The Orville

29-09-2017 9:12pm

Seriously. 4 episodes in and the ex marriage is being brought up. Again.

Slydice · 29-09-2017 9:49pm

Episode 4 was solid. Top cameos! The Angriest

Angel from Space Above and Beyond

. I hope that's not a one time only!

There was also

yer man from Heroes playing the baddie

Also Starring LeVar Burton · 29-09-2017 10:22pm

This is getting stronger by the episode. There was a much better balance of comedy with the drama this week, while it had been quite jarring previously, so it flowed a lot better in that regard. The caliber of guest stars this week with Robert Knepper, James Morrison, and Max Burkholder (all of whom I'm a fan of from other shows they've done), was great too. Not to mention that unexpected cameo of

Liam Neeson

!!!

Slydice wrote: »

There was also
yer man from Heroes playing the baddie

Of all the memorable roles Robert Knepper has had, it pains me to hear him described as "yer man from Heroes" when he was only brought in to that for it's last season in an attempt to boost ratings. That said I'm a big fan of Prison Break, iZombie, Twin Peaks, Stargate Universe, and many other shows I watch in which he's made guest or recurring appearances, so maybe I'm just more familiar with his repertoire... He actually appeared in an episode of both Next Generation and Voyager as well by the way.

robert%2Bknepper.jpg

Slydice · 29-09-2017 10:56pm

Also Starring LeVar Burton wrote: »

Stargate Universe

Ack! That one I felt I shouldve remembered. Haven't seen some of those other shows. The screenshot from TNG looks familiar.

He really was in tonnes of stuff:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Knepper

Hitman also jumps out.

astrofool · 30-09-2017 11:17pm

Enjoying this, Galaxy Quest the series basically

_Kaiser_ · 01-10-2017 11:01am

astrofool wrote: »

Enjoying this, Galaxy Quest the series basically

I'd disagree.. I know the initial trailers pitched it that way, but 4 episodes in and it's a lot deeper and nuanced than that.

I've read a lot about Seth being the weakest part of it, but I disagree.. I think the awkward jokes and observations are part of his character trying to fit in/bond with his crew, and partly why he was no-one's first choice for the mission.

Also.. music when they board the ship this week was straight out of TMP when the Enterprise is pulled deeper into V'Ger

_Kaiser_ · 01-10-2017 11:35am

Just finished the 4th episode there... really enjoyed it!

The Moleman · 01-10-2017 12:36pm

I watched the first episode last night.

I like the lightheartedness and good old fashioned adventure of it.

A good bit of the "humour" was cringe-worthy though - very out of place and just not funny.

"We need never fear the banana again", "I loosened it for you" and stepping on the jelly crewmenber were funny.

"Can I drink soda on duty" and "can I wear short" are among the terrible moments. The pilot and the navigator are just awful - annoying and wooden respectively.

I'm hoping the show embraces the fun action aspect and drops the bad sitcom dialogue moments.

seamus · 02-10-2017 2:45pm

Enjoyed that fourth episode alright. They're very much going for an early TNG/early SG1 vibe of stand alone episodes; getting to know the characters, getting to know the universe, etc.

They're setting up the Krill as a long-running antagonist but without getting too deep into it at the start. I think that's the mistake that Enterprise made; diving too quickly into a big story arc without a settling-in period.

silverharp · 02-10-2017 3:42pm

Watched 4 last night, strongest episode so far and main plot could easily have been a Next Gen or Voyager story line. One thing I like is that given its a comedy I don't care if they are always logical or consistent. I like the banter at the helm the "boom b1tch" comment was a hoot.

General question, are they at risk of being sued? or did they get any prior permission to make a series so close to Trek? you imagine other productions have been sued for less.

DMcL1971 · 02-10-2017 3:56pm

silverharp wrote: »

General question, are they at risk of being sued? or did they get any prior permission to make a series so close to Trek? you imagine other productions have been sued for less.

I don't imagine they are in any danger of being sued. They are not using anything that could be copyrighted. No federation, no character names or ship names, no references to anything at all from Star Trek. On paper it is in no way connected to Star trek.

Other fan fiction stuff has been sued because they used existing characters and ship names and created sequels to specific Star Trek stories.

silverharp · 02-10-2017 4:13pm

DMcL1971 wrote: »

I don't imagine they are in any danger of being sued. They are not using anything that could be copyrighted. No federation, no character names or ship names, no references to anything at all from Star Trek. On paper it is in no way connected to Star trek.

Other fan fiction stuff has been sued because they used existing characters and ship names and created sequels to specific Star Trek stories.

I was thinking of Timeless, they were being sued by the Spanish production company of the original Spanish equivalent of the show. They came to some type of agreement though.

seamus · 03-10-2017 9:30am

I guess if they include enough original elements in the overall universe then they're safe enough. Star Trek can't claim a copyright on the concept of space exploration, or futuristic technology and the likes. They would have to show very specific elements of the ST universe have been stolen or copied and used as major points in the show.

So with enough uniqueness - rear-mounted engines, no transporters - the Orville can legitimately claim that it's just another series based in space. Probably about the closest to the bone elements are the uniforms. Even then, ST can't claim copyright since they change their own uniforms a lot. And the use of colour in uniforms to distinguish a person's role is not something that ST invented.

Greyjoy · 03-10-2017 12:09pm

The Moleman wrote: »

"Can I drink soda on duty" and "can I wear short" are among the terrible moments. The pilot and the navigator are just awful - annoying and wooden respectively.

I found these two characters way too similar in tone. You could easily swap their lines between them and nothing would change.

07-10-2017 12:37am

OK McFarlane is pulling all the friends into this. That was a massive cameo after last week's.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Patrick Stewart pop up now

corkie · 07-10-2017 1:11pm

Deleted User wrote: »

OK McFarlane is pulling all the friends into this. That was a massive cameo after last week's.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Patrick Stewart pop up now

It is rumored that he will be making a cameo appearance!

Also Scott Bakula

corkie · 09-10-2017 1:14pm

The Orville Season 2 Likely According To Seth MacFarlane

09-10-2017 4:42pm

I don't know -- I'm enjoying it, but it might get a bit frustrating if they keep introducing star after star after star. It'll start to feel a bit like Extras.

Spear · 09-10-2017 4:51pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't know -- I'm enjoying it, but it might get a bit frustrating if they keep introducing star after star after star. It'll start to feel a bit like Extras.

It's Seth going through his list of mates basically. They're all his past/current project co-stars.

09-10-2017 5:25pm

Spear wrote: »

It's Seth going through his list of mates basically. They're all his past/current project co-stars.

I kind of figured that. But it kinda feels like they've no confidence in the show by itself.

silverharp · 09-10-2017 8:25pm

the last episode was good, they made a gaffe with the leg which seemed lazy

Blazer · 10-10-2017 1:08am

Boom Bitch... lmao how many times did I imagine someone like O’Brien or Worf sayimg something like that. Finally a bit of character for the nav.

Cookie_Monster · 10-10-2017 11:15pm

the whole year inn · 11-10-2017 12:17am

I really enjoyed it,same as most posters I was on the fence for the first episode ,to be fair I thought it was going to be an out and out comedy but by ep 4 it knew what it was.
No one mentions Norm Mcdonald could be brilliant.

Slydice · 11-10-2017 9:05pm

Decent episode. Top guest star! I laughed a lot at the leg

Really finding the ambient ship noise thing feels comforting or something like that.

degrassinoel · 13-10-2017 12:41pm

some fantastic writing in episode 6 'The Krill'

cool how the krill look so much like the jem'hadar, pretty sure that was done on purpose too.

darkly comic in places, couldn't help but laugh out loud at the

Avis jokes and Gordon being stabbed in the new leg

Quality episode.

silverharp · 15-10-2017 3:30pm

I thought the plot devise to take back the ship was weak but overall decent episode

seamus · 18-10-2017 10:35am

Blazer wrote: »

Boom Bitch... lmao how many times did I imagine someone like O’Brien or Worf sayimg something like that. Finally a bit of character for the nav.

Funny, I was watching Generations on TV the other night and after they destroy the Duras sisters' ship, Data does the victory fist thing, saying "Yes!".

Reminded me of your comment. I guess since Generations was the first thing produced without Roddenberry, they felt like they could divert from established practice. Previously they would never have shown an officer celebrating the destruction of a ship.

Goodshape · 18-10-2017 11:05am

seamus wrote: »

Funny, I was watching Generations on TV the other night and after they destroy the Duras sisters' ship, Data does the victory fist thing, saying "Yes!".

Awful moment, along with "Go to hell" (Spock, ST VI), "Oh, ****!" (Data in Generations, again), and "to hell with our orders" (Data, again, in First Contact).

I thought Tilly's exclamation

in the recent Discovery episode was much better placed than any of those.

Greyjoy · 18-10-2017 3:51pm

I thought they overdid it with the 'Avis' jokes but I did get a laugh out of Mercer making a speech before the hailing channel was open. I liked the ending, it didn't let Mercer off the hook morally over what he did on the ship.

Surely they could have incapacitated the Krill crew instead of outright killing them?

degrassinoel · 18-10-2017 10:40pm

Greyjoy wrote: »

I thought they overdid it with the 'Avis' jokes but I did get a laugh out of Mercer making a speech before the hailing channel was open. I liked the ending, it didn't let Mercer off the hook morally over what he did on the ship.
Surely they could have incapacitated the Krill crew instead of outright killing them?

Time wasn't on their side either, so i'd go with what he did from that perspective as a means to an end - ye get to understand both sides of it, and there's where the writing shone, for me anyway.

19-10-2017 9:49am

The Avis joke was way too much. It's odd; for a show with one of the best comedy writers of recent years, they don't know when to end a joke.

James Brown · 19-10-2017 2:13pm

Yeah. One joke/reference to Avis would have done it.
It still manages to mix silly comedy with a darker element. The jokes and the reference to the children and their reaction to the crew being burned alive. Pretty impressive.

BrookieD · 20-10-2017 6:58pm

Found Ep 6 to be the best, Avis aside i found it took a dark twist at the end and looked to set up a good long term arc with the krill

corkie · 21-10-2017 3:53pm

No episode this week --- a recap instead!

AMKC · 22-10-2017 3:28pm

degrassinoel wrote: »

some fantastic writing in episode 6 'The Krill'

cool how the krill look so much like the jem'hadar, pretty sure that was done on purpose too.

darkly comic in places, couldn't help but laugh out loud at the
Avis jokes and Gordon being stabbed in the new leg

Quality episode.

I agree they look very lie the Jem'hader but without the need for katricil white instead they are

brainwashed by there religion

silverharp wrote: »

I thought the plot devise to take back the ship was weak but overall decent episode

What you mean? They never had to take back any ship

seamus wrote: »

Funny, I was watching Generations on TV the other night and after they destroy the Duras sisters' ship, Data does the victory fist thing, saying "Yes!".

He had is emotion chip in.

Reminded me of your comment. I guess since Generations was the first thing produced without Roddenberry, they felt like they could divert from established practice. Previously they would never have shown an officer celebrating the destruction of a ship.

Data had his emotion chip in thats why he said that. He was still getting used to his emotion chip.

Goodshape wrote: »

Awful moment, along with "Go to hell" (Spock, ST VI), "Oh, ****!" (Data in Generations, again), and "to hell with our orders" (Data, again, in First Contact).
I thought Tilly's exclamation
in the recent Discovery episode was much better placed than any of those.

Jeez man lighten up. I love all them sayings and a little comedy which has always been done well in Star Trek is good.

I get a great laugh seeing Data saying that.

So what you you say if you about to crash into a planet as your ship is out of control and there is nothing you can do? Maybe "Awe here we go" or "well we are on the way now"

Greyjoy wrote: »

I thought they overdid it with the 'Avis' jokes but I did get a laugh out of Mercer making a speech before the hailing channel was open. I liked the ending, it didn't let Mercer off the hook morally over what he did on the ship.
Surely they could have incapacitated the Krill crew instead of outright killing them?

They don,t seem to have a problem destroying Krill ships. So far they have

destryed 3 Krill ships and killed the crew off a fourth to capture it

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Yeah. One joke/reference to Avis would have done it.
It still manages to mix silly comedy with a darker element. The jokes and the reference to the children and their reaction to the crew being burned alive. Pretty impressive.

But they never seen that happen

BrookieD wrote: »

Found Ep 6 to be the best, Avis aside i found it took a dark twist at the end and looked to set up a good long term arc with the krill

I preferred episode,s 4 and 5 myself. If this show is PG rated how could they get away with the gruesome scene in the church?

corkie wrote: »

No episode this week --- a recap instead!

Awe boring. Why no show this week?

degrassinoel · 22-10-2017 5:55pm

corkie wrote: »

No episode this week --- a recap instead!

lol Mass Effect music in that recap

haha

Shame about the delay, is that a superbowl thing or something?

22-10-2017 6:17pm

No real attempts at humour in the recap. Signaling a change of tone perhaps?

Kirby · 27-10-2017 8:13am

Goodshape wrote: »

Awful moment, along with "Go to hell" (Spock, ST VI), "Oh, ****!" (Data in Generations, again), and "to hell with our orders" (Data, again, in First Contact).

It was Data with his emotion chip....and I thought it was great.

Think back to TNG and that scene with Data in command, bringing Worf into the ready room and chastising him about orders and command. Now compare that to... "to hell with our orders".

It shows character growth. I thought that was a great line for Data.

degrassinoel · 28-10-2017 9:00am

The new episode (#7 Majority Rule) was very familiar, if you've watched black mirror, you'll see what i mean.

Done slightly different, didn't expect it to go the way it did, but that's just how this show seems to work.

More recognizable guest stars, specifically

Major Hayes from Enterprise hah

not as good as previous episodes though, was expecting more from this episode, and i guess having seen the topic tackled elsewhere already i found myself associating it with BM more than enjoying it for what it is.

Still enjoyable though

28-10-2017 9:16am

Honestly if you've seen Insurrection, Who Watches the Watchers, First Contact (Malcor episode), and TOS Earth like episodes then you've seen this.

That doesn't mean it's bad and the social commentary is fun, just highly derivative

silverharp · 28-10-2017 11:51am

^^^

as I hadnt seen any of these shows I thought it was cool, they made a good poke at the retarded sjw's cultural appropriation and the money scene seemed to be a nod to the 4th movie. A very good episode where the comedy was toned down and im sure won anyone over who wasnt sure about the comedy element to the show.
Production values were light in this episode but they get away with it as a one off.

DMcL1971 · 28-10-2017 1:22pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Honestly if you've seen Insurrection, Who Watches the Watchers, First Contact (Malcor episode), and TOS Earth like episodes then you've seen this.

That doesn't mean it's bad and the social commentary is fun, just highly derivative

The concept of an advanced raise moving in secret among a less advanced raise is standard sci-fi fare alright. That was not the part I found interesting.

The social commentary in this episode was what was interesting, with its commentary on cultural appropriation, apology tours, public shaming, reality TV, rating or voting on everything. Some of the concepts are quite new and particularly relevant to modern internet society, so, I wouldn't consider them derivative.

Not to mention the interesting idea of a completely democratic society with no leadership. If everyone decides on what they want without any leadership then it is possible that nothing will ever get decided and opinions will become more extreme and we may lean towards a lowest common denominator society.

silverharp · 28-10-2017 1:47pm

DMcL1971 wrote: »

Not to mention the interesting idea of a completely democratic society with no leadership. If everyone decides on what they want without any leadership then it is possible that nothing will ever get decided and opinions will become more extreme and we may lean towards a lowest common denominator society.

its an interesting idea, they tend to over egg the idea by having it so extreme , humans wouldnt vote to be killed for making a social faux pas they would erm be out voted :pac:

28-10-2017 2:12pm

Previous franchises of Trek have touched on how worlds would operate and the different crew members going against these and while they had their social commentaries, it still felt Trek. This was just like it was trying to be Black Mirror.

28-10-2017 2:17pm

silverharp wrote: »

its an interesting idea, they tend to over egg the idea by having it so extreme , humans wouldnt vote to be killed for making a social faux pas they would erm be out voted :pac:

They weren't being killed, they were being "corrected"

It was a good device for commentary, however, trial by social media is rampant now days, costing jobs and prospects, for minute to major issues with an immediate presumption of guilt.

Look to the trouble that college professor got into because some SJW group thought he was at the Nazi parade in Charlottsville, or the automatic presumption of guilt at any guy being accused of Sexual harassment (guilty or no there is no legal process being followed, it's all playing out on social media)

silverharp · 28-10-2017 3:07pm

Deleted User wrote: »

They weren't being killed, they were being "corrected"

It was a good device for commentary, however, trial by social media is rampant now days, costing jobs and prospects, for minute to major issues with an immediate presumption of guilt.

Look to the trouble that college professor got into because some SJW group thought he was at the Nazi parade in Charlottsville, or the automatic presumption of guilt at any guy being accused of Sexual harassment (guilty or no there is no legal process being followed, it's all playing out on social media)

it was some kind of lobotomy so a death of sorts. it plays social media outrage well, but normally depends on small numbers with extreme views.

degrassinoel · 28-10-2017 4:57pm

silverharp wrote: »

it was some kind of lobotomy so a death of sorts. it plays social media outrage well, but normally depends on small numbers with extreme views.

particularly relevant here lol

gloobag · 28-10-2017 5:12pm

Very unsatisfying episode, like all of them so far in my opinion. Yet again, the awful attempts at comedy and mostly terrible cast continue to take any joy out of it for me. Just when I find something to like about an episode, they drop some crap joke that ruins it. It's hard to take their social commentary seriously when the humour fails to land as often as this does.

degrassinoel · 28-10-2017 6:10pm

gloobag wrote: »

Very unsatisfying episode, like all of them so far in my opinion. Yet again, the awful attempts at comedy and mostly terrible cast continue to take any joy out of it for me. Just when I find something to like about an episode, they drop some crap joke that ruins it. It's hard to take their social commentary seriously when the humour fails to land as often as this does.

if ye feel that way after 7 episodes, might be time to watch something else instead

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