The Island - Bear Grylls

pooch90 · 10-04-2015 11:16am

Or practice how to build a shelter,what the signs in nature are for finding a water source,practice building the fire,what repels sand flies. Cant get my head around the utter lack of preparation,both mental and practical.

I'm a big girl's blouse and scared of snakes and spiders but if you have signed up,you can't cry for twenty minutes when a snake approaches you. As one of the women said,hack its head off and carry on with the bonus of some meat for dinner.

Thargor · 11-04-2015 6:35pm

This is really good, proper survival not like the soft touch American stuff. Although there have been some really good eps of Naked and Marooned recently.

razorblunt · 15-04-2015 9:35pm

I'm really uncomfortable with the idea of populating the island with pigs and crocs just for them to kill and eat.

Good so far though, that eejit Paul talked himself off the island, glad the lads gave them short shrift and advided if they're going then jog on and get out of the way.

BaZmO* · 16-04-2015 1:49pm

razorblunt wrote: »

I'm really uncomfortable with the idea of populating the island with pigs and crocs just for them to kill and eat.

I was wondering that too. I assume they take them off the island afterwards? And hopefully they haven't caused any destruction.

razorblunt wrote: »

Good so far though, that eejit Paul talked himself off the island, glad the lads gave them short shrift and advided if they're going then jog on and get out of the way.

Yeah I was glad too. What was he expecting? A big group hug and another 4 hours waffling on about the situation, all the while getting a little closer to starvation. :rolleyes:

If he had any sense he would've realised that the older guy wouldn't have lasted much longer. He just needed to bide his time.

That was a pretty hairy moment when the huge 10 FOOT WAVE (lol) came out of nowhere and swept him out to sea. :eek: I know they grossly exaggerated the exact circumstances but it was an extremely risky situation to put themselves in.

Buona Fortuna · 16-04-2015 2:23pm

Yes its a shame those three going so quickly. Its a shame because they could have used their skills - and because three lads who might have gotten a lot more from it could have used their places.

A lot more than just the duty free allowance anyway.

Addle · 16-04-2015 2:36pm

Imagine the state of them if there wasn't additional provisions?
I like the show a lot.

pooch90 · 16-04-2015 4:57pm

Delighted all the dead wood is gone from the men's camp.
But as said above, it's a shame they took 3 spots that someone who would've gotten stuck in could've had.
The incident with the wave looked really scary and knocked poor little Barney a lot, was really happy for him that he caught the iguana to give him a boost again.

Looking forward to the women tonight.

zoobizoo · 16-04-2015 5:27pm

The "Ig-You-ana" looked tasty.

somesoldiers · 16-04-2015 9:12pm

The women have not eaten in days and have no water. Half of them are lost on the other side of the island. They found a Cayman and you could see their eyes light up.....would make a great new handbag

Akrasia · 16-04-2015 9:49pm

somesoldiers wrote: »

The women have not eaten in days and have no water. Half of them are lost on the other side of the island. They found a Cayman and you could see their eyes light up.....would make a great new handbag

Its mad. one group of women are camped our a few metres from the drop off point waiting to be rescued by an exploration team who have explored the same circular bit of the island about 3 times. Neither group has found food or water or managed to light a fire.

Why do the 'camp' group take the initiative of finding a beach and water themselves instead of sitting and waiting for days on end. My mind is officially boggled

somesoldiers · 16-04-2015 9:50pm

It is really tiresome at this stage. pity it rained that time it might be over now

somesoldiers · 16-04-2015 9:58pm

Plenty of energy for ones that have had feck all to eat, I don't believe it

BaZmO* · 17-04-2015 12:00am

Unless a crate full of McDonalds washes up on the beach pretty soon I can't see the women's group lasting, they're an absolute disaster.

Buona Fortuna · 17-04-2015 8:33am

somesoldiers wrote: »

Plenty of energy for ones that have had feck all to eat, I don't believe it

I'm starting to agree. They can't be surving just on the little bit of rainwater.

BettePorter · 17-04-2015 8:48am

I would say that the crew who came to rescue the collapsed girl furnished them with at least water. But the way the 'luckily' found the other group was a bit unbelievable. ' oh I'm just gonna stand up here on these rocks ..... oh look.... there they are!'

But then I suppose leaving them to their own devices the entire 6 week show would have consisted of them hacking through undergrowth looking for eachother.

Buona Fortuna · 17-04-2015 8:57am

BettePorter wrote: »

I would say that the crew who came to rescue the collapsed girl furnished them with at least water. But the way the 'luckily' found the other group was a bit unbelievable. ' oh I'm just gonna stand up here on these rocks ..... oh look.... there they are!'

But then I suppose leaving them to their own devices the entire 6 week show would have consisted of them hacking through undergrowth looking for eachother.

They had to, otherwise the rescuers would have needed a shotgun escort.

At the end of the day its just a tv programme but I suspect that the production crew are giving more assistance, supplies and direction than we are privvy to.

Shame, but then no one wants to see anyone come to any harm. Though at times it reminds me of that classic "Ice Road Truckers" with all of its false drama. Probably dangerous enough but the tv has to first make it safe and then make it appear more dangerous.

somesoldiers · 17-04-2015 9:14am

We all know that tv shows are edited to within an inch of their lives and probably portray a very different picture to what actually happened to increase ratings but labelling this as "an experiment" I feel puts it in a different category.
If the experiment fails after 4 days because people couldn't cope then so be it....stop interfering or stop calling it an experiment, am starting to believe the BGT "talking dog" more than this show now

BaZmO* · 17-04-2015 9:49am

I dunno, I'm not how much assistance they actually get, but I'd imagine the reason they sent them there during the rainy season was to ensure that at the very least they'd have water. Ironically, it's the rainy weather that seems to depress them the most.

There was a bit that I thought was strange the other night, but I could be wrong about it. When they caught the iguana there was only two of them but there seemed to be another person filming it?

razorblunt · 17-04-2015 10:26am

I'd imagine they are given daily rations as their basic portions, similar in a way to I'm a Celeb.
I also think if you pass out to dehydration that's you out of the running and removed from the island. You could argue the same for the lad stung by the Scorpion but his medical attention was over the radio rather than a visit from the support team.

The girls appear to kill that pig, which to me is completely gratuitous but I've mentioned that before so won't bang on, so they appear to keep getting stronger.
The lads have those two nasty injuries to come (fall from the overhang, from a few feet and the deep gash on the arm).

Watching the women was incredibly frustrating, especially the circles, if you're going to walk in circles why not loop the island by the beaches.

Buona Fortuna · 17-04-2015 10:31am

There was a scene last night where the women had a load of crabs under some sort of pot and were racing them for fun.

I don't know if they're edible (if I'd any interest in doing something similar be sure I'd have swotted up) but why not eat them even boiled up in sea water.

jackofalltrades · 17-04-2015 4:50pm

Buona Fortuna wrote: »

There was a scene last night where the women had a load of crabs under some sort of pot and were racing them for fun.

I don't know if they're edible (if I'd any interest in doing something similar be sure I'd have swotted up) but why not eat them even boiled up in sea water.

Sure on the first night on the island, one of the women was going nuts at a crab crawling on a tree near her.
Even when food walks right up to them they still seem to have no idea what to do.

And what was with the "camp group" just waiting around doing nothing.
Why weren't they all having a go at trying to light a fire or finding food or building a shelter.
It was like some of them had given up and were waiting around to die.

SeaFields · 19-04-2015 9:07am

when the two lads got washed off the rocks and lost their cameras, how did they get the footage they filmed immediately beforehand? :eek:

I never get the concept of people wanting to leave these type of challenges after a day or two. I'd be of the opinion that I would try my best to get through it and if it defeated me, so be it. I would give it a hell of a lot longer than a few days! They do know what they are signing up for beforehand.

It's a good show all the same. Myself and mrs seafields tuning in every week and a few people in work watching it too. These types shows do prove popular. RTE take note....

Addle · 19-04-2015 9:44am

SeaFields wrote: »

RTE take note....

Maybe an rte show was the original inspiration?
Lambo....

Buona Fortuna · 19-04-2015 10:06am

SeaFields wrote: »

I never get the concept of people wanting to leave these type of challenges after a day or two. I'd be of the opinion that I would try my best to get through it and if it defeated me, so be it. I would give it a hell of a lot longer than a few days! They do know what they are signing up for beforehand.

I'm sure there was a fair bit of engineering by the production team. They didn't want people that could survive so much as those that would make interesting Tele.

I'm sure you could pick 14 people off of here at random and they would make a better fist of it. Probably be great to do - not so great to watch though

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I'm enjoying it too. It beats the usual rubbish.

Thargor · 19-04-2015 12:49pm

SeaFields wrote: »

when the two lads got washed off the rocks and lost their cameras, how did they get the footage they filmed immediately beforehand? :eek:

I never get the concept of people wanting to leave these type of challenges after a day or two. I'd be of the opinion that I would try my best to get through it and if it defeated me, so be it. I would give it a hell of a lot longer than a few days! They do know what they are signing up for beforehand.

It's a good show all the same. Myself and mrs seafields tuning in every week and a few people in work watching it too. These types shows do prove popular. RTE take note....

Cameras like those wont be from Argos or PwerCity, they'll probably cost about 50-100k and be fully waterproof with GPS beacons so they can float away and be retrieved later.

Funniest bit of the week had to be when the expedition team were running through the bush all excited because they thought they recognised the terrain around the original campsite then they realised they were back on Coconut Beach for the 4th time and a couple of them started bawling crying, absolutely brilliant

They must be getting a food ration though, as has been said there is no way they would be functioning like this the way they've been behaving for the past few days.

BettePorter · 22-04-2015 9:19pm

does anyone recog Vic from a reality show in early to mid noughties .... about a cleaning company he owned with the wife?? maybe I'm just thinking I remember him but the fact hes a cleaning facilities manager now was a bit coincidental.

Buona Fortuna · 22-04-2015 9:25pm

BettePorter wrote: »

does anyone recog Vic from a reality show in early to mid noughties .... about a cleaning company he owned with the wife?? maybe I'm just thinking I remember him but the fact hes a cleaning facilities manager now was a bit coincidental.

Bette, I don't, but I wouldn't be in the least surprised. I've seen similar instances of someone appearing on "This Morning" The BB audience and some doc about wife-swapping all in a couple of months.

I've long held the view that the majority of the people on these types of show are not Joe and Jane Soap but are trawled from casting agents and will be whatever the producers want. There will be a few ordinary types but the rest are there for the story.

razorblunt · 22-04-2015 10:43pm

Poorly edited tonight, when they complained the 2nd time about Kyle they showed the footage from the morning of him brushing his teeth again.

Seems like there could be trouble too as the Caiman may not have been been the species they thought it was and it was actually on an endangered species list.

SeaFields · 23-04-2015 8:19am

BettePorter wrote: »

does anyone recog Vic from a reality show in early to mid noughties .... about a cleaning company he owned with the wife?? maybe I'm just thinking I remember him but the fact hes a cleaning facilities manager now was a bit coincidental.

The wife has a great eye for those sort of things and says she recognises him but cant pin point from where.

Good episode tonight although I have to say the editing was poor as well. Before the net was found I could have swore I saw the net in the background of one of the shots. And I did notice the kept showing Kyle brushing his teething / giving himself a pedicure.

Tonight should be interesting. Can the women kill the pigs?!

razorblunt · 23-04-2015 9:08am

For some weird reason I'd have found it much harder to kill the pig than the alligator, maybe due to the noises they make.
Seems they get specialist training though "for the kill" judging by where the lads knew to go for.

Clips should the girls lining up to slit the throat of a piglet, surely there's a better way than that?

Thargor · 23-04-2015 10:22am

SeaFields wrote: »

The wife has a great eye for those sort of things and says she recognises him but cant pin point from where.

Good episode tonight although I have to say the editing was poor as well. Before the net was found I could have swore I saw the net in the background of one of the shots. And I did notice the kept showing Kyle brushing his teething / giving himself a pedicure.

Tonight should be interesting. Can the women kill the pigs?!

The net was definitely in the background of a few shots before he dug it up, when I first saw it I was wondering why they didnt have it in the water and when they were celebrating finding it I was thinking they had a nicer one back at camp

I feel sorry for those poor animals tbh, its pretty obvious they're just being pulled out of a crate and dumped there a few minutes before the survivors arrive. No way in hell did these amateurs build a trap that actually worked like that.

BaZmO* · 23-04-2015 10:34am

Thargor wrote: »

I feel sorry for those poor animals tbh, its pretty obvious they're just being pulled out of a crate and dumped there a few minutes before the survivors arrive. No way in hell did these amateurs build a trap that actually worked like that.

That doesn't add up though, especially if they are being accused of killing an endangered animal. Although judging by these comments, the crocs were native to the Island.

A Channel 4 spokesperson has commented on the unfortunate incident, telling The Sun: “This was a genuine and regrettable error. Prior to filming experts were consulted to ascertain species on both islands and the American crocodile was not known to be in the area or on the island.

“The relevant national environment agency are aware of the incident and have granted a licence to replace the animal which has now been done.”

Thargor · 23-04-2015 10:56am

Ah interesting thanks, pretty good achievement for the men then, pity it was endangered.

somesoldiers · 23-04-2015 3:59pm

Thargor wrote: »

Ah interesting thanks, pretty good achievement for the men then, pity it was endangered.

it's even more endangered now

RoryMurphyJnr · 23-04-2015 4:06pm

Good show, watched it last year.
Both groups proving to be equally useless.

Said it last year my Cub Scouts would do a better job of surviving

Thargor · 23-04-2015 4:22pm

somesoldiers wrote: »

it's even more endangered now

Only technically endangered in parts of a range that stretches from Brazil to the US and all over Cuba and the other islands and heavily protected for most of that, its not going extinct any time soon.

Trond · 23-04-2015 4:28pm

Anyone else think the women are been given a helping hand at this stage?

The arrival of those pigs seems a tad suspicious given they never came across them in 2 full days of wandering aimlessly through the jungle.

Thargor · 23-04-2015 4:34pm

Has to be fake but then again I thought that about the mens meal last night, 2 little piglets no sign of the mother? They didnt look like feral pigs either which are next to impossible to catch bare handed.

MRnotlob606 · 23-04-2015 4:37pm

I liked the first series not so convinced about the second series to be honest.

BaZmO* · 23-04-2015 5:19pm

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

I liked the first series not so convinced about the second series to be honest.

The first series was more set up than this one, and that's by their own admission.

Thargor · 23-04-2015 9:07pm

This series is already 10X as good as the last boring fake whine-fest.

BaZmO* · 23-04-2015 9:41pm

These women are idiots!
Boiling water in a can with lid on. Eating snails when there's two pigs literally throwing themselves on the fire. Inability to collect rainwater. Terrible.

razorblunt · 23-04-2015 10:01pm

Bear trying to justify killing the pigs "it's a matter of survival", no it isn't, you've just given them a "here's one I made before" toolset to start fire.

Did I also see a fishing net in the background during their council of war talk?

SeaFields · 24-04-2015 7:20am

Random piglets that just start following them? Hmmm.....

Didn't notice the net in the background but one of them was digging it up at one stage. And why would you go on this show if you were a vegetarian?! Oh and we're all dehydrated - lets throw on the bikinis and sunbath. The mind boggles.

I think the show would be horrendously boring if it was a dozen Laurens on the island. She's like a female Bear Grylls.

Buona Fortuna · 24-04-2015 8:39am

SeaFields wrote: »

Didn't notice the net in the background but one of them was digging it up at one stage. And why would you go on this show if you were a vegetarian?! Oh and we're all dehydrated - lets throw on the bikinis and sunbath. The mind boggles.

But if you were a veggie - its OK to say I don't wan't to kill the pet piglets and I suggest this alternative - berries and roots and whatever - No I'll just go and cry at the edge of the sea and dream of nut cutlets.

A bit surprised that they killed both together rather than saving one for another day. Anything left over and they'll be in the same position as the men with the croc.

Have the women tried to fish at all?

Bear Grylis keep popping up and stating the bleedin obvious is mildly irritating too.

jackofalltrades · 24-04-2015 9:07pm

Pulling my hair out watching the womens episode.

What's with having a discussion and then having a vote on what to do about the pigs.
If I was surviving on 50 calories a day and there were two pigs at my feet, I'd kill them and eat them end of story.
I wouldn't be waiting on some emotional and tortuously long group decision.
If others don't like that then tough.

And how does the vegetarian expect to last 6 weeks.
She should be constantly foraging for food so that she gets enough calories/nutrients.
And why were unopened coconuts at their first beach camp.

Can't see many of them making it to the end.
I feel sorry for the few that are trying, having to carry the rest of them.

Binka · 24-04-2015 9:27pm

I think you're missing the point of the mens vs womens island. The experiment is to show how men and women deal so differently with survival/life.

Women are not instinctively designed to kill. It is not in their nature. They give life.

Men are hunter gatherers and are instinctively tuned to kill.

The clue is in the fact that on Wednesday night's show even the most ineffective man (the fellah manicuring his feet all day long) didn't think twice about killing the caiman, whereas on Thursday nights episode most of the women were making friends/cuddling/giving names to the piglets.

Women nurture. Men hunt

This is what is fascinating about fly on the wall docs of this type. The women that try to emulate men succumb to their softer side too when put to the test.
I don't think there was any shame in not wanting to kill the piglets. They just weren't hungry enough.

The fact that the women are whingeing and crying all the time is annoying. It gives women a bad name, but the reality is that's the way way women deal with things. I'm a woman and a lot of the time I'm cringing watching this, but I also understand womankind.

jackofalltrades · 24-04-2015 10:28pm

Binka wrote: »

Women are not instinctively designed to kill. It is not in their nature. They give life.

Men are hunter gatherers and are instinctively tuned to kill.

What's your source for this?
Women can kill instinctively, Lauren killing the pigs showed that.
I just think some of them take it less seriously than others and would leave the island before they'd have to do anything that would put them out of their comfort zone.

The clue is in the fact that on Wednesday night's show even the most ineffective man (the fellah manicuring his feet all day long) didn't think twice about killing the caiman, whereas on Thursday nights episode most of the women were making friends/cuddling/giving names to the piglets.

If I remember correctly, in the last series of the show Ryan was quite upset over one of the animals being killed.

I don't think there was any shame in not wanting to kill the piglets. They just weren't hungry enough.

That said once the pigs were dead their objections quickly disappeared and they tucked into the food.

Binka · 24-04-2015 11:52pm

jackofalltrades wrote: »

What's your source for this?

I don't have a source for this. It's just my understanding of humankind and the way it's been taught to me.

I'm not disagreeing with any of your observations either. I'm not disputing the upset that either party felt about the killing of a living creature, my point is that the men's approach is different to the women's and while the men tend to get on with the job in hand the women tend to cry, whinge and become emotional, albeit with less confrontation.

I thought it was interesting that although about half of the women were looking upon the piglets as food from the get go they didn't make a big issue about it and avoided confrontation until everyone was hungry enough to take the vote.

My gut feeling is that if women were left to survive alone in a real situation a vegetarian society would evolve because they'd be making friends with all the animals.

Wellyd · 24-04-2015 11:58pm

Can someone pleas explain to me how the fcuk Lauren looks so good?! Some of the women's faces look like they're about to explode but she looks like a goddess?

The Island - Bear Grylls

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