The Ashes 2019

Richard Hillman

Root was only made captain because at the time, he was the only player who could guarantee his place in the side.

It was after the disastrous tour of India. Keaton Jennings and Haseeb Hameed had good tours, and they were looking at them as the future test openers.

In the one game of the 4-0 that they didn't lose, Cook was far too Conservative with his declaration and it ended a draw, with England needing 4 wickets. The ECB laid all the blame on the series on Cook. Paul Farbrace rolled himself out in front of the media to say "we'd never strip Cook of the captaincy, he's earned the right to give it up himself", which was basically telling him to stand down.

Root was then appointed Captain despite the fact that he had barely captained any team at any level.

Now England are 1-0 down in the Ashes, have to go to New Zealand, South Africa and Sri Lanka over the winter. Don't be surprised if he isn't captain for next years home series.

So now their options will probably be limited to recently reappointed Vice Captain, Ben Stokes. Who was absolutely shafted by the ECB after the Bristol affair.

StringerBell

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

hawley wrote: »

Yet, Pat Cummins took four wickets from 11.3 overs in the second innings. It wasn't a correct decision, because Moeen is playing terribly and Woakes is in pretty decent nick.

Moeen played terribly in the first innings, but Lyon wasn't great either judging from his first innings.

Woah, woah, Gary was very good in the first innings with little to no reward, it was not down to poor play. He was great for the entire test, Cummins was down on pace this test now you mention it...

WishUWereHere

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Root was only made captain because at the time, he was the only player who could guarantee his place in the side.

It was after the disastrous tour of India. Keaton Jennings and Haseeb Hameed had good tours, and they were looking at them as the future test openers.

In the one game of the 4-0 that they didn't lose, Cook was far too Conservative with his declaration and it ended a draw, with England needing 4 wickets. The ECB laid all the blame on the series on Cook. Paul Farbrace rolled himself out in front of the media to say "we'd never strip Cook of the captaincy, he's earned the right to give it up himself", which was basically telling him to stand down.

Root was then appointed Captain despite the fact that he had barely captained any team at any level.

Now England are 1-0 down in the Ashes, have to go to New Zealand, South Africa and Sri Lanka over the winter. Don't be surprised if he isn't captain for next years home series.

So now their options will probably be limited to recently reappointed Vice Captain, Ben Stokes. Who was absolutely shafted by the ECB after the Bristol affair.

Aside from SL, they are 2 very tough series. Assuming there are t4ests in both the NZ & RSA tours, I think England might be in serious trouble on both counts.

As as aside, just found out Dale Steyn has retired from Test cricket...sad loss!

BarryD2

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

Because it was a spinners wicket and Moeen screwed it up. Root correctly went to his premier spinner and he didn't deliver.

Australia's premier spinner on the other hand, did.

And wasn't it great to see a spin bowler really dominate with a close cordon of fielders to pick up the spoils - a rare sight in these ODI and T20 times

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

Yeah its a thrashing, but Australia are far from unbeatable. Broad and Woakes if they're given lateral movement will rip into this Australian batting lineup.

Yes Burns went cheaply in the 2nd innings, so he isn't Smith with back to back centuries, but I think England have potentially got a long term opener on their hands.

Every game will be different and the margins can be small, so yes you could see Eng taking any of the next four matches. But on the whole, when you look at that last few days, you'd have to think that the Aussies have got more depth in both pace bowling and more batsmen likely to hit big scores.

SharpshooterTom

BarryD2 wrote: »

But on the whole, when you look at that last few days, you'd have to think that the Aussies have got more depth in both pace bowling and more batsmen likely to hit big scores.

Not sure about the batsman outside of Smith and Warner.

Definitely a better bowling attack, although its worth noting English bowlers average significantly better at home than they do away.

Mitchell Starc - 28.20 - 211 wickets
Pat Cummins - 21.64 - 101 wickets
Josh Hazelwood - 27.14 - 164 wickets
James Pattinson - 26.97 - 72 wickets
Peter Siddle - 30.38 - 216 wickets
Nathan Lyon - 31.88 - 352 wickets

James Anderson - 26.94 - 575 wickets
Stuart Broad - 28.79 - 450 wickets
Chris Woakes - 30.82 - 82 wickets
Ben Stokes - 32.18 - 131 wickets
Moeen Ali - 36.60 - 181 wickets

BOHtox

You think it will be a different game with Archer in it. Very good bowler, very good with the bat. Offers an extra seamer which England badly missed. Broad looked knackered with all the bowling he did. Woakes did enough with the bat and ball to warrant a place down the order.

Ali was poor and so was the middle order - Denly, Buttler and Bairstow. I wouldn't be surprised if two or three changes in total were made. I've made two here and put Stokes in ahead of Buttler in the order.

1. Burns
2. Roy
3. Root
4. Denly
5. Stokes
6. Buttler
7. Bairstow
8. Woakes
9. Archer
10. Broad
11. Leach

Dave0301

Anderson out of the 2nd test, unsurprisingly. They better hope that Archer comes through his match this week unscathed.

Richard Hillman

I would be half tempted with Curran over Archer for his batting, he's not a bad bowler either.

The toss is massive. If Australia win it and bowl first, they'll rip through the top order, then they are at the out of form middle Order. It will be Woakes to pick up the pieces again. Then you have Curran with his batting.

But then if England win the toss and Joe Root doesn't go bat**** crazy, they bowl first, Woakes and Broad swing the top order and Archer can knock over the lower order with his pace. Plus if its sunny on day 2 and 3, Archers pace will be much handier in good batting conditions.

Strumms

Curran is a very good cricketer but a little too medium paced maybe for the quality of opponents. Really they need a specialist bowler over an all rounder, forget comparing batting averages like 16 vs 11... what’s needed is a wicket taker.

BOHtox

BOHtox wrote: »

You think it will be a different game with Archer in it. Very good bowler, very good with the bat. Offers an extra seamer which England badly missed. Broad looked knackered with all the bowling he did. Woakes did enough with the bat and ball to warrant a place down the order.

Ali was poor and so was the middle order - Denly, Buttler and Bairstow. I wouldn't be surprised if two or three changes in total were made. I've made two here and put Stokes in ahead of Buttler in the order.

1. Burns
2. Roy
3. Root
4. Denly
5. Stokes
6. Buttler
7. Bairstow
8. Woakes
9. Archer
10. Broad
11. Leach

This is the squad with Sam Curran making up the full 12 man squad.

SharpshooterTom

Potential washout for Wednesday.

Metoffice has 90% chance of rain from 10am-4pm then down to 50% at 7pm.

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/forecast/gcpvj0v07#?date=2019-08-14

jobeenfitz

The draw is looking good.

BOHtox

Lots of talk how Sam Curran could come in for either Denly or instead of Leach. England might not opt for a specialised spinner (Denly and Root part time if required) if conditions are predicted to be overcast for the 4 days.


Have they allocated time for making the overs back? Can they bowl 20 overs this evening, if it clears up, and then an extra 10 each day to try get a result?

BarryD2

BOHtox wrote: »

Have they allocated time for making the overs back? Can they bowl 20 overs this evening, if it clears up, and then an extra 10 each day to try get a result?

Sure if Eng collapse again like 1st test, they'll only need 3 days

BOHtox

Toss at 3, play due to start at 3:30. Seems fairly dark out. Can they get a full session out of it I wonder

KevIRL

3pm toss delayed

riffmongous

If Windies - India is on the other channel turn it on, Gayle and Lewis are going mental there

TrueDub

BOHtox wrote: »

Have they allocated time for making the overs back? Can they bowl 20 overs this evening, if it clears up, and then an extra 10 each day to try get a result?

Not explicitly. They have an extra 30 mins per day to add on, but as they never bowl a day's full quota of overs, not to mind extra ones, it's immaterial.

Adamcp898

TrueDub wrote: »

Not explicitly. They have an extra 30 mins per day to add on, but as they never bowl a day's full quota of overs, not to mind extra ones, it's immaterial.

They get the extra extra 30 minutes on top of the normal 30 minutes now too afaik.

Mysterypunter

Rain should be dropped from test cricket, on the go too long, no variety, just wet and miserable, isn't it time to retire, bad day for anyone hoping to see cricket.

Richard Hillman

Always bowl first at Lords, always

Conchir

Roy looked mighty uncomfortable there.

Hodors Appletart

england none for one

great start for australia

Adamcp898

Had a post written saying I wasn't sure about bowling first on this to be honest but then that happened. Joe Root may as well start opening the batting and be done with it, then find a more capable option at 3/4/5. They couldn't find a capable partner for Alistair Cook all those years so whatever makes them think they're going to suddenly find two opening batsmen.

Anyway, will see after a few overs how the ball is moving but not sure there's going to be much in this pitch until it deteriorates.

Could be another one of these.......... :pac:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osp4Ty9t7mg

Hodors Appletart

root gone now england in real trouble

Conchir

Well stabilised by Burns and Denly, I don't think England can be too disappointed at the moment, given how the day started.

Great catch. Bit disrespectful for Burns not to walk there?

namloc1980

Ward J. Littell wrote: »

Great catch. Bit disrespectful for Burns not to walk there?

At full speed it probably looked like it was dropped at the first attempt.

Great bowling by Cummins in the lead up to that.

liamoreilly

Ward J. Littell wrote: »

Great catch. Bit disrespectful for Burns not to walk there?

...Think it was because he had dropped then re caught it...In fairness , I've absolutely no idea how he managed to catch it a 2nd time like that, unreal...

namloc1980

namloc1980 wrote: »

At full speed it probably looked like it was dropped at the first attempt.

Great bowling by Cummins in the lead up to that.

The catcher had no doubt. Thought the batsmen usually took the fielders at their word in these situations. Or maybe that era is gone!