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Aoibheann Ni Shuilleabhain Harassment Story

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  • #102
    micosoft
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,367 ✭✭✭micosoft


    Thomas Hudson wrote: »
    Easy lad, it's just banter.

    Yeh. And if it was your sister it wouldn't be so funny. It's time to call out this bull**** because the same lads who think this is funny would lose their mind if it was their sister/daughter/wife.


  • #103
    An Ri rua
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,520 ✭✭✭An Ri rua


    Charles Babbage wrote: »
    There is some truth in this. Because of her profile Ní Shúilleabháin was not in the most vulnerable position. Normally harassment or abuse is carefully directed at vulnerable people, while avoiding anyone who might stand up to the harasser, which is why these characters get away with it for so long. However, it is also notable that even with the prospect of this adverse publicity UCD did not bother acting.

    Or more likely, as another poster hinted, perhaps he has history and has become brazen due to many successes with undergrads. Time will tell.

    He certainly acted like he could not be touched. Gives credence to perhaps having faced off with a powerless HR before.


  • #104
    cannotlogin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,172 ✭✭✭cannotlogin


    The fact that he returned to the hotel the following day have been escorted off the premises by Gardai the first time would absolutely scare the hell out of me.

    To me that is a man with no boundaries, no fear, no respect and completely unpredictable. She must have been terrified.

    He followed her to Cork ffs. The unwanted attention and calling to her office is much harder to prove, people may just consider him socially awkward etc., but this guy was full on creeper. The college didn't do enough on this.


  • #105
    paw patrol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,312 ✭✭✭paw patrol


    LiquidZeb wrote: »
    Why isn't there a men's version of the rose of Tralee then or a male Mary from dungloe?


    Cos nobody would be bothered watching it?


  • #106
    Errashareesh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 572 ✭✭✭Errashareesh


    micosoft wrote: »
    No. No she wouldn't. Rise of incel point of view on boards is a bit worrying tbh.
    I'm being sarcastic. :)

    Look at the post I was replying to. Going on about her being pretentious and seeking attention.

    Plus, what I posted does get said. Quite a lot. It is honestly great to see how this thread hasn't descended into the usual sh1t-show. Because it can make you feel pretty despair filled when you see that stuff in significant quantities on such threads.

    I actually think there's less of that stuff overall on Boards in particular, than there used to be. Five or six years ago it was unbelievable.


  • #107
    LiquidZeb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭LiquidZeb


    cannotlogin wrote: »
    The fact that he returned to the hotel the following day have been escorted off the premises by Gardai the first time would absolutely scare the he'll put of me.

    To be that is a man with no boundaries, no fear, no respect and completely unpredictable. She must have been terrified.

    He followed her to Cork ffs. The unwanted attention and calling to her office is much harder to proof, people may just consider Jim's socially awkward etc., but this guy was full on creeper. The college didn't do enough on this.

    Sexism and misogyny in third level institutions is to blame. These campuses bestow an almost king like ego in male professors and lecturers. They think they have their pick of the litter so to speak. He was rejected and like so many men the only way he could cope was not to and lashed out at the Target of his obsession. This attitude needs to end as this could quickly have become a murder case.


  • #108
    LiquidZeb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭LiquidZeb


    paw patrol wrote: »
    Cos nobody would be bothered watching it?

    Ask yourself why that is.


  • #109
    strandroad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,676 ✭✭✭strandroad


    Errashareesh wrote: »
    Plus, what I posted does get said. Quite a lot. It is honestly great to see how this thread hasn't descended into the usual sh1t-show. Because it can make you feel pretty despair filled when you see that stuff in significant quantities on such threads.

    I actually think there's less of that stuff overall on Boards in particular, than there used to be. Five or six years ago it was unbelievable.

    If the OP was along the lines of "should universities act on harassment or abuse reports outside of Garda process?" the thread would probably descend into "but it's only her word against his!" straight away, even today.


  • #110
    Errashareesh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 572 ✭✭✭Errashareesh


    LiquidZeb wrote: »
    Ask yourself why that is.
    More interest in women than men? And that includes women being interested in the dresses etc.

    I don't think there's a sinister reason for that - just how people are wired. I think the Rose of Tralee is silly but I don't correlate the likes of it with predatory behaviour (and I'm fairly feminist). I think that's just down to some people being pieces of sh1t, whatever their environment.


  • #111
    southstar
    Registered Users Posts: 465 ✭✭southstar


    LiquidZeb wrote: »
    Ask yourself why that is.



    G'wan I give up...


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  • #112
    LiquidZeb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭LiquidZeb


    strandroad wrote: »
    If the OP was along the lines of "should universities act on harassment or abuse reports outside of Garda process?" the thread would probably descend into "but it's only her word against his!" straight away, even today.

    Exactly it's why so many cases, ones even more extreme than this one go unreported. Many women know they're wasting their breath from the start.


  • #113
    LiquidZeb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭LiquidZeb


    southstar wrote: »
    G'wan I give up...

    Broader appeal in objectifying women and reducing them to lovely little ladies putting on a show.


  • #114
    paw patrol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,312 ✭✭✭paw patrol


    LiquidZeb wrote: »
    Ask yourself why that is.


    most of the TV audience I'd guess for rose of tralee are women.
    Most men don't like that type of stuff. So I don't get your angle .

    would women watch a male only pageant - the man from arran 2020 perhaps?
    Women love looking at the outfits the hair etc.
    like wtf would a man wear on one of them shows?

    mens' fashion is less expressive and mostly sh1te.



    Who'd want to watch a load of metrosexuals anyway? ask yourself that.
    People watch other stuff with men , like GAA etc..

    I;m aware a lot of this is stereotype but they are true over a large population.


  • #115
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    An Ri rua wrote: »
    I'm just surprised that society has gone so soft that there weren't numerous acquaintances and friends, or friends of friends, who would hear of the awful torture she was going through, know of where it happened in their own family or circle but they were too young to remedy it, and simply get on with it and resolve the problem.
    People are far too namby pamby these days. Surely someone could have befriended him and taken him for a pint up the Dublin Mountains for a chat? The fauna, the heather,the bogholes, the open space, sure it would clear his head wonderfully and then back for a pint to copper fasten the understanding.

    No, no, I'm not suggesting violence. Sure that's reprehensible.

    I agree with you. If the action was not forthcoming through the proper channels, and if it was someone close to me I'd have no hesitation in bringing the assailant for a drive as a scare. I'm fairly sure a few buddies would get involved aswell.

    As I mentioned at the start of the thread, I had an issue like this before with an ex being stalked which went on for a month. The fear was something else and the guards didn't really want to listen. Thankfully it went away.

    If it lasted two years I would probably have killed the freak.


  • #116
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,257 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Can we stop talking about the Rose of Tralee?

    It has about as much bearing here as an Irish Dancing competition she might have entered in 1992 or if she went to Oxegen in 2001!


  • #117
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,257 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    An Ri rua wrote: »
    Surely someone could have befriended him and taken him for a pint up the Dublin Mountains for a chat? The fauna, the heather,the bogholes, the open space, sure it would clear his head wonderfully and then back for a pint to copper fasten the understanding.

    If it was my sister i'd definitely have brought him for a pint alright! Wouldn't be the last liquid meal he was having either!


  • #118
    StevenToast
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,679 ✭✭✭StevenToast


    TheValeyard wrote: »
    Holy fcuk it sounds like something out of Cape Fear. That poor woman. How she stayed sane in all that ill never know.

    Yes, i agree...how could you stay sane dating ryan tubridy

    "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining." - Fletcher



  • #119
    ThewhiteJesus
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,714 ✭✭✭ThewhiteJesus


    StevenToast wrote: »
    Yes, i agree...how could you stay sane dating ryan tubridy

    Well it kept her in the limelight as i'm sure most people had never heard of her before, or after until this.
    I'm sure we'll see her ALOT over the coming weeks now though


  • #120
    Gregor Samsa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,090 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    StevenToast wrote: »
    Yes, i agree...how could you stay sane dating ryan tubridy

    -10 points. You can't use the same joke twice in the one thread.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=114542296&postcount=50


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  • #121
    irishblessing
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 962 ✭✭✭irishblessing


    An Ri rua wrote: »
    I'm just surprised that society has gone so soft that there weren't numerous acquaintances and friends, or friends of friends, who would hear of the awful torture she was going through, know of where it happened in their own family or circle but they were too young to remedy it, and simply get on with it and resolve the problem.
    People are far too namby pamby these days. Surely someone could have befriended him and taken him for a pint up the Dublin Mountains for a chat? The fauna, the heather,the bogholes, the open space, sure it would clear his head wonderfully and then back for a pint to copper fasten the understanding.

    No, no, I'm not suggesting violence. Sure that's reprehensible.

    People not directly involved/have no experience in something like this often talk a similar big game. However in reality most people are not willing to get involved, think you should sweep it under the carpet, think you're overreacting, think you've "misunderstood" the situation, and worst of all- think it's something women have always gone through and can just keep enduring. They think ruining a man's career or reputation is always a step too far instead of holding him accountable for his own behaviour and consequences.
    Beating the guy up wouldn't have made her feel any better about coming into work the following day. May even escalate things. Of course she'd be worried about retaliation. These kinds of comments, no offence, are short sighted.


  • #122
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    Rose of Tralee is harmless stuff at the end of the summer.

    I could be the odd one out here but I like watching and listening to lovely girls and would rather watch that than Fair City or reruns of Finding Joy or one of the other Huberman vehicles.

    Its been a springboard for a few women now to a career on television, so nothing wrong with it really.


  • #123
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,232 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    LiquidZeb wrote: »
    Sexism and misogyny in third level institutions is to blame. These campuses bestow an almost king like ego in male professors and lecturers. They think they have their pick of the litter so to speak. He was rejected and like so many men the only way he could cope was not to and lashed out at the Target of his obsession. This attitude needs to end as this could quickly have become a murder case.




    Was the bolded bit reported anywhere? I think the original complaint/issue was very strong and serious on its own merits without needing any additional hyperbole. Maybe it was reported. I am open to correction



    From what was reported it painted the impression that he was pestering her and wouldn't take no for an answer even after being told to f-off and being reported to HR - not that he "lashed out"


  • #124
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,677 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    ThewhiteJesus wrote: »
    Well it kept her in the limelight as i'm sure most people had never heard of her before, or after until this.
    I'm sure we'll see her ALOT over the coming weeks now though

    You seem a little irked that a well known person is having her horrific story told..

    She is well known in Ireland. What does it matter? Her story is still very very serious..she absolutely suffered. Does it matter that she is well known?

    This story absolutely will bring this type behaviour to the light..

    It has......and it usually takes someone well known to make these issues become real..heard, listened to.


  • #125
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,257 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    ThewhiteJesus wrote: »
    Well it kept her in the limelight as i'm sure most people had never heard of her before, or after until this.
    I'm sure we'll see her ALOT over the coming weeks now though

    You sound delusional mate! What kind of person would read a story about a woman being harassed for two years and then put the blame on her because she was on two episodes of The Panel in 2002? Pathetic!


  • #126
    Errashareesh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 572 ✭✭✭Errashareesh


    ThewhiteJesus wrote: »
    Well it kept her in the limelight as i'm sure most people had never heard of her before, or after until this.
    I'm sure we'll see her ALOT over the coming weeks now though
    Yeah downplaying her experience because of having some half-baked issue with her... is really not a good look.


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  • #127
    irishblessing
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 962 ✭✭✭irishblessing


    walshb wrote: »
    You seem a little irked that a well known person is having her horrific story told..

    She is well known in Ireland. What does it matter? Her story is still very very serious..she absolutely suffered. Does it matter that she is well known?

    This story absolutely will bring this type behaviour to the light..

    It has......and it usually takes someone well known to make these issues become real..heard, listened to.

    Totally agreed, and fair play to her- she has gotten some positive change to come from it. Hopefully she saved someone else from enduring what she had to.

    UCD President Professor Andrew Deeks has apologised to assistant professor Aoibhinn Ní Shúilleabháin and said the college is implementing a range of new and revised measures to address harassment in the workplace.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2020/0906/1163575-aoibhinn-ni-shuilleabhain/


  • #128
    IAMAMORON
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON


    HR across the board should have better procedures in place to help staff being harassed. It is such an edgy subject however and most workplaces are terrified of broaching it.

    But everyone knows the difference between " I like your hair it really suits you" to " crikey Melinda, you luck sooooo sexy in that skirt, mmmmm" .

    For starters.

    Regrettably the way things are going the days of casual flattery are over. Which is a pity. It is always a classic " Miss Moneypenny" scenario, some women want the flirting banter off certain staff members and yet do not want it off others. The very nature of it means that as a rule staff should be not bothering with it at all. Just get on with your jobs and your work. If you want to have a flirt find somewhere else to do it.

    I have seen it work in other ways also. Groups of women in work can be lethal when they get going, you are into gang politics then. I was at the wrong end of it for a few years, very nasty all things considered and very undeserved.


  • #129
    southstar
    Registered Users Posts: 465 ✭✭southstar


    LiquidZeb wrote: »
    Broader appeal in objectifying women and reducing them to lovely little ladies putting on a show.



    Ye do a fair job in objectifying yourself... judges audience and participants...almost dirty dim aul yokels..but that's all allowed in your entitled bubble..must feel great in there


  • #130
    Gregor Samsa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,090 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    irishblessing wrote: »
    People not directly involved/have no experience in something like this often talk a similar big game. However in reality most people are not willing to get involved, think you should sweep it under the carpet, think you're overreacting, think you've "misunderstood" the situation, and worst of all- think it's something women have always gone through and can just keep enduring. They think ruining a man's career or reputation is always a step too far instead of holding him accountable for his own behaviour and consequences.

    This is so true. I won't go into the details, but I once had to phone a paedophile relative to warn him not to attend family events (no violence was threatened), so that one of his (grown up) victims could attend them without having to deal with the recurring nightmare of him turning up at them.

    When other family members found out, their reaction was "You can't do that! You can't stop him from going to family events!" instead of shunning him, even though they knew what he had done. These would be people who would regularly talk the tough talk about what they'd do to someone if they could get their hands on them, and yet when it presented itself right in their family, they couldn't even support the fact that he shouldn't show up to a child's birthday party.


  • #131
    rosser44
    Registered Users Posts: 571 ✭✭✭rosser44


    ThewhiteJesus wrote: »
    Well it kept her in the limelight as i'm sure most people had never heard of her before, or after until this.
    I'm sure we'll see her ALOT over the coming weeks now though

    You really should talk to someone about your anger issues with women before we're reading about you in the paper


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  • #132
    LiquidZeb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭LiquidZeb


    Donald Trump wrote: »
    Was the bolded bit reported anywhere? I think the original complaint/issue was very strong and serious on its own merits without needing any additional hyperbole. Maybe it was reported. I am open to correction



    From what was reported it painted the impression that he was pestering her and wouldn't take no for an answer even after being told to f-off and being reported to HR - not that he "lashed out"

    I don't mean lash out physically I mean emotionally. He was clearly obsessed with her though the ****ing creep


  • #133
    LiquidZeb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭LiquidZeb


    Gregor Samsa wrote: »
    This is so true. I won't go into the details, but I once had to phone a paedophile relative to warn him not to attend family events (no violence was threatened), so that one of his (grown up) victims could attend them without having to deal with the recurring nightmare of him turning up at them.

    When other family members found out, their reaction was "You can't do that! You can't stop him from going to family events!" instead of shunning him, even though they knew what he had done. These would be people who would regularly talk the tough talk about what they'd do to someone if they could get their hands on them, and yet when it presented itself right in their family, they couldn't even support the fact that he shouldn't show up to a child's birthday party.

    I never put stock in what people say when they say stuff like ' if I met one I'd beat the ****e out of them etc'. It's like if someone gets caught up in a fire or something. They think they'll be the hero, rescuing people and being courageous beyond belief and then they get caught in one and bolt for the exit. It's easy to fantasize, it's another story to have it happen to you. Condolences to your family member.


  • #134
    Mysterypunter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,861 ✭✭✭Mysterypunter


    It's a really depressing case, especially when it's written off as horseplay or a bit of fun. It's the complete opposite, maybe not to a Graham Dwyer level, but I'm sure that weirdo had to start somewhere too. The worst about it is that certain people see this kind of behavior as acceptable. And also that it happens so often in all types of settings. Bad apples exist everywhere, but the law is miles behind on this type of thing.


  • #135
    OscarMIlde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,010 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    strandroad wrote: »
    Showing up at her house or physically touching her would be another level. Not diminishing what she went through of course but there is a lot more that could have happened, not that the institutions care. My friend was stalked by a fellow student she never willingly spoke to. Apart from accosting and propositioning her he would sneak up on her in the corridor when there were leaving lecture halls just to stroke her back and jump away, or he would make friends and blag his way into their student accommodation to put letters through her door and sit in the lobby for her to see him there early morning and late evening. He was doing it for months but she was completely ignored and told to sort it out between themselves so she endured until she graduated, she had to recruit a few friends to help her get to and from places too.

    Not unlike Aoibheann then, who didn't get any meaningful intervention until she sidestepped the University process and went to the guards.


  • #136
    irishblessing
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 962 ✭✭✭irishblessing


    Gregor Samsa wrote: »
    This is so true. I won't go into the details, but I once had to phone a paedophile relative to warn him not to attend family events (no violence was threatened), so that one of his (grown up) victims could attend them without having to deal with the recurring nightmare of him turning up at them.

    When other family members found out, their reaction was "You can't do that! You can't stop him from going to family events!" instead of shunning him, even though they knew what he had done. These would be people who would regularly talk the tough talk about what they'd do to someone if they could get their hands on them, and yet when it presented itself right in their family, they couldn't even support the fact that he shouldn't show up to a child's birthday party.

    Families are desperate altogether and will more often circle the wagons and excuse the behaviour. It's sometimes worse when it happens in families because the victim doesn't have an HR dept to go to. Shunning from the family if the matter isn't dropped is enough to cause huge trauma for taking a stand or silencing a victim.

    Guaranteed this lady at UCD has had to endure even more for speaking out and taking a stand. The judgement, the retelling, and the fear of retaliation. As someone with 2 daughters and a few family members having gone through harassment/assault I hope we can change minds and policy faster. :(


  • #137
    Rubberchikken
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,083 ✭✭✭Rubberchikken


    HR doesn't care in any setting.
    To be willing to be proactive is completely foreign to them.


  • #138
    LiquidZeb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭LiquidZeb


    Mysterypunter wrote: »
    It's a really depressing case, especially when it's written off as horseplay or a bit of fun. It's the complete opposite, maybe not to a Graham Dwyer level, but I'm sure that weirdo had to start somewhere too. The worst about it is that certain people see this kind of behavior as acceptable. And also that it happens so often in all types of settings. Bad apples exist everywhere, but the law is miles behind on this type of thing.

    I think the problem is the stereotype of the creep is some shifty eyed weirdo hanging around the alleyways. In reality it could be the doctor, the teacher, the sports coach, the family member/friend. Right under your nose.


  • #139
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Rubberchikken wrote: »
    HR doesn't care in any setting.
    To be willing to be proactive is completely foreign to them.

    Anyone i've encountered that works in HR is invariably a snake


  • #140
    Errashareesh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 572 ✭✭✭Errashareesh


    southstar wrote: »
    Ye do a fair job in objectifying yourself... judges audience and participants...almost dirty dim aul yokels..but that's all allowed in your entitled bubble..must feel great in there
    I don't think LiquidZeb is a woman but I am. And an old skool feminist.

    Not quite sure about your phrasing but generally I kind of agree. There are very mixed messages in this regard. E.g. that Cardi B video, the tits and arse fest - it's women choosing it. I'm seeing women say it's empowering (it is in its... arse).

    To say that women being on show is entirely down to male demands is inaccurate at best.


  • #141
    Zarco
    Closed Accounts Posts: 112 ✭✭Zarco


    Apologizing publicly was a crass move from the director or the head of UCD


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  • #142
    jmayo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,186 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    circular flexing wrote: »
    I don't think UCD would be abnormal here. Getting rid of tenured professors is almost impossible.

    Once told by foreign lecturer there that they would have to rape a student to be fired.
    Oh and this was female lecturer speaking.

    They couldn't believe how hard it was to fire lecturers in Ireland.
    And this was someone that worked in US and couple of places in Europe.
    golfball37 wrote: »
    NUIG were up to their necks in not treating female employees seriously for years too recently. Is it a problem across the third level sector?

    Hey stop firing shyte at NUIG.
    The case against them was that some female lecturers were not promoted, not that they buried their heads in the sand to outright harassement and stalking.
    And knowing NUIG it is all about politics and connections, male or female.
    suicide_circus wrote: »
    Anyone i've encountered that works in HR is invariably a snake

    A load of people suffer the delusion that HR are there for the employees when everything they ever do is to protect the employer, the management and the connected ones.
    And one normal stance is to bury head in sand hoping problems go away.

    HR are next to useless usually.

    Oh and before anyone dare intimates that UCD HR or anywhere else is an old boys club and protecting guys the majority of HR employees are female in my experience.
    BTW UCD has 3 men and 4 women and all bar 2 are directors of some sort or other.
    By the looks of it they couldn't direct someone to the jacks.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • #143
    LiquidZeb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭LiquidZeb


    Errashareesh wrote: »
    I don't think LiquidZeb is a woman but I am. And an old skool feminist.

    Not quite sure about your phrasing but generally I kind of agree. There are very mixed messages in this regard. E.g. that Cardi B video, the tits and arse fest - it's women choosing it. I'm seeing women say it's empowering (it is in its... arse).

    To say that women being on show is entirely down to male demands is inaccurate at best.

    Just to clarify I'm not a woman. I don't know where the poster you're responding to got that impression from.


  • #144
    Edgware
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    Anyone i've encountered that works in HR is invariably a snake

    Did they see through your dodgy C.V?


  • #145
    Gregor Samsa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,090 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    Anyone i've encountered that works in HR is invariably a snake

    The sole purpose of HR is to protect the company. Anything to do with employee welfare is merely incidental.


  • #146
    Tork
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,457 ✭✭✭Tork


    Zarco wrote: »
    Apologizing publicly was a crass move from the director or the head of UCD

    Crass in what way? I assume some sort of private apology has also been issued to her. This harassment case is such a bad look for UCD's HR dept, they're going to want to kill the story as soon as they can.


  • #147
    two wheels good
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,996 ✭✭✭two wheels good


    Mod,
    I gather you corrected the thread title.
    What about the fadas?
    Come on now. It's the national language . Please make an effort, for the sake of accuracy if nothing else.

    If typing the characters is a problem just cut and paste from a newspaper website.
    Here .. I'll do it for you.

    Aoibhinn Ní Shúilleabháin


  • #148
    Zarco
    Closed Accounts Posts: 112 ✭✭Zarco


    Tork wrote: »
    Crass in what way? I assume some sort of private apology has also been issued to her. This harassment case is such a bad look for UCD's HR dept, they're going to want to kill the story as soon as they can.


    It was told to her that he had apologized

    Before she received the apology


  • #149
    Gregor Samsa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,090 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    Tork wrote: »
    Crass in what way? I assume some sort of private apology has also been issued to her.


    The private apology came after the public apology (according to her tweets). That’s crass.


  • #150
    Wombatman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,337 ✭✭✭Wombatman


    LiquidZeb wrote: »
    Just to clarify I'm not a woman. I don't know where the poster you're responding to got that impression from.

    What difference does it make? Reading this thread you would think the problem is exclusively a 'women's issue'.

    Plenty of men experience unwanted advances, harassment and stalking from work colleagues.


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  • #151
    Zarco
    Closed Accounts Posts: 112 ✭✭Zarco


    Wombatman wrote: »
    What difference does it make? Reading this thread you would think the problem is exclusively a 'women's issue'.

    Plenty of men experience unwanted advances, harassment and stalking from work colleagues.

    I'd say the ratio would be like 100 to 1 female to male


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