N5 - Ballaghaderreen to Scramoge [underway]

prunudo · 04-06-2019 6:26pm

spacetweek wrote: »

Genuinely glad this is going ahead so soon and it'll only be a few years before this one and Westport-Turlough are done.
For the main access road to Mayo from Dublin and the midlands, the N5 is shocking, a glorified cattle track not worthy of its prominent number.

Shame they aren't as quick to advance the upgrade of the N20.

marno21 · 04-06-2019 6:43pm

The progress on this scheme is refreshing indeed, but it is just one scheme. If/when the M28 gets past the legal issues, I would hope the same amount of urgency is applied there to get it shovel ready for 2021.

The primary delays these days seem to be in the pre-planning approval stages. The M21 is now in planning with 62 months and still hasn't reached An Bord Pleanala.

paulbok · 20-06-2019 1:24pm

Archeology works have started this week. Off the mainline at Shankhill cross near Elphin.
Another field beside where the roundabout will be for Strokestown will be, now fenced offed for same.
More farmers telling them to F**k off until they have the silage cut or the sale of land goes through.

marno21 · 24-06-2019 11:57pm

marno21 wrote: »

Roscommon County Council have tendered for land valuation services for the lands to be CPOd for the scheme.

Awarded: https://irl.eu-supply.com/app/rfq/publicpurchase_frameset.asp?PID=143569&B=ETENDERS_SIMPLE&PS=2&PP=ctm/Supplier/PublicTenders

100mph for this scheme. Not sure why it's going at this pace whilst so many others are effectively moving at a snails pace.

marno21 · 06-07-2019 2:06am

Tender out for detailed ground investigation along the route

https://irl.eu-supply.com/app/rfq/publicpurchase_frameset.asp?PID=149993&B=ETENDERS_SIMPLE&PS=1&PP=ctm/Supplier/publictenders

marno21 · 25-07-2019 11:44pm

Phases 5-7 awarded to Roughan O’Donovan / AECOM JV

https://irl.eu-supply.com/ctm/Supplier/PublicTenders/ViewNotice/217115

BelfastVanMan · 26-07-2019 12:08am

marno21 wrote: »

Phases 5-7 awarded to Roughan O’Donovan / AECOM JV

https://irl.eu-supply.com/ctm/Supplier/PublicTenders/ViewNotice/217115

Jaysus, this one's motoring along!

marno21 · 26-07-2019 12:22am

BelfastVanMan wrote: »

Jaysus, this one's motoring along!

The “rules” don’t apply to the N5

prunudo · 26-07-2019 6:35am

They're not hanging around, good to see the progress on this one compared to the snails pace of others.

paulbok · 26-07-2019 8:29am

Archeology flying around Strokestown and Elphin, lots of fields fenced off now for the works (temporary fence now, permanent one in a few months, don't know why they can't do the permanent one for the majority of the road at the outset).
I've heard that although the land has been taken over from the farmers, that it could be a year or two before they get paid for it. Surely that can't be right? I'd expect some bit of a delay to argue over compensation, but if it takes so long they should have begun negotiations earlier in the project.
Bad enough that farmers lose land but not being able to try and replace it for years, is taking the pi$$.

Pete_Cavan · 26-07-2019 5:18pm

paulbok wrote: »

Archeology flying around Strokestown and Elphin, lots of fields fenced off now for the works (temporary fence now, permanent one in a few months, don't know why they can't do the permanent one for the majority of the road at the outset).
I've heard that although the land has been taken over from the farmers, that it could be a year or two before they get paid for it. Surely that can't be right? I'd expect some bit of a delay to argue over compensation, but if it takes so long they should have begun negotiations earlier in the project.
Bad enough that farmers lose land but not being able to try and replace it for years, is taking the pi$.

The route could yet change based on what the investigations throw up. It is still only a preferred route at this stage, not absolutely final.

annfield1978 · 26-07-2019 7:13pm

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

The route could yet change based on what the investigations throw up. It is still only a preferred route at this stage, not absolutely final.

The route has planning, and CPO confirmed so no turning back

Pete_Cavan · 26-07-2019 7:38pm

annfield1978 wrote: »

The route has planning, and CPO confirmed so no turning back

CPOs have been identified but not purchased yet, valuers were only appointed a couple of weeks ago. If there is a significant archaeological find, there certainly is turning back.

marno21 · 08-09-2019 10:45am

Tender out for detailed topographical survey of the route

https://irl.eu-supply.com/ctm/Supplier/PublicPurchase/153399/0/0?returnUrl=ctm/Supplier/publictenders&b=ETENDERS_SIMPLE

discodaveirl · 21-09-2019 6:29pm

Fencing started in Tibohine

09-12-2019 5:59pm

Traffic management system in place until 21st December between Frenchpark & Ballinagare as trees & hedgerows are removed & temporary fencing is installed in preparation for new road.

https://www.midwestradio.ie/index.php/news/35386-traffic-reduced-to-one-lane-on-n5-between-frenchpark-and-ballingare-due-to-roadworks

paulbok · 09-12-2019 9:21pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Traffic management system in place until 21st December between Frenchpark & Ballinagare as trees & hedgerows are removed & temporary fencing is installed in preparation for new road.

https://www.midwestradio.ie/index.php/news/35386-traffic-reduced-to-one-lane-on-n5-between-frenchpark-and-ballingare-due-to-roadworks

Permanent fencing going up around parts of Strokestown and Elphin as the archeology finished up.

Guessing it'll be a Spring start on the road?

spacetweek · 09-12-2019 11:21pm

paulbok wrote: »

Permanent fencing going up around parts of Strokestown and Elphin as the archeology finished up.

Guessing it'll be a Spring start on the road?

Have a read of the thread title!

DumbBrunette · 20-12-2019 6:27pm

10 million euro allocated to this project by TII for 2020. Strongly suggests tender in the next 12 months and construction starting in 2021

annfield1978 · 21-12-2019 9:22pm

Contractor Pre Qualification will be issued in January

afatbollix · 24-12-2019 7:07pm

When I seen the new fence at the weekend on the way down west I threw a fist in the air and let out a yes finally!

spakman · 28-12-2019 11:41am

The fencing is up for the N5 turlough-westport road for at least the past 2 years, so I wouldn't take that as a sign that construction is imminent!

marno21 · 09-01-2020 3:52pm

marno21 wrote: »

Tender out for detailed topographical survey of the route

https://irl.eu-supply.com/ctm/Supplier/PublicPurchase/153399/0/0?returnUrl=ctm/Supplier/publictenders&b=ETENDERS_SIMPLE

Tender award: https://irl.eu-supply.com/ctm/Supplier/PublicTenders/ViewNotice/225948

marno21 · 24-01-2020 12:29am

The construction contract for this scheme has gone to tender:

https://irl.eu-supply.com/ctm/Supplier/PublicPurchase/161146/0/0?returnUrl=ctm/Supplier/publictenders&b=ETENDERS_SIMPLE

Well done to all involved with this project. The rate of progress since An Bord Pleanala granted planning is unprecedented and I can't heap enough praise on them

BelfastVanMan · 24-01-2020 1:04am

marno21 wrote: »

The construction contract for this scheme has gone to tender:

https://irl.eu-supply.com/ctm/Supplier/PublicPurchase/161146/0/0?returnUrl=ctm/Supplier/publictenders&b=ETENDERS_SIMPLE

Well done to all involved with this project. The rate of progress since An Bord Pleanala granted planning is unprecedented and I can't heap enough praise on them

I'm pleasantly suprised, myself, to say the least.

24-01-2020 1:07am

How soon can this start now ? This summer ?

marno21 · 24-01-2020 1:13am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

How soon can this start now ? This summer ?

12-15 months would be the hope.

A lot of the variables involved are subject to change with the Government changing after the election

DumbBrunette · 24-01-2020 8:32pm

Amazing, one year from ABP approval to tender. Westport to turlough took more than 4 years!

Quite realistic for construction to start in spring next year, great going.

marno21 wrote: »

The construction contract for this scheme has gone to tender:

https://irl.eu-supply.com/ctm/Supplier/PublicPurchase/161146/0/0?returnUrl=ctm/Supplier/publictenders&b=ETENDERS_SIMPLE

Well done to all involved with this project. The rate of progress since An Bord Pleanala granted planning is unprecedented and I can't heap enough praise on them

marno21 · 24-01-2020 8:37pm

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And in an archaeological minefield.

Shows you what having a Senior Minister and Taoiseach/former Taoiseach having a vested interest in a road scheme gets you, and shows up the ridiculously convoluted timelines for many other road schemes for the nonsense that they are.

steeler j · 24-01-2020 10:16pm

DumbBrunette wrote: »

Amazing, one year from ABP approval to tender. Westport to turlough took more than 4 years!

Quite realistic for construction to start in spring next year, great going.

Should be the norm for road infrastructure in the future

dubhthach · 27-01-2020 2:52pm

marno21 wrote: »

And in an archaeological minefield.

Shows you what having a Senior Minister and Taoiseach/former Taoiseach having a vested interest in a road scheme gets you, and shows up the ridiculously convoluted timelines for many other road schemes for the nonsense that they are.

Well they did skirt fair bit north of Cruachan -- still archaeology should be interesting. One of major sites discovered in Roscommon in recent years was over 800 remains at Ranelagh just outside of Roscommon town due to road realignment of the N61.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/viewpoints/analysis/800-medieval-bodies-found-during-hillfort-dig-446670.html

There's gonna be a couple of ancient DNA papers out of this site in the next two years.

21-06-2020 2:26pm

The fencing and hedge clearing seems to be almost complete along the entire section of this project, including a surprisingly long section of the N61 from Killina to Shankill, where there will be an interchange.

21-06-2020 4:27pm

I've just checked Google Maps and they've updated their satellites along part of the new N5 alignment. The outline of this project is very clear from slightly west of Scramogue as far as the forests and boglands of Mantua.

I've attached a screenshot of the N61 future interchange/roundabout and there seems to be a lot of archaeology uncovered.

Hopefully Google will continue to update the satellite imagery for a clearer view of this project.

Cosmo Kramer · 21-06-2020 9:14pm

There's a worrying amount of archaeology visible in that aerial shot to be honest. Possibly they haven't rerouted far enough away from the archaeological area?

paulbok · 21-06-2020 9:31pm

Cosmo Kramer wrote: »

There's a worrying amount of archaeology visible in that aerial shot to be honest. Possibly they haven't rerouted far enough away from the archaeological area?

Seems to be lots of archeology along the route, probably would hit something no matter where they went in the area.

21-06-2020 9:45pm

In fairness, it's several miles from Rathcroghan. The section in the screenshot would be close to the Patrician site of Shankill which I presume was established on a previous Celtic site.

The ordnance survey maps highlight a lot of archaeology along the route between Strokestown and Elphin, such as ringforts and barrows, but I would be shocked if anything of significance is discovered west of the N61 through to Tibohine. It's running through forestry and very poor land for the most part along this section.

22-06-2020 2:27pm

Any word on a start date ?

22-06-2020 2:32pm

The tender process hasn't closed yet. It would then need cabinet approval for a final contract to be signed. There's no guarantee of that happening given the current uncertainty, both politically and economically. It's be 2021 at the earliest.

spacetweek · 28-06-2020 9:48pm

This will be the first road scheme to be signed off (if it is) since the Greens took power. It'll be a good test to see what the appetite is for building more roads, or if they will oppose this on principle.

theoneeyedman · 28-06-2020 10:41pm

spacetweek wrote: »

This will be the first road scheme to be signed off (if it is) since the Greens took power. It'll be a good test to see what the appetite is for building more roads, or if they will oppose this on principle.

Seeing as this government has been chosen from ministers predominantly from Dublin and the South, I'd worry about this project being a priority. No minister that is looking for votes from Roscommon, Mayo, or anywhere West or North of Tullamore really. Can't see any of them pushing money into this tbh

28-06-2020 11:39pm

theoneeyedman wrote: »

No minister that is looking for votes from Roscommon, Mayo, or anywhere West or North of Tullamore really. Can't see any of them pushing money into this tbh

I thin that could be a problem with everything for the next 5 years. If your looking for funding outside of Dublin & Cork forget about it.
https://westernpeople.ie/2020/06/28/a-cabinet-fit-for-cromwell/#.XvkcJG1KjX6

Leonard Hofstadter · 29-06-2020 12:18am

The Super Junior for Roads (and other things) is from Galway. She said on RTÉ Radio 1 today that Galway bypass and M20 were among her priorities for roads.

This is surely a far less contentious road than either of the above for the Greens, and far cheaper to boot, so there is no danger of it using up all of the 1/3 part of the roads / public transport split - which in any case only comes in after the maintenance budget has been allocated, and therefore relates to the ratio of capital spending not the full roads / public transport spending.

So, I wouldn't be all doom and gloom about it just yet;).

marno21 · 29-06-2020 12:30am

Deleted User wrote: »

I thin that could be a problem with everything for the next 5 years. If your looking for funding outside of Dublin & Cork forget about it.
https://westernpeople.ie/2020/06/28/a-cabinet-fit-for-cromwell/#.XvkcJG1KjX6

Since FG took over in 2011, there have been 13 major roads projects completed and 3 are currently under constructions. 3 of these 16 projects have been on the N5, or just under a fifth. If this project goes ahead, which it is likely to given it is the only project that actually can start this side of 2023, that will make it 4 from 17. The N5 has done very well in recent years and it may be time to concentrate on other roads also. I don't believe it's right to criticise a day old Government yet either.

Cosmo Kramer · 29-06-2020 12:48am

To be fair, the condition of the N5 relative to the other N1 up to N11 roads necessitated that. It had been badly neglected previously.

I would agree though that if this stretch is done alongside Westport - Castlebar East the N5 would finally be pretty much sorted. The only major remaining issue would be Termonbarry but that can be lived with.

That said, I currently have little confidence that this will now be pushed through given the ministerial appointments. Will be interesting to see what is in the junior ministerial announcements but while there will probably be a token gesture after all the bad PR this weekend I think the damage has already been done for the west and north west.

DumbBrunette · 29-06-2020 9:25am

I hope you're wrong Cosmo.

I think that as the tender process has started and there are feck all road projects that are shovel-ready it's very unlikely Cabinet would refuse to approve awarding the tender. It would be almost unprecedented at this stage of the process.

Bear in mind also that even if they did want to block it, the Greens have very few votes at Cabinet anyway.

Cosmo Kramer wrote: »

To be fair, the condition of the N5 relative to the other N1 up to N11 roads necessitated that. It had been badly neglected previously.

I would agree though that if this stretch is done alongside Westport - Castlebar East the N5 would finally be pretty much sorted. The only major remaining issue would be Termonbarry but that can be lived with.

That said, I currently have little confidence that this will now be pushed through given the ministerial appointments. Will be interesting to see what is in the junior ministerial announcements but while there will probably be a token gesture after all the bad PR this weekend I think the damage has already been done for the west and north west.

steeler j · 29-06-2020 11:32am

Would the government not sign off on it just to quieten the talk of no minister in the west

DumbBrunette · 29-06-2020 1:26pm

They would be pilloried if they don't sign off so maybe yes!!

steeler j wrote: »

Would the government not sign off on it just to quieten the talk of no minister in the west

29-06-2020 1:31pm

DumbBrunette wrote: »

They would be pilloried if they don't sign off so maybe yes!!

Maybe if they also sign off on the continuation of the M17 from Tuam to beyond Sligo we will forgive them

Geuze · 01-07-2020 10:55pm

marno21 wrote: »

Since FG took over in 2011, there have been 13 major roads projects completed and 3 are currently under constructions. 3 of these 16 projects have been on the N5, or just under a fifth.

Ballaghderreen bypass

Charlestown bypass??

??

marno21 · 01-07-2020 11:03pm

Geuze wrote: »

Ballaghderreen bypass

Charlestown bypass??

??

Longford bypass

Then Westport-Turlough under construction

N5 - Ballaghaderreen to Scramoge [underway]

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