Peter Casey to contest the European elections

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 14-04-2019 1:27pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

So noonne rates Maria Walshe the former winner of the lovely girl contest as having a chance, yet she has all the lastest buzzwords and down with the kids policies.

My parents are going to give Maria Walsh their first preference. And my folks are pretty conservative. But they like her.

TerrorFirmer · 14-04-2019 1:36pm

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Luke Ming Flanagan is that guy. Check out his instagram content. Lad is over in Europe, actively participating from an Irish perspective and has a good grasp of the issues and how they manifest and develop within the EU process. Even if you didn't agree with his politics, it's clear that he's a genuine candidate genuinely providing representation within the parliament to which he has been elected.

I agree. He's also extremely active on social media as well and tends to engage with most comments made on his stuff.

I would say he's doing a pretty good job in general and there aren't any party politics at play. I would vote for him over most other candidates.

14-04-2019 1:40pm

Undividual wrote: »

That's not what his dreams should be

Under-appreciated post.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 14-04-2019 1:45pm

eagle eye wrote: »

I'm not saying he will do anything in Europe. I'm just stating that he will get elected and likely first to get elected.

Be the first elected in the constituency? Doubtful. I think he has a good shot at getting elected but it’ll likely be the last seat going.

dxhound2005 · 14-04-2019 1:49pm

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

I agree. He's also extremely active on social media as well and tends to engage with most comments made on his stuff.

I would say he's doing a pretty good job in general and there aren't any party politics at play. I would vote for him over most other candidates.

He belongs to the same political grouping in the Parliament as Sinn Fein. They are very left wing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_United_Left%E2%80%93Nordic_Green_Left

recedite · 14-04-2019 1:59pm

Augme wrote: »

Is the bog issue not something that has directly come from European directive? Hence the benefits of fighting his issue as an MEP rather than a TD.

Fair point, but he may as well promise to turn back time. Hence he does not even bother fighting the issue when in Brussels. He uses whatever political clout he has locally, to prevent EU rules being enforced at a local level.

Now contrast with what Casey says, as reported in the OP.

Peter Casey is to contest the European elections on a platform that seeks to change the immigration system and end the rural-urban divide

Not sure what the second part means, but the first part will be a hot issue in the next sitting of the EP. Hungary was recently censured for refusing mandatory EU immigration quotas, and with Casey potentially sitting alongside Orban's Fidesz MEPs as well as Varadkar's Fine Gael MEPs in the the European Peoples Party, theoretically he could even play a pivotal role.

Phoebas · 14-04-2019 2:16pm

recedite wrote: »

Hence he does not even bother fighting the issue when in Brussels. He uses whatever political clout he has locally, to prevent EU rules being enforced at a local level.

A lawmaker why tries to stop the laws he doesn't like from being enforced!
Sounds anti democratic to me.

Yurt2 · 14-04-2019 2:30pm

Phoebas wrote: »

A lawmaker why tries to stop the laws he doesn't like from being enforced!
Sounds anti democratic to me.

EU Directives that don't suit a country or are politically unpalatable are frustrated and stymied by national governments routinely. It's normal procedure - national govs have a large degree of latitude how to implement them.

But let's give the fella with the beard and long hair who does what he said he was going to do pre-election a hard time though because he's not a nodding dog.

I honestly think loads of people don't like Ming because of his appearance. They presume he's useless because he wears a cable-knit jumper and the others must be competent because they have navy suits and starched shirts.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 14-04-2019 2:35pm

Yurt! wrote: »

EU Directives that don't suit a country or are politically unpalatable are frustrated and stymied by national governments routinely. It's normal procedure - national govs have a large degree of latitude how to implement them.

But let's give the fella with the beard and long hair who does what he said he was going to do pre-election a hard time though because he's not a nodding dog.

I honestly think loads of people don't like Ming because of his appearance. They presume he's useless because he wears a cable-knit jumper and the others must be competent because they have navy suits and starched shirts.

Abso-fucking-lutely. Now, he wouldn’t be my first preference if I was in that constituency. But I have family in it, lots of them and he is absolutely dismissed by many of them solely because of his appearance. “That aul beardy eejit” kinda attitude.

But, well, I guess that’s democracy. People can vote for who they like, for whatever reason they like.

dxhound2005 · 14-04-2019 2:39pm

There is only one picture on the internet that I saw with Peter Casey with no tie on. All the others have him in very neat suits and ties. He should do well.

Edgware · 14-04-2019 2:39pm

Yurt! wrote: »

EU Directives that don't suit a country or are politically unpalatable are frustrated and stymied by national governments routinely. It's normal procedure - national govs have a large degree of latitude how to implement them.

But let's give the fella with the beard and long hair who does what he said he was going to do pre-election a hard time though because he's not a nodding dog.

I honestly think loads of people don't like Ming because of his appearance. They presume he's useless because he wears a cable-knit jumper and the others must be competent because they have navy suits and starched shirts.

Isnt this exactly why a lot of people have developed a dislike for the way the EU is moving.
We have several different cultures, social practices, languages, history, attitude to authority.
It is unrealistic to expect a Dane to sympathise with a turf cutter in Roscommon or a wine maker in Greece.

It is impossible to have unity all over Europe and allowances must be made for different nations approaches to issues. If Ming is the one to highlight this so be it.

recedite · 14-04-2019 2:40pm

Phoebas wrote: »

A lawmaker why tries to stop the laws he doesn't like from being enforced!
Sounds anti democratic to me.

Sometimes there is a conflict of interest between local democracy, and democracy at a wider level. Ming had support around Roscommon among turf harvesters. At least he did in the past. But I think Ming is caught in a 1980's time warp.

What young person supports the burning of the bogs? Have they even heard of Flash Gordon or Ming the Merciless? Why bother aping a fictional character belonging to a forgotten era?

In places like Roosky, the hot topic right now is central govt. trying to destroy the tourism industry and the local community by setting up unwanted DP centres.

Edgware · 14-04-2019 2:42pm

dxhound2005 wrote: »

He belongs to the same political grouping in the Parliament as Sinn Fein. They are very left wing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_United_Left%E2%80%93Nordic_Green_Left

Sinn Fein, left wing! You cannot be serious.
They can claim that to get a certain vote in the urban areas but you wont see too many of the Armagh/Tyrone boys interested in the equal distribution of their wealth

dxhound2005 · 14-04-2019 2:47pm

Edgware wrote: »

Sinn Fein, left wing! You cannot be serious.
They can claim that to get a certain vote in the urban areas but you wont see too many of the Armagh/Tyrone boys interested in the equal distribution of their wealth

The group to which they have aligned is very left wing. The group only takes members from parties and individuals who agree with their policies.

The group comprises political parties of socialist and communist orientation

Edgware · 14-04-2019 2:51pm

dxhound2005 wrote: »

The group to which they have aligned is very left wing. The group only takes members from parties and individuals who agree with their policies.

The group comprises political parties of socialist and communist orientation

And will SF have those policies in the Genrral Election manifesto?
Not if Mary Lou gets her way

Phoebas · 14-04-2019 2:53pm

Yurt! wrote: »

EU Directives that don't suit a country or are politically unpalatable are frustrated and stymied by national governments routinely. It's normal procedure - national govs have a large degree of latitude how to implement them.

But let's give the fella with the beard and long hair who does what he said he was going to do pre-election a hard time though because he's not a nodding dog

Ming isn't a member of the national government.
He is an EU lawmaker who apparently tries to prevent the enforcement of EU laws.

There's just no way to spin that as anything but anti democratic.

(his physical appearance is a red herring)

FrancieBrady · 14-04-2019 2:55pm

I presume this is exactly what Casey wants. Online commentary that discusses everyone else's but Peter's policy.

Such as he has an actual policy position that is.

dxhound2005 · 14-04-2019 2:57pm

Edgware wrote: »

And will SF have those policies in the Genrral Election manifesto?
Not if Mary Lou gets her way

This is a start anyway.

We will establish a €12 million compensation fund for Hen Harrier designated conservation lands.

Edgware · 14-04-2019 3:01pm

dxhound2005 wrote: »

This is a start anyway.

We will establish a €12 million compensation fund for Hen Harrier designated conservation lands.

Wow! Thats a real vote catcher. At the same time their pals in Monaghan and Louth are destroying the environment from dumping the sludge left over from the fuel laundering.

Yurt2 · 14-04-2019 3:04pm

Phoebas wrote: »

Ming isn't a member of the national government.
He is an EU lawmaker who apparently tries to prevent the enforcement of EU laws.

There's just no way to spin that as anything but anti democratic.

(his physical appearance is a red herring)

Elected members of any democracy (or even the non elected) are perfectly entitled to lobby, campaign and agitate for outcomes as they see fit as long is it is within the constitutional framework.

Read up on the difference between EU regulation and directives (I'm not doing it for you). An EU directive will be implemented 28 different ways across the EU (or in a legislative black hole until a citizen or affected party takes a case), sometimes to the exact spirit of the directive, sometimes barely making the effort as it doesn't suit the country. Horse trading within the 28 national legislatures and executives with directives happens all the time.

I'm sorry but you're talking potty on this one.

BarryD2 · 14-04-2019 3:06pm

is_that_so wrote: »

Ming topped the poll so he has a base to defend.

Yes but what has Ming done to defend that vote since? It's all very well having a bit of a name and catching the public humour once - but just as you can rise radidly, you can equally fall on yer arse just as quick. I suspect that'll be Ming's fate unless he has a lot of people willing to get behind him and loads dosh to throw at it. What is it, five or six weeks away. Going to be hard to have a big media profile as too much competition with other candidates and of course, the show across the water.

dxhound2005 · 14-04-2019 3:19pm

Yurt! wrote: »

Elected members of any democracy (or even the non elected) are perfectly entitled to lobby, campaign and agitate for outcomes as they see fit as long is it is within the constitutional framework.

Read up on the difference between EU regulation and directives (I'm not doing it for you). An EU directive will be implemented 28 different ways across the EU (or in a legislative black hole until a citizen or affected party takes a case), sometimes to the exact spirit of the directive, sometimes barely making the effort as it doesn't suit the country. Horse trading within the 28 national legislatures and executives with directives happens all the time.

I'm sorry but you're talking potty on this one.

Ireland has transposed the Directive about bogs into law in some cases. Where that has happened, legislators should not encourage lawbreaking.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2018/si/284/made/en/print

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2017/si/140/made/en/pdf

Edgware · 14-04-2019 3:24pm

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Ireland has transposed the Directive about bogs into law in some cases. Where that has happened, legislators should not encourage lawbreaking.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2018/si/284/made/en/print

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2017/si/140/made/en/pdf

Thats right. Be a good little European for Merkel and Macron

dxhound2005 · 14-04-2019 3:25pm

Edgware wrote: »

Thats right. Be a good little European for Merkel and Macron

They weren't around when that Directive was agreed.

Phoebas · 14-04-2019 3:45pm

Edgware wrote: »

Thats right. Be a good little European for Merkel and Macron

Those laws - our laws, not Macron's or Merkel's - are essential to protect our raised bogs.

Ming was not only wrong to encourage law breaking, but he was on the wrong side of this issue full stop.

Plumbthedepths · 14-04-2019 4:03pm

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote:

My parents are going to give Maria Walsh their first preference. And my folks are pretty conservative. But they like her.

Well she did win the lovely girl contest, so that's something.

Phoebas · 14-04-2019 4:43pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Like the former Rose of Tralee who is running for FG Maria Walsh?

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Anyhoo, Casey may have a chance at Harkins vacant seat along with the former winner of the lovely girl contest M Walshe.

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

So noonne rates Maria Walshe the former winner of the lovely girl contest as having a chance, yet she has all the lastest buzzwords and down with the kids policies.

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Well she did win the lovely girl contest, so that's something.

Misogyny aside, what do you think of her as a candidate?

Roger Hassenforder · 14-04-2019 5:29pm

Edgware wrote: »

Thats right. Be a good little European for Merkel and Macron

We're not protecting Irish bogs for Europe...

14-04-2019 6:51pm

Phoebas wrote: »

Those laws - our laws, not Macron's or Merkel's - are essential to protect our raised bogs.

Ming was not only wrong to encourage law breaking, but he was on the wrong side of this issue full stop.

Spot on. And listening to Flanagan talk about "defending tradition" while massive diggers and machinery destroyed the bogs was fairly unpalatable. The way all that crowd in Roscommon went on playing the béal bocht you'd imagine they were defending the poorest of the poor, the descendants of Míl Espáine himself, and the most purest of Irish traditions - when they were just yet more cultureless hungry capitalist cúnts in a nation full of them with no meas for either the tradition or our environment.

Plumbthedepths · 14-04-2019 9:04pm

Phoebas wrote:

Misogyny aside, what do you think of her as a candidate?

If you are going to accuse someone of misogyny at least have the courtesy to learn the meaning of the word. I dislike the demeaning nature of the event, no thoughts about M Walsh other than to wonder what makes her qualified to run.

FrancieBrady · 14-04-2019 9:11pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

If you are going to accuse someone of misogyny at least have the courtesy to learn the meaning of the word. I dislike the demeaning nature of the event, no thoughts about M Walsh other than to wonder what makes her qualified to run.

I think repeatedly referring to somebody as 'the winner of the lovely girl competition' sets out to demean her.

I found her background details in a 30 sec search on google. You must be fond of 'wondering'. :rolleyes:

Plumbthedepths · 14-04-2019 9:20pm

FrancieBrady wrote:

I think repeatedly referring to somebody as 'the winner of the lovely girl competition' sets out to demean her.

What you think is irrelevant to me, as an aside I thought you were ignoring my posts. Feel free to keep your word.

is_that_so · 14-04-2019 9:24pm

eagle eye wrote: »

Casey is the most well known candidate in the field. He has votes in every county from his presidential run.
Every district court in that constituency is full of travellers so lots of victims of traveller crime. Who will they vote for?

And again you're basing this on a one horse mickey mouse election in which none of the three traditional parties really campaigned. He is not a professional politician, has no experience of a real campaign yet, nor how readily he can pick up transfers. People will vote for incumbents. That means Carthy, McGuinness and Ming. If he's in for anything it's the last seat but FF will almost certainly have their eye on it.

is_that_so · 14-04-2019 9:25pm

dxhound2005 wrote: »

There is only one picture on the internet that I saw with Peter Casey with no tie on. All the others have him in very neat suits and ties. He should do well.

Because he wears a suit?

is_that_so · 14-04-2019 9:30pm

BarryD2 wrote: »

Yes but what has Ming done to defend that vote since? It's all very well having a bit of a name and catching the public humour once - but just as you can rise radidly, you can equally fall on yer arse just as quick. I suspect that'll be Ming's fate unless he has a lot of people willing to get behind him and loads dosh to throw at it. What is it, five or six weeks away. Going to be hard to have a big media profile as too much competition with other candidates and of course, the show across the water.

In Euros you really don't have to do an awful lot as voters will settle for incumbents most of the time. Few know what goes on in the EU parliament anyway. As for the falling I agree but that equally applies to Casey.

FrancieBrady · 14-04-2019 9:30pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

What you think is irrelevant to me, as an aside I thought you were ignoring my posts. Feel free to keep your word.

I said I would ignore you until you had something of substance to offer and your repeated demeaning of this candidate for no other reason than she took part in a competition is substantial.

Plumbthedepths · 14-04-2019 9:31pm

FrancieBrady wrote:

I said I would ignore you.

Please do.

FrancieBrady · 14-04-2019 9:35pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Please do.

Casey's tactics all over, say something and then run away from it when challenged.

Plumbthedepths · 14-04-2019 9:39pm

FrancieBrady wrote:

Casey's tactics all over, say something and then run away from it when challenged.

No I'm just excercising my right not to engage in your usual tactics. Call it what you will but you're not worth an infraction.

dxhound2005 · 14-04-2019 9:53pm

is_that_so wrote: »

Because he wears a suit?

According to the two posts before mine, yes.

FrancieBrady · 14-04-2019 10:00pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

No I'm just excercising my right not to engage in your usual tactics. Call it what you will but you're not worth an infraction.

If challenging you is a 'tactic' then don't address it I suppose. It just leaves what you did undefended. Just to show that I honestly pointed out the problem I had with what you were repeatedly doing.

I think repeatedly referring to somebody as 'the winner of the lovely girl competition' sets out to demean her.

I found her background details in a 30 sec search on google. You must be fond of 'wondering'.

Edgware · 14-04-2019 10:51pm

is_that_so wrote: »

And again you're basing this on a one horse mickey mouse election in which none of the three traditional parties really campaigned. He is not a professional politician, has no experience of a real campaign yet, nor how readily he can pick up transfers. People will vote for incumbents. That means Carthy, McGuinness and Ming. If he's in for anything it's the last seat but FF will almost certainly have their eye on it.

That theory would mean there would never be a change of representation. Facts show otherwise.

eagle eye · 15-04-2019 12:22am

is_that_so wrote:

And again you're basing this on a one horse mickey mouse election in which none of the three traditional parties really campaigned. He is not a professional politician, has no experience of a real campaign yet, nor how readily he can pick up transfers. People will vote for incumbents. That means Carthy, McGuinness and Ming. If he's in for anything it's the last seat but FF will almost certainly have their eye on it.

You'd probably have said the same thing about Ming in the last European elections. I predicted he'd top the poll. People told me I was crazy.
I'm telling you now that Casey will top the poll.
Also it's been a growing trend in this country to walk away from supporting a party. Independents have been on the rise for some time. There are currently three independents in Europe, that might grow this time around.

FrancieBrady · 15-04-2019 12:32am

eagle eye wrote: »

You'd probably have said the same thing about Ming in the last European elections. I predicted he'd top the poll. People told me I was crazy.
I'm telling you now that Casey will top the poll.
Also it's been a growing trend in this country to walk away from supporting a party. Independents have been on the rise for some time. There are currently three independents in Europe, that might grow this time around.

Do you believe there is a (unknown previously) groundswell who wish to leave the Euro and consequently the EU or that there will be a protest vote of some sort, that will have him 'topping the poll'.

I ask because we heard this 'topping the poll' stuff in the Presidential election and he managed just 23%.

Plumbthedepths · 15-04-2019 12:38am

Back to claiming 23 per cent from a base of nothing is a poor result. lol it's actually pathetic at this stage.

FrancieBrady · 15-04-2019 12:42am

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Back to claiming 23 per cent from a base of nothing is a poor result. lol it's actually pathetic at this stage.

No, he captured 3% more than I predicted, but we did hear the 'topping the poll' stuff, he was short of that by more than half.

is_that_so · 15-04-2019 9:21am

Edgware wrote: »

That theory would mean there would never be a change of representation. Facts show otherwise.

What facts?

is_that_so · 15-04-2019 9:29am

eagle eye wrote: »

You'd probably have said the same thing about Ming in the last European elections. I predicted he'd top the poll. People told me I was crazy.
I'm telling you now that Casey will top the poll.
Also it's been a growing trend in this country to walk away from supporting a party. Independents have been on the rise for some time. There are currently three independents in Europe, that might grow this time around.

I wasn't too surprised about Ming. He got a "real" EU issue and ran well with it. Independent support ebbs and flows. Current is going back against them at present. Casey is not a politician and has no actual policies. His only experience is an election where people were falling over each other to show how nice they were. He'll find it hard work in a real election and it's more likely to be Ganley all over again.

is_that_so · 15-04-2019 9:32am

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Back to claiming 23 per cent from a base of nothing is a poor result. lol it's actually pathetic at this stage.

As is assuming that 23% in a one horse personality race shows likely future outcomes. It was a third of the winner, who could have won while sitting at home in bed.

NIMAN · 15-04-2019 9:36am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Do you believe there is a (unknown previously) groundswell who wish to leave the Euro and consequently the EU or that there will be a protest vote of some sort, that will have him 'topping the poll'.

I ask because we heard this 'topping the poll' stuff in the Presidential election and he managed just 23%.

Just 23%.

I bet you the other candidates (exc MDH) wished they had got such a crap % of the votes.

Liadh Ní Riada, with the SF election machine behind her, managed a pathetic 6.4%, as did Sean Gallagher.

Casey's vote was an unbelievable total considering. You can bluff your way around it and claim it wasn't if you want, but you're fooling no-one.

Peter Casey to contest the European elections

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