Star Trek Discovery Season 2 [ SPOILERS WITHIN ]

03-08-2018 12:20pm

Evade wrote: »

Not to get too far into this topic but the solution to this is so obvious, there are other 00 agents that are as just capable as Bond. Introduce them in a cameo scene the next film and have Bond be missing or presumed dead at the end so they can take over the franchise for a while.

i assumed they were all supposed to be different people all the time anyway and it was just a title/codename

Evade · 03-08-2018 12:34pm

bluewolf wrote: »

i assumed they were all supposed to be different people all the time anyway and it was just a title/codename

The 00 part definitely but the name is doubtful unless there's some stipulation that whoever gets the 007 James Bond title must have been a commander in the Royal Navy.

1hnr79jr65 · 03-08-2018 12:53pm

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

It was suggested by some group and Alex had commented on it. The argument was that The Doctor (Doctor Who) could change, why not Spock

Except Burnham reffered to Spock as her adoptive half brother.

fritzelly · 04-08-2018 11:26pm

Well here's a surprise

https://deadline.com/2018/08/patrick-stewart-star-new-star-trek-series-jean-luc-picard-cbs-all-access-1202440156/

TheValeyard · 09-08-2018 4:23pm

The Klingons are getting a make-over.....again.

https://metro.co.uk/2018/08/08/star-trek-discovery-will-give-klingons-another-new-look-season-two-7816428/

Inviere · 09-08-2018 4:28pm

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

The Klingons are getting a make-over.....again.

https://metro.co.uk/2018/08/08/star-trek-discovery-will-give-klingons-another-new-look-season-two-7816428/

Sigh, wish they just left them alone at this stage. It just reeks of a lack of direction

TheValeyard · 09-08-2018 4:29pm

Inviere wrote: »

Sigh, wish they just left them alone at this stage. It just reeks of a lack of direction

They might be changing them into the TNG/DS9 versions, slowly over time.

pixelburp · 09-08-2018 4:36pm

I've got the impression from the quotes it's going to be less a redesign than a retcon, that their baldness will become a religious choice and we'll see Klingons with flowing hair once more.

Goodshape · 09-08-2018 4:42pm

Don't mean to be a news-snob or anything, but... why are we linking to or referencing Metro.co.uk for Star Trek news any news at all, ever?

The Klingons are not, according to other sources, getting "another make-over". We will be seeing new Klingon houses and factions which will have variations and previously unseen looks.

TrekMovie.com wrote:

In season two, you are going to see much different designs. You are going to see different houses you haven’t seen before. One of the most important things to us was that at this point in canon, as we head towards the current version of unification, the houses really each grow up on different planets. It is an Empire, it is not just Qo’noS… We have seen six of the great houses in close up in season one. As we move forward into the next season, I promise that we will continue exploring and unpacking and unfolding that infinitely interesting story of what the Klingon culture looks like on a wider level.

The TrekMovie.com article also suggests, based on a quote from the lead designer, the hairless look may be in-part due to the spiritual / ritualistic nature of the Klingons we saw in Season 1:

TrekMovie.com wrote:

[Kahless] did it by cutting off his hair, and dipping it into a volcano and forging the first bat’leth and tempering in the ocean of Qo’noS.

TrekMovie.com wrote:

There is this whole thing with hair and ritual and unification that was very much in the forefront of our mind when we designing.

And really, I think when add some hair to the Season 1 Kligons (there's a mockup on the TrekMovie article for example), they're not that different to TNGs.

https://trekmovie.com/2018/08/06/stlv18-designer-promises-new-klingon-look-for-star-trek-discovery-season-2-hints-at-hair/

TheValeyard · 09-08-2018 7:46pm

More info here for newssnobs

Comicbook also saying they will be revamped as stated by above posters.

http://comicbook.com/startrek/2018/08/07/star-trek-discovery-season-2-klingon-redesign/

Could also explain General Changs bald look and deep Klingon conservativism.

Goodshape · 10-08-2018 10:20am

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

More info here for newssnobs

Comicbook also saying they will be revamped as stated by above posters.

http://comicbook.com/startrek/2018/08/07/star-trek-discovery-season-2-klingon-redesign/

Could also explain General Changs bald look and deep Klingon conservativism.

Again though, they're quoting the TrekMovie.com article and drawing conclusions ("Klingons Will Have 'Completely New Look' in Season 2") which make a good headline but I don't think are accurate.

We'll see new Klingons in Season 2. I doubt very much that the Klingon's we've seen so far will change appearance.

I could be wrong! But I'm seeing one source article which seems to make it clear that we'll see additional Klingon styles (which has been said or hinted at from the very beginning of Discovery), and two reactionary articles with "OMG They're All Changing!" click-bait headlines.

AtomicHorror · 10-08-2018 11:05am

Goodshape wrote: »

Again though, they're quoting the TrekMovie.com article and drawing conclusions ("Klingons Will Have 'Completely New Look' in Season 2") which make a good headline but I don't think are accurate.

We'll see new Klingons in Season 2. I doubt very much that the Klingon's we've seen so far will change appearance.

This is the most sensible interpretation and it makes more sense that the show runners would handle it this way.

Most fans would likely prefer to see Klingons from previously unseen houses and from other regions of the empire introduced to help smooth the more superficial canon issues.

Hairy Klingons, but also ones still dealing with the augment virus to various degrees.

While they're at it, maybe they can have L'Rell reorganize the Imperial Fleet and the many House Fleets into the KDF we recognize.

pixelburp · 10-08-2018 11:29am

Yeah, just retconning the baldness as a religious choice is the easiest path back to more traditional continuity, but it does look like some outlets have overblown the news into suggestions they're going to redesign the Klingons again. I'd say we'll just see some mullets is all, perhaps with clothing that echoes the TNG form.

TheValeyard · 10-08-2018 2:22pm

Reason could be for the upcoming Picard Trek show. They might want a mix of Klingons, primal, augment virus and traditional.

Bit like how they had the Remans in Enterprise even though they werent created until that horrible Nemesis film.

EoinMcLovin · 14-08-2018 5:58pm

Ethan Peck cast as Spock

https://tvline.com/2018/08/14/star-trek-discovery-spock-ethan-peck-cast-season-2-cbs-all-access/

pixelburp · 14-08-2018 6:10pm

Grandson of Gregory Peck no less; Kurtzman's comments in the article at least give some hope that Spock won't be played as an automaton - something not always remembered when it comes to the Vulcans.

TheValeyard · 14-08-2018 7:49pm

EoinMcLovin wrote: »

Ethan Peck cast as Spock

https://tvline.com/2018/08/14/star-trek-discovery-spock-ethan-peck-cast-season-2-cbs-all-access/

I can see the spock look in him alright.

AMKC · 14-08-2018 9:11pm

EoinMcLovin wrote: »

Ethan Peck cast as Spock

https://tvline.com/2018/08/14/star-trek-discovery-spock-ethan-peck-cast-season-2-cbs-all-access/

Never heard of him. What else has he been in? What is he like as an actor?

gloobag · 14-08-2018 11:02pm

Starting to look like Discovery Season 2 is a testing ground for "Enterprise: The Pike Years". They've already got the main cast and the updated Enterprise model.

AtomicHorror · 15-08-2018 1:43pm

gloobag wrote: »

Starting to look like Discovery Season 2 is a testing ground for "Enterprise: The Pike Years". They've already got the main cast and the updated Enterprise model.

Or that the days of one ship, one crew, monster of the week are dead and gone...

Discovery is sitting somewhere between the old formula and the anthology show Bryan Fuller wanted.

Agent Coulson · 20-09-2018 7:24pm

CBS will begin releasing 4 shorts from October 4th in the build up to season 2.

Each of the four stories will center on a key character, including familiar faces from Star Trek: Discovery: Mary Wiseman (Tilly), Doug Jones (Saru) and Rainn Wilson (Harry Mudd), in a short he will also direct, as well as a new character unfamiliar to fans, Craft, played by Aldis Hodge.

Runaway – Thursday, Oct. 4

Onboard the U.S.S. Discovery, Ensign Tilly (Mary Wiseman) encounters an unexpected visitor in need of help. However, this unlikely pair may have more in common than meets the eye.

Written by Jenny Lumet & Alex Kurtzman. Directed by Maja Vrvilo.

Calypso – Thursday, Nov. 8

After waking up in an unfamiliar sickbay, Craft (Aldis Hodge) finds himself on board a deserted ship, and his only companion and hope for survival is an A.I. computer interface.

Teleplay by Michael Chabon. Story by Sean Cochran and Michael Chabon. Directed by Olatunde Osunsanmi.

The Brightest Star – Thursday, Dec. 6

Before he was the first Kelpien to join Starfleet, Saru (Doug Jones) lived a simple life on his home planet of Kaminar with his father and sister. Young Saru, full of ingenuity and a level of curiosity uncommon among his people, yearns to find out what lies beyond his village, leading him on an unexpected path.

Written by Bo Yeon Kim & Erika Lippoldt. Directed by Douglas Aarniokoski.

The Escape Artist – Thursday, Jan. 3

Harry Mudd (Rainn Wilson), back to his old tricks of stealing and double-dealing, finds himself in a precarious position aboard a hostile ship – just in time to try out his latest con.

Written by Michael McMahan. Directed by Rainn Wilson.

https://deadline.com/2018/09/star-trek-short-treks-cbs-all-access-star-trek-discovery-1202468411/

AtomicHorror · 20-09-2018 8:41pm

Anyone got a link to the teaser that isn't region blocked?

fritzelly · 20-09-2018 8:42pm

AtomicHorror wrote: »

Anyone got a link to the teaser that isn't region blocked?

A quick google and not much to see
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O59Qf2g7gXs

Kiith · 20-09-2018 11:59pm

Short Treks...ugh.

Goodshape · 21-09-2018 10:25am

Digital Spy reporting no plans at the moment to air these on Netflix :-/

DigitalSpy wrote:

Unfortunately, it looks like this may be a US only thing right now, as Netflix has confirmed to Digital Spy that there are currently no plans to air the Short Treks on Netflix.

http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/star-trek-discovery/news/a866697/star-trek-discovery-short-trek-mini-episodes-first-look-premiere-date/

pixelburp · 21-09-2018 10:36am

I imagine they'll "appear" quick enough via the usual routes. The two featuring new characters is an odd choice, wonder if either of them will later appear in Season 2 proper.

Inviere · 21-09-2018 4:21pm

pixelburp wrote: »

I imagine they'll "appear" quick enough via the usual routes.

Of course they will. Piracy will as usual be incentivized because the alternative doesn’t exist.

TheValeyard · 21-09-2018 8:17pm

Inviere wrote: »

Of course they will. Piracy will as usual be incentivized because the alternative doesn’t exist.

You think the big wigs would have copped this by now.....make the content available or it will just get pirated.

fritzelly · 21-09-2018 8:49pm

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

You think the big wigs would have copped this by now.....make the content available or it will just get pirated.

There is a reason they don't really care about the piracy of it - creates buzz, people still buy the blu-rays and most shows would never continue without the initial freebie viewing. When something is hard to get it becomes more of a commodity (isn't that how Apple works?)

pixelburp · 21-09-2018 11:14pm

There's also the element that ostensibly this is a US show, with only Netflix ensuring international broadcast. Probably doesn't occur to CBS that non US folk might want to watch those miniepisodes. Heck if it wasn't for Netflix I doubt this thread would have been any quieter.

fritzelly · 21-09-2018 11:16pm

pixelburp wrote: »

There's also the element that ostensibly this is a US show, with only Netflix ensuring international broadcast. Probably doesn't occur to CBS that non US folk might want to watch those miniepisodes. Heck if it wasn't for Netflix I doubt this thread would have been any quieter.

No American network finances a show with the view that this is a US show!
They generally make more money from selling it overseas than they do at home
They're are several shows that do really well overseas but do nothing at home and part of the reason they were renewed and Netflix is also a reason for reselling the shows to international audiences to finance further seasons

pixelburp · 21-09-2018 11:20pm

fritzelly wrote: »

No American network finances a show with the view that this is a US show!
They generally make more money from selling it overseas than they do at home

Given how they treat the Trek license, I don't rule out CBS being brainless. I like Discovery, but the studio don't seem to know what to do with the property.

fritzelly · 21-09-2018 11:27pm

pixelburp wrote: »

Given how they treat the Trek license, I don't rule out CBS being brainless. I like Discovery, but the studio don't seem to know what to do with the property.

Don't know what you mean by that - they produced a great first season of a new Trek show (promising a new show for years with nothing happening).
They played it for the money with CBS in the US (massive uptake for CBS All Access) and sold it on to Netflix for the global audience - if you don't think they made tank loads of money and with Netflix committed to licencing the second season
CBS seems to know exactly what they are doing and what direction Trek should be taking at the moment

Inviere · 22-09-2018 12:13pm

fritzelly wrote: »

When something is hard to get it becomes more of a commodity (isn't that how Apple works?)

Obtaining torrents/streams isn’t exactly difficult for most these days. In fact, it’s never been easier. When it’s not possible to pay for something you want to see, there’s only one other way to watch it.

pixelburp · 27-09-2018 12:51pm

fritzelly wrote: »

Don't know what you mean by that - they produced a great first season of a new Trek show (promising a new show for years with nothing happening).
They played it for the money with CBS in the US (massive uptake for CBS All Access) and sold it on to Netflix for the global audience - if you don't think they made tank loads of money and with Netflix committed to licencing the second season
CBS seems to know exactly what they are doing and what direction Trek should be taking at the moment

It's around the fringes that CBS have shown cynicism IMO, or bad faith anyway towards their own franchise & community. You look to incidents like the 'Axanar' debacle that has now left the fan community suffocated by a 'code of conduct' that IIRC basically shuttered stuff like Star Trek: Continues (open to correction, and on Axanar, that crew share the blame here by trying to commercialise their project).

The CBS lawyers are also fairly twitchy, just this week throwing a Cease and Desist towards an innocent virtual recreation of the Enterprise-D. This isn't uncommon - Fox / WB are equally aggressive towards these sort of things - but it's also petty and sours a community.

The 50th anniversary passed by without much fanfare from CBS; I'm not sure what they should have done, but again IIRC there was a token documentary and that was it. Meanwhile, DS9, Voyager and Enterprise remain without a remaster 'cos of greed over the equivalent for TNG that eventually flopped.

And as for Discovery itself, I think it eventually came good, but not without a lot of panic and chaos in the production. Remember how this was supposed to be an anthology series from Bryan Fuller? Yes, previous iterations have had rocky starts - and made the argument myself - but it's not really something Trek should be aiming for. About 3/4s of the first season was a mess, and its almost aggressive separation from preexisting series arguably alienated a chunk of its audience before it even came out.

The recent news about Picard's return and Alex Kurtzman's 'master plan' doesn't inspire faith either: I mean ostensibly the return of Captain Picard could be a good idea - if done right. But between this and Discovery it feels like CBS' plans are more about nostalgia trawling than forging a new path for the franchise.

And that's before we even talk about the holy mess that is the Paramount / CBS rights: no idea how that circle gets squared.

So honestly? No, I don't think CBS do know what to do with the Trek license, bar make some licensing money off Netflix.

AtomicHorror · 27-09-2018 4:49pm

pixelburp wrote: »

The CBS lawyers are also fairly twitchy, just this week throwing a Cease and Desist towards an innocent virtual recreation of the Enterprise-D. This isn't uncommon - Fox / WB are equally aggressive towards these sort of things - but it's also petty and sours a community.

I've been following that project and this is a real shame.

That's the second one of those projects they have shut down. All that work from devoted fans to create something that would probably never be profitable, appealing only to other fans with a real love of TNG. A project CBS would simply never fund and could therefore never be said to be in competition with.

All that creates is bitterness and resentment.

The creatives behind Discovery have an exciting vision for Star Trek, but the greater CBS are idiots.

pixelburp · 27-09-2018 5:16pm

I suppose to be devil's advocate, it was technically CBS' legal reps who made the C&D and without understanding fan communities presumably saw the recreation as 'too good' for amateur work - but ultimately the direction came down from the studio itself. It's a phenomenally petty action, and just erodes the good will between your fanbase and franchise - especially after Axanar being a big enough rift to begin with. And especially given Discovery ruffled enough feathers as it stands.

CBS don't give a damn about Star Trek beyond how much money it can make, and I suspect the fact the rights are split between two studios means they only see it as a half-franchise, not something worth too much investment, lest it benefits someone else.

In fact, I only barely remember it and can't find the source, but I swear I read the CBS CEO claim their apathy towards Trek was down to a belief nobody watched Sci-Fi anymore. This being a station whose content is lobsided towards all those police procedurals that clog up the airwaves (NCIS, SWAT, Hawaii-5-0 etc.). They literally wouldn't know what to do with Trek because it just isn't their bag.

Inviere · 27-09-2018 5:19pm

AtomicHorror wrote: »

I've been following that project and this is a real shame.

That's the second one of those projects they have shut down. All that work from devoted fans to create something that would probably never be profitable, appealing only to other fans with a real love of TNG. A project CBS would simply never fund and could therefore never be said to be in competition with.

All that creates is bitterness and resentment.

The creatives behind Discovery have an exciting vision for Star Trek, but the greater CBS are idiots.

To make matters worse, the devs of Stage9 purposely didn’t release the latest version of their work in VR so it didn’t conflict in any way with the release of the TNG Bridge Crew DLC. They released a desktop only version of it, and everyone was hyped for the newest VR version. So much for good will. Assholes.

TheValeyard · 27-09-2018 9:59pm

It was an amazing project. Loved the VR and non VR version.

This kinda CBS crap just pisses everyone off.

fritzelly · 27-09-2018 10:11pm

Many years ago went to the see the Star Trek exhibition in London. Apart from the Enterprise bridge everything else was pretty crap. Expecting to see real stuff from the series but most stuff looked like cheap remodels - even the phasers looked like some one had just carved some wood to look like a phaser. I wonder was CBS involved in that? Probably

AtomicHorror · 27-09-2018 11:18pm

fritzelly wrote: »

Many years ago went to the see the Star Trek exhibition in London. Apart from the Enterprise bridge everything else was pretty crap. Expecting to see real stuff from the series but most stuff looked like cheap remodels - even the phasers looked like some one had just carved some wood to look like a phaser. I wonder was CBS involved in that? Probably

It's entirely possible the crap was legit. Background props don't tend to hold up well to close inspection, particularly from pre-HD era TV. Unless it's a "hero" prop, it'll be pretty crude.

Ethereal Cereal · 28-09-2018 8:27am

AtomicHorror wrote: »

It's entirely possible the crap was legit. Background props don't tend to hold up well to close inspection, particularly from pre-HD era TV. Unless it's a "hero" prop, it'll be pretty crude.

The phaser Archer used in the mirror episode of Enterprise was actually a toy phaser that was on sale at the time.

TheIrishGrover · 28-09-2018 11:40am

Yeah, I mean it's not like they hate Trek - it makes them a lot of money. However it does seem strange how they treat it. Star Trek is possibly the most famous franchise on TV. Everyone knows about it, even if they don't watch it.
It never has received the mainstream crossover that some genre shows have: The Walking Dead, Game of Thrones, Lost etc. But it still has a large following that generates a pretty large and reliable income.
Production costs are probably quite high for a station that has few genre shows. Their shows consist of comedy and cop shows (The Big Bang Theory, various NCIS shows etc). And the whole convoluted legality of movies etc certainly doesn't help. Especially as, while the movies do OK, they are never gonna be up there with the Superhero and Star Wars movies.

As someone said, the 50th anniversary passed last year with barely a blip. Sci-Fi has never been hotter and it would have been a perfect time to carpet bomb media with Trek updates: Movie, "New series starting TODAY!!!!!", reinvention/reboot. Retrospectives etc.

So, while I don't think the hate Trek, I do believe that they begrudge the costs involved for the revenue received. They'll keep it going in case it suddenly does go full-on mainstream but really they are just dabbling their feet.

pixelburp · 28-09-2018 3:26pm

A trailer for the first of these "Short Trek" episodes; definitely looks like they're keeping them cheap & cheerful 'bottle' style stories:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juJEA6Hz9Nw

Optimus Prime · 01-10-2018 8:37pm

New poster for season 2. That look a bit like the Romulan insignia to anyone else?

pixelburp · 01-10-2018 8:46pm

That red, winged ... something could be seen in the trailer too. Presumably the origin of these dots across the galaxy

Optimus Prime · 01-10-2018 8:50pm

yeh it just reminds me of the Romulans, when you take into account their log, and the bird on their old ship from the original series.

fritzelly · 01-10-2018 9:23pm

Poster is a link to Spock so Romulans may be part of it

Evade · 02-10-2018 1:23am

Optimus Prime wrote: »

New poster for season 2. That look a bit like the Romulan insignia to anyone else?

If that does turn out to be Romulan would that be STD dropping all pretense that it isn't a reboot?

FutureGuy · 02-10-2018 11:31am

If you haven't seen the trailers...

The poster has 7 red blips, teh same as in the trailer. The winged entity is also in the trailer.

It's nothing to do with Romulans in my opinion.

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