Gangland Shootings [Mod Note in Post #1]

YFlyer · 01-02-2018 3:11am

Its not handed over, its seized.

I'm from Limerick City.

dd972 · 01-02-2018 3:16am

splinter65 wrote: »

That’s true. You’d have to wonder is Hutch planning something big or, more likely, he’s sick over the heartbreak he’s brought on his family and absolutely scared ****less.

This whole thing looks like a confrontation between an International crime syndicate and an old time Dublin crime family in terms of access to weapons, gunmen, cash, etc, predictably it's turning out like like Man City versus Rochdale.

I doubt though The Monk is losing any sleep whatsoever aside from looking out for his own survival, psychologically these are strange people with high levels of sociopathy and psychopathic traits, worry, guilt, fear or stress doesn't affect them the way it does normal Joe Soaps, being wild and off the leash from early childhood reinforces this attitude that they have carte blanche on life and can do what they like, 'Ah well, such is life' is probably the sum total of how recent events are bothering him.

the sheriff is HERE · 01-02-2018 3:18am

YFlyer wrote: »

Its not handed over, its seized.

I'm from Limerick City.

ok, i have done limericks gangster tours, all areas, there isnt any supply issues of illegal drugs in limerick.

its worse now, i keep saying because of the innocent murders, its all about making money and that is scary.

i can answer anything you want just pose it to me.

YFlyer · 01-02-2018 3:21am

lol ok.

the sheriff is HERE · 01-02-2018 3:23am

dd972 wrote: »

This whole thing looks like a confrontation between an International crime syndicate and an old time Dublin crime family in terms of access to weapons, gunmen, cash, etc, predictably it's turning out like like Man City versus Rochdale.

I doubt though The Monk is losing any sleep whatsoever aside from looking out for his own survival, psychologically these are strange people with high levels of sociopathy and psychopathic traits, worry, guilt, fear or stress doesn't affect them the way it does normal Joe Soaps, being wild and off the leash from early childhood reinforces this attitude that they have carte blanche on life and can do what they like, 'Ah well, such is life' is probably the sum total of how recent events are bothering him.

HUTCH CLAN CRY Hundreds of mourners told ‘this is a family, this is not a cartel’ as Derek ‘Del Boy’ Coakley Hutch is laid to rest
Close family friend liam told the congregation heart-warming stories about the good times he had shared with the slain dad-of-two

ironically the hutch family friend name is liam

the last picture i cant find of gerry is his brothers funeral and the pain is clearly visible in his face, he cant protect his extented family.

edit i took out hutch family friends surname.

the sheriff is HERE · 01-02-2018 3:26am

YFlyer wrote: »

lol ok.

seriously pose whatever questions you have, ill answer them that's how much i know.

its worse now than ever before because its quiet.

i can name all limericks top crims and even know to see them.

the sheriff is HERE · 01-02-2018 3:28am

YFlyer wrote: »

Its not handed over, its seized.

I'm from Limerick City.

it was handed over to CAB, for his tax bill from illegal earnings and i put that there so you can find out who he is without me naming him.

humberklog · 01-02-2018 3:32am

the sheriff is HERE wrote: »

HUTCH CLAN CRY Hundreds of mourners told ‘this is a family, this is not a cartel’ as Derek ‘Del Boy’ Coakley Hutch is laid to rest

Derek "Del Boy" Hutch is still alive and in prison.

Derek Coakley Hutch was only called Del.

the sheriff is HERE · 01-02-2018 3:32am

YFlyer wrote: »

Man that happened years ago with the whole Pike Inn, Steering wheel incident. You're living in the past.

Brannigans on upper mulgrave st, which is knocked now i never knew it as pike inn.

the sheriff is HERE · 01-02-2018 3:35am

humberklog wrote: »

Derek "Del Boy" Hutch is still alive and in prison.

Derek Coakley Hutch was only called Del.

i know del boy youre on about is locked up.

everywhere ive seen derek coakley hutches name as del boy too.

baylah17 · 01-02-2018 3:36am

pilly wrote: »

Jesus H, this thread is a joke.

Couldn't agree more
Full of wannabe ganstas who sound like something out of a bad 1970s cop show.

the sheriff is HERE · 01-02-2018 3:40am

baylah17 wrote: »

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hello, you called me out today, i replied to you re pharmaceutical and there abuse here, you never replied?

did you read my links?

hatrickpatrick · 01-02-2018 3:59am

@Sherriff since you seem to know a fair bit about all this, do you know roughly how big The Monk's family tree is? He seems to have a ridiculous number of brothers and nephews, and every time I think I have a clear picture of the extent of it, I hear of a new one I hadn't noted before. I had been thinking rather morbidly that he must be getting rather isolated as his brothers and nephews are being killed in this feud, but there always seem to be more of them.

Just how huge a clan is it?

the sheriff is HERE · 01-02-2018 4:22am

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

@Sherriff since you seem to know a fair bit about all this, do you know roughly how big The Monk's family tree is? He seems to have a ridiculous number of brothers and nephews, and every time I think I have a clear picture of the extent of it, I hear of a new one I hadn't noted before. I had been thinking rather morbidly that he must be getting rather isolated as his brothers and nephews are being killed in this feud, but there always seem to be more of them.

Just how huge a clan is it?

ive been on Facebook all day (i need to be careful too much info there) mostly womens names ive found and younger generation of hutches not the older ones, i also dont want to name any more of the males because they're all targets.

The Bishop Basher · 01-02-2018 7:29am

pilly wrote: »

Jesus H, this thread is a joke.

baylah17 wrote: »

Couldn't agree more
Full of wannabe ganstas who sound like something out of a bad 1970s cop show.

As you post for the 7th time on it

I can never quite understand the motivation for someone to hang around and post in a thread they have such a problem with..

Is it some kind of compulsion ?

Just wondering..

And are you still claiming we don't have a problem with prescription drugs in this country ?

the sheriff is HERE · 01-02-2018 11:45am

the sheriff is HERE wrote: »

2010 Renault Kangoo ML19 85 DCI 5DR

on the above, especially to the people who frequent the motors forum.

5dr meaning the MPV type (driver, passenger, with 2 rear passenger doors and boot) , ive been looking up the van type, it only has 4 doors (driver, passenger and a double rear door)

van used in buda murder,
it was a van type renualt kangoo 5 door (driver, passenger,side slide door behind passenger, and double back doors)picture in the sun with no name to the picture.

on the front of today's irish star it says the gun was found in the partially burnt van.

anyone know type of gun used yet?

another poster said he was lured to his death yesterday good info, from reading reports he was collecting money owed (person who paid the money didnt know a murder was about to happen apparently) and was been monitored the whole way.

benny79 · 01-02-2018 12:08pm

Aren't all the getaway vehicles found partially burnt out! :rolleyes:

corner of hells · 01-02-2018 12:15pm

the sheriff is HERE wrote: »

ive been on Facebook all day (i need to be careful too much info there) mostly womens names ive found and younger generation of hutches not the older ones, i also dont want to name any more of the males because they're all targets.

Kinda morbid stalking that family.

Treepole · 01-02-2018 12:18pm

benny79 wrote: »

Aren't all the getaway vehicles found partially burnt out! :rolleyes:

No. Most are found burnt out. Some are found partially burnt out.
With a partially burnt out vehicle there is a chance of retrieving some useful forensic evidence.

Gadgetman496 · 01-02-2018 12:28pm

corner of hells wrote: »

Kinda morbid stalking that family.

Not at all. It's simply another source of information that they themselves have made available to the general public.

Don't put anything on the Internet about yourself or family if you want it kept private. If you do post, lock it down.

Basically, it's of their own making.

corner of hells · 01-02-2018 12:32pm

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

Not at all. It's simply another source of information that they themselves have made available to the general public.

Don't put anything on the Internet about yourself or family if you want it kept private. If you do post, lock it down.

Basically, it's of their own making.

For the life of me , I couldn't imagine why you'd want to look at the Facebook profiles of dead people and their families.

Omackeral · 01-02-2018 12:35pm

corner of hells wrote: »

For the life of me , I couldn't imagine why you'd want to look at the Facebook profiles of dead people and their families.

Morbid curiosity tbh I'd imagine. We're curious beings. Some people simply have an interest in things like this and that's how Paul Williams and the papers like the Sunday World are kept in business.

the sheriff is HERE · 01-02-2018 12:36pm

benny79 wrote: »

Aren't all the getaway vehicles found partially burnt out! :rolleyes:

partially means not burn completely, evidence can be got, like that guy howard left dna on a mask and good garda work got him done for the hit on barr.

corner of hells wrote: »

Kinda morbid stalking that family.

i didnt name anyone i got from even though i was asked by a poster, ive posted a few times lock up their social media accounts and pictures.

baylah17 · 01-02-2018 12:41pm

the sheriff is HERE wrote: »

partially means not burn completely, evidence can be got, like that guy howard left dna on a mask and good garda work got him done for the hit on barr.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/sunset-house-attacker-jailed-for-life-for-murder-of-pub-manager-1.3372430

The individual convicted in the Barr case is named Eamonn Cumberton, who be this Howard?

Suckit · 01-02-2018 1:27pm

humberklog wrote: »

Derek "Del Boy" Hutch is still alive and in prison.

Derek Coakley Hutch was only called Del.

That's what i thought, until i saw DelBoy on a 'in loving memory' card on the photographs in the paper. https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/derek-hutch-funeral-murder-dublin-11945434

baylah17 wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/sunset-house-attacker-jailed-for-life-for-murder-of-pub-manager-1.3372430

The individual convicted in the Barr case is named Eamonn Cumberton, who be this Howard?

He was also suspected of attempting to murder Gerry in Lanzarote, when Gerry got away.

Gadgetman496 · 01-02-2018 1:29pm

Is Gerry still in Lanzarote?

BattleCorp · 01-02-2018 1:32pm

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

Is Gerry still in Lanzarote?

Not sure Mr. Kinahan.

Gadgetman496 · 01-02-2018 1:34pm

BattleCorp wrote: »

Not sure Mr. Kinahan.

Tumbled God Damn it!

Suckit · 01-02-2018 1:54pm

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/feud-killer-carried-out-sunset-house-execution-to-clear-kinahan-drug-debt-36545492.html

The convicted gangland killer was also investigated by gardaí over the murders of 'The Monk's' brother Eddie Hutch Snr and Noel 'Kingsize' Duggan, but was never arrested over either killing.

He is believed to be behind them and attempt on Gerry Hutch. He looks 12.

the sheriff is HERE · 01-02-2018 3:36pm

corner of hells wrote: »

For the life of me , I couldn't imagine why you'd want to look at the Facebook profiles of dead people and their families.

if its open, I'll take a gawk. lock them up and their pictures.

Boom_Bap · 01-02-2018 4:03pm

Some posts deleted.

Seriously, you are going to post up details on who you think is a suspect and think that's OK?

This is total speculation, and this is the last warning on this. Any more and you will be banned from the thread at a minimum.

Omackeral · 01-02-2018 4:39pm

Suckit wrote: »

He is believed to be behind them and attempt on Gerry Hutch. He looks 12.

He looks a lot older in this totally-not-photoshopped image from the Sun.

eamoncumb-e1517256984278.jpg?strip=all&w=361&quality=100

rondog · 01-02-2018 5:18pm

<snip> didn't do the killing cos he had a cocaine debt.He was a fitness fanatic and competed in MMA,he also worked in a gym with another one of the K cartel-Ross browning.(all verifiable on the net).
<snip> was just a sadistic nut case from a young age and did it all for the money.

Boom_Bap · 01-02-2018 6:14pm

rondog wrote: »

<snip> didn't do the killing cos he had a cocaine debt.He was a fitness fanatic and competed in MMA,he also worked in a gym with another one of the K cartel-Ross browning.(all verifiable on the net).
<snip> was just a sadistic nut case from a young age and did it all for the money.

don't post in the thread again please.

hatrickpatrick · 01-02-2018 8:04pm

Chrongen wrote: »

Like the McGuire Seven?

I am not talking about internment without trial or diluting the laws around due process, which is what happened in the case of the McGuire Seven and the Guilford Four. I am suggesting that if it can be proven that I, hatrickpatrick, was physically present in a room full of these people when an illegal activity was being planned or carried out, then I should be regarded as a co-conspirator even if they can't prove that I specifically did anything directly. Tear the gang apart by making it illegal to be even part of their support network when they are taking part in illegal activities, thus ensuring that they are made social pariahs and totally abandoned by anyone close to them who is not up for risking jail time by virtue of association.

For instance: If a bunch of these people get convicted, their phones should be forensically examined and if it's discovered that a bunch of them are members of private whatsapp or facebook groups, then anyone else in that group should at the very least now be regarded as somebody under suspicion and subject to court ordered surveillance by the Gardai.

Harsh? Sure! But these are feral scumbags we're talking about here. It is absolutely insane that we have these "feared criminals well known to the Gardai" openly living in Irish society - if you are a "feared criminal well known to the Gardai", you should be in prison. End of.

dinorebel · 01-02-2018 9:39pm

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I am not talking about internment without trial or diluting the laws around due process, which is what happened in the case of the McGuire Seven and the Guilford Four. I am suggesting that if it can be proven that I, hatrickpatrick, was physically present in a room full of these people when an illegal activity was being planned or carried out, then I should be regarded as a co-conspirator even if they can't prove that I specifically did anything directly. Tear the gang apart by making it illegal to be even part of their support network when they are taking part in illegal activities, thus ensuring that they are made social pariahs and totally abandoned by anyone close to them who is not up for risking jail time by virtue of association.

For instance: If a bunch of these people get convicted, their phones should be forensically examined and if it's discovered that a bunch of them are members of private whatsapp or facebook groups, then anyone else in that group should at the very least now be regarded as somebody under suspicion and subject to court ordered surveillance by the Gardai.

Harsh? Sure! But these are feral scumbags we're talking about here. It is absolutely insane that we have these "feared criminals well known to the Gardai" openly living in Irish society - if you are a "feared criminal well known to the Gardai", you should be in prison. End of.

So basically an Irish RICO Act?

hatrickpatrick · 01-02-2018 9:44pm

dinorebel wrote: »

So basically an Irish RICO Act?

I knew the law I was talking about had a name I couldn't remember. Cheers. Something like that is exactly what's needed in Ireland - but as I've said numerous times before, it's all moot unless we somehow force the courts to actually get tough on these people and stop letting them go once they've been convicted.

Thesomersarms · 01-02-2018 9:50pm

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I am not talking about internment without trial or diluting the laws around due process, which is what happened in the case of the McGuire Seven and the Guilford Four. I am suggesting that if it can be proven that I, hatrickpatrick, was physically present in a room full of these people when an illegal activity was being planned or carried out, then I should be regarded as a co-conspirator even if they can't prove that I specifically did anything directly. Tear the gang apart by making it illegal to be even part of their support network when they are taking part in illegal activities, thus ensuring that they are made social pariahs and totally abandoned by anyone close to them who is not up for risking jail time by virtue of association.

For instance: If a bunch of these people get convicted, their phones should be forensically examined and if it's discovered that a bunch of them are members of private whatsapp or facebook groups, then anyone else in that group should at the very least now be regarded as somebody under suspicion and subject to court ordered surveillance by the Gardai.

Harsh? Sure! But these are feral scumbags we're talking about here. It is absolutely insane that we have these "feared criminals well known to the Gardai" openly living in Irish society - if you are a "feared criminal well known to the Gardai", you should be in prison. End of.

Spot on, and no it’s not harsh, it’s exactly what’s required, I’m sick and tired of reading stories, kinahan liutenant spotted either clubbing or out at match etc and nobody can do f all about it, it’s like they are untouchable, yet it’s known by the guards that these guys are the ones ordering murders, its time the judiciary grew a pair of balls and gave the guards powers to lift these guys off the street, don’t wait for them to murder another innocent person, do it now but typical Ireland they’ll wait until a child or a guard is murdered then that might just really get them to put the pressure on and go to town on the kinahans as they once did with gilligans mob but that took a journalist to be murdered, this gang are a menace which shouldn’t be ignored by the state, I feel it will take a great tragedy to get them to really put the boot into the Cartel.

Odelay · 01-02-2018 9:51pm

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I am not talking about internment without trial or diluting the laws around due process, which is what happened in the case of the McGuire Seven and the Guilford Four. I am suggesting that if it can be proven that I, hatrickpatrick, was physically present in a room full of these people when an illegal activity was being planned or carried out, then I should be regarded as a co-conspirator even if they can't prove that I specifically did anything directly. Tear the gang apart by making it illegal to be even part of their support network when they are taking part in illegal activities, thus ensuring that they are made social pariahs and totally abandoned by anyone close to them who is not up for risking jail time by virtue of association.

For instance: If a bunch of these people get convicted, their phones should be forensically examined and if it's discovered that a bunch of them are members of private whatsapp or facebook groups, then anyone else in that group should at the very least now be regarded as somebody under suspicion and subject to court ordered surveillance by the Gardai.

Harsh? Sure! But these are feral scumbags we're talking about here. It is absolutely insane that we have these "feared criminals well known to the Gardai" openly living in Irish society - if you are a "feared criminal well known to the Gardai", you should be in prison. End of.

What if their mammy was on a whatsapp group discussing care of their dad? Should 75 year old mammy be under surveillance?? How do you legislate for that?

hatrickpatrick · 01-02-2018 10:15pm

Odelay wrote: »

What if their mammy was on a whatsapp group discussing care of their dad? Should 75 year old mammy be under surveillance?? How do you legislate for that?

Simple, you introduce a requirement for there to be multiple targeted individuals in the same group before the rest group as a whole is regarded as a list of suspected gang members.

And to be honest, I see no reason why the immediate families of these serious gangland criminals shouldn't be under some kind of surveillance given that they are a natural support network. Make it so as these people end up becoming completely and entirely socially isolated.

I'm not suggesting anything like this for people smoking a few joints or getting involved in a one-off scrap outside a pub, like. I'm suggesting targeting the friends, family and associates of serial, multiple-offences violent criminals only. The kind of person who is regarded by the media as "a feared criminal well known to the Gardai". Most of these people have actual convictions for violent gangland crime - in my honest opinion, what I'm proposing is a runner-up option anyway, I'd much prefer to see consecutive and no-parole style life sentences for the people convicted of directly or indirectly participating in a gangland murder. From acting as a lookout or getaway driver to actually pulling the trigger. Absolute zero tolerance for murder in this manner.

Maybe people regard that as harsh but I certainly don't. "75 year old mammy" in the case of some of these lads is at least somewhat likely to be withholding information which could be of use to the Gardai in pinning down where exactly all of these people were at the time of the offences committed, whether they met beforehand, and whether any of their alibis are complete bullsh!t.

Again, I am not suggesting that we create a massive net like this just for random petty crime, I'm suggesting it specifically for organised, violent crime where there's known to be an "organisation" or "hierarchy" involved. That's a very specific type of case, and as far as I'm concerned in that type of rare and specific type of case, anyone with a known connection to one of these individuals should expect to be the target of surveillance and intelligence gathering operations.

corner of hells · 01-02-2018 10:37pm

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Simple, you introduce a requirement for there to be multiple targeted individuals in the same group before the rest group as a whole is regarded as a list of suspected gang members.

And to be honest, I see no reason why the immediate families of these serious gangland criminals shouldn't be under some kind of surveillance given that they are a natural support network. Make it so as these people end up becoming completely and entirely socially isolated.

I'm not suggesting anything like this for people smoking a few joints or getting involved in a one-off scrap outside a pub, like. I'm suggesting targeting the friends, family and associates of serial, multiple-offences violent criminals only. The kind of person who is regarded by the media as "a feared criminal well known to the Gardai". Most of these people have actual convictions for violent gangland crime - in my honest opinion, what I'm proposing is a runner-up option anyway, I'd much prefer to see consecutive and no-parole style life sentences for the people convicted of directly or indirectly participating in a gangland murder. From acting as a lookout or getaway driver to actually pulling the trigger. Absolute zero tolerance for murder in this manner.

Maybe people regard that as harsh but I certainly don't. "75 year old mammy" in the case of some of these lads is at least somewhat likely to be withholding information which could be of use to the Gardai in pinning down where exactly all of these people were at the time of the offences committed, whether they met beforehand, and whether any of their alibis are complete bullsh!t.

Again, I am not suggesting that we create a massive net like this just for random petty crime, I'm suggesting it specifically for organised, violent crime where there's known to be an "organisation" or "hierarchy" involved. That's a very specific type of case, and as far as I'm concerned in that type of rare and specific type of case, anyone with a known connection to one of these individuals should expect to be the target of surveillance and intelligence gathering operations.

I've a friend who's had two immediate family members die in gang murders , herself , her husband and sons have no association with crime whatsoever.Her husband and herself are both employed full-time and her older son in third level education . I can't see any reason to have her under any surveillance.

hatrickpatrick · 01-02-2018 11:06pm

corner of hells wrote: »

I've a friend who's had two immediate family members die in gang murders , herself , her husband and sons have no association with crime whatsoever.Her husband and herself are both employed full-time and her older son in third level education . I can't see any reason to have her under any surveillance.

Being a victim of a gang and being in a gang are, in fact, entirely different situations.

EDIT: If her husband or one of her kids was a known gang member (not a victim of gangland crime but a participant, just to be clear) than it'd be a totally different story.

corner of hells · 01-02-2018 11:12pm

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Being a victim of a gang and being in a gang are, in fact, entirely different situations.

EDIT: If her husband or one of her kids was a known gang member (not a victim of gangland crime but a participant, just to be clear) than it'd be a totally different story.

Both the dead were gang members.
I knew one of them socially, met him regularly at weddings , birthdays etc so by association I should've been under surveillance ?

#Smokey# · 02-02-2018 8:41am

corner of hells wrote: »

Both the dead were gang members.
I knew one of them socially, met him regularly at weddings , birthdays etc so by association I should've been under surveillance ?

To a certain extent you probably were listed on the pulse system unless they had no reason at all to think you were involved in anything or could be involved in anything. Do you have more than 2 sims? Do you change sim card frequently in 1 phone but the imei stays the same? Do you meet him in 1 to 1 face meets and go for a walk while leaving phones in the car?

If no to all them then you would be ruled out as a person of interest

#Smokey# · 02-02-2018 8:42am

Omackeral wrote: »

He looks a lot older in this totally-not-photoshopped image from the Sun.

That other photo of him with the baby face is from 2002/2003

Are Am Eye · 02-02-2018 9:41am

The banality of evil.

the sheriff is HERE · 02-02-2018 9:47am

http://www.thejournal.ie/hutch-murder-threat-3828358-Feb2018/

"Yesterday, TheJournal.ie reported how specialist units in An Garda Síochána have been authorised to carry out covert surveillance on a number of potential gangland flashpoints this weekend after a ban on overtime was temporarily lifted.

It is understood that tight security will be in place at a boxing event at Citywest on Saturday which will feature five fighters from the formerly Kinahan-linked MTK boxing promotion company.

Armed patrols will be in place around usual hotspots such as, in the north of the city, Sean McDermott Street, Buckingham Street and Summerhill and, in the west, areas like Crumlin and the Liberties."

https://www.thesun.ie/news/2126534/jason-buda-molyneux-who-was-shot-dead-after-returning-from-derek-coakley-hutchs-wake-was-linked-to-five-ruthless-murders/

The weapon used to kill Molyneux — a Swiss made Sphinx handgun rarely used in Ireland — was found in the vehicle.

the gun used and van, bore the hallmark of the kinahans but they are providing other criminal with resources because gardai are everywhere in dublin.

Are Am Eye · 02-02-2018 9:50am

Publicly announcing you are going to carry out a covert surveillance operation.....hmmm?

the sheriff is HERE · 02-02-2018 9:55am

Are Am Eye wrote: »

Publicly announcing you are going to carry out a covert surveillance operation.....hmmm?

i personally think its a great idea, protection of life, yer are all been watched, try to minimize gangland killings.

corner of hells · 02-02-2018 9:56am

Are Am Eye wrote: »

Publicly announcing you are going to carry out a covert surveillance operation.....hmmm?

Erm shhhhh will ya , you're fecking up the thread.

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