely no favours at all :(


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  • #127
    Graces7
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    theyoungchap wrote: »
    Has anybody ever challenged people on leaving rubbish behind them? It is something I am very slow to do.

    I did a couple of times when I was street trading. A car parked near me and he threw his ice cream wrapper out of the window.. Right opposite the Garda Station too... He almost went into shock when I challenged him .Picked it up though..


  • #128
    SeanoChuinn
    Registered Users Posts: 135 ✭✭SeanoChuinn


    I've challenged a couple of people on a local bog when we were walking dogs and they decided to dump their rubbish. They weren't in the act but it was pretty obvious black plastic bags, cardboard boxes clearly visible in the back of the minivan. At that point then its an argument about my rights and you've can't accuse me bull dung...then drive away at high speed with feigned exasperation that they'd have been accused in the wrong etc. etc.

    My sister-in-law also confronted a neighbor after seeing her dumping a large black polythene bag about 2 miles from their house but right next to my brothers. She took the bag back to her house and dropped it in their yard telling her she'd lost this on the road. But then it was a your word against mine situation.

    There really is no talking or reasoning with these people. One guy decided to claim the cost of rubbish was too much, yet his rubbish was filled with costly energy drink cans and beer bottles. Didn't appear to be a cost issue buying the crap, just disposing of it. And as previous posters have mentioned there is no consequence of being caught. And I assume its monkey see monkey do - so expect these peoples children to unfortunately be no different.


  • #129
    gctest50
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    theyoungchap wrote: »
    gctest50 wrote: »
    Being 2018 n stuff, use a beach cleaner





    loads of stuff gets washed up anyway outside of
    bottles etc


    And do you really think we should pay for that rather than change a mindset? How much would a fleet of them cost our public finances?

    theyoungchap wrote: »

    And do you really think we should pay for that rather than change a mindset?

    Look at the amount of seaweed n all sorts that gets washed up :

    https://twitter.com/leinster2009/status/1014400480942968838

    theyoungchap wrote: »
    .........

    How much would a fleet of them cost our public finances?


    Look at the picture above, 2 trucks and how many hours was involved ? and there's whinging going on ????



    Staff manually clear away waste with litter pickers seven days a week. Their job also involves continuously emptying bins on the beach during the day, keeping promenades, access stairs and ramps clean, and strimming grass edges where needed.


    https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/how-stunning-north-east-beaches-14820416


  • #130
    Try_harder
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    Our local park is left like a tip after a sunny day


  • #131
    handlemaster
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    OP its alot down to the irish mentality there are bigger crimes out there. You cant fine people much for littering even if you catch them. Simple up fines that make a difference to the pocket. 500 euros etc for dropping wrapper etc


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