The Island - Bear Grylls

razorblunt · 14-05-2015 9:14am

zoobizoo wrote: »

I felt that the editing of the sunset scene was also odd.

There was rain in the camp and everyone bar Sam was working - he was standing looking at the sunset on his own. It just felt that two separate times were edited together to make it look like Sam was faffing around.

Well spotted, I've pointed this out before, it definitely is a case of selective editing to flesh out a "story".

Vic's a mouthpiece, every time he's challenged on something his response is "did I say that?", the other lads are doing well not to tear his arguments to pieces at times.

somesoldiers · 14-05-2015 9:31pm

Lucky find, two large tins of beans

SeaFields · 14-05-2015 9:55pm

A bit too lucky if you ask me!

It all turned out fine in the end and they had all the food in the world. I missed the last ladies episode but mrs seafields said it was good but some fishermen turned up gave them a fish?! Suspiciously good ending BUT very enjoyable program overall. I'm going to miss my weekly Lauren viewing

Vic annoyed the crap out of me last night. He went from one of the most enjoyable characters to one of the most draining.

somesoldiers · 14-05-2015 9:56pm

Bear said "if I came back in 6 months the women would still be here".. Yeah, 11 skeletons

Alkers · 14-05-2015 10:29pm

Women got heir **** together finally, how they hadnt addressed sleeping arrangements until that stage though is insane, they didn't really progress at all until the end.
I go through a cycle of loving and hating Vic each episode!

PIORUN · 14-05-2015 10:42pm

Very suspicious about the final days in the women's island. Baked beans really took the biscuit

BettePorter · 14-05-2015 10:56pm

very shocked and disappointed to realise this was the last week for the women's island. it never really seemed to get started then suddenly its over. they're there 6 weeks and make their first shelter/bedding 3 days before they leave!???? is that right??

I feel overall it was an anti climax of a series. Not enough big personalities or clashes. week six and I only actually recognise maybe 4 f
of them. It needed more villians.

In hindsight they obviously had feck all material to stretch over the six weeks if what they showed was the best!

L'Enfer du Nord · 14-05-2015 11:42pm

Also Starring LeVar Burton wrote: »

Vic annoys me. Can't stand his prejudices against anyone who isn't working class. Class wars annoy me at the best of times, but they're on an effing remote island and currently going through the same gruelling experience - who cares what side of the tracks someone is from. Also, as much as brawn and hard graft is indeed an important element in such a situation, the complete disregard for someone using their brains and intellect to at least attempt to make life easier for everyone is disheartening. Was glad that there was 21 fish there, because Sam deserved that moment for being attacked because of his background.

Vic, who is as far as I can see is the moneyed owner of his own business strikes me as the type of boss who can't resist lecturing his under motivated employees on "'ow it's dun right". He probably takes particular pleasure in doing this to 'posh' students working for him. I can just see him grabbing a sweeping brush off me and and grafting away for five minutes then giving it back say with some patronising remark. Like anyone could maintain that kind of enthusiasm on minimum wage 40 hours a week.

SeaFields · 15-05-2015 7:25am

somesoldiers wrote: »

Bear said "if I came back in 6 months the women would still be here".. Yeah, 11 skeletons

10 skeletons. Lauren would have constructed a raft, sailed back to the UK, caught and killed bear and had him for breakfast.

BaZmO* · 15-05-2015 9:04am

Also Starring LeVar Burton wrote: »

Vic annoys me. Can't stand his prejudices against anyone who isn't working class. Class wars annoy me at the best of times, but they're on an effing remote island and currently going through the same gruelling experience - who cares what side of the tracks someone is from. Also, as much as brawn and hard graft is indeed an important element in such a situation, the complete disregard for someone using their brains and intellect to at least attempt to make life easier for everyone is disheartening. Was glad that there was 21 fish there, because Sam deserved that moment for being attacked because of his background.

Vic's comments to Sam were just stupid. He had a chance to air his problems with him and instead going with something constructive like, "My problem with you is that you do Fvck all work that needs to be done, instead you just wander around wasting time on stupid things." he went with the bizarre class argument. It only showed up his own prejudices.

I thought the full net of fish at the end was a bit too Hollywood, not doubting it actually happened, but it just seemed very contrived.

Bears narrative that it was so dangerous for them to be wasting time and energy on it didn't help either.

BettePorter wrote: »

In hindsight they obviously had feck all material to stretch over the six weeks if what they showed was the best!

I think that was probably one of the biggest problems with the show. I'd say that they have so much material to trawl through and a lot of it is just nonsense. They have to try and create a narrative from it and I'd imagine that can be quite difficult and is probably the reason for what would seem like strange editing at times.

The women really annoyed me this year and I don't like the way it ended with them being portrayed as amazing survivors when they were a total disaster for most of it.
Really frustrating that they decided to make the beds and make a proper camp with only a few days left. All the way through I thought they didn't do the basic of things because they just weren't capable of doing it, turns out they were just too stupid to do it early on. It took them 3 weeks(?) lying on an insect invested beach to realise this? :rolleyes:

I don't know why they made such a big deal about having a leader, they just needed to have a meeting every more and agree to tasks.

All that said, it is great entertainment.

R P McMurphy · 15-05-2015 11:12am

BettePorter wrote: »

very shocked and disappointed to realise this was the last week for the women's island. it never really seemed to get started then suddenly its over. they're there 6 weeks and make their first shelter/bedding 3 days before they leave!???? is that right??

I feel overall it was an anti climax of a series. Not enough big personalities or clashes. week six and I only actually recognise maybe 4 f
of them. It needed more villians.

In hindsight they obviously had feck all material to stretch over the six weeks if what they showed was the best!

Seemed to be a very cute blonde woman behind the camera most of the time and rarely saw her. Think she might have been wearing a black bikini most of the time. Maybe was just edited to show a couple of people all of the time or else the others contributed little

jackofalltrades · 15-05-2015 1:50pm

Good to see Sam's fishing net work.
Hopefully it will end their dependence on Vic and more of the men will call him up on the bollix that he comes out with.

Anyone else notice how the men seem to always be collection loads of firewood, which looks like hard work.
But on the women's island you never see them putting in hard work to collect firewood.
The fire just seems to amble on by.

I also don't like the portrayal that the women were super successful.
Sure they were doing well by the end.
But if the production team hadn't intervened twice, then they would have had to have been taken off the island for their own safety.
And I still don't understand how the vegetarian lasted 6 weeks.

the whole year inn · 15-05-2015 2:20pm

jackofalltrades wrote: »

Good to see Sam's fishing net work.
Hopefully it will end their dependence on Vic and more of the men will call him up on the bollix that he comes out with.

Anyone else notice how the men seem to always be collection loads of firewood, which looks like hard work.
But on the women's island you never see them putting in hard work to collect firewood.
The fire just seems to amble on by.

I also don't like the portrayal that the women were super successful.
Sure they were doing well by the end.
But if the production team hadn't intervened twice, then they would have had to have been taken off the island for their own safety.
And I still don't understand how the vegetarian lasted 6 weeks.

She was in leisure land altogether coconuts are damn expensive.
I missed the part about the tins of beans?

L'Enfer du Nord · 15-05-2015 4:24pm

To be fair to Vic he has a lot of energy and he brings home the bacon (I mean fish). The others really look up to him. But he could be be a much better leader if he wasn't so full of it. The I'm honest working class Yorkshire grafter, you are a dishonest lazy southern toff 'argument' was just plain ridiculous in the context of the Island.

All in all I love the show, people come out of very well (for a change) and it does illustrate a lot of stuff we take for granted. While I look forward to an other series I fear they are going to cast some real aseholes (with staying power this time) or they are going to have a mixed island. The latter could be OK but could ended up being presented as a string of cliches and stereo types.

obriendj · 18-05-2015 10:39am

R P McMurphy wrote: »

Seemed to be a very cute blonde woman behind the camera most of the time and rarely saw her. Think she might have been wearing a black bikini most of the time. Maybe was just edited to show a couple of people all of the time or else the others contributed little

It really seemed that the 3 camera women didnt get a look in. They spoke a bit to the camera now and then but there weren't really around or so it seemed.

This might be down to the others didnt get great footage of them on their go-pros.

Each group seems to have their own stars with leading roles supporting roles and finally tiny roles. I thought in this sense the women group was well distributed. and we got to know alot about all members but like I said the camera women were always in the background.

NUTZZ · 19-05-2015 6:15pm

The final episode from the mens island airs tomorrow night (Wednesday) at 9pm and then on Thursday at 9pm we have Episode 13 - Bear Grylls: Surviving The Island, Bear meets the men and women who made it through six weeks on a Pacific island, to see how they coped battling hunger, thirst, and each other, in one of the biggest tests of their lives

NUTZZ · 19-05-2015 10:03pm

Forgot to mention there is an American version of The Island starting on May 25th! NBC will air the 6 episode series.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3E_t-tkb0E

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Thargor · 19-05-2015 10:18pm

I know it wont be as good and will probably be an encyclopedia of fake American reality show cliches but Ill take it, thanks!

Cork boy 55 · 20-05-2015 1:46am

The last 30 minutes of the female island appeared to be an exercise in channel 4 feminism and seemed rather suspicious they went from near death to thriving in a flash, having said that it does appear that the secret to eating well on these islands is to master fishing particularly the net fishing once you have a descent meal(+ water) every day the rest of it is just organizing the camp,.

I have a feeling that in order to drive home the feminist point we will see in the last episode of the men's island have the place descend into lord of the flies or some sort of epic failure prior to bear turning up.

EoghanIRL · 20-05-2015 10:16am

Why didn't the men continue to set traps for kamen and crocodiles? Since they did catch one..

obriendj · 20-05-2015 10:26am

EoghanIRL wrote: »

Why didn't the men continue to set traps for kamen and crocodiles? Since they did catch one..

But the species of Caimen that they caught were endangered and the producers didnt realize they were on the island so i think they might have been told to stay away from them.

Thargor · 20-05-2015 10:28am

Did they catch one in a trap or was the American alligator just lying there when they were checking the Cayman traps?

somesoldiers · 20-05-2015 11:00am

Thargor wrote: »

Did they catch one in a trap or was the American alligator just lying there when they were checking the Cayman traps?

the Caimen was caught in one of their traps

L'Enfer du Nord · 20-05-2015 6:39pm

Thargor wrote: »

I know it wont be as good and will probably be an encyclopedia of fake American reality show cliches but Ill take it, thanks!

'The British' actually come out quite well of the british one. Maybe the Americans will too if they resist the temptation to cast a bunch of opposites. Chances are someone be accused of 'not being a good American'. I hope two American characteristics you don't always see on reality TV come to the fore good manners and a can do attitude.

What's the American Yorkshire? Texas?

Thargor · 28-05-2015 10:45pm

Episode one of the American version is out now, men only no womens team, supposed to be off to a good start.

the whole year inn · 29-05-2015 10:00am

Thargor wrote: »

Episode one of the American version is out now, men only no womens team, supposed to be off to a good start.

what channell is that on

Thargor · 29-05-2015 10:06am

Ummm, I think you'll be waiting a long time to see it on any channel...

the whole year inn · 29-05-2015 10:10am

Thargor wrote: »

Ummm, I think you'll be waiting a long time to see it on any channel...

gotya

BaZmO* · 01-06-2015 10:09pm

Thargor wrote: »

Ummm, I think you'll be waiting a long time to see it on any channel...

I'm normally quite good at getting my American cousin to send me over the recordings but I can't seem to get in touch with him. Have you seen it yourself?

Meanaspie · 01-06-2015 10:47pm

BaZmO* wrote: »

I'm normally quite good at getting my American cousin to send me over the recordings but I can seem to get in touch with him. Have you seen it yourself?

The pirates must have gotten hold of it on it's way across...

Thargor · 07-06-2015 2:03am

Pretty dramatic episode 2, Im liking this so far, preview for next week looks intense...

BaZmO* · 07-06-2015 9:39am

Thargor wrote: »

Pretty dramatic episode 2, Im liking this so far, preview for next week looks intense...

Yeah I'm liking the US so far. They were all very American initially, going on too much about their feelings and emotions, but that veneer was quickly eroded as it started to get tough.

That young guy that left was an absolute nut job. It's mad how quickly people's body's breakdown.

deco nate · 07-06-2015 9:49pm

BaZmO* wrote: »

Yeah I'm liking the US so far. They were all very American initially, going on too much about their feelings and emotions, but that veneer was quickly eroded as it started to get tough.

That young guy that left was an absolute nut job. It's mad how quickly people's body's breakdown.

Tbh he was a nut job from the start!

Thargor · 08-06-2015 12:31am

He had a big scar on his skull from a motorbike accident, there was a guy who looked a lot like him in my town when I was a kid who was in a coma for a while after cracking his skull years ago on a motorbike aswell and he turned into a nutjob with the exact same loud and aggressive mannerisms as that guy, he used to go around cursing at people and kicking doors in until he committed suicide.

The guy who didnt want to lose his dignity in front of his kids didnt really get his wish, you could tell the camermen are really part of the production crew rather than contestants the way they said fcuk that when told not to film it. It was a bit lame cracking up like that after 48-72 hours though.

somesoldiers · 08-06-2015 9:30am

Thargor wrote: »

He had a big scar on his skull from a motorbike accident, there was a guy who looked a lot like him in my town when I was a kid who was in a coma for a while after cracking his skull years ago on a motorbike aswell and he turned into a nutjob with the exact same loud and aggressive mannerisms as that guy, he used to go around cursing at people and kicking doors in until he committed suicide.

The guy who didnt want to lose his dignity in front of his kids didnt really get his wish, you could tell the camermen are really part of the production crew rather than contestants the way they said fcuk that when told not to film it. It was a bit lame cracking up like that after 48-72 hours though.

and he after putting himself out there as the leader...

mikom · 08-06-2015 4:45pm

Argghh the American one is muck.
All action and drama with pumping music right from the off.
Colours turned up to 11.
Fast food TV basically.

BaZmO* · 08-06-2015 4:58pm

mikom wrote: »

Argghh the American one is muck.
All action and drama with pumping music right from the off.
Colours turned up to 11.
Fast food TV basically.

I was expecting it to be worse so I'm not that bothered with Americanization of it.

You're right about the colour though! None of this sending them in during the rainy season nonsense like the Brits got!

NUTZZ · 12-06-2015 10:06am

I have to say I've found the American Island far more watchable than I anticipated. Needlessly over dramatic with the promos, music and overblown colours but some of the men are genuinely likable and interesting to watch. Three men gone with just over a week on the Island passed, one with quite a serious injury too.

I loved how they reacted to catching the endangered turtle in the fish nets, the mouth to mouth resuscitation was pretty surreal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70MxbBjaN4U

Thargor · 14-07-2015 9:42am

well that American version limped home to a very dull conclusion. Just like most american survival shows it focused on trying to pitch lame drama between the contestants instead of focusing on their food and shelter like in the UK version but everyone was so hungry and tired it was just a big pile of nothing.

The British version was way more dramatic, they were actually suffering and trying to survive, this one they just lounged around until it was time to go home...

NUTZZ · 17-03-2016 10:46pm

It's back! Season 3;

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The show returns for a third outing on Monday 28th March at 9pm. In the new series, 8 women and 8 men are abandoned at opposite ends of the island and must swim to shore to find water and set up camp.

Can they survive when stripped of all the luxuries and conveniences of 21st century living? Will they be able to access the skills of their forefathers and find the hunter-gatherer within? And what will they learn about themselves when life as they know is stripped back to its basics?

Thargor · 18-03-2016 11:46am

Brilliant news!

Thargor · 18-03-2016 1:23pm

Forgot about Lauren from the last series, she was a fox:

somesoldiers · 23-03-2016 4:14pm

If last series was anything to go by they'll probably all have to be rescued swimming to the Island. Good viewing though

NUTZZ · 24-03-2016 7:33pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_W_7k9KpkA

the whole year inn · 24-03-2016 7:49pm

NUTZZ wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_W_7k9KpkA

For a comedy that looks pretty serious.

Cant wait for this to be back!

NUTZZ · 28-03-2016 8:59pm

Just kicking off now on Channel 4 HD.

evolving_doors · 28-03-2016 9:06pm

Just watched all of season 1 yesterday... Well impressed, glad Bear 'kind-of' stays out of it, but at times he interjects like that annoying French maitre'd in First dates.... Yabbeering on about downward spirals.
Season 1went well for the lads... I wonder will the introduction of ladies in Season 2 yoko ono the buzz.

the whole year inn · 28-03-2016 10:05pm

Not a bad episode,the insurance fella seems like a right dick,who want to move when they had at least some shelter and a fire going.The women drinking the stagnate water and the doctor telling them to drink more of it ha.
Cant wait for the next episode.

Keplar240B · 28-03-2016 10:08pm

An amputee? Seriously? What next season the blind?

jackofalltrades · 28-03-2016 11:55pm

Keplar240B wrote: »

An amputee? Seriously? What next season the blind?

If they're fit enough to last the course of the programme then I don't see why not.
Most people who leave the island do so due to not being able to deal with the mental challenge.
I'm guessing losing a limb and dealing with the effects every day would build a decent level of mental toughness.

That and ever since they had a vegetarian on it in the last season, nothing would surprise me.

The Island - Bear Grylls

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