The war on meat

MarkHenderson · 17-01-2019 11:04pm

Just put a nice steak on the pan after reading this thread.

Harry Palmr · 17-01-2019 11:06pm

BeerWolf wrote: »

I ain't changing my diet because people can't curb overbreeding. If anything the world should be encouraging the reduction of the world's population.

Reduction suggests putting people to death of course!. The global population will rise until death and birth rates match, the fertility rate is dropping quickly now but it'll be end of the century before equaibrium is achieved as the average lifespan increases.

Dakota Dan · 17-01-2019 11:08pm

pconn062 wrote: »

It would, but we simply can't have a mature conversation about the enviroment and meat eating in this country. All you'll get is stupid jokes and unthinking comments. We're so far behind other countries when it comes to tackling these issues, it's laughable. People won't even consider reducing their meat consumption slightly, despite the massive effect large scale farming has on the enviroment. Something will have to change though, and most likely it will have to be forced on us.

Maybe you should check out what large scale farming really is.

marvin80 · 17-01-2019 11:09pm

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Funny you should mention cars, you can measure how far you can drive on a years worth of energy to grow a steak.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjUiI782vXfAhVcShUIHZ3kC5AQzPwBegQIARAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fscience-environment-46459714&psig=AOvVaw35-CsKYL0jqP4jPoPc1Jrw&ust=1547845234265713

So I put in Lamb 1 to 2 times a week (which I don't eat - it's more 1 or 2 times a month but anyway) and it said over an entire year of consumption it's 'like taking 1 return flight from London to Malaga' - so why aren't we telling people to cut back on foreign holidays, weekends away etc..

I reckon meat consumption in Ireland hasn't increased majorly in Ireland over the last 50 years if you compare it to the increase of cars and airplanes but there's more money to be made from cars/airplanes etc.. so there not talking much about them.

lbc2019 · 17-01-2019 11:12pm

We eat meat far more often than we used to tbf- no issue cutting back a bit I suppose

Johnnyhpipe · 17-01-2019 11:12pm

What a load of ol bollocks

emaherx · 17-01-2019 11:16pm

lbc2019 wrote: »

We eat meat far more often than we used to tbf- no issue cutting back a bit I suppose

Yes many people consume far too much meat but the suggestion of the report is not cutting back a bit though and they also want us to cut out the spuds! (So basically reduce our carbon footprint buy cutting out local produce?)

Blaizes · 17-01-2019 11:20pm

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Reduction suggests putting people to death of course!. The global population will rise until death and birth rates match, the fertility rate is dropping quickly now but it'll be end of the century before equaibrium is achieved as the average lifespan increases.

How does reduction suggestion putting people to death - your words not posters.It's about using contraception and not breeding like rabbits.

Rows Grower · 17-01-2019 11:20pm

I'll be stocking up on those Sirloin steaks in Lidl for the next week at 1.50 a pop.

The cows are dead anyway so it would be a sin not to.

whisky_galore · 17-01-2019 11:20pm

emaherx wrote: »

Yes many people consume far too much meat but the suggestion of the report is not cutting back a bit though and they also want us to cut out the spuds! (So basically reduce our carbon footprint buy cutting out local produce?)

Cut out the one thing that actually grows well here in most areas! :rolleyes:

s7ryf3925pivug · 17-01-2019 11:21pm

emaherx wrote: »

Yes many people consume far too much meat but the suggestion of the report is not cutting back a bit though and they also want us to cut out the spuds! (So basically reduce our carbon footprint buy cutting out local produce?)

It’s about human health too. I guess that is the reason for starchy veg being cut. They cause your blood sugar to spike.

alexmalalex · 17-01-2019 11:21pm

What the fook are we, birds?

Do they want us to eat seed and forage for worms?

Look, I'd rather die than have to give up the food I like. Even if my diet kills me ten years early (which it likely will), I'd rather spend my limited time on earth eating real food and no seeds and nuts....

Billy86 · 17-01-2019 11:25pm

whisky_galore wrote: »

Scarinae wrote: »

You wouldn't necessarily just be spooning dead bugs into your mouth though! I've eaten a brownie made from cricket flour and it was absolutely delicious, I would never have guessed it was made from insects if I hadn't been told.

By and large Westerners wouldn't eat it because of the ick factor, it'd be a hard sell.

Largely true, but the same could be said for Irish people and sushi 20 years ago.

Grayditch · 17-01-2019 11:25pm

I went vegetarian last year to see if I could. Still am. No big deal to me. I still have my cheese and beer.

17-01-2019 11:27pm

We’ve some of the best beef in the world. So let’s become the world supplier of beef- since the world can only eat 1/2 a burger a year now, there’ll be plenty for everyone- and of course, reserve rib eyes and T Bone cuts for Ireland

emaherx · 17-01-2019 11:27pm

Billy86 wrote: »

Largely true, but the same could be said for Irish people and sushi 20 years ago.

I'd be more than willing to give the crickets a go but you can keep your sushi!

Dakota Dan · 17-01-2019 11:29pm

So this was a study done by 20 influential food scientists who's names conveniently are not mentioned, they also mention environmental destruction, so what qualifications do food scientists have on the environment? A study means nothing without valid proof to back up their claims.

Johnnycanyon · 17-01-2019 11:30pm

Dakota Dan wrote: »

That was called out for what it was years ago which was nonsense. A documentary full of lies to reel in gullible fools.

I am no expert on it but some of it wasn't too far from the truth one example being destruction of the rain forest for farming animals and growing grain for the shed fed cattle in the US..this is a well proven fact.

Jerry Atrick · 17-01-2019 11:32pm

wakka12 wrote: »

What a silly argument. India would be even worse off if beef consumption was common

Unlikely buddy

Dakota Dan · 17-01-2019 11:32pm

alexmalalex wrote: »

What the fook are we, birds?

Do they want us to eat seed and forage for worms?

Look, I'd rather die than have to give up the food I like. Even if my diet kills me ten years early (which it likely will), I'd rather spend my limited time on earth eating real food and no seeds and nuts....

They are cribbing about overpopulation on one hand and wanting people to eat so called healthy food on the other, do they not see the irony?

17-01-2019 11:35pm

marvin80 wrote: »

So I put in Lamb 1 to 2 times a week (which I don't eat - it's more 1 or 2 times a month but anyway) and it said over an entire year of consumption it's 'like taking 1 return flight from London to Malaga' - so why aren't we telling people to cut back on foreign holidays, weekends away etc..

I reckon meat consumption in Ireland hasn't increased majorly in Ireland over the last 50 years if you compare it to the increase of cars and airplanes but there's more money to be made from cars/airplanes etc.. so there not talking much about them.

Ah no it has. The percentage of overall household income spent on food has dramatically reduced in the last 50 years because incomes have increased and meat has become cheaper relative to incomes earned. Meat was hugely expensive 40 years ago when compared to income levels and household budgets at the time- so a lot less was consumed.

AllForIt · 17-01-2019 11:36pm

Before we have a war on meat we should have a war on sugar.

If we win that war then we need a war on processed meat, which is not a war on meat, just a problem with disgusting processed meat and processed food in general.

Then if we win that war we can have a war about noting in particular, just for the craic.

Renegade Mechanic · 17-01-2019 11:37pm

MrMusician18 wrote: »

This will be necessary to ensure the 10bn mouths will get enough calories.

Or, or, orrrrrrr we do whatever it takes to stop the population from reaching ten billion.
Wouldn't that be nice?

Dakota Dan · 17-01-2019 11:38pm

Johnnycanyon wrote: »

I am no expert on it but some of it wasn't too far from the truth one example being destruction of the rain forest for farming animals and growing grain for the shed fed cattle in the US..this is a well proven fact.

Most grain fed to cattle is by products of grain grown for human consumption and also grain grown on land that is not fit for human consumption. The rain forest has nothing to do with Europe.

emaherx · 17-01-2019 11:39pm

Johnnycanyon wrote: »

I am no expert on it but some of it wasn't too far from the truth one example being destruction of the rain forest for farming animals and growing grain for the shed fed cattle in the US..this is a well proven fact.

Not far from the truth is what they do best...
Rain forest being cut down to grow food and vanity products for humans and the by-products being used to feed cattle. The stalky by products weigh more than the main cash crop and account for 80% of the mass so they say it's mostly cut down to feed cattle.

tayto lover · 17-01-2019 11:40pm

I'm going to start eating salads, mushrooms etc with my big tender sirloin steaks.
A lot of these studies are conducted by crackpots.

Flippyfloppy · 17-01-2019 11:41pm

Tilikum17 wrote: »

I have one person on boards on ignore and looking at your last few posts I bet that’s who your replying to. He/she is in every single thread concerning veganism or anything to do with the benefits of a plant based diet. So much so I’d say there’s two people using that account. Posting at all hours. Clearly working for bord bia or the dairy industry.

Either that or they should be in the second series of ‘you’ on Netflix.

Yes I agree, there's definitely something up with that account. And it's the same phrases over and over used.....

Cockford Ollie · 17-01-2019 11:43pm

I doubt Leo is going to stop by putting hot meat into his mouth.

whisky_galore · 17-01-2019 11:43pm

Dakota Dan wrote: »

They are cribbing about overpopulation on one hand and wanting people to eat so called healthy food on the other, do they not see the irony?

Eat the surplus people.

Sorted.

McCrack · 17-01-2019 11:46pm

Cockford Ollie wrote: »

I doubt Leo is going to stop by putting hot meat into his mouth.

1/10 (for trying)

Ronaldinho · 17-01-2019 11:47pm

tayto lover wrote: »

A lot of these studies are conducted by crackpots.

More likely shills paid off by private business to advance their interests.

robman60 · 17-01-2019 11:51pm

To be honest I definitely get the vegetarian argument, particularly from an animal rights viewpoint but also environmentally.

However, I just think vegetarian meals are so unsatisfying. I don't feel as if I've had a proper meal after it. I think the problem is a lot of the things served instead of meat are, nutritionally, insufficient. For example, at my college today I had the chicken and the vegetarian alternative main was a large mushroom with lentils. Another time I had a cauliflower curry. It just doesn't tick the right food groups.

Ronaldinho · 17-01-2019 11:51pm

whisky_galore wrote: »

Eat the surplus people.

Sorted.

Dakota Dan · 17-01-2019 11:51pm

whisky_galore wrote: »

Eat the surplus people.

Sorted.

They say human meat is the tastiest, lets eat all the fatties

Richard Hillman · 17-01-2019 11:51pm

Thankfully the agriculture lobby is too powerful to start them putting extra taxes on meat but it is the next big "cause". It will creep in slowly and in about 10-15 years we'll start to see the establishment go after it.

If we keep on progressing the way we are and without a radical rebellion against it, in 30-40 years time we will be going to our dinner tables with a la carte menus set by the government and whoever takes over from Jamie Oliver as the policeman of our fridges.

17-01-2019 11:52pm

emaherx wrote: »

I'd be more than willing to give the crickets a go but you can keep your sushi!

Insects are a significant part of some people’s diet, protein in some African countries and elsewhere. There are certain times of the year when plagues erupt and the people are out Day and night harvesting the insects.

Dakota Dan · 17-01-2019 11:55pm

Ronaldinho wrote: »

More likely shills paid off by private business to advance their interests.

Nameless shills that seem to be qualified in different fields, very convenient.

emaherx · 17-01-2019 11:56pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Insects are a significant part of some people’s diet, protein in some African countries and elsewhere. There are certain times of the year when plagues erupt and the people are out Day and night harvesting the insects.

Well they are killed in their billions the feed vegans it's a pity so many go to waste. #SmallLivesMatter

Johnnycanyon · 17-01-2019 11:56pm

Dakota Dan wrote: »

Most grain fed to cattle is by products of grain grown for human consumption and also grain grown on land that is not fit for human consumption. The rain forest has nothing to do with Europe.

The report by the Lancet was regarding the diet of the world as a whole not only Europe..You have your opinion on the rain forest and I have mine. I tend to believe my facts are accurate but again I am no expert on the subject.Are you?

wakka12 · 18-01-2019 12:01am

BeerWolf wrote: »

I ain't changing my diet because people can't curb overbreeding. If anything the world should be encouraging the reduction of the world's population.

The most harmful effects are from people in the first world like you who can afford to eat lots of meat not the billions of asians living on a pot of rice daily

Anyway whenever I read threads like this on boards it just solidifies my view that the world is doomed to be destoryed by global warming. Nobody wants to make any changes to their lifestyle(even the most absolutely minimal changes, such as eating less meat) until it personally negatively effects them and by then itll be too late to reverse it

DS86DS · 18-01-2019 12:01am

We have been eating meat as humans for the past 200,000 years. Among the archeological findings at countless Stone Age sites throughout Europe, there is ample proof that our ancestors consumed meat.

The desire for meat is going nowhere. I agree that we need to invent a cleaner and more efficient form of meat farming...... but any attempts to get rid of meat altogether will go nowhere.

We are after hundreds of thousands of years of evolution, designed to eat meat.....and our bodies rely on meat for optimal health and survival.

emaherx · 18-01-2019 12:04am

wakka12 wrote: »

The most harmful effects are from people in the first world like you who can afford to eat lots of meat not the billions of asians living on a pot of rice daily

Anyway whenever I read threads like this on boards it just solidifies my view that the world is doomed to be destoryed by global warming. Nobody wants to make any changes to their lifestyle until it personally negatively effects them and by then itll be too late to reverse it

You should look into the environmental impact of growing rice!

Blaizes · 18-01-2019 12:04am

robman60 wrote: »

To be honest I definitely get the vegetarian argument, particularly from an animal rights viewpoint but also environmentally.

However, I just think vegetarian meals are so unsatisfying. I don't feel as if I've had a proper meal after it. I think the problem is a lot of the things served instead of meat are, nutritionally, insufficient. For example, at my college today I had the chicken and the vegetarian alternative main was a large mushroom with lentils. Another time I had a cauliflower curry. It just doesn't tick the right food groups.

Yes, I think you are right and I feel the same way, while I don't mind eating lots of vegetables and fruit in summer ( when we get one ) or on holiday I like eating meat in winter here especially. It feels more nutritious protein, iron in beef etc.My children enjoy meat too and I would not like to have to put them on a vegetable only diet.As you say it just doesn't tick the right boxes.

emaherx · 18-01-2019 12:05am

Johnnycanyon wrote: »

The report by the Lancet was regarding the diet of the world as a whole not only Europe..You have your opinion on the rain forest and I have mine. I tend to believe my facts are accurate but again I am no expert on the subject.Are you?

:P

wakka12 · 18-01-2019 12:06am

emaherx wrote: »

You should look into the environmental impact of growing rice!

Well the major impact is probably because of the amount westerners have imported. The harmful effects the average westerner has on the worlds environment is just incomrparable to the average person in the developing world

Dakota Dan · 18-01-2019 12:06am

Johnnycanyon wrote: »

The report by the Lancet was regarding the diet of the world as a whole not only Europe..You have your opinion on the rain forest and I have mine. I tend to believe my facts are accurate but again I am no expert on the subject.Are you?

Well you aren't an expert on grain production for cattle that's for sure. You seem to be basing most of your facts on cowspiracy.

emaherx · 18-01-2019 12:07am

wakka12 wrote: »

Well the major impact is probably because of the amount westerners have imported. The harmful effects the average westerner has on the worlds environment is just incomrparable to the average person in the developing world

Compared to the amount consumed in China!

18-01-2019 12:07am

DS86DS wrote: »

We have been eating meat as humans for the past 200,000 years. Among the archeological findings at countless Stone Age sites throughout Europe, there is ample proof that our ancestors consumed meat.

The desire for meat is going nowhere. I agree that we need to invent a cleaner and more efficient form of meat farming...... but any attempts to get rid of meat altogether will go nowhere.

We are after hundreds of thousands of years of evolution, designed to eat meat.....and our bodies rely on meat for optimal health and survival.

Ate meat 200 000 years ago, yes. Ate the levels of meat were consuming today in the western world? Definitely not. Even in the last 30 years, the advent of fast food outlets springing up in everything town village and suburb in Ireland is actually very sad to see as it cheapens the value of this precious commodity. Were eating a lot more meat because we can afford to and it’s judt a phone call away, day or night, all fully prepared and cooked and dirt cheap.

whisky_galore · 18-01-2019 12:08am

emaherx wrote: »

You should look into the environmental impact of growing rice!

Vast swathes of SE Asian jungle cleared for rice paddies that once had black rhino and other things....

Oh I see methane production, pesticides, excess water usage...not great tbf

The Rape of Lucretia · 18-01-2019 12:08am

wakka12 wrote: »

Anyway whenever I read threads like this on boards it just solidifies my view that the world is doomed to be destoryed by global warming.

It may as well be that way as any other. The idea that sustainability, or avoiding doing harm to the planet is an unalloyed good, gets away scandalously without being questioned. Use the planets resources. Exhaust them. Enjoy them. There is no real point in putting one's self out to spare them.

The war on meat

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