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Peter Casey to contest the European elections

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    #512
    Edgware
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    Yurt! wrote: »
    EU Directives that don't suit a country or are politically unpalatable are frustrated and stymied by national governments routinely. It's normal procedure - national govs have a large degree of latitude how to implement them.

    But let's give the fella with the beard and long hair who does what he said he was going to do pre-election a hard time though because he's not a nodding dog.

    I honestly think loads of people don't like Ming because of his appearance. They presume he's useless because he wears a cable-knit jumper and the others must be competent because they have navy suits and starched shirts.

    Isnt this exactly why a lot of people have developed a dislike for the way the EU is moving.
    We have several different cultures, social practices, languages, history, attitude to authority.
    It is unrealistic to expect a Dane to sympathise with a turf cutter in Roscommon or a wine maker in Greece.

    It is impossible to have unity all over Europe and allowances must be made for different nations approaches to issues. If Ming is the one to highlight this so be it.


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    #513
    recedite
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    Phoebas wrote: »
    A lawmaker why tries to stop the laws he doesn't like from being enforced!
    Sounds anti democratic to me.
    Sometimes there is a conflict of interest between local democracy, and democracy at a wider level. Ming had support around Roscommon among turf harvesters. At least he did in the past. But I think Ming is caught in a 1980's time warp.

    What young person supports the burning of the bogs? Have they even heard of Flash Gordon or Ming the Merciless? Why bother aping a fictional character belonging to a forgotten era?


    In places like Roosky, the hot topic right now is central govt. trying to destroy the tourism industry and the local community by setting up unwanted DP centres.


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    #514
    Edgware
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    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    He belongs to the same political grouping in the Parliament as Sinn Fein. They are very left wing.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_United_Left%E2%80%93Nordic_Green_Left
    Sinn Fein, left wing! You cannot be serious.
    They can claim that to get a certain vote in the urban areas but you wont see too many of the Armagh/Tyrone boys interested in the equal distribution of their wealth


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    #515
    dxhound2005
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    Edgware wrote: »
    Sinn Fein, left wing! You cannot be serious.
    They can claim that to get a certain vote in the urban areas but you wont see too many of the Armagh/Tyrone boys interested in the equal distribution of their wealth

    The group to which they have aligned is very left wing. The group only takes members from parties and individuals who agree with their policies.

    The group comprises political parties of socialist and communist orientation


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    Edgware
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    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    The group to which they have aligned is very left wing. The group only takes members from parties and individuals who agree with their policies.

    The group comprises political parties of socialist and communist orientation
    And will SF have those policies in the Genrral Election manifesto?
    Not if Mary Lou gets her way


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    #517
    Phoebas
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    Yurt! wrote: »
    EU Directives that don't suit a country or are politically unpalatable are frustrated and stymied by national governments routinely. It's normal procedure - national govs have a large degree of latitude how to implement them.

    But let's give the fella with the beard and long hair who does what he said he was going to do pre-election a hard time though because he's not a nodding dog

    Ming isn't a member of the national government.
    He is an EU lawmaker who apparently tries to prevent the enforcement of EU laws.

    There's just no way to spin that as anything but anti democratic.

    (his physical appearance is a red herring)


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    #518
    FrancieBrady
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    I presume this is exactly what Casey wants. Online commentary that discusses everyone else's but Peter's policy. :D

    Such as he has an actual policy position that is.


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    dxhound2005
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    Edgware wrote: »
    And will SF have those policies in the Genrral Election manifesto?
    Not if Mary Lou gets her way

    This is a start anyway.

    We will establish a €12 million compensation fund for Hen Harrier designated conservation lands.


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    Edgware
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    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    This is a start anyway.

    We will establish a €12 million compensation fund for Hen Harrier designated conservation lands.

    Wow! Thats a real vote catcher. At the same time their pals in Monaghan and Louth are destroying the environment from dumping the sludge left over from the fuel laundering.


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    #521
    Yurt2
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    Phoebas wrote: »
    Ming isn't a member of the national government.
    He is an EU lawmaker who apparently tries to prevent the enforcement of EU laws.

    There's just no way to spin that as anything but anti democratic.

    (his physical appearance is a red herring)

    Elected members of any democracy (or even the non elected) are perfectly entitled to lobby, campaign and agitate for outcomes as they see fit as long is it is within the constitutional framework.

    Read up on the difference between EU regulation and directives (I'm not doing it for you). An EU directive will be implemented 28 different ways across the EU (or in a legislative black hole until a citizen or affected party takes a case), sometimes to the exact spirit of the directive, sometimes barely making the effort as it doesn't suit the country. Horse trading within the 28 national legislatures and executives with directives happens all the time.

    I'm sorry but you're talking potty on this one.


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    #522
    BarryD2
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    is_that_so wrote: »
    Ming topped the poll so he has a base to defend.

    Yes but what has Ming done to defend that vote since? It's all very well having a bit of a name and catching the public humour once - but just as you can rise radidly, you can equally fall on yer arse just as quick. I suspect that'll be Ming's fate unless he has a lot of people willing to get behind him and loads dosh to throw at it. What is it, five or six weeks away. Going to be hard to have a big media profile as too much competition with other candidates and of course, the show across the water.


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    #523
    dxhound2005
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    Yurt! wrote: »
    Elected members of any democracy (or even the non elected) are perfectly entitled to lobby, campaign and agitate for outcomes as they see fit as long is it is within the constitutional framework.

    Read up on the difference between EU regulation and directives (I'm not doing it for you). An EU directive will be implemented 28 different ways across the EU (or in a legislative black hole until a citizen or affected party takes a case), sometimes to the exact spirit of the directive, sometimes barely making the effort as it doesn't suit the country. Horse trading within the 28 national legislatures and executives with directives happens all the time.

    I'm sorry but you're talking potty on this one.

    Ireland has transposed the Directive about bogs into law in some cases. Where that has happened, legislators should not encourage lawbreaking.

    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2018/si/284/made/en/print

    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2017/si/140/made/en/pdf


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    #524
    Edgware
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    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    Ireland has transposed the Directive about bogs into law in some cases. Where that has happened, legislators should not encourage lawbreaking.

    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2018/si/284/made/en/print

    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2017/si/140/made/en/pdf

    Thats right. Be a good little European for Merkel and Macron


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    #525
    dxhound2005
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    Edgware wrote: »
    Thats right. Be a good little European for Merkel and Macron

    They weren't around when that Directive was agreed.


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    #526
    Phoebas
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    Edgware wrote: »
    Thats right. Be a good little European for Merkel and Macron

    Those laws - our laws, not Macron's or Merkel's - are essential to protect our raised bogs.

    Ming was not only wrong to encourage law breaking, but he was on the wrong side of this issue full stop.


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    #527
    Plumbthedepths
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    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote:
    My parents are going to give Maria Walsh their first preference. And my folks are pretty conservative. But they like her.


    Well she did win the lovely girl contest, so that's something.


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    #528
    Phoebas
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Like the former Rose of Tralee who is running for FG Maria Walsh?
    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Anyhoo, Casey may have a chance at Harkins vacant seat along with the former winner of the lovely girl contest M Walshe.
    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    So noonne rates Maria Walshe the former winner of the lovely girl contest as having a chance, yet she has all the lastest buzzwords and down with the kids policies.
    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Well she did win the lovely girl contest, so that's something.

    Misogyny aside, what do you think of her as a candidate?


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    #529
    Roger Hassenforder
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    Edgware wrote: »
    Thats right. Be a good little European for Merkel and Macron

    We're not protecting Irish bogs for Europe...


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    Phoebas wrote: »
    Those laws - our laws, not Macron's or Merkel's - are essential to protect our raised bogs.

    Ming was not only wrong to encourage law breaking, but he was on the wrong side of this issue full stop.

    Spot on. And listening to Flanagan talk about "defending tradition" while massive diggers and machinery destroyed the bogs was fairly unpalatable. The way all that crowd in Roscommon went on playing the béal bocht you'd imagine they were defending the poorest of the poor, the descendants of Míl Espáine himself, and the most purest of Irish traditions - when they were just yet more cultureless hungry capitalist cúnts in a nation full of them with no meas for either the tradition or our environment.


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    #531
    Plumbthedepths
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    Phoebas wrote:
    Misogyny aside, what do you think of her as a candidate?


    If you are going to accuse someone of misogyny at least have the courtesy to learn the meaning of the word. I dislike the demeaning nature of the event, no thoughts about M Walsh other than to wonder what makes her qualified to run.


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    FrancieBrady
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    If you are going to accuse someone of misogyny at least have the courtesy to learn the meaning of the word. I dislike the demeaning nature of the event, no thoughts about M Walsh other than to wonder what makes her qualified to run.

    I think repeatedly referring to somebody as 'the winner of the lovely girl competition' sets out to demean her.

    I found her background details in a 30 sec search on google. You must be fond of 'wondering'. :rolleyes:


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    #533
    Plumbthedepths
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    FrancieBrady wrote:
    I think repeatedly referring to somebody as 'the winner of the lovely girl competition' sets out to demean her.


    What you think is irrelevant to me, as an aside I thought you were ignoring my posts. Feel free to keep your word.


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    #534
    is_that_so
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    eagle eye wrote: »
    Casey is the most well known candidate in the field. He has votes in every county from his presidential run.
    Every district court in that constituency is full of travellers so lots of victims of traveller crime. Who will they vote for?

    And again you're basing this on a one horse mickey mouse election in which none of the three traditional parties really campaigned. He is not a professional politician, has no experience of a real campaign yet, nor how readily he can pick up transfers. People will vote for incumbents. That means Carthy, McGuinness and Ming. If he's in for anything it's the last seat but FF will almost certainly have their eye on it.


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    #535
    is_that_so
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    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    There is only one picture on the internet that I saw with Peter Casey with no tie on. All the others have him in very neat suits and ties. He should do well.
    Because he wears a suit?


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    is_that_so
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    BarryD2 wrote: »
    Yes but what has Ming done to defend that vote since? It's all very well having a bit of a name and catching the public humour once - but just as you can rise radidly, you can equally fall on yer arse just as quick. I suspect that'll be Ming's fate unless he has a lot of people willing to get behind him and loads dosh to throw at it. What is it, five or six weeks away. Going to be hard to have a big media profile as too much competition with other candidates and of course, the show across the water.
    In Euros you really don't have to do an awful lot as voters will settle for incumbents most of the time. Few know what goes on in the EU parliament anyway. As for the falling I agree but that equally applies to Casey.


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    FrancieBrady
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    What you think is irrelevant to me, as an aside I thought you were ignoring my posts. Feel free to keep your word.

    I said I would ignore you until you had something of substance to offer and your repeated demeaning of this candidate for no other reason than she took part in a competition is substantial.


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    #538
    Plumbthedepths
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    FrancieBrady wrote:
    I said I would ignore you.


    Please do.


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    FrancieBrady
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Please do.



    Casey's tactics all over, say something and then run away from it when challenged.


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    Plumbthedepths
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    FrancieBrady wrote:
    Casey's tactics all over, say something and then run away from it when challenged.


    No I'm just excercising my right not to engage in your usual tactics. Call it what you will but you're not worth an infraction.


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    dxhound2005
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    is_that_so wrote: »
    Because he wears a suit?

    According to the two posts before mine, yes.


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