GLAS thread

Kovu · 20-05-2016 12:40am

limo_100 wrote: »

no stones im very jealous of you :mad: We thought it be good to get rid of them for going back to pasture down the line. Did you do upland or lowland ours would be good peaty soil i think.Would it need to be chain harrowed after the land leveler

It's good Leitrim gley :pac: Not really sure what to call it, it's just below a hill where the ground levels off flat for 100m or so. The land drops down after that into bogland though so it good enough drainage at that end.

Hard to know how it'll break up as this is land that hasn't seen a plough since possibly early 1900s. I was thinking that the sticky sort of daub soil mightn't break up too easy and would need a bit of drying after the harrowing in order to get it broken down fully. It's an odd soil to work with.

limo_100 · 20-05-2016 12:50am

Kovu wrote: »

It's good Leitrim gley :pac: Not really sure what to call it, it's just below a hill where the ground levels off flat for 100m or so. The land drops down after that into bogland though so it good enough drainage at that end.

Hard to know how it'll break up as this is land that hasn't seen a plough since possibly early 1900s. I was thinking that the sticky sort of daub soil mightn't break up too easy and would need a bit of drying after the harrowing in order to get it broken down fully. It's an odd soil to work with.

tell ya the truth I wouldn't no much about that type of soil will use drain it after the scheme? Our soil has already dryed out well from this morning it will break up very well under the power harrow nearly go to dust

Kovu · 20-05-2016 1:00am

limo_100 wrote: »

tell ya the truth I wouldn't no much about that type of soil will use drain it after the scheme? Our soil has already dryed out well from this morning it will break up very well under the power harrow nearly go to dust

Ah yer spoiled with good soil in the midlands! Whose to know what we'll be doing with it after this scheme, could be habitat for foxes by then! :pac::p
Been a great drying day here so it was going great guns at 5pm but it's been on off raining here since that, píssing out of the heavens now.

limo_100 · 26-05-2016 12:39am

Kovu wrote: »

Ah yer spoiled with good soil in the midlands! Whose to know what we'll be doing with it after this scheme, could be habitat for foxes by then! :pac::p
Been a great drying day here so it was going great guns at 5pm but it's been on off raining here since that, píssing out of the heavens now.

So did you get in sowed?? we power harrowed this evening and land leveled it going sowing it tomorrow??

Kovu · 26-05-2016 12:42am

limo_100 wrote: »

So did you get in sowed?? we power harrowed this evening and land leveled it going sowing it tomorrow??

Ha, no! Between rain in the evenings and the fella being away we haven't managed to get it done yet. He's booked for tomorrow at 12 come rain or shine so we'll just have it in before the deadline.

limo_100 · 26-05-2016 12:47am

Kovu wrote: »

Ha, no! Between rain in the evenings and the fella being away we haven't managed to get it done yet. He's booked for tomorrow at 12 come rain or shine so we'll just have it in before the deadline.

How did it try out like? Ours was fairly good but the clay was a bit damp but its the best I seen it look it my time there used to be a big hole that would catch me out every year when i'd be topping I think I'm going to miss it

What seed you putting in we have oats and linseed?

Kovu · 26-05-2016 12:51am

limo_100 wrote: »

How did it try out like? Ours was fairly good but the clay was a bit damp but its the best I seen it look it my time there used to be a big hole that would catch me out every year when i'd be topping I think I'm going to miss it What seed you putting in we have oats and linseed?

Same, oats and linseed. That fecking linseed was a horrid price!! It looks well, there's only a few patches of greyish daub, expected it to be far worse quality. Plus all the rushes can't be seen now

:D

limo_100 · 26-05-2016 12:57am

Kovu wrote: »

Same, oats and linseed. That fecking linseed was a horrid price!! It looks well, there's only a few patches of greyish daub, expected it to be far worse quality. Plus all the rushes can't be seen now :D

I no the feeling maybe ploughing is the new topping

When use sow are use doing half the field in oats and the other half in linseed or use just mixing it all in together? what you pay for it I got a 15kg bag for 57euro and a 25kg bag for 105.I thing I only need the 25kg so hopefully I get to return the 15kg bag. The linseed is after getting very scarce

Kovu · 26-05-2016 1:20am

limo_100 wrote: »

I no the feeling maybe ploughing is the new topping When use sow are use doing half the field in oats and the other half in linseed or use just mixing it all in together? what you pay for it I got a 15kg bag for 57euro and a 25kg bag for 105.I thing I only need the 25kg so hopefully I get to return the 15kg bag. The linseed is after getting very scarce

I think we paid €62 for the 15kg bag. Was just discussing the mix earlier and we're going to try doing all together. ...for better or worse!

limo_100 · 26-05-2016 1:34am

Kovu wrote: »

I think we paid €62 for the 15kg bag. Was just discussing the mix earlier and we're going to try doing all together. ...for better or worse!

I think thats what were going to do as well its probably the handiest way to do it anyway. I must take a few pictures tomorrow I sorry I didnt take a few before during and after. Its a fairly handy way of doing up the poorer gound

Muckit · 26-05-2016 7:06am

How did lads hedges work out? Did they all take? Are ye having to weed?

Kovu · 26-05-2016 7:14am

limo_100 wrote: »

I think thats what were going to do as well its probably the handiest way to do it anyway. I must take a few pictures tomorrow I sorry I didnt take a few before during and after. Its a fairly handy way of doing up the poorer gound

I can still do the before on the poorer ground as the field next to it is the same as the old one was.....i.e. rushes to the waist! You'd easily lose a man in them!

TPF2012 · 26-05-2016 9:48am

Deadline for sowing Wild Bird Cover in GLAS 1 & 2 has been extended from 31/5/2016 to 14/06/2016.
I have a chance now.

Base price · 26-05-2016 10:01am

TPF2012 wrote: »

Deadline for sowing Wild Bird Cover in GLAS 1 & 2 has been extended from 31/5/2016 to 14/06/2016.
I have a chance now.

Thanks for that TPF. I was going to plough ours but the plough hasn't seen the ground in 25 years. Decided to get a local man and he is just after arriving 20 mins ago. OH mowed the two areas on Tuesday, neighbour baled and wrapped 10 bales for himself yesterday off the rush free ground.
The neighbour that got the bales has a wagtail and is going to spread the seeds for us. A handy barter arrangement ðŸ˜Š

ganmo · 26-05-2016 7:48pm

Base price wrote: »

Thanks for that TPF. I was going to plough ours but the plough hasn't seen the ground in 25 years. Decided to get a local man and he is just after arriving 20 mins ago. OH mowed the two areas on Tuesday, neighbour baled and wrapped 10 bales for himself yesterday off the rush free ground.
The neighbour that got the bales has a wagtail and is going to spread the seeds for us. A handy barter arrangement ðŸ˜Š

the black market is alive and well

limo_100 · 26-05-2016 10:52pm

job done sowed land leveled and chain harrowed today happy with the results hopefully it will grow. Contractor did ploughing power harrowing land leveled chain harrowed and sowed it for 135 an acre. I wonder should I spread a few bags of fertilizer on it??

Capercaillie · 26-05-2016 11:00pm

limo_100 wrote: »

job done sowed land leveled and chain harrowed today happy with the results hopefully it will grow. Contractor did ploughing power harrowing land leveled chain harrowed and sowed it for 135 an acre. I wonder should I spread a few bags of fertilizer on it??

135 euro an acre a great price. I sprayed 0.25 acres myself. Got contractor to plough, rotovate, chain harrow and roll. Broadcast seed myself with seed fiddle. He charged me 215 plus vat. I spread 10-10-20 at 100kg/acre. Also spread lime at 50kg/acre.

limo_100 · 26-05-2016 11:06pm

Capercaillie wrote: »

135 euro an acre a great price. I sprayed 0.25 acres myself. Got contractor to plough, rotovate, chain harrow and roll. Broadcast seed myself with seed fiddle. He charged me 215 plus vat. I spread 10-10-20 at 100kg/acre. Also spread lime at 50kg/acre.

Is that for grassland? ours was for wildbird cover. how did it turn out for you?

Capercaillie · 26-05-2016 11:11pm

limo_100 wrote: »

Is that for grassland? ours was for wildbird cover. how did it turn out for you?

Kale/mustard/triticale for twite (NPWS Farm plan). Only planted 7th May. My place is harsh, directly on the coast. Even a whitethorn tree can't grow. The triticale will act as a nursery crop.

limo_100 · 26-05-2016 11:23pm

Capercaillie wrote: »

Kale/mustard/triticale for twite (NPWS Farm plan). Only planted 7th May. My place is harsh, directly on the coast. Even a whitethorn tree can't grow. The triticale will act as a nursery crop.

We seeded about 3 acres oats and linseed I going to make you jealous but ours is sheltered by the neighbors planting

2time · 27-05-2016 12:32am

we got a 4 acre field that was badly sloughed up from cattle been on it in winter few years back, under glas scheme it cant be ploughed but would it be ideal for linseed planting,????

Water John · 27-05-2016 12:35am

I think you have to commit the same plot for the 6 years.

limo_100 · 27-05-2016 6:35pm

Water John wrote: »

I think you have to commit the same plot for the 6 years.

yeah you do and its for 5years

Qprmeath · 28-05-2016 6:57am

Is there Glas payments dates set or is it just a make it up as they go along situation?

limo_100 · 28-05-2016 11:19am

Qprmeath wrote: »

Is there Glas payments dates set or is it just a make it up as they go along situation?

yeah sometime in the next five years I assume

Base price · 29-05-2016 4:27pm

We ran into problems ploughing one of the 2 GLAS areas. Part of the plot (about an acre) is extremely stoney and the plough skidded over the top. I sprayed the area off yesterday and our slurry/baling contractor is going to try his 3m disc harrow across it tomorrow. We were thinking of spreading some smc on it before hand to help bulk up the soil. Do any of ye think that it's a good idea or not?
Also does anyone know where I could buy wild flower seed, sowing rate and how much per kg. I know it's not part of the GLAS plans but I would like to sow a strip of it around the edges for the bees and insects.

Capercaillie · 29-05-2016 4:32pm

Base price wrote: »

We ran into problems ploughing one of the 2 GLAS areas. Part of the plot (about an acre) is extremely stoney and the plough skidded over the top. I sprayed the area off yesterday and our slurry/baling contractor is going to try his 3m disc harrow across it tomorrow. We were thinking of spreading some smc on it before hand to help bulk up the soil. Do any of ye think that it's a good idea or not?
Also does anyone know where I could buy wild flower seed, sowing rate and how much per kg. I know it's not part of the GLAS plans but I would like to sow a strip of it around the edges for the bees and insects.

http://www.wildflowers.ie/design-by-nature/about.htm
I have bought off them before, good quality seed. If you know your P,K lime levels you can get wilflowers seed that match your soil fertilty and will grow best.

ganmo · 29-05-2016 4:37pm

Base price wrote: »

We ran into problems ploughing one of the 2 GLAS areas. Part of the plot (about an acre) is extremely stoney and the plough skidded over the top. I sprayed the area off yesterday and our slurry/baling contractor is going to try his 3m disc harrow across it tomorrow. We were thinking of spreading some smc on it before hand to help bulk up the soil. Do any of ye think that it's a good idea or not?
Also does anyone know where I could buy wild flower seed, sowing rate and how much per kg. I know it's not part of the GLAS plans but I would like to sow a strip of it around the edges for the bees and insects.

Why spread it when you're not going to get the benefit from it ? Maybe get it when you're putting it back into grass

Water John · 29-05-2016 5:08pm

You just don't do everything because of a grant.
Wild flowers is a good idea on the headland, bees etc. Will look nice too.

Base price · 29-05-2016 5:17pm

ganmo wrote: »

Why spread it when you're not going to get the benefit from it ? Maybe get it when you're putting it back into grass

TBH I'm the type of person that if I make the effort to do something then I do it to the best of my ability. It would bug the daylights outta me to see a scrawny area in the middle of the rest of the wbc. We get the smc free and can get a few loads delivered tomorrow morning, however I need to persuade OH to land level it as I'm now back in ncd for work tomorrow.

Base price · 29-05-2016 5:19pm

Water John wrote: »

You just don't do everything because of a grant.
Wild flowers is a good idea on the headland, bees etc. Will look nice too.

Great minds think alike

mikefoxo · 29-05-2016 11:27pm

Would poppy seeds you buy in the supermarket grow? And what about bags of bird seed? I must have a look at the back of the bag but I'd say there's some wildflower seeds in it

Water John · 29-05-2016 11:31pm

Yeah, some very wild plants in birdseed I believe.

Base price · 30-05-2016 4:40pm

Capercaillie wrote: »

http://www.wildflowers.ie/design-by-nature/about.htm
I have bought off them before, good quality seed. If you know your P,K lime levels you can get wilflowers seed that match your soil fertilty and will grow best.

I sent an email to that company today. They reckon that it is getting late to sow flower seeds but should be ok. I was thinking of going for a kg of their Biodiversity Wildflower Meadow Mixture (Special) mix and planting one area that borders a ditch but does not get flooded. The area forms a point and would suit as I could leave it undisturbed when tilling/replanting wbc next year. I also noticed that some of the seed mixes sold are not suitable for animal consumption as we intend to let cattle graze the wbc during the open season.
I wonder will we be penalised if this small area is planted with flower seed and not planted with wbc?

Capercaillie · 30-05-2016 4:56pm

Base price wrote: »

I sent an email to that company today. They reckon that it is getting late to sow flower seeds but should be ok. I was thinking of going for a kg of their Biodiversity Wildflower Meadow Mixture (Special)mix and planting one area that borders a ditch but does not get flooded. The area forms a point and would suit as I could leave it undisturbed when tilling/replanting wbc next year. I also noticed that some of the seed mixes sold are not suitable for animal consumption as we intend to let cattle graze the wbc during the open season.
I wonder will we be penalised if this small area is planted with flower seed and not planted with wbc?

Corncockle seeds would be poisonous to cattle/sheep, but only if a beast ate a huge amount of pure seeds. You will only have small amounts in the seed mixture. Corncockle is an annual and will only grow in first year, unless you till the ground next year it will not grow again.
I have most of those species in my hay meadow and no problem with toxicity.

You would need to check with farm planner that you are putting in wildflowers in a small patch. That mixture would not provide much edible seed crop (for birds) compared to something like linseed/oats.

I'm my opinion a mixture of WBC and wildflower mixture would be of greater benefit to a greater range of species than WBC on it's own. I'm not a farm planner though!

Pic from my hay meadow (July last year).

Base price · 30-05-2016 5:06pm

Capercaillie wrote: »

Corncockle seeds would be poisonous to cattle/sheep, but only if a beast ate a huge amount of pure seeds. You will only have small amounts in the seed mixture. Corncockle is an annual and will only grow in first year, unless you till the ground next year it will not grow again.
I have most of those species in my hay meadow and no problem with toxicity.

You would need to check with farm planner that you are putting in wildflowers in a small patch. That mixture would not provide much edible seed crop (for birds) compared to something like linseed/oats.

I'm my opinion a mixture of WBC and wildflower mixture would be of greater benefit to a greater range of species than WBC on it's own. I'm not a farm planner!

Pic from my hay meadow (July last year).

Thanks for that. I only want to put in the flower mix for the bees and insects, the birds will get enough from the rest of the areas. Our planner covered our basis by including a little more area, about a quarter of an acre so I should be OK if I plant a kg of the flower mix (.16 of an acre).
Agree with you that a wild flower mix should have been included in the wbc. It appears that DAFM don't know about National Biodiversity Centre.

drive it · 02-06-2016 10:07pm

What are the penalty's of pulling out of Glas , I am only in it since last year it the rented ground that I need to take out

kollegeknight · 02-06-2016 10:21pm

I am in tranche 2. The only documentation I got was the acceptance letter. Is this normal?

Water John · 02-06-2016 10:31pm

Knight, that is what I have got too, no cheque yet!!

Stan27 · 04-06-2016 9:42am

kollegeknight wrote: »

I am in tranche 2. The only documentation I got was the acceptance letter. Is this normal?

Yes. Documents from dafm have not been sent out yet.

Alibaba · 04-06-2016 2:44pm

drive it wrote: »

What are the penalty's of pulling out of Glas , I am only in it since last year it the rented ground that I need to take out

I'd imagine they'd be looking to claw back any payment you have received except force majuere.

kollegeknight · 04-06-2016 6:53pm

Stan27 wrote: »

Yes. Documents from dafm have not been sent out yet.

So I'm topping fields according to appendix 18 in the online booklet, would I get away with topping whole field until I get the document?

Kovu · 05-06-2016 1:07pm

Seeds are sprouted, the linseed is well up, oats are behind. Need rain :eek:

I'm not the best at this scarecrow lark though :pac:

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Muckit · 05-06-2016 1:45pm

The boyf looks a bit off his head there Kovu

Kovu · 05-06-2016 1:56pm

Muckit wrote: »

The boyf looks a bit off his head there Kovu

He'll be fine.....couple of panadol and some plasters and he'll be right as rain.

Capercaillie · 05-06-2016 3:17pm

Kovu wrote: »

Seeds are sprouted, the linseed is well up, oats are behind. Need rain :eek:

I'm not the best at this scarecrow lark though :pac:

My scarecrow on the kale/triticale/mustard

Base price · 05-06-2016 10:10pm

Eventually got both areas sown, harrowed (yesterday) and fertilised and rolled today. I was driving out with the roller from the last area this afternoon when the rain arrived. A neighbour was supposed to broadcast the seed for us but couldn't due to a relatives death and gave us a loan of his wagtail. No problems with the oats but the linseed was difficult. We didn't use a carrier and set the wagtail at the setting that he told us. I could hardly see a blue seed anywhere so we upped the settings. We used 75Kgs in just over 2 hectares :eek:
Crows & Jackdaws are a problem and we were up this morning with the shotguns. Seems perverse that one is attempting to scare away crows in order for the seed to grow for "wild birds"!!

Birdnuts · 06-06-2016 1:33am

Base price wrote: »

:eek:
Crows & Jackdaws are a problem and we were up this morning with the shotguns. Seems perverse that one is attempting to scare away crows in order for the seed to grow for "wild birds"!!

I wouldn't worry about it - the aim of wild bird covers is to provide food and cover for species like yellowhammer, partridge etc that have been hit hard by the intensification of farming and associated loss of habitat etc. over the last few decades. Crows on the other hand have thrived in the modern farmed landscape so keeping them away from such areas is no harm at all.

djmc · 06-06-2016 9:04am

Birdnuts wrote: »

I wouldn't worry about it - the aim of wild bird covers is to provide food and cover for species like yellowhammer, partridge etc that have been hit hard by the intensification of farming and associated loss of habitat etc. over the last few decades. Crows on the other hand have thrived in the modern farmed landscape so keeping them away from such areas is no harm at all.

They do quite well on cattle feed too you don't even have to open the bag for them they can manage that themselves and invite every crow and jackdaw in the parish to the party
Then they just attack and tear the silage bales in a pure act of vandalism.

Water John · 06-06-2016 10:57am

djmc, that's sounds like a grudge against crows. Is it only your bales are attacked or have they just got a mean streak against humans in general?

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