The Ashes 2019

Adamcp898

BOHtox wrote: »

Is that Kumar Sangakkara commentating? Very impressed by him.

Yeah really enjoyed listening to him. Talks about the nuance and intricacies of both batting and keeping but doesn’t need to wait for someone to make a glaring mistake in order to dissect it.

If only they’d take some time away from Athers :pac:

Strumms wrote: »

As regards Lyon, I’ve listened to him being interviewed and seems like quite a nice guy, but I’m no fan of his on field persona.

Which is a massive departure for an Australian cricketer :pac:

Strumms

Adamcp898 wrote: »

Yeah really enjoyed listening to him. Talks about the nuance and intricacies of both batting and keeping but doesn’t need to wait for someone to make a glaring mistake in order to dissect it.

If only they’d take some time away from Athers :pac:



Which is a massive departure for an Australian cricketer :pac:

True haha I could say the same about any number of them especially that mid to late 1990s side, they played hard yet fair but occasionally the line was crossed, more often too than other equally as competitive nations.

KevIRL

Five down now

Inquitus

KevIRL wrote: »

Five down now

Inevitable as I said last night, seen England do this soo many times against the Aussies.

Strumms

It’s been a thoroughly interesting and entertaining first test. Australia need about a wicket every 45 minutes from here on in but with England only with five more in reserve.... it’s still advantage Australia...this partnership is massive, if England can get to tea with these two at the crease still intact they will fancy it, another one falls now, it will be difficult.

kmart6

Australia flying now!

KevIRL

That's that you would think

y0ssar1an22

7 down now

Dave0301

Australia have bowled really well today, but England haven't exactly done themselves proud with their batting.

Stokes out now as well! Could struggle to make tea.

Strumms

Game over, two wickets in two balls 97-7. A total collapse.

KevIRL

Can't bate a good old England collapse all the same

Adamcp898

Jonny is lucky that Moeen is ahead of him on the chopping block to go with the standing order of who opens the batting with Alistair Cook

Strumms

Dave0301 wrote: »

Australia have bowled really well today, but England haven't exactly done themselves proud with their batting.

Stokes out now as well! Could struggle to make tea.

Watching the English players they just I think played too ULTRA conservatively once they were 3 down. That meant players in and around the bat, line and length, Aussies not having to do much special and the collapse came through bad batting more than GREAT bowling.

Conchir

5 for Lyon, great bowling. How many times has he gotten Ali out now?

Dave0301

Conchir wrote: »

5 for Lyon, great bowling. How many times has he gotten Ali out now?

9 according to Sky Sports.

Broad out first ball. Lyon just picking them off now.

Conchir

And now he’s on a hat trick! Serious bowling attack by Australia this morning, so clinical.

BarryD2

KevIRL wrote: »

Can't bate a good old England collapse all the same

Big win in the end, at least we can't feel too bad now about capitulating in our last innings

SharpshooterTom

England had the Aussies on the ropes on two ocassions.

122-8 in Australia's first innings
282-4 in England's first innings

Should've bowled Aus out for 150, if not at least 200.

Should have scored over 400 heading towards 450 when they were batting.

To be fair England have been very unlucky being a bowler down since the very first morning, and I'm certain had Anderson been fit this match may have had a different outcome.

Plenty of positives for England to take foward though. May have finally found an opener and Broad and Woakes look on superb form.

Happy4all

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

England had the Aussies on the ropes on two ocassions.

122-8 in Australia's first innings
282-4 in England's first innings

Should've bowled Aus out for 150, if not at least 200.

Should have scored over 400 heading towards 450 when they were batting.

To be fair England have been very unlucky being a bowler down since the very first morning, and I'm certain had Anderson been fit this match may have had a different outcome.

Plenty of positives for England to take foward though. May have finally found an opener and Broad and Woakes look on superb form.

Very optimistic post..taking positives from that abject display

BarryD2

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

Plenty of positives for England to take foward though. May have finally found an opener and Broad and Woakes look on superb form.

Why did Woakes bowl so little in Aus 2nd innings then? Leaving Broad to toil away.

namloc1980

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

England had the Aussies on the ropes on two ocassions.

122-8 in Australia's first innings
282-4 in England's first innings

Should've bowled Aus out for 150, if not at least 200.

Should have scored over 400 heading towards 450 when they were batting.

To be fair England have been very unlucky being a bowler down since the very first morning, and I'm certain had Anderson been fit this match may have had a different outcome.

Plenty of positives for England to take foward though. May have finally found an opener and Broad and Woakes look on superb form.

Which opener? When they needed Burns to settle in for a long day he was found wanting and Jason Roy isn't a test cricket batsman. England's order is in big trouble.

SharpshooterTom

BarryD2 wrote: »

Why did Woakes bowl so little in Aus 2nd innings then? Leaving Broad to toil away.

Because it was a spinners wicket and Moeen screwed it up. Root correctly went to his premier spinner and he didn't deliver.

Australia's premier spinner on the other hand, did.

hawley

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

Because it was a spinners wicket and Moeen screwed it up. Root correctly went to his premier spinner and he didn't deliver.

Australia's premier spinner on the other hand, did.

Yet, Pat Cummins took four wickets from 11.3 overs in the second innings. It wasn't a correct decision, because Moeen is playing terribly and Woakes is in pretty decent nick.

SharpshooterTom

hawley wrote: »

Yet, Pat Cummins took four wickets from 11.3 overs in the second innings. It wasn't a correct decision, because Moeen is playing terribly and Woakes is in pretty decent nick.

Moeen played terribly in the first innings, but Lyon wasn't great either judging from his first innings.

Moeen's averaged 28 over the past year, the worlds leading wicket taker, even averaged 23 against India in the home series last year.

This was a wicket that was asking for a spinner to win you the game. There wasn't a lot of pace on in the wicket so Root was correct in turning to his premier spinner. It was Moeen's job to get the wickets on a 4th day, not the seamers.

He should've bowled more of Woakes in hindsight rather than say Denly and himself, but its much of muchness, if Moeen wasn't delivering then Australia were always looking a big score. I don't think Woakes bowling another 5-10 overs would've made much difference.

Cummins is one of the fastest bowlers in the world, so he can get more out of dead pitch as oppose to Woakes and Broad who bowl 80-85mph. Both Woakes and Broad were destroyed down under for their lack of pace on those sort of pitches. Its the reason why they lost 4-0.

declanflynn

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

England had the Aussies on the ropes on two ocassions.

122-8 in Australia's first innings
282-4 in England's first innings

Should've bowled Aus out for 150, if not at least 200.

Should have scored over 400 heading towards 450 when they were batting.

To be fair England have been very unlucky being a bowler down since the very first morning, and I'm certain had Anderson been fit this match may have had a different outcome.

Plenty of positives for England to take foward though. May have finally found an opener and Broad and Woakes look on superb form.

Positives?

SharpshooterTom

declanflynn wrote: »

Positives?

Yeah its a thrashing, but Australia are far from unbeatable. Broad and Woakes if they're given lateral movement will rip into this Australian batting lineup.

Yes Burns went cheaply in the 2nd innings, so he isn't Smith with back to back centuries, but I think England have potentially got a long term opener on their hands.

namloc1980

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

Yeah its a thrashing, but Australia are far from unbeatable. Broad and Woakes if they're given lateral movement will rip into this Australian batting lineup.

Yes Burns went cheaply in the 2nd innings, so he isn't Smith with back to back centuries, but I think England have potentially got a long term opener on their hands.

Not sure to be honest. He has an awkward technique to say the least and in his last 2 test matches has scored 6 & 6 against Ireland and 133 & 11 against Australia. Three poor innings out of 4 not the form you want from an opener.

Richard Hillman

Steve Smith is the cricketer of our lifetime

declanflynn

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

declanflynn wrote: »

Positives?

Yeah its a thrashing, but Australia are far from unbeatable. Broad and Woakes if they're given lateral movement will rip into this Australian batting lineup.

Yes Burns went cheaply in the 2nd innings, so he isn't Smith with back to back centuries, but I think England have potentially got a long term opener on their hands.

With a poor captain like root Australia will win the ashes in a canter england were lucky to win the world cup and almost lost to ireland, a poor side with no captain they should try an irishman

Strumms

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

England had the Aussies on the ropes on two ocassions.

122-8 in Australia's first innings
282-4 in England's first innings

Should've bowled Aus out for 150, if not at least 200.

Should have scored over 400 heading towards 450 when they were batting.

To be fair England have been very unlucky being a bowler down since the very first morning, and I'm certain had Anderson been fit this match may have had a different outcome.

Plenty of positives for England to take foward though. May have finally found an opener and Broad and Woakes look on superb form.

Agreed , not often you see in test match cricket a team find themselves in a potentially winning or certainly non loosing positions and then go on to not even get a draw but loose.

Outside of Broad and Woakes they need another reliable seamer or two and a middle order run accumulation specialist in the mould of Thorpe.