Why did you decide to be vegan (Mod Warning)

Just add them to the ignore list, it's easier. They operate under the veneer of having an honest discourse but are passive aggressive and often take odd potshots, subsequently editing their posts after the fact.

I added gozunda to my ignore list well over a year ago, I can still see he's being quoted though. There's no point in any discussion as it's just responding to cherry picked studies, many of which are behind a paywall so were obviously not even read by the person posting them (not that they'd have the wherewithal to actually analyse them).

I'd understand their modus operandi a bit more if it was just a random injection into a thread born out of boredom just to get a rise out of 'them noisy vegans', but this has literally been going on years and it boggles the mind. For the several thousand posts they've collectively made in this forum, I can't imagine they've changed one opinion on anything. Great use of time.

auspicious wrote: »

I don't know how you got that from what I posted. I was actually saying the opposite. If you can't interpret simple english then there is no point is there? And the fact that you got a like says it all.

Here we go again ...I disagreed with you and you lose the plot.its you who has the problem.
Your resort to insulting me says a lot.

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

In fairness you came out with this zinger early in the thread



In a vegan forum.

Yes I acknowledged that I restated what I meant to say and apologized.i have had worse said to me.

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

In fairness you came out with this zinger early in the thread In a vegan forum.

In fairness Thelonious you came out with "this zinger ' ust five posts in.

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Just another farmer who can't deal with the fact that people don't want to eat their products.

Even though there was no anti-anything comment up till that point. I'd say it would be fair to say the thread went downhill from there.

And that to a young and new poster no less. At least the other poster above you quoted gave an apology....

And you say you're not even vegan?

meggiemegmeg wrote: »

I’m quite sure I’m vegan🀓
Check out that chocolate. It’s gorgeous.

Hi meggiemegmeg welcome to boards

I will. Looking for some pressies for Christmas

KennisWhale wrote: »

Why did I decide to be vegan?

Not strongly for health reasons as the dietary advice to consume wholefoods and hardly any meat and dairy, ideally no processed pork whatsoever, apply to meat eaters and vegans. Maybe if it was for health reasons I would be in better shape!

It's a pretty simple reason; paying for an animal to be slaughtered and butchered is horrific. I have always had a dog growing up, grandparents were dairy and sheep farmers (now just beef), but I never didn't like the animals - I would have always considered myself an animal lover. There is a cognitive dissonance between calling oneself an animal lover yet eating them. I'm not sure what eventually triggered it for me, but I cannot reconcile being an animal lover and eating them at the same time.

Pigs are incredibly smart animals and very cute, harmless creatures. Similarly, I remember feeding the little lambs as I held them in my arms, so cute and beautiful. Completely harmless and affectionate, sentient creatures. It sickens me that people would have them slaughtered just to eat them.

I strongly agree about the wholefoods. Way too much highly processed muck out there being flogged as 'good' for something when its clearly not. Btw the correct term I believe is 'omnivore. I know of no one who eats a solely meat based diet.

Appreciate your opinion - but no slaughter does not have to be 'horrific' - where its properly done and managed. And thats the norm not the exception here imo.

And i agree young animals are 'cute. Biologically all young animals have charactertics which make them so. Billy the lamb will grow up to Billy the ram and I can tell you generally won't get to hold him in your arms and call him cute and cuddley . Ditto Brian the bull and Pete the pig. Are there some exceptions to this rule? Yes there are.

Imo there is absolutely no such thing as 'cognitive dissonance' in relatiion to farm animals. It seems a a term much loved of certain youtube campaigners who make money out of flogging higly edited anti-farming videos. The animals we farm are of specific breeds for a whole range of reasons. We don't generally farm and eat carnivorous species mainly due to feed conversion and biohealth related issues. And yes knowledge and care of the needs and welfare of animals is absolutley necessary in farming

It is notable that few advocates ever mention wild animals and other organisms routinely killed in cultivation. I get it that insects etc aren't as cute and campaigners can't picket wheat fields where animals are macerated in combines. But that said its a notable absence in these campaigns. These too are routinely slaughtered so humans can eat.

Having pets such as a cats or dogs who have a long history as domestic pets is certainly not the same as farming herbivorous herd animals which are managed, fed and looked after to provide food for humans. Even if you wanted to keep billy the bull as a pet - you would face some insurmountable problems doing so in your average house. Not least the issue of being a huge size and sex. Something that the sanctuary which took in benjy the 'gay' bull had to deal with and which led them to castrate him after he was moved there. Is benjy happy now as a 'gay bullock? Is he aware that this was done? Did he 'consent'? Is he happy? All interesting questions imo.

Donkeys years ago ( if Im allowed say that phrase on a vegans forum) someone got to me in school and taught me about free range chicken farms and the cruelty of the lives of battery chickens. I have never eaten a battery chicken egg since.

I also read that frighteningly worrying McDonalds production book ( out the same time as Fast Food Nation) and have barely only eaten McDonalds spiral chips since - never their ‘burgers’. Apparently their potatoes will kill me of cancer too - but I’m able to look past that on the odd occasions I can no longer live without chips.

OP thou I’m not a vegan as I havn’t the patience nor time to limit my life to vegetables and sprouts I do keep an eye out for ethical, organic and freerange producers preferably & if financially possible from small or local businesses. For me, I try and let this lead my purchasing choices.

I have a few very hippy and happy vegan friends none of whom work or have full time jobs and all of whom have extremely copious amounts of disposable cash. They get boxes of organic veg delivered weekly and spend hours brewing & stewing them up in morsels of tasty dinners. They all say its for health reasons and animal welfare - but they all guzzle wine and spirits like its going out of fashion, enjoy their recreational drugs and dress in leather shoes, wear letherjackets and have high end (leather) fashion handbags from BT’s and other. I say nothing as they often feed me and I like their company!

PS I bought vegan ‘icecream’ (Lidl) and vegan ‘chocolate’ for my hrdline vegan friend as a drop by gift in return for (vegetables) dinner and we both agreed they tasted like muck and I would bring Ben &Jerrys and proper chocolate next time!! Seems all vegans are not equal !! But then as O’Casey said, Too Much Sacrifice Can Make A Stone of the Heart.

auspicious wrote: »

Shortsighted stereotypical meanderings are pretty stereotypical here actually. Note to (your)self, must do better.

Have you anything constructive to say ?

JustAThought wrote: »

Donkeys years ago ( if Im allowed say that phrase on a vegans forum) someone got to me in school and taught me about free range chicken farms and the cruelty of the lives of battery chickens. I have never eaten a battery chicken egg since.

Intentionally inflammatory.

I also read that frighteningly worrying McDonalds production book ( out the same time as Fast Food Nation) and have barely only eaten McDonalds spiral chips since - never their ‘burgers’. Apparently their potatoes will kill me of cancer too - but I’m able to look past that on the odd occasions I can no longer live without chips.

Not sure of the relevance but anyway

OP thou I’m not a vegan as I havn’t the patience nor time to limit my life to vegetables and sprouts I do keep an eye out for ethical, organic and freerange producers preferably & if financially possible from small or local businesses. For me, I try and let this lead my purchasing choices.

Again intentionally inflammatory, why specifically call out sprouts or mention 'limiting my life'.

I have a few very hippy and happy vegan friends none of whom work or have time jobs and all of whom have extremely copious amounts of disposable cash. They get boxes of organic veg delivered weekly and spend hours brewing & stewing them up in morsels of tasty dinners. They all say its for health reasons and animal welfare - but they all guzzle wine and spirits like its going out of fashion, enjoy their recreational drugs and dress in leather shoes, wear letherjackets and have high end (leather) fashion handbags from BT’s and other. I say nothing as they often feed me and I like their company!

An anecdotal story about people who buy animal products and are therefore not vegan, nice.

PS I bought vegan ‘icecream’ (Lidl) and vegan ‘chocolate’ for my hrdline vegan friend as a drop by gift in return for (vegetables) dinner and we both agreed they tasted like muck and I would bring Ben &Jerrys and proper chocolate next time!! Seems all vegans are not equal !! But then as O’Casey said, Too Much Sacrifice Can Make A Stone of the Heart.

Another anecdotal story about, you guessed it, someone who isn't vegan

“And when all was said and done the lies a fellow told about himself couldn't probably hold a proverbial candle to the wholesale whoppers other fellows coined about him.”

― James Joyce

richie123 wrote: »

You have no answer and no reply to this post.so just throw out an insult like a child would throw it's toys from a pram.
Donald trump would be proud.insult,shut down delete or walk out.

Some posts aren't worthy of response, to highlight this please see above; this is applicable to just about every post made by the band of Merry Men who thank each others efforts every time without fail. I will leave the definition of veganism at the bottom of this post, it might help you all understand a bit better.

Veganism is the practice of abstaining from the use of animal products, particularly in diet, and an associated philosophy that rejects the commodity status of animals.

Jive - you missed the point of the thread - the queation posed to each reaponder is why are they a vegan. They don’t necessarily subscribe to what your motivations for being a vegan are, nor necessarily to the definition you gave of what a vegan was or what that motivator was or shoupd be for everyone that calls themselves vegan.
I personally know vegans that use beauty products made from natural bee products because they don’t have an issue with that although technically its not properly vegan then, similarilary I know many vegans who could consider themselves proud vegans but who wear clothes and shoes made of animal products, and some who use veganism as a dietary aid but happily wear leather boots, have a leather steeringwheel and interiors on the audi etc.

Everyone is different. Hence the thread question and commonsense agreements.

JustAThought wrote: »

Jive - you missed the point of the thread - the queation posed to each reaponder is why are they a vegan. They don’t necessarily subscribe to what your motivations for being a vegan are, nor necessarily to the definition you gave of what a vegan was or what that motivator was or shoupd be for everyone that calls themselves vegan.
I personally know vegans that use beauty products made from natural bee products because they don’t have an issue with that although technically its not properly vegan then, similarilary I know many vegans who could consider themselves proud vegans but who wear clothes and shoes made of animal products, and some who use veganism as a dietary aid but happily wear leather boots, have a leather steeringwheel and interiors on the audi etc.

Everyone is different. Hence the thread question and commonsense agreements.

Cool man, from one non-meat eating vegan to a meat eating vegan, we’ll have to agree to disagree on the definition of what veganism actually is.

jive wrote: »

Cool man, from one non-meat eating vegan to a meat eating vegan, we’ll have to agree to disagree on the definition of what veganism actually is.

!!!! thanks!! I did say I wasn’t a vegan but that I did have ethical considerations on whether I ate certain animal/food products, or which ones I chose to eat! It dosn’t make me a vegan - but I have a fair amount of non meat eater friends whose animal ethical considerations don’t extend beyond their leather belt & stomach! As we may agree - even within ‘real’ vegans there is a lot of difference in why, what and whatnot.

Peace!! Have a nice windy day! Wouldn’t like to be a bird out in that!

EvanFahy wrote: »

Today I had the privilege of spending the day on a large dairy farm 300+ LU which is run by a young man who is working with Teagasc to make his entire farm very close to carbon neutral in five short years.

Found it very interesting.

What about the methane farts!?
What vegetables did you have for lunch?
How is s/he going to do this given that cows are
alleged
to contribute more to climate warming than the aviation industry?
Has being a farmer put the farmer off eating meat?

I'm glad to see moderation on this thread, so I wish you all well and hope you all can live with each other's beliefs and respect each others way of life. If I offended anyone it was not intentional or personal. So I'm signing out of the thread for good.