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The Irish Pub is finished.

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    #122
    Rothko
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    mikeecho wrote: »
    The Irish pub died long ago, with plasma TVs, mobile phones and WiFi.

    I rarely go to the pub, but when I do, I go to one without a TV , without WiFi, and where phones are discouraged.

    Drinking, and chatting to strangers, a bar man that can hold a conversation and is a bit of craic, . that's what it's all about.

    A rarity these days, even before covid

    Nonsense


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    #123
    ShatterAlan
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    Corben Dallas wrote: »
    Key to it is that they have to be Mircowave-able... and would need large fridge for all food storage... should be doable. Kitchen gives you much more options of course, some pubs don't have them.


    Well if you're allowed charge 9 euros for a 4 euro Spar tv dinner then I suppose it could be possible.


    But then that begs the question....if it was allowed before how come no pubs ever did it?


    A pub that doesn't have a kitchen could only make toasties. If they were allowed to serve nuked tv dinners how come they never did?


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    #124
    corner of hells
    Registered Users Posts: 8,362 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    ShatterAlan wrote: »
    I'll name a few pubs that I've frequented in Dublin:


    McNeils Capel street
    Nealons Capel St.
    Brogan's Dame street
    The Glimmerman Stonybatter
    Delaney's Smithfield
    Cobblestone Smithfield.


    They don't have so much as a pantry cupboard. The closest thing you'll get to a kitchen in these places is a kettle to make hot whiskeys.

    Fine pubs , sir.


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    #125
    El_Duderino 09
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    mikeecho wrote: »
    The Irish pub died long ago, with plasma TVs, mobile phones and WiFi.

    I rarely go to the pub, but when I do, I go to one without a TV , without WiFi, and where phones are discouraged.

    Drinking, and chatting to strangers, a bar man that can hold a conversation and is a bit of craic, . that's what it's all about.

    A rarity these days, even before covid

    Where and how are phones discouraged?


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    #126
    mikeecho
    Registered Users Posts: 5,075 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    Where and how are phones discouraged?

    Just a sign up, asking ppl not to use phones.
    It's not enforced, but it's a reminder to put the phone down and talk to someone.


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    #127
    corner of hells
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    begbysback wrote: »
    Bit gay, no?

    Pint in Nealons in Capel street a bit gay , maybe I'm missing something.
    Brogans, gay ?


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    #128
    pgj2015
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    The pubs havent been finished for 20 years, have a look at the queues outside pubs and nightclubs at christmas or any busy weekend night during the summer. The beer gardens packed on a nice sunny saturday or sunday afternoon.

    you would want to be mad to stay in watching netflix, running on a treadmill or internet dating where its like 1 woman to 30 men and unless you are brad pitt you probably wont even get a hi back from someone you wouldnt give the time of day in a pub. The pubs and clubs are 100 times better than sky or netflix.


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    #129
    Edgware
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    corner of hells wrote: »
    Fine pubs , sir.
    Exactly. If you want to eat go to a restaurant and if you have to have a TV in the pub strictly sports and the odd news bulletin. If you want to see Neighbours or Eastenders stay at home


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    #130
    buried
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    If this f**king covid bastard comes back in a second wave around the start of Autumn and then into Winter, then they will be finished.

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



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    #131
    dominatinMC
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    buried wrote: »
    If this f**king covid bastard comes back in a second wave around the start of Autumn and then into Winter, then they will be finished.
    If (when :eek:) it comes back, the pubs will be least of our worries! You'd hope though that the government will be better prepared for this eventuality, and the whole economy will not have to be shut down again (just some sectors..)


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    #132
    dominatinMC
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    Sunny Disposition wrote: »
    Pubs have been dying for probably 20 years, since drink driving got more serious. The Celtic Tiger boom papered over the problem for a while, but it became very apparent during the recession. People have other things to do now, Netflix, Sky Sports TV at home, treadmills, internet freely available, online dating, the pub will never be as central to life again as it once was. Some will survive though, just won't be as many, there won't be small villages with six or seven pubs.
    All of the above are fine if you are some kind of introvert. Sitting at home, having a few cans watching Netflix is not my idea of fun. Similar argument applies for Sky Sports (which I might add is prohibitively expensive for a lot), but most of the enjoyment I get from a match is chatting to other people about it, debating tactics, controversies, etc. As for online dating, the majority of people I know end up going...yes, you've guessed it, to a pub for a few drinks to eventually meet up.

    So no, I don't agree with your assertion. I do agree that there will be causalities among rural pubs, but they were over-saturated anyway imo. The era of people frequenting a bar all day, every day is well gone (no harm) but there is plenty of evidence to suggest the Thursday-Sunday trade is as busy as ever.


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    #133
    Filmer Paradise
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    ShatterAlan wrote: »
    Without a kitchen it will be difficult.

    No problem. Just do a deal with the local chipper/eating house.

    No need to go to all the hassle of preparing food on site.

    Let the people in for their pints & ring in an order for delivery.

    Everyone wins!

    Simples.:)


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    #134
    corner of hells
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    Filmer Paradise wrote: »
    No problem. Just do a deal with the local chipper/eating house.

    No need to go to all the hassle of preparing food on site.

    Let the people in for their pints & ring in an order for delivery.

    Everyone wins!

    Simples.:)

    Could I bring my pint to the chipper ?


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    #135
    Deep Thought
    Registered Users Posts: 4,384 ✭✭✭Deep Thought


    It’s amazing how convenient this virus is for a lot of companies, shops , pubs etc..

    The narrower a man’s mind, the broader his statements.



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    #136
    Filmer Paradise
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    corner of hells wrote: »
    Could I bring my pint to the chipper ?

    Only if you have a plastic 'glass'.


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    #137
    JupiterKid
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    The Irish pub has been dying off for nearly 20 years now. Anyone who has been looking around cannot but have noticed the trend. The smoking ban was the start, then the drink driving crackdown, etc.

    All Covid-19 is doing is quickening the trend of the death spiral of the Irish pub.

    It's sort of sad in a way, as the pub was central to Irish social life in the 19th and 20th Centuries, and the job losses and loss of social outlets for people, particularly older people, will be keenly felt.

    But as a recovering alcoholic myself, personally I won't be lamenting the loss of pubs which made so much of their money off chronic alcoholics, a whole cohort of Irish men who went to their early graves.

    Ireland has undergone fundamental social and cultural change in the past 30 years and the pub, along with the power of the Catholic church, is one of the main casualties. Maybe alcohol and the pub were so popular in past decades because of the repressed nature of Ireland - plus our bad weather, of course.


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    #138
    riclad
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    Lock down protected 1000s of people from getting the virus. If you want to see how not to handle the crisis look at the USA.
    The nó of people getting the virus is still rising
    , especially in states that reopened after lockdown
    Yes many pubs and cafes will close
    I see some cafes are still takeout only
    I Don, t see how they can stay in business
    with 50 per cent of revenue gone.
    We have no tourists now. How many shops pubs depend on tourists to survive.
    The government did Ok in general
    apart from the nursing home fiasco
    We could open everything tommorow,
    Some people will be afraid or reluctant to go to a pub especially if there's a 2 metre rule
    Easier to just buy drink in the local supermarket
    There's no easy solution to this crisis for pubs
    or other retail stores
    I see no evidence of hysteria at least from
    this government in its policy's towards covid19


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    #139
    dominatinMC
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    JupiterKid wrote: »
    The Irish pub has been dying off for nearly 20 years now. Anyone who has been looking around cannot but have noticed the trend. The smoking ban was the start, then the drink driving crackdown, etc.

    All Covid-19 is doing is quickening the trend of the death spiral.of the Irish pub.

    It's sort of sad in a way, as the pub was central to Irish social life in the 19th and 20th Centuries, and the job losses and loss of social outlets for people, particularly older people, will be keenly felt.

    But as a recovering alcoholic myself, personally I won't be lamenting the loss of pubs which made so much of their money off chronic alcoholics, a whole cohort of Irish men who went to their early graves.

    Ireland has undergone fundamental social and cultural change in the past 30 years and the pub, along with the power of the Catholic church, is one of the main casualties. Maybe alcohol and the pub were so popular in past decades because of the repressed nature of Ireland - plus our bad weather, of course.
    What a load of tripe. Grandiose statements such as "the death spiral of the Irish pub" are almost laughable. I can't even begin to understand your plight as a recovering alcoholic, but you definitely do not understand the current pub scene. Yes, some rural pubs (in oversaturated markets) will suffer. However, take a walk down any main street on Thursday/Friday/Saturday (even Sunday) night and you're guaranteed to see busy pubs. Sure even before the Covid lockdown, we all saw footage of packed pubs in Temple Bar. The Irish Pub is going nowhere.


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    #140
    ShatterAlan
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    I lived in the US for a few year and played on a pub darts team. We'd play every Tuesday night. You'd have home matches and away matches. It was fun. Nothing to serious. Our team wasn't great but we did ok.


    Anyway the owner of the pub usually put on food for the players for free even though they had no kitchen. The food was actually pretty good. They would set out a tressle table and on it put a few what are called chafing dishes. These are rectangular stainless steel dishes on a frame. Water is inside the bottom steel tray and another tray full of food is placed on top and another steel lid covering the whole thing. Little tins of flammable jelly called "Sternos" are place underneath to heat the water and keep everything piping hot.


    Back to the food itself. It was actually very good. Meatballs and spaghetti, tacos with mince, and side plates of salsa, lettuce, cheese, etc., baked lasagne, drumsticks and rice.
    It was different on every dart night.


    A company would deliver this about 8pm, maybe an hour after the darts match started and we'd all take a halftime break and tuck in.



    So maybe this could be something that pubs with out a kitchen could do.....but no company is going to invest in setting up such a business just for 3 weeks until they are not needed anymore.


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    #141
    Pauliedragon
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    3 pubs out of 5 in my area have been open for weeks. I'd guess mine isn't the only town where this is happening.


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    #142
    Rodney Bathgate
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    Cienciano wrote: »
    I've never seen beans on toast as a main meal in a pub. Not that there's anything wrong with it, it's a substantial meal imho. Wouldn't pay €9 for it though.

    Some grated cheddar cheese on top and you have a gourmet meal.


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    #143
    JupiterKid
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    dominatinMC wrote: »
    What a load of tripe. Grandiose statements such as "the death spiral of the Irish pub" are almost laughable. I can't even begin to understand your plight as a recovering alcoholic, but you definitely do not understand the current pub scene. Yes, some rural pubs (in oversaturated markets) will suffer. However, take a walk down any main street on Thursday/Friday/Saturday (even Sunday) night and you're guaranteed to see busy pubs. Sure even before the Covid lockdown, we all saw footage of packed pubs in Temple Bar. The Irish Pub is going nowhere.


    I didn’t say the Irish pub is going to completely die off, and I actually hope it doesn’t. That’s not going to happen in any case - there will always be a demand for a physical space for people to mix and drink. The pub is an important social outlet for so many and there can be great craic to be had in a pub. Actually when my drinking was at its very worst in 2014/15, I did nearly all my drinking at home, alone. Going to the pub would have been way too expensive for me given the amount I was pouring down my throat at that desperate time.

    The pub is changing - more and more “gastropubs” opening, better food offerings, the places that will survive are having to offer the punter a quality experience for the price of the drink they sell - live music at weekends, a smoking beer garden, table quizzes, pool tables etc.

    The tiny, filthy old man pubs that used to be so common in any average rural town or parts of Dublin and the regional cities are dying off very fast. Drive through any mid sized town and whereas 20 years ago there might have been 15 or 16 pubs, now there are only about 4 or 5 and many of these aren’t even open daily now. The decline of the Irish pub is an undeniable trend, whether you want to acknowledge that fact or not.


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    #144
    whisky_galore
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    The stand alone drinking dens with open latrine standard toilets are finished.
    So are middle of nowhere rural pubs, pubs that fail to give the public what it wants, whether that's live music or food, pubs with arsehole owners or bar staff.
    Customers are more discerning now, they can go elsewhere or indeed drink at home.

    Obviously all pubs cannot survive, hundreds of pubs have closed and tbh many were no loss.

    The Irish pub itself is not finished. The ones that find their niche, have a loyal customer following have a good chance remaining open.


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    #145
    Edgware
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    The pubs that were kept going in rural Ireland did so because they were owner ran. The publicans family provided the staff and the publican invariably had other business interests such as farmer, auctioneer, undertaker T.D. etc. Now with smaller families and children not interested in the business the pubs are not economical to run. To get a good manager will be 50000 a year and if you dont pay him he will pay himself


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    #146
    kowloon
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    frag420 wrote: »
    Don’t forget Soros...

    Darth Soros, the evil mastermind behind it all.


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    #147
    ShatterAlan
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    whisky_galore wrote: »
    The stand alone drinking dens with open latrine standard toilets are finished.
    So are middle of nowhere rural pubs, pubs that fail to give the public what it wants, whether that's live music or food, pubs with arsehole owners or bar staff.
    Customers are more discerning now, they can go elsewhere or indeed drink at home.

    Obviously all pubs cannot survive, hundreds of pubs have closed and tbh many were no loss.

    The Irish pub itself is not finished. The ones that find their niche, have a loyal customer following have a good chance remaining open.


    "Discerning"? .... is that the word now for a wanker who has a choice?


    I have friends who are millionaires and they would still prefer to suck down a half dozen pints in the kind of kip that you mention as opposed to some soulless glass countered wine bar.


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    #148
    Junkyard Tom
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    We must be down to only several thousand pubs now then?


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    #149
    whisky_galore
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    ShatterAlan wrote: »
    "Discerning"? .... is that the word now for a wanker who has a choice?


    I have friends who are millionaires and they would still prefer to suck down a half dozen pints in the kind of kip that you mention as opposed to some soulless glass countered wine bar.

    You have friends? Good on you.


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    #150
    Filmer Paradise
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    ShatterAlan wrote: »
    "Discerning"? .... is that the word now for a wanker who has a choice?


    I have friends who are millionaires and they would still prefer to suck down a half dozen pints in the kind of kip that you mention as opposed to some soulless glass countered wine bar.

    Y'know for the past 10/15 years I've not been a pub goer. Despite having 7 or 8 pubs within staggering distance of my house.

    Raising a family and all that........

    Tell you what, when this lockdown is over, I'll be making a beeline to the old haunts that I used to go to............if they're still open.

    Old man pubs rock!


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    #151
    touts
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    Good riddance. We think they are the only way to have fun and that everyone else on the world loves us for them. In reality they are a cancer in Irish society and everyone else is laughing at us because of them.

    In 20 years around a quarter will still exist. Another quarter will have evolved into something like wine bars. The rest will be gone. And we will look back at the time of the pub and wonder what the hell we were thinking. We are moving to a more mature relationship with drink.


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