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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 954 ✭✭✭mountai


    endacl wrote: »
    While not a medic, I spent a chunk of years working in a medical environment. I refused the annual flu jab. Not for any of the tinfoil hat reasons you insinuate. I chickened out of the injection.

    Simple as that. I was healthy, in good shape, and not at risk of a potential flu infection doing anything more than laying me up for a week (paid). So I chickened out of the jab. Most took the shot. Those that didn't, didn't because they don't like injections.

    Anecdotal, I know, but ordinary.

    Sorry.

    Just as your are entitled to . I salute you , be prepared though .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,353 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    mountai wrote: »
    Just as your are entitled to . I salute you , be prepared though .

    Prepared for what, exactly?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,353 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    that doesnt look like the single piece of paper than mountai is claiming. is there another Pil for gardasil?
    Oops.

    There is indeed. A six pager....

    http://www.medicines.ie/pdfviewer.aspx?isAttachment=true&documentid=11535


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,058 ✭✭✭whoopsadoodles


    This is the page from the booklet which contains link to the PIL.

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    And this is where it takes you.

    https://www.hpra.ie/docs/default-source/vaccine-pils/gardasil-pil.pdf?sfvrsn=8


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,513 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    endacl wrote: »


    Is this the leaflet that the HSE gives out with the HPV vaccine?

    http://www.hse.ie/eng/health/Immunisation/pubinfo/schoolprog/HPV/hpv-fact-sheet.pdf

    It includes the side effects info from the Pil and includes a link to the Pil that you posted. What exactly is being hidden here???


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 954 ✭✭✭mountai


    endacl wrote: »
    https://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/g/gardasil/gardasil_pi.pdf

    Here you go. Just point people at this post.

    We might ridicule you, but we can be helpful too.

    ;)

    Edit: Not a 'single sheet'. A 28 page document. Not the kind of thing that's routinely inserted into information packs. But incredibly easy to find.

    Thanks for your help . Why ridicule me though . You have obviously followed my posts , have I said anything to offend or ridicule you . All I have done is point out the fact that science is an evolutionary process . What is true and accepted today is not always acceptable tomorrow . I had a relation who was a senior manager in a multinational company . During the course of debate the point was put to me " Do you think people would deliberately set out to damage mankind " ? . The concept is unimaginable to me . Then I found out about Vioxx . At the same time as that scandal broke , a company in China we're diluting their infant milk product . Many children were killed . The principal's office that company were executed ( 5 in total I think) . Not one person from Merck was charged . Don't believe me ? JustGoogle it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,736 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    It's also all over the radio: "For more information visit hpv.ie"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,297 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    Larbre34 wrote: »
    A lot of people very certain of themselves here. Which is fine until you consider it will be a generation yet before statistics of true value can be ascertained.

    If a medic / promoter swears in all sincerity that a vaccine is safe to the best of her knowledge and an individual mother similarly swears that her daughter has developed chronic symptoms that she had not displayed in any way before receiving the HPV vaccine, its very hard for an ordinary citizen to disprove either.

    So, it comes down to a parent informing themselves on the subject as much as they possibly can and making a choice. And that is fair enough.

    But remember, how many medical interventions in the last century were deemed perfectly safe, until they weren't. Don't forget as recently as 2014 the rushed flu vaccine Pandemrix was championed by the medical authorities, until studies across a number of western populations confirmed a 1400% higher risk of narcolepsy and its associated nasty effects in child/adolescent populations who received Pandemrix versus those who did not.

    ......and it's stuff like this that sets one's pulse racing - it sounds horrendous but is it?

    ....a 1400% increase is utterly terrifying if the pre-intervention risk was 1 in 100 or even 1 in 1000 - not so much if the historic risk was 1 in 5,000,000.

    And just looking at the data - the risk of developing narcolepsy from Pandenrix was assessed at 1 in 19000 (about 5.26 incidents per 100,000) - just above the estimated the prevalence of narcolepsy in the Irish population which the study acknowledges is likely an underestimate.

    The swine flu it was targeting killed 22 people in Ireland and at one stage was running at a hospitalisation rate of 113.7 per 100,000 for kids aged 0 to 4 and 38.4 per 100,000 for kids aged 5 to 14.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,807 ✭✭✭✭Orion


    mountai wrote: »
    REGRET want all parents to be given FULL information necessary to make INFORMED decisions .
    They have been. Regret just don't accept the information that has been given.
    mountai wrote: »
    I and most of REGRET would never advise Parents not to get their child vaccinated .

    Oh really? What about the links to complete antivax groups and that the founder brags about never vaccinating her children.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,521 ✭✭✭tigger123


    Orion wrote: »
    They have been. Regret just don't accept the information that has been given.



    Oh really? What about the links to complete antivax groups and that the founder brags about never vaccinating her children.

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    She has 5 unvaccinated children, but fear not!!! Her husband is a homeopath.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,893 ✭✭✭Canis Lupus


    Her husband is a homeopath so he was on hand to cure the kids in the event of illness.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,513 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Orion wrote: »
    They have been. Regret just don't accept the information that has been given.



    Oh really? What about the links to complete antivax groups and that the founder brags about never vaccinating her children.

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    any idea what the success rate of homeopathy is against cervical cancer?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,807 ✭✭✭✭Orion


    Who's making 10s of 000s of € from "treating" kids in Regret. But that's just coincidence I'm sure.

    [edit]Just for backup Hans Weitbrecht has stated he's treating 25-30 girls in Regret. At least monthly for 12-18 months. At 120 a pop.

    So lets take best case - 25 * 12 * 120 = €36000
    High end: 30 * 18 * 120 = €64800

    Nice little earner this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,157 ✭✭✭srsly78


    Oh look, Homeopaths are killing people again.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,807 ✭✭✭✭Orion


    any idea what the success rate of homeopathy is against cervical cancer?

    0 in several billion I believe.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,297 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    any idea what the success rate of homeopathy is against cervical cancer?

    Excellent.

    I mean the vast, vast majority of women won't be affected by that terrible disease and they all drink water - so I presume its the Homeopathy that's preventing even more cases from occurring?

    Can you prove otherwise :D:D:D:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,736 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    tigger123 wrote: »
    She has 5 unvaccinated children, but fear not!!! Her husband is a homeopath.

    Must resist urge to walk around Donegal spraying measles germs.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,029 ✭✭✭um7y1h83ge06nx


    On the flu vaccine and medical/healthcare staff. My wife is a HSE Radiographer and gets it every year. I work in IT and my company offers it for free and I take up the offer every year too.

    Anedoctal evidence - no better evidence according to the anti vaccination people.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,297 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    Orion wrote: »
    Who's making 10s of 000s of € from "treating" kids in Regret. But that's just coincidence I'm sure.

    [edit]Just for backup Hans Weitbrecht has stated he's treating 25-30 girls in Regret. At least monthly for 12-18 months. At 120 a pop.

    So lets take best case - 25 * 12 * 120 = €36000
    High end: 30 * 18 * 120 = €64800

    Nice little earner this.

    Yes, but their is the cost of the medication he has to provide them with......

    ......oh, wait :D:D:D:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,807 ✭✭✭✭Orion


    Jawgap wrote: »
    Yes, but their is the cost of the medication he has to provide them with......

    ......oh, wait :D:D:D:D

    I thought water charges were abolished.... :pac:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,518 ✭✭✭✭dudara


    I'm in a group that gets it for free and i dont get it either. The worst that can happen is feeling very unwell for a few days. I'd had real flu before so i know what that feels like. If the flu vaccine was for something that had a high death rate you can be damn sure i would get it.

    I'm in an "at risk" group for flu and my doctor's firm advice is to get the flu vaccine every year. And I have done so for the past many years.

    Except for one year, when I was very busy at work and forgot to get the vaccine. Sod's law, I caught the flu. It was absolutely horrendous. It took at least one week to even start to recover and I lost nearly a stone in weight. Plus my doctor wouldn't allow me back to work for 2 weeks as there were pregnant women in the office.

    I know the flu vaccine isn't 100% guaranteed to prevent you catching flu every year but I will never ever put myself at risk like that again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 954 ✭✭✭mountai


    Glad to bring your attention that indeed the above lady was one of the founder members of REGRET . She , however was excluded from the organisation in December 2015 I believe . Old news , note NOT Fake news!!"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,807 ✭✭✭✭Orion


    mountai wrote: »
    Glad to bring your attention that indeed the above lady was one of the founder members of REGRET . She , however was excluded from the organisation in December 2015 I believe . Old news , note NOT Fake news!!"

    And your point is?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,513 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    dudara wrote: »
    I'm in an "at risk" group for flu and my doctor's firm advice is to get the flu vaccine every year. And I have done so for the past many years.

    Except for one year, when of course I did catch the flu. It was absolutely horrendous. It took at least one week to even start to recover and I lost nearly a stone in weight. Plus my doctor wouldn't allow me back to work for 2 weeks as there were pregnant women in the office.

    I know the flu vaccine isn't 100% guaranteed to prevent you catching flu every year but I will never ever put myself at risk like that again.


    Now you've got me thinking about getting it myself. Like you i'm in an at risk group. I did have flu before and it was absolutely terrible. I was also a lot younger and fitter then. The thought of an injection shouldn't really bother me given i jab my fingers several times a day but somehow it does.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,297 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    mountai wrote: »
    Glad to bring your attention that indeed the above lady was one of the founder members of REGRET . She , however was excluded from the organisation in December 2015 I believe . Old news , note NOT Fake news!!"

    Every Irish organisation ever.......the first item on the agenda?

    The split!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,298 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    A colleagues kid unfortunately got the measles in school recently, her child was vaccinated but some irresponsible fckers evidently wasn't.

    Colleague had to take unplanned leave for 2+ weeks due to there being several pregnant women + husbands with pregnant wives in the office, and even though she was also vaccinated the risk of her being a carrier was too high with potential to infect pregnant women who are incredibly vulnerable.

    That's why you fcking vaccinate your kids


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,807 ✭✭✭✭Orion


    mountai wrote: »
    Glad to bring your attention that indeed the above lady was one of the founder members of REGRET . She , however was excluded from the organisation in December 2015 I believe . Old news , note NOT Fake news!!"
    Just in case you are going to say that Regret are not antivax just because Weitbrecht has left how about Roma Rossborough? She's behind the current Regret drive to badger politicians to perpetuate the nonsense Regret come out with. She's a complete antivax whacko.

    http://www.cease-therapy.com/make-appointment/practitioner//romarosborough
    Cease stands for - I'm not making this up ... "Complete Elimination of Autistic Spectrum Expression". She believes that autism is caused by vaccines as is demonstrated on her site.

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    And a member of Irish Vaccination Awareness - along with its founder Catherine Weitbrecht - who are opposed to all vaccines.
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    So please don't tell me Regret aren't antivax.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,282 ✭✭✭pitifulgod


    In related news, I'm likely to have to go on an immunosuppressant in the long term due to an existing medical condition. This would mean I can't get 'live' vaccines so now I'm in the category of people who really does need other people to maintain herd immunity. I've gotten all the necessary vaccines over the years so please back me up people. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,580 ✭✭✭✭Riesen_Meal


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    Time for a game of...

    Anti Vaxxer Bingo...

    :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,298 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Fieldog wrote: »
    21271300_1651095764914536_3396310752802458386_n.jpg

    Time for a game of...

    Anti Vaxxer Bingo...

    :D

    Can we mark of "Sheeple" if weve gotten "shill"?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,893 ✭✭✭Canis Lupus


    Orion wrote: »
    Just in case you are going to say that Regret are not antivax just because Weitbrecht has left how about Roma Rossborough? She's behind the current Regret drive to badger politicians to perpetuate the nonsense Regret come out with. She's a complete antivax whacko.

    Makes me a bit sad to think of the kids being dragged to these nut jobs to be 'treated'.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,807 ✭✭✭✭Orion


    Oops nearly forgot. Silly me. Roma brought Vaxxed to Ireland. But not antivax ... No way sirree.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,023 ✭✭✭Ashbourne hoop


    tigger123 wrote: »
    She has 5 unvaccinated children, but fear not!!! Her husband is a homeopath.

    I know, it really beggars belief. The HPV vaccine saves lives, its that simple, anything else is unnecessary whataboutery.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,023 ✭✭✭Ashbourne hoop


    any idea what the success rate of homeopathy is against cervical cancer?

    I actually googled that and came across this website https://www.realnatural.org/can-homeopathy-treat-cancer/

    it contains a load of nonsense to be honest including these beauts “There is some evidence that homeopathic treatments are more effective than placebo; however, the strength of this evidence is low because of the low methodological quality of the trials.” and Our analysis of published literature on homeopathy found insufficient evidence to support clinical efficacy of homeopathic therapy in cancer care.” They flesh that out with the usual homeopath nonsense including fairly vague quotes from Moshe Frenkel MD who is described as a internationally recognized expert in integrative oncology.
    https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/integrative-oncology-trojan-horse-quackademic-medicine-or-both/ basically tears integrative oncology apart.

    No would appear to be the answer.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,807 ✭✭✭✭Orion


    Did you actually need to google that? "Can water cure cancer" ... No.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,353 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Makes me a bit sad to think of the kids being dragged to these nut jobs to be 'treated'.

    http://www.cease-therapy.com/cease-therapy/

    Motheroffcukalmighty


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,353 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Orion wrote: »
    Did you actually need to google that? "Can water cure cancer" ... No.

    Withholding of water can. An unfortunate side effect of the treatment is the inadvertant curing of life, though.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,023 ✭✭✭Ashbourne hoop


    Orion wrote: »
    Did you actually need to google that? "Can water cure cancer" ... No.

    I was curious as to what would come up, some mad people out there !!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,023 ✭✭✭Ashbourne hoop


    endacl wrote: »

    I'm genuinely speechless. "Currently we use the 30C, 200C, 1M and 10M potencies to clear out the energetic field of the patient from the imprint of toxic substances or diseases" and "CEASE therapists are trained during a 3 to 5 day course, given by certified CEASE therapy instructors, to guarantee the high quality of treatment and to ensure the correct application of this method. The homeopathic practitioners are only certified as CEASE therapists after having successfully passed the final exam. They will stay in contact with all other CEASE therapists around the world by an interactive forum and will receive supervision"

    Well I'm convinced !!!!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,893 ✭✭✭Canis Lupus


    endacl wrote: »

    ermagherd


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,029 ✭✭✭um7y1h83ge06nx


    A 3 to 5 day course, that's fcuking hilarious. Must be seriously intensive! :-)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,353 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Just read through the 'about autism' and 'successful cases' sections. Am sitting here. Fcuking. Speechless.

    Parasites.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    A 3 to 5 day course, that's fcuking hilarious. Must be seriously intensive! :-)

    They distill all their knowledge into the smallest quantities possible. That way it's more effective.


  • Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,947 Mod ✭✭✭✭Neyite


    A 3 to 5 day course, that's fcuking hilarious. Must be seriously expensive! :-)

    FYP...

    Ever see the Mitchell & Webb Homoeopathy A&E? :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,023 ✭✭✭Ashbourne hoop


    Neyite wrote: »
    FYP...

    Ever see the Mitchell & Webb Homoeopathy A&E? :D

    They have it spot on in fairness

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMGIbOGu8q0


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 954 ✭✭✭mountai


    Up to now I considered it somewhat challenging to be involved in debate with SOME . What I have witnessed in the last number of posts demeans the meaning of "Debate" signing off now , and no loss to anyone ,I know .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,807 ✭✭✭✭Orion


    And there's the usual response I've come to expect from antivaxxers - when presented with evidence retreat. Insists Regret is not antivax but absolutely no response to Roma's involvement so quits.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,282 ✭✭✭pitifulgod


    mountai wrote: »
    Up to now I considered it somewhat challenging to be involved in debate with SOME . What I have witnessed in the last number of posts demeans the meaning of "Debate" signing off now , and no loss to anyone ,I know .

    You have not contributed a single fact to this discussion, you have told us to google it.... If I go to respectable organisations such as the WHO or CDC, they outline why the hpv vaccine is safe and constantly being monitored. So here's some credible sources on why the hpv vaccine is safe. These are facts, you have not utilised facts.
    Are HPV vaccines safe?

    Yes. All three HPV vaccines – Gardasil 9, Gardasil, and Cervarix – are safe, effective, and recommended by CDC. Many studies have looked at the safety of HPV vaccines in the United States. An overview of these studies can be found on the vaccine safety publications page.

    Vaccines, like any medicine, can have side effects. Some people who get an HPV vaccine have no side effects at all. Some people report having mild side effects, like a sore arm from the shot for a day or two. The most common side effects are usually mild and go away on their own.

    https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/vaccines/hpv/hpv-safety-faqs.html

    Human papillomavirus vaccines safety (HPV)

    Extract from report of GACVS meeting of 11-12 December 2013, published in the WHO Weekly Epidemiological Record on 14 February 2014

    GACVS reviewed evidence related to autoimmune disease and the HPV, with a focus on multiple sclerosis (MS). The last review was conducted in June 2013, when the Committee reviewed updated data from the USA, Australia, Japan, and the manufacturers of Cervarix (GlaxoSmithKline) and Gardasil (Merck). With >175 million doses distributed worldwide and more countries offering the vaccine through national immunization programmes, the Committee continued to be reassured by the safety profile of the available products. Serious adverse events that have been reported as potential signals have been investigated in more detail and were not confirmed, including Guillain-Barré syndrome, seizures, stroke, venous thromboembolism, anaphylaxis and other allergic reactions. Surveillance of pregnancy outcomes among women inadvertently vaccinated during pregnancy through spontaneous reports and registries has not detected any adverse outcomes above expected rates.

    While surveillance data and epidemiologic studies on HPV vaccine have remained reassuring, allegations have continued to surface in the media and elsewhere about the safety of the vaccine. Epidemiologic studies before and after licensure showed no increased risk of autoimmune disease, including MS. Since the introduction of HPV vaccines, such diseases have been under particularly careful investigation given their correspondingly high age-specific background incidence.9, 10, 11

    Examples of such studies include a register-based cohort study in Sweden and Finland that included almost 1 million girls aged 10–17 years, among whom almost 300 000 were vaccinated against HPV.12 The study investigated whether vaccination was associated with an increased risk of autoimmune, neurological or thromboembolic events. The study results did not show evidence of any association between exposure to HPV vaccine and autoimmune, neurological, and venous thromboembolic adverse events.

    In the USA, an observational study involving almost 200 000 girls and young women who had received at least 1 dose of HPV vaccine found no increased incidence of 16 investigated autoimmune diseases in the vaccinated compared to the non-vaccinated group.13 The incidence of MS in the vaccinated cohort, for example, was not significantly higher than the non-vaccinated cohort (incidence rate ratio 1.37, 95% confidence interval 0.74–3.20). In a third study, a pooled analysis of data from 11 clinical trials involving nearly 30 000 participants aged >10 years, of which 16 142 received at least 1 dose of Cervarix and 13 811 received either a placebo containing aluminium hydroxide or 1 of 2 different hepatitis A vaccines. No increased risk for the onset of autoimmune diseases after administration of Cervarix was observed in comparison to the control group.14

    The Committee was provided with an overview of cases that were the subject of concern in France. These included one case of MS that had been ajudicated by a French Regional Commission for Conciliation and Compensation. Another 14 cases of MS were reported through regional pharmacovigilance centres and/or the manufacturers to the European Medicines Agency. All 15 cases had been classified as being of “doubtful” causality, according to the French grading system. In addition, the overview from France included results of a cohort study involving 2 million girls aged 12–16 showing a lack of increase in hospitalization rates for autoimmune diseases among those who received the HPV vaccine (2.1/10 000 patients/year) compared to those who did not (2.09/10 000 patients/year).

    In summary, GACVS was presented with a series of cases of adverse events following administration of the HPV vaccine. Multiple studies have demonstrated no increase in risk of autoimmune diseases, including MS, among girls who have received HPV vaccine compared to those who have not. The Committee remains reassured by the safety profile of the vaccine, but noted the importance of continued surveillance and epidemiological investigation with an emphasis on the collection of high quality data; such data are essential for interpretion of any adverse events which may occur following vaccination. Allegations of harm due to vaccination based on incomplete information may lead to unnecessary harm when effective vaccines are not used.
    https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/vaccines/hpv/hpv-safety-faqs.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,298 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    mountai wrote: »
    Up to now I considered it somewhat challenging to be involved in debate with SOME . What I have witnessed in the last number of posts demeans the meaning of "Debate" signing off now , and no loss to anyone ,I know .

    But you aren't debating, people are refuting your claims with facts and statistic's and all you do is come back with hollow arguments based on emotion, others experiences and uneducated opinions.

    When asked for evidence to back these up you claim you don't know how to which is a bit hard to believe and very convenient for you.

    We all know its nothing to do with debating as you obviously haven't a clue how to do that and you are really just pissed and embarrassed that you were so blatantly proven wrong over your claims about the intentions and members of regret


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,885 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Orion wrote: »
    Just in case you are going to say that Regret are not antivax just because Weitbrecht has left how about Roma Rossborough? She's behind the current Regret drive to badger politicians to perpetuate the nonsense Regret come out with. She's a complete antivax whacko.

    So please don't tell me Regret aren't antivax.

    Didn't you read it?! Vaccines are fine, if you just "detoxify" the person afterwards.

    Why can't we just "detoxify" everyone?!

    A good steam sauna and all ailments cured.


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