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Gangland Shootings [Mod Note in Post #1]

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  • #632
    the sheriff is HERE
    Closed Accounts Posts: 238 ✭✭the sheriff is HERE


    Boom_Bap wrote: »
    What's the mileage? Will swap for a 93 Corolla and a bag of seedless grapes.

    :pac:

    if the Rolla is an xli petrol, we have a deal.


  • #633
    Gadgetman496
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,454 ✭✭✭Gadgetman496


    the sheriff is HERE wrote: »
    was it white? to fit in with the usual MO, used by kinahans

    According to RTE it was white.
    Gardaí at Store Street are also appealing for information on a white Renault van (10 D 126064).

    "Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid."



  • #634
    the sheriff is HERE
    Closed Accounts Posts: 238 ✭✭the sheriff is HERE


    Gadgetman496 wrote: »
    According to RTE it was white.

    thank i got that from the mirror a page or two back.


  • #635
    Suckit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    the sheriff is HERE wrote: »
    thank i got that from the mirror a page or two back.

    When i saw it was blue, it mustn't have been the actual photo. I saw it on a twitter account, as the only other source was the Sun at the time.

    RTE saying he was lured there.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/crime/2018/0131/937220-shooting-molyneaux-dublin/


  • #636
    Wheres Me Jumper?
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭Wheres Me Jumper?


    Reading a lot of the comments on here I think it's fair to say that these events have brutalised a whole swathe of people.
    i accept some guys like to come across as macho and tough but people are losing their lives and we are losing our humanity.
    we might think we are above these events or that we are untouchable, but those are foolish assumptions.


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  • #637
    the sheriff is HERE
    Closed Accounts Posts: 238 ✭✭the sheriff is HERE


    Suckit wrote: »
    When i saw it was blue, it mustn't have been the actual photo. I saw it on a twitter account, as the only other source was the Sun at the time.

    RTE saying he was lured there.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/crime/2018/0131/937220-shooting-molyneaux-dublin/

    i dont ever use RTE as a source, i follow(without following :( ) names of people in the know. RTE never or rarely give any details on anything, thats what we get for a our tv license fee.

    even in the rte link it says a van, a van doesn't have 5 doors, im of the thinking its a van base MPV

    ive been looking at pictures of the van type and MPV type, definitely seems MPV type, i can be corrected on that.


  • #638
    spurious
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,373 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    degsie wrote: »
    Heard a local woman on the radio earlier saying that the Hutch's "are a lovely family" :rolleyes:

    Many of them are. There is a whole section of the family holding down good jobs and having no contact with the police.


  • #639
    Suckit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    It wasn't RTE that said it was blue, it was a photo on twitter, but i can't see whose, as i followed a link that followed a link etc.

    I just posted theRTE thing tat said he was lured to the shooter.


  • #640
    baylah17
    Closed Accounts Posts: 790 ✭✭✭baylah17


    I quoted you directly
    Now I'm asking for facts to back up the claims you made


  • #641
    the sheriff is HERE
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    baylah17 wrote: »
    I quoted you directly
    Now I'm asking for facts to back up the claims you made

    ive made loads of claims, which ones are you looking for facts to back up my claims specifically, i can get you pages upon pages, so if youre specific i can just get you them instead of filling this thread with pages of copyed text.

    here is two links ive quick glanced at.

    https://www.export.gov/article?id=Ireland-Drugs-and-Pharmaceuticals

    http://www.drugsandalcohol.ie/18948/


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  • #642
    the sheriff is HERE
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    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/lifestyle/a-look-into-new-documentary-my-war-on-drugs-825426.html

    My War On Drugs: True Lives airs on TV3 on Wednesday, January 31, at 9pm.

    this program will give people an insight in drug addiction/s.


  • #643
    Assetbacked
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,969 ✭✭✭Assetbacked


    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    So what can the government do about this ?
    The victim had what over 100 convictions is there any other first world country in the world that he would be out on the streets ?
    The judges need to start throwing the book at any drug related crimes, even throw the book at anyone caught with class A drugs on them , name and shame them whatever it takes to make them not go back for more,
    I'm sure the demand would die down if all the middle class people who use these drugs that cause these feuds where made examples off,
    There needs to be something done


    Ultimately it's an issue of the top players being untouchable due to the insulation they have created with laundering systems. As such, extremely intrusive CAB powers is what is required. Almost a carte blanche to investigate and harass on the basis of links to organised crime. Stop the money and you stop the incentive for the criminals.


  • #644
    the sheriff is HERE
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    WTF are the sun doing posting pictures CRISPIN RODWELL - THE SUN DUBLIN of the people carrying Derek's coffin, thats how the kinahans get their information FFS yet block out reg plates.
    the irish independent also has the picture of people carrying derek's coffin.

    where is liam, in Ireland or still in Birmingham?

    where is roe?

    is danial still in dubai?

    where is mcGovern?

    press is totally one sides too, the family is been wiped out.


  • #645
    humberklog
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    the sheriff is HERE wrote: »
    WTF are the sun doing posting pictures CRISPIN RODWELL - THE SUN DUBLIN of the people carrying Derek's coffin, thats how the kinahans get their information FFS yet block out reg plates.
    .

    Do you really think that's how the Kinehans get their info? Really?
    They wouldn't be going on other information like the fact they've worked with them for years?


  • #646
    Odyssey 2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,065 ✭✭✭✭Odyssey 2005


    Are you seriously saying that the Kinahins are getting their info from the Sun.?:(
    I don't know a lot about them but I'd say they are a little better organised than that.
    As for taking pics of who is or isn't carrying the coffin,that's their prerogative to take all the pics they want,you don't have to like or agree with it but hey ho!


  • #647
    Odyssey 2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,065 ✭✭✭✭Odyssey 2005


    Was listening to some councillor from the area on a few stations today and he was at pains to reiterate that it wasn't a feud,it is an annihilation. Poor lad is in denial. Yet he kept referring to it as a feud :(


  • #648
    humberklog
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    Odyssey 2005 wrote: »
    Was listening to some councillor from the area on a few stations today and he was at pains to reiterate that it wasn't a feud,it is an annihilation. Poor lad is in denial. Yet he kept referring to it as a feud :(

    Yeah that was Gary Gannon, local social democrat councilor. Funny enough his brother bought the Sunset House after Barr was killed. Think it's called The Brendan Behan now.

    Both brothers are decent sorts.


  • #649
    the sheriff is HERE
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    humberklog wrote: »
    Do you really think that's how the Kinehans get their info? Really?
    They wouldn't be going on other information like the fact they've worked with them for years?

    thats a very vaild point, im not from dublin, i know all names, even the two front guys carrying the coffin and most of the females from independent pictures (from Facebook) but again this family is been wiped out, nothing about where the kinahans are or liam or roe or mcgovern.

    please people under threat lock up yer Facebook account protect your pictures same for Instagram snapchat any soical media accounts.
    Odyssey 2005 wrote: »
    Are you seriously saying that the Kinahins are getting their info from the Sun.?:(
    I don't know a lot about them but I'd say they are a little better organised than that.
    As for taking pics of who is or isn't carrying the coffin,that's their prerogative to take all the pics they want,you don't have to like or agree with it but hey ho!

    im serious, i never said they get it all from the press, but still is a vaild, point, if the press are blocking reg plates.

    all HUTCHES are under threat here guys and girls


  • #650
    Thesomersarms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 141 ✭✭Thesomersarms


    Couple of things that have puzzled me about the ongoing feud, one, I get that the ‘head’ or ‘heads’ are in a foreign haven which prohibits the police from extradition however it appears that other key members are either here or are back and forth to uk for matches etc, how have they not been lifted and held as in the dogs in the street seem to know who’s driving this, a very close relative of a victim being one, I know evidence is required however are there are no emergency powers the police can use to lift someone if the guards are satisfied that they are involved, such as what happened with ira in days gone by?

    The Second thing that really puzzles me is how with all the scrutiny from gardai on kinahan gang members are the orders with intel on victims still getting through to hitmen to carry out murders and presumably pick up a cash fee, not to go all wire on this but are they using some sort of code to pass the information onto would be hitmen? Hitmen which seem to be in good supply for them. Or is it a case that an open contract was put out since regency on members of one family for anyone willing to take up the contract and act on their own initiative?


  • #651
    the sheriff is HERE
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    Thesomersarms wrote: »
    Couple of things that have puzzled me about the ongoing feud, one, I get that the ‘head’ or ‘heads’ are in a foreign haven which prohibits the police from extradition however it appears that other key members are either here or are back and forth to uk for matches etc, how have they not been lifted and held as in the dogs in the street seem to know who’s driving this, a very close relative of a victim being one, I know evidence is required however are there are no emergency powers the police can use to lift someone if the guards are satisfied that they are involved, such as what happened with ira in days gone by?

    a female too is hell bent on revenge , i was wondering that myself, how can they be so flash with watches cars but theyre connected to legit business people too, they're using disposable people (to them) who owes them debts.
    Thesomersarms wrote: »
    The Second thing that really puzzles me is how with all the scrutiny from gardai on kinahan gang members are the orders with intel on victims still getting through to hitmen to carry out murders and presumably pick up a cash fee, not to go all wire on this but are they using some sort of code to pass the information onto would be hitmen? Hitmen which seem to be in good supply for them. Or is it a case that an open contract was put out since regency on members of one family for anyone willing to take up the contract and act on their own initiative?

    they are using encryption and a personal closed server either in Holland, Canada or Spain. a female was caught coming into dublin Airport with a load of encrypted phone, and the customs and guards had to give them back to her knowing who she was bringing them in for, their money and debts owed to them theyre making vulnerable people do their dirty work.

    i broke up your post to try answer your intriguing questions.


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  • #652
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,719 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Odyssey 2005 wrote: »
    So criminals families are holding the guards to ransom, by threatening not to hold a funeral if another criminal is not brought from prison to see (pay respects ;)) !! These cookers are laughing at the system,even when convicted.
    Could they not just wats app a pic to him on his illegal phone.
    Beggars belief if true. No wonder there's no money for garda resources.

    Don't believe everything you read in the papers.

    Don't believe anything in the Sun.


  • #653
    the sheriff is HERE
    Closed Accounts Posts: 238 ✭✭the sheriff is HERE


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    Don't believe everything you read in the papers.

    Don't believe anything in the Sun.

    youre right, but a crime hack there has very good information, and shouldn't be discounted just because he works for the sun, follow names not papers.

    i certainly believe it.


  • #654
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Ireland needs to make criminal gangs "proscribed organisations" like the terrorist groups during the Troubles, so that anyone with a remote association to any of this sh!t can be jailed for no reason other than being one of them. But I don't think our government have the spine to do this.

    Do we not have any conspiracy law in this country?


  • #655
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,719 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Thesomersarms wrote: »
    Couple of things that have puzzled me about the ongoing feud, one, I get that the ‘head’ or ‘heads’ are in a foreign haven which prohibits the police from extradition however it appears that other key members are either here or are back and forth to uk for matches etc, how have they not been lifted and held as in the dogs in the street seem to know who’s driving this, a very close relative of a victim being one, I know evidence is required however are there are no emergency powers the police can use to lift someone if the guards are satisfied that they are involved, such as what happened with ira in days gone by?
    Interment was the best gift the British gave to the Republicans in Northern Ireland. It turned the community completely against the State into the hands of the paramilitaries.


  • #656
    the sheriff is HERE
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    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    Ireland needs to make criminal gangs "proscribed organisations" like the terrorist groups during the Troubles, so that anyone with a remote association to any of this sh!t can be jailed for no reason other than being one of them. But I don't think our government have the spine to do this.

    Do we not have any conspiracy law in this country?

    i like that idea, but our prisons would be full in a day, if not already full at the moment, whats stopping someone saying he's a gangster to get them locked up?

    i think ireland has a conspiracy or one of joint enterprise law, lets see how that gets on the 2 of February 2018.

    can ireland recind gangsters passports or tell them no youre not allowed in? and pay for a one way ticket to Africa?


  • #657
    Thesomersarms
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    the sheriff is HERE wrote: »
    a female too is hell bent on revenge , i was wondering that myself, how can they be so flash with watches cars but theyre connected to legit business people too, they're using disposable people (to them) who owes them debts.



    they are using encryption and a personal closed server either in Holland, Canada or Spain. a female was caught coming into dublin Airport with a load of encrypted phone, and the customs and guards had to give them back to her knowing who she was bringing them in for, there money and debts owed to them theyre making vulnerable people do their dirty work.

    i broke up your post to try answer you intriguing questions.

    Cheers for reply, so the key lies with the phones they are using, I imagine hack proof, although I wonder with assistance from International police forces such as FBI would the technology possibly exist to get into the phones, im sure with their experience in targeting terror cells etc and criminal outfits that they could possibly have the technology.

    I do think the guards will eventually get a break but there seriously needs to be a hard look at giving them extra powers such as internment etc, unprecedented times calls for unprecedented measures. I find it unbelievable that the likes of the sun can regularly post stories about 4/5 people calling them the leaders of the gang here in Ireland and uk yet they can walk around unimpeded.


  • #658
    Army_of_One
    Closed Accounts Posts: 258 ✭✭Army_of_One


    the sheriff is HERE wrote: »
    WTF are the sun doing posting pictures CRISPIN RODWELL - THE SUN DUBLIN of the people carrying Derek's coffin, thats how the kinahans get their information FFS yet block out reg plates.
    Just because that's where you get your 'info' :rolleyes: doesn't mean the Kinahans get it there.Jesus wept.:rolleyes:

    The fact they are killing and getting away with it would indicate they get good info and get it securely.


  • #659
    pilly
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    Jesus H, this thread is a joke.


  • #660
    Dyr
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    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    Interment was the best gift the British gave to the Republicans in Northern Ireland. It turned the community completely against the State into the hands of the paramilitaries.

    Interesting point is that internment backfired massively for the brits but the irish government used it very successfully a few times because they knew just who they wanted to lift.

    The problem is that Irish governments love bringing in exceptional emergency measures and then making them the norm


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  • #661
    the sheriff is HERE
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    Thesomersarms wrote: »
    Cheers for reply, so the key lies with the phones they are using, I imagine hack proof, although I wonder with assistance from International police forces such as FBI would the technology possibly exist to get into the phones, im sure with their experience in targeting terror cells etc and criminal outfits that they could possibly have the technology.

    a university in Holland and a Israeli company called sunbright (ill check that in a minute) have broken encryption.

    im of the thinking find their server/s and you have everything but they could have multiple servers they've that much money.

    i seen a thing about the guards wanting to speak to Daniel because he can be directly linked to a crim brought in for a hit, maybe the answers are in the gangsters outside ireland.

    cellebrite is the company.

    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.deepdotweb.com/2016/11/08/israeli-security-company-can-crack-iphone-encryption-works-fbi/amp/


    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/phys.org/news/2016-04-dutch-police-encrypted-network.amp

    it doesn't say a uni broke the encryption but point still stands its breakable.


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