The Ashes 2019

Adamcp898 · 05-08-2019 1:13pm

BOHtox wrote: »

Is that Kumar Sangakkara commentating? Very impressed by him.

Yeah really enjoyed listening to him. Talks about the nuance and intricacies of both batting and keeping but doesn’t need to wait for someone to make a glaring mistake in order to dissect it.

If only they’d take some time away from Athers :pac:

Strumms wrote: »

As regards Lyon, I’ve listened to him being interviewed and seems like quite a nice guy, but I’m no fan of his on field persona.

Which is a massive departure for an Australian cricketer :pac:

Strumms · 05-08-2019 1:34pm

Adamcp898 wrote: »

Yeah really enjoyed listening to him. Talks about the nuance and intricacies of both batting and keeping but doesn’t need to wait for someone to make a glaring mistake in order to dissect it.

If only they’d take some time away from Athers :pac:

Which is a massive departure for an Australian cricketer :pac:

True haha I could say the same about any number of them especially that mid to late 1990s side, they played hard yet fair but occasionally the line was crossed, more often too than other equally as competitive nations.

KevIRL · 05-08-2019 1:47pm

Five down now

Inquitus · 05-08-2019 1:56pm

KevIRL wrote: »

Five down now

Inevitable as I said last night, seen England do this soo many times against the Aussies.

Strumms · 05-08-2019 1:58pm

It’s been a thoroughly interesting and entertaining first test. Australia need about a wicket every 45 minutes from here on in but with England only with five more in reserve.... it’s still advantage Australia...this partnership is massive, if England can get to tea with these two at the crease still intact they will fancy it, another one falls now, it will be difficult.

kmart6 · 05-08-2019 2:07pm

Australia flying now!

KevIRL · 05-08-2019 2:07pm

That's that you would think

Dave0301 · 05-08-2019 2:07pm

Australia have bowled really well today, but England haven't exactly done themselves proud with their batting.

Stokes out now as well! Could struggle to make tea.

y0ssar1an22 · 05-08-2019 2:07pm

7 down now

Strumms · 05-08-2019 2:07pm

Game over, two wickets in two balls 97-7. A total collapse.

KevIRL · 05-08-2019 2:07pm

Can't bate a good old England collapse all the same

Adamcp898 · 05-08-2019 2:12pm

Jonny is lucky that Moeen is ahead of him on the chopping block to go with the standing order of who opens the batting with Alistair Cook

Strumms · 05-08-2019 2:12pm

Dave0301 wrote: »

Australia have bowled really well today, but England haven't exactly done themselves proud with their batting.

Stokes out now as well! Could struggle to make tea.

Watching the English players they just I think played too ULTRA conservatively once they were 3 down. That meant players in and around the bat, line and length, Aussies not having to do much special and the collapse came through bad batting more than GREAT bowling.

Conchir · 05-08-2019 2:51pm

5 for Lyon, great bowling. How many times has he gotten Ali out now?

Dave0301 · 05-08-2019 2:54pm

Conchir wrote: »

5 for Lyon, great bowling. How many times has he gotten Ali out now?

9 according to Sky Sports.

Broad out first ball. Lyon just picking them off now.

Conchir · 05-08-2019 2:54pm

And now he’s on a hat trick! Serious bowling attack by Australia this morning, so clinical.

BarryD2 · 05-08-2019 3:16pm

KevIRL wrote: »

Can't bate a good old England collapse all the same

Big win in the end, at least we can't feel too bad now about capitulating in our last innings

SharpshooterTom · 05-08-2019 3:23pm

England had the Aussies on the ropes on two ocassions.

122-8 in Australia's first innings
282-4 in England's first innings

Should've bowled Aus out for 150, if not at least 200.

Should have scored over 400 heading towards 450 when they were batting.

To be fair England have been very unlucky being a bowler down since the very first morning, and I'm certain had Anderson been fit this match may have had a different outcome.

Plenty of positives for England to take foward though. May have finally found an opener and Broad and Woakes look on superb form.

Happy4all · 05-08-2019 3:26pm

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

England had the Aussies on the ropes on two ocassions.

122-8 in Australia's first innings
282-4 in England's first innings

Should've bowled Aus out for 150, if not at least 200.

Should have scored over 400 heading towards 450 when they were batting.

To be fair England have been very unlucky being a bowler down since the very first morning, and I'm certain had Anderson been fit this match may have had a different outcome.

Plenty of positives for England to take foward though. May have finally found an opener and Broad and Woakes look on superb form.

Very optimistic post..taking positives from that abject display

BarryD2 · 05-08-2019 3:26pm

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

Plenty of positives for England to take foward though. May have finally found an opener and Broad and Woakes look on superb form.

Why did Woakes bowl so little in Aus 2nd innings then? Leaving Broad to toil away.

namloc1980 · 05-08-2019 3:27pm

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

England had the Aussies on the ropes on two ocassions.

122-8 in Australia's first innings
282-4 in England's first innings

Should've bowled Aus out for 150, if not at least 200.

Should have scored over 400 heading towards 450 when they were batting.

To be fair England have been very unlucky being a bowler down since the very first morning, and I'm certain had Anderson been fit this match may have had a different outcome.

Plenty of positives for England to take foward though. May have finally found an opener and Broad and Woakes look on superb form.

Which opener? When they needed Burns to settle in for a long day he was found wanting and Jason Roy isn't a test cricket batsman. England's order is in big trouble.

SharpshooterTom · 05-08-2019 3:28pm

BarryD2 wrote: »

Why did Woakes bowl so little in Aus 2nd innings then? Leaving Broad to toil away.

Because it was a spinners wicket and Moeen screwed it up. Root correctly went to his premier spinner and he didn't deliver.

Australia's premier spinner on the other hand, did.

hawley · 05-08-2019 4:23pm

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

Because it was a spinners wicket and Moeen screwed it up. Root correctly went to his premier spinner and he didn't deliver.

Australia's premier spinner on the other hand, did.

Yet, Pat Cummins took four wickets from 11.3 overs in the second innings. It wasn't a correct decision, because Moeen is playing terribly and Woakes is in pretty decent nick.

SharpshooterTom · 05-08-2019 4:32pm

hawley wrote: »

Yet, Pat Cummins took four wickets from 11.3 overs in the second innings. It wasn't a correct decision, because Moeen is playing terribly and Woakes is in pretty decent nick.

Moeen played terribly in the first innings, but Lyon wasn't great either judging from his first innings.

Moeen's averaged 28 over the past year, the worlds leading wicket taker, even averaged 23 against India in the home series last year.

This was a wicket that was asking for a spinner to win you the game. There wasn't a lot of pace on in the wicket so Root was correct in turning to his premier spinner. It was Moeen's job to get the wickets on a 4th day, not the seamers.

He should've bowled more of Woakes in hindsight rather than say Denly and himself, but its much of muchness, if Moeen wasn't delivering then Australia were always looking a big score. I don't think Woakes bowling another 5-10 overs would've made much difference.

Cummins is one of the fastest bowlers in the world, so he can get more out of dead pitch as oppose to Woakes and Broad who bowl 80-85mph. Both Woakes and Broad were destroyed down under for their lack of pace on those sort of pitches. Its the reason why they lost 4-0.

declanflynn · 05-08-2019 4:34pm

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

England had the Aussies on the ropes on two ocassions.

122-8 in Australia's first innings
282-4 in England's first innings

Should've bowled Aus out for 150, if not at least 200.

Should have scored over 400 heading towards 450 when they were batting.

To be fair England have been very unlucky being a bowler down since the very first morning, and I'm certain had Anderson been fit this match may have had a different outcome.

Plenty of positives for England to take foward though. May have finally found an opener and Broad and Woakes look on superb form.

Positives?

SharpshooterTom · 05-08-2019 4:38pm

declanflynn wrote: »

Positives?

Yeah its a thrashing, but Australia are far from unbeatable. Broad and Woakes if they're given lateral movement will rip into this Australian batting lineup.

Yes Burns went cheaply in the 2nd innings, so he isn't Smith with back to back centuries, but I think England have potentially got a long term opener on their hands.

namloc1980 · 05-08-2019 5:38pm

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

Yeah its a thrashing, but Australia are far from unbeatable. Broad and Woakes if they're given lateral movement will rip into this Australian batting lineup.

Yes Burns went cheaply in the 2nd innings, so he isn't Smith with back to back centuries, but I think England have potentially got a long term opener on their hands.

Not sure to be honest. He has an awkward technique to say the least and in his last 2 test matches has scored 6 & 6 against Ireland and 133 & 11 against Australia. Three poor innings out of 4 not the form you want from an opener.

Richard Hillman · 05-08-2019 6:13pm

Steve Smith is the cricketer of our lifetime

declanflynn · 05-08-2019 6:21pm

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

declanflynn wrote: »

Positives?

Yeah its a thrashing, but Australia are far from unbeatable. Broad and Woakes if they're given lateral movement will rip into this Australian batting lineup.

Yes Burns went cheaply in the 2nd innings, so he isn't Smith with back to back centuries, but I think England have potentially got a long term opener on their hands.

With a poor captain like root Australia will win the ashes in a canter england were lucky to win the world cup and almost lost to ireland, a poor side with no captain they should try an irishman

Strumms · 05-08-2019 6:32pm

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

England had the Aussies on the ropes on two ocassions.

122-8 in Australia's first innings
282-4 in England's first innings

Should've bowled Aus out for 150, if not at least 200.

Should have scored over 400 heading towards 450 when they were batting.

To be fair England have been very unlucky being a bowler down since the very first morning, and I'm certain had Anderson been fit this match may have had a different outcome.

Plenty of positives for England to take foward though. May have finally found an opener and Broad and Woakes look on superb form.

Agreed , not often you see in test match cricket a team find themselves in a potentially winning or certainly non loosing positions and then go on to not even get a draw but loose.

Outside of Broad and Woakes they need another reliable seamer or two and a middle order run accumulation specialist in the mould of Thorpe.

Richard Hillman · 05-08-2019 7:38pm

Root was only made captain because at the time, he was the only player who could guarantee his place in the side.

It was after the disastrous tour of India. Keaton Jennings and Haseeb Hameed had good tours, and they were looking at them as the future test openers.

In the one game of the 4-0 that they didn't lose, Cook was far too Conservative with his declaration and it ended a draw, with England needing 4 wickets. The ECB laid all the blame on the series on Cook. Paul Farbrace rolled himself out in front of the media to say "we'd never strip Cook of the captaincy, he's earned the right to give it up himself", which was basically telling him to stand down.

Root was then appointed Captain despite the fact that he had barely captained any team at any level.

Now England are 1-0 down in the Ashes, have to go to New Zealand, South Africa and Sri Lanka over the winter. Don't be surprised if he isn't captain for next years home series.

So now their options will probably be limited to recently reappointed Vice Captain, Ben Stokes. Who was absolutely shafted by the ECB after the Bristol affair.

StringerBell · 05-08-2019 7:43pm

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

hawley wrote: »

Yet, Pat Cummins took four wickets from 11.3 overs in the second innings. It wasn't a correct decision, because Moeen is playing terribly and Woakes is in pretty decent nick.

Moeen played terribly in the first innings, but Lyon wasn't great either judging from his first innings.

Woah, woah, Gary was very good in the first innings with little to no reward, it was not down to poor play. He was great for the entire test, Cummins was down on pace this test now you mention it...

WishUWereHere · 05-08-2019 8:22pm

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Root was only made captain because at the time, he was the only player who could guarantee his place in the side.

It was after the disastrous tour of India. Keaton Jennings and Haseeb Hameed had good tours, and they were looking at them as the future test openers.

In the one game of the 4-0 that they didn't lose, Cook was far too Conservative with his declaration and it ended a draw, with England needing 4 wickets. The ECB laid all the blame on the series on Cook. Paul Farbrace rolled himself out in front of the media to say "we'd never strip Cook of the captaincy, he's earned the right to give it up himself", which was basically telling him to stand down.

Root was then appointed Captain despite the fact that he had barely captained any team at any level.

Now England are 1-0 down in the Ashes, have to go to New Zealand, South Africa and Sri Lanka over the winter. Don't be surprised if he isn't captain for next years home series.

So now their options will probably be limited to recently reappointed Vice Captain, Ben Stokes. Who was absolutely shafted by the ECB after the Bristol affair.

Aside from SL, they are 2 very tough series. Assuming there are t4ests in both the NZ & RSA tours, I think England might be in serious trouble on both counts.

As as aside, just found out Dale Steyn has retired from Test cricket...sad loss!

BarryD2 · 05-08-2019 8:31pm

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

Because it was a spinners wicket and Moeen screwed it up. Root correctly went to his premier spinner and he didn't deliver.

Australia's premier spinner on the other hand, did.

And wasn't it great to see a spin bowler really dominate with a close cordon of fielders to pick up the spoils - a rare sight in these ODI and T20 times

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

Yeah its a thrashing, but Australia are far from unbeatable. Broad and Woakes if they're given lateral movement will rip into this Australian batting lineup.

Yes Burns went cheaply in the 2nd innings, so he isn't Smith with back to back centuries, but I think England have potentially got a long term opener on their hands.

Every game will be different and the margins can be small, so yes you could see Eng taking any of the next four matches. But on the whole, when you look at that last few days, you'd have to think that the Aussies have got more depth in both pace bowling and more batsmen likely to hit big scores.

SharpshooterTom · 05-08-2019 8:57pm

BarryD2 wrote: »

But on the whole, when you look at that last few days, you'd have to think that the Aussies have got more depth in both pace bowling and more batsmen likely to hit big scores.

Not sure about the batsman outside of Smith and Warner.

Definitely a better bowling attack, although its worth noting English bowlers average significantly better at home than they do away.

Mitchell Starc - 28.20 - 211 wickets
Pat Cummins - 21.64 - 101 wickets
Josh Hazelwood - 27.14 - 164 wickets
James Pattinson - 26.97 - 72 wickets
Peter Siddle - 30.38 - 216 wickets
Nathan Lyon - 31.88 - 352 wickets

James Anderson - 26.94 - 575 wickets
Stuart Broad - 28.79 - 450 wickets
Chris Woakes - 30.82 - 82 wickets
Ben Stokes - 32.18 - 131 wickets
Moeen Ali - 36.60 - 181 wickets

BOHtox · 05-08-2019 11:33pm

You think it will be a different game with Archer in it. Very good bowler, very good with the bat. Offers an extra seamer which England badly missed. Broad looked knackered with all the bowling he did. Woakes did enough with the bat and ball to warrant a place down the order.

Ali was poor and so was the middle order - Denly, Buttler and Bairstow. I wouldn't be surprised if two or three changes in total were made. I've made two here and put Stokes in ahead of Buttler in the order.

1. Burns
2. Roy
3. Root
4. Denly
5. Stokes
6. Buttler
7. Bairstow
8. Woakes
9. Archer
10. Broad
11. Leach

Dave0301 · 06-08-2019 11:25am

Anderson out of the 2nd test, unsurprisingly. They better hope that Archer comes through his match this week unscathed.

Richard Hillman · 07-08-2019 12:04am

I would be half tempted with Curran over Archer for his batting, he's not a bad bowler either.

The toss is massive. If Australia win it and bowl first, they'll rip through the top order, then they are at the out of form middle Order. It will be Woakes to pick up the pieces again. Then you have Curran with his batting.

But then if England win the toss and Joe Root doesn't go bat**** crazy, they bowl first, Woakes and Broad swing the top order and Archer can knock over the lower order with his pace. Plus if its sunny on day 2 and 3, Archers pace will be much handier in good batting conditions.

Strumms · 08-08-2019 7:24pm

Curran is a very good cricketer but a little too medium paced maybe for the quality of opponents. Really they need a specialist bowler over an all rounder, forget comparing batting averages like 16 vs 11... what’s needed is a wicket taker.

BOHtox · 09-08-2019 3:53pm

BOHtox wrote: »

You think it will be a different game with Archer in it. Very good bowler, very good with the bat. Offers an extra seamer which England badly missed. Broad looked knackered with all the bowling he did. Woakes did enough with the bat and ball to warrant a place down the order.

Ali was poor and so was the middle order - Denly, Buttler and Bairstow. I wouldn't be surprised if two or three changes in total were made. I've made two here and put Stokes in ahead of Buttler in the order.

1. Burns
2. Roy
3. Root
4. Denly
5. Stokes
6. Buttler
7. Bairstow
8. Woakes
9. Archer
10. Broad
11. Leach

This is the squad with Sam Curran making up the full 12 man squad.

SharpshooterTom · 13-08-2019 12:57am

Potential washout for Wednesday.

Metoffice has 90% chance of rain from 10am-4pm then down to 50% at 7pm.

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/forecast/gcpvj0v07#?date=2019-08-14

jobeenfitz · 14-08-2019 12:33pm

The draw is looking good.

BOHtox · 14-08-2019 1:07pm

Lots of talk how Sam Curran could come in for either Denly or instead of Leach. England might not opt for a specialised spinner (Denly and Root part time if required) if conditions are predicted to be overcast for the 4 days.

Have they allocated time for making the overs back? Can they bowl 20 overs this evening, if it clears up, and then an extra 10 each day to try get a result?

BarryD2 · 14-08-2019 2:19pm

BOHtox wrote: »

Have they allocated time for making the overs back? Can they bowl 20 overs this evening, if it clears up, and then an extra 10 each day to try get a result?

Sure if Eng collapse again like 1st test, they'll only need 3 days

BOHtox · 14-08-2019 2:50pm

Toss at 3, play due to start at 3:30. Seems fairly dark out. Can they get a full session out of it I wonder

KevIRL · 14-08-2019 3:10pm

3pm toss delayed

riffmongous · 14-08-2019 3:37pm

If Windies - India is on the other channel turn it on, Gayle and Lewis are going mental there

TrueDub · 14-08-2019 3:41pm

BOHtox wrote: »

Have they allocated time for making the overs back? Can they bowl 20 overs this evening, if it clears up, and then an extra 10 each day to try get a result?

Not explicitly. They have an extra 30 mins per day to add on, but as they never bowl a day's full quota of overs, not to mind extra ones, it's immaterial.

Adamcp898 · 14-08-2019 4:05pm

TrueDub wrote: »

Not explicitly. They have an extra 30 mins per day to add on, but as they never bowl a day's full quota of overs, not to mind extra ones, it's immaterial.

They get the extra extra 30 minutes on top of the normal 30 minutes now too afaik.

Mysterypunter · 14-08-2019 4:14pm

Rain should be dropped from test cricket, on the go too long, no variety, just wet and miserable, isn't it time to retire, bad day for anyone hoping to see cricket.

The Ashes 2019

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