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Ashes 17-18

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,068 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,578 ✭✭✭✭KevIRL


    England goosed


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,273 ✭✭✭Gizmo55


    And that’s that. Such a shame to see England collapse like that after working so hard to get back into the match.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,782 ✭✭✭✭padd b1975


    Can't see them getting anything in Perth, all over.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,203 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    The collapse is so familiar :D

    Some positives to take forward? Showed fight to take it to the final day and give themselves a sniff after the opening two days I guess.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,365 ✭✭✭Crash Bang Wall


    They cant keep expecting Broad and Anderson to win matches for them.

    Roots conversion from 50s to 100s is shocking.

    The Batting lacks bottle, they make it look easy against poor Bowling attacks, but regularly fall apart against quality, instaed of digging it out.

    If you take out Roots 67, and Overton and Woakes in the first Innings, the scoring was terrible


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,596 ✭✭✭threein99


    England have not won in Perth since 1978, this will be tied up by Christmas.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,283 ✭✭✭dinorebel


    It's the hope that kills you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    They cant keep expecting Broad and Anderson to win matches for them.

    Roots conversion from 50s to 100s is shocking.

    The Batting lacks bottle, they make it look easy against poor Bowling attacks, but regularly fall apart against quality, instaed of digging it out.

    If you take out Roots 67, and Overton and Woakes in the first Innings, the scoring was terrible


    It's the one thing that sets himself apart from Kohli and Smith. Smith is pretty much 50:50 to convert. Kohli has a conversation rate of 15 fifties and 20 ton+ scores.

    Root will likely end his career with 50+ average and may even be considered England's greatest ever batsman but he just seems that one notch below the other 2. A bit like everyone versus Messi/Ronaldo.


  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 77,520 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    padd b1975 wrote: »
    Can't see them getting anything in Perth, all over.
    It's looking bad, but equally this England team have shown they have the talent. Yes it's 40 years since they won there, but you could also look at it as a case of a win is long overdue. Equally in this day and age many more Tests are producing positive results. Who knows Perth could be decided by the toss of the coin

    If they can get the upper hand and win at the WACA we could well be set up for an exciting couple of tests over XMas and the New Year


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,068 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    Beasty wrote: »
    It's looking bad, but equally this England team have shown they have the talent. Yes it's 40 years since they won there, but you could also look at it as a case of a win is long overdue. Equally in this day and age many more Tests are producing positive results. Who knows Perth could be decided by the toss of the coin

    If they can get the upper hand and win at the WACA we could well be set up for an exciting couple of tests over XMas and the New Year

    Never has a glass been more half full. (if that were possible) It'd be lovely if it panned out like that but I'm more in the two hopes school of thinking.

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,273 ✭✭✭Gizmo55


    Lyon’s record on the next three pitches, particuarly the last two isn’t great, that’ll make a difference.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,428 ✭✭✭MrKingsley


    Gizmo55 wrote: »
    Lyon’s record on the next three pitches, particuarly the last two isn’t great, that’ll make a difference.

    Possibly but I imagine when he gets to bowl at a load of lefties thatll improve.

    I hope England switch Bairstow back with Ali and tell him to go and attack Lyon in the middle order. Maybe dent his confidence a little.

    Whilst he has been bowling very well all the English players at just blocking in the crease to him non-stop. That just allows him to get into a rhythm and wheel away from one end.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,203 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    Looking forward to seeing Mitch Marsh come in for the next Test. Handscomb will surely be the one to make way, I'd put him in at 6 personally, he is in good touch with the bat. Be nice to be able to have a bit of back up for the seamers too, Lyon probably won't have as much success on a WACA surface.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,203 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    In most parts of the world pouring a pint over Jimmy Andersons head would be seen as a the right thing to do whatever the circumstance :)

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,068 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    In most parts of the world pouring a pint over Jimmy Andersons head would be seen as a the right thing to do whatever the circumstance :)

    Duckett's been scapegoated. Apparently there were several other players doing exactly the same thing. Fupp em, England's loss is Northants gain.

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,203 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    Very foolish as a touring squad in general, literally the first night the curfew was relaxed for!

    I dunno, will obviously have no bearing on the Ashes series itself but another but of bad pr for ECB to be dealing with.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,812 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    It's another unnecessary distraction, imagine being Bayliss having to deal with this crap and the resulting press while you desperately need to focus on the cricket


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,203 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    Moving Bairstow up is a good move imo

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,068 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    Andrew Strauss has left the tour, his wife has been diagnosed with cancer.

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,068 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,203 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    Andrew Strauss has left the tour, his wife has been diagnosed with cancer.

    Could have sworn I heard he left already, after the first Test I thought. Either way, horrible news and hopefully it is a very treatable form and she makes a full recovery.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,068 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    Could have sworn I heard he left already, after the first Test I thought. Either way, horrible news and hopefully it is a very treatable form and she makes a full recovery.

    He flew home after the 2nd test and isn't coming back. Yeah, dreadful news, hopefully she'll be OK.

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,203 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell



    Despicable if true, cricket is rife with it unfortunately but I did like to pretend the Ashes were played straight.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,578 ✭✭✭✭KevIRL


    162/4 England. No collapse but nothing to get too excited about either. Stoneman wicket was a dodgy one.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,691 ✭✭✭s3rtvdbwfj81ch


    KevIRL wrote: »
    162/4 England. No collapse but nothing to get too excited about either. Stoneman wicket was a dodgy one.

    just over 2 hours later and they look good now, 246/4 and Malan on course for a century.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,691 ✭✭✭s3rtvdbwfj81ch


    Malan on course for a century.

    Oh my god, dropped on the first delivery with a new ball.

    :P


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,906 ✭✭✭Barney92


    Excellent session for England. Barring the first couple of overs with the new ball Bairstow and Malan looked really solid and applied themselves throughout. Great to see to be honest.

    Set up very well for the match now. If they can add on 150+ tomorrow theyll have a great chance of getting themselves back into the series


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,203 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    KevIRL wrote: »
    162/4 England. No collapse but nothing to get too excited about either. Stoneman wicket was a dodgy one.

    Nothing dodgy at all :confused:

    Clearer and clearer with each replay. Good day for England, Bairstow moving up has to be seen as a successful move too with the partnership.

    They may not actually lose this Test match!

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,578 ✭✭✭✭KevIRL


    Some stuff this partnership


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,578 ✭✭✭✭KevIRL


    KevIRL wrote: »
    Some stuff this partnership

    Solid jinxing. Malan out


  • Registered Users Posts: 758 ✭✭✭Somedaythefire


    KevIRL wrote: »
    Solid jinxing. Malan out

    Good lad. About time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,578 ✭✭✭✭KevIRL


    Fair old collapse from the tail as England make 403

    Warner gone for Australia already


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,578 ✭✭✭✭KevIRL


    6 wickets in 51 balls for 35 runs


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,578 ✭✭✭✭KevIRL


    Both openers out for Australia 55/2. Smith to the crease. If England can get him today they'll fancy keeping Australia to a v low score


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,578 ✭✭✭✭KevIRL


    Smith gonna Smith.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,203 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    203/3 at close. Australias day, but England well in this match after giving themselves a chance with runs on the board (even allowing for the collapse)

    Smith will have to start all over again in the morning, which is about the only hope England have of removing him it seems!

    Pretty even after the two days?

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,273 ✭✭✭Gizmo55


    The ball is doing nothing. Aussies on for a big score.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,273 ✭✭✭Gizmo55


    A wicket is badly needed. Scores are even. Aussies only 4 down.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,578 ✭✭✭✭KevIRL


    Pretty embarrassing for England. Australia 218/1 today


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,273 ✭✭✭Gizmo55


    Smith nearly at 200. I’m not trying to jinx him, honestly :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,273 ✭✭✭Gizmo55


    200 for Smith. Fair play.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,578 ✭✭✭✭KevIRL


    Australia look like they could bat into next year here if they wanted


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,578 ✭✭✭✭KevIRL


    Just the 345/1 for Australia today


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    Iconic from Smith, heroic from Marsh. Unbelievable


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,203 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    Well what can you say about that?

    Mitch more than justifying his selection, CO apparently has a cracked rib.

    Smith being Smith

    Took the game away today completely, best England can hope for now is a draw. Got to wonder about the effects this match will have though, both mentally and physically, bowling for so long and getting so little reward.

    Apparently if Jimmy joins the 100 club tomorrow it will be the 8th time in history a team has had 5 bowlers go for tons

    Still a very batting friendly pitch, makes the collapse worse, rain is threatening over the next two days and I'd imagine England will be doing the rain dance tonight to get out of this with a draw!

    150 runs behind already, won't fancy getting put into bat tomorrow evening to try hold on for their lives after two and a half very long days in the field.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,203 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    Smithy broke a few records today also and joined Hayden as the only batsmen to score a thousand runs in 4 consecutive years....hayden out on his own with 5.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,273 ✭✭✭Gizmo55


    At what point should Australia declare and have a bowl at England? This is bound to be a draw imo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,203 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    Australia will declare before or at Tea depending on the run rate and the weather. If Australia can put together a lead of anywhere between 270/300 they will just declare at that point and have a proper rattle at them but they will want to keep them in the field for a good part of the day after being in it toiling all day yesterday and a part of the day before.

    I will say this though, I think on the evidence of the first couple of overs 250 is enough to win here without batting again. Two balls have hit cracks so far, one took a wicket, one was completely unplayable.

    Jimmy broke through in the first over of the day trapping Marsh LBW, pretty plum, only issue may have been height and it was reviewed but went with umpires call, looked a good one tbh.

    Paine joins Smith out there, who has moved with ease to 239 now.

    560/5 becomes 560/6 as I type

    Smith! The big one is gone, on review.

    Given not out, England reviewed it, and it was overturned. There was a couple of sounds and there is no bat on the replay, big big wicket for England

    Anderson again. He was unsure going for the review, the noises I'd say putting him off. Smith played the wrong line as the ball straightened, the pitch certainly has some demons now!

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,203 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    Disaster for Austrlia, Starc run out after calling for a run that was never on. Could have been either of them, Starc sacrificed himself there and England trotted along to remove the bales. Shocking stuff.

    One hell of an over from Anderson

    561/7

    Cummins has batted well this series, he will need to again and Paine needs to take a bit of a leadership role here.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



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