US Presidential Election 2020 Thread II - Judgement Day(s)

Quin_Dub · 24-11-2020 12:27am

prawnsambo wrote: »

It's just brazen stuff in these court filings in PA. 'We only want to pick through 1.5 million votes and decide which ones to take off Biden's total'.

It's the fact that they are only interested in invalid votes that are for Biden.

Are we to assume that if they find any invalid votes for Trump among this pile they'll ignore them ??

harr · 24-11-2020 12:31am

So the transition has formally begun , trump on Twitter giving Emily Murphy the go ahead and to do what she needs to do.

TomOnBoard · 24-11-2020 12:37am

Is this the closest we're gonna get to a Concession?

Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) tweeted at 11:16 pm on Mon, Nov 23, 2020:
I want to thank Emily Murphy at GSA for her steadfast dedication and loyalty to our Country. She has been harassed, threatened, and abused – and I do not want to see this happen to her, her family, or employees of GSA. Our case STRONGLY continues, we will keep up the good...
(https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1331013907859845121?s=02)

Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) tweeted at 11:16 pm on Mon, Nov 23, 2020:
...fight, and I believe we will prevail! Nevertheless, in the best interest of our Country, I am recommending that Emily and her team do what needs to be done with regard to initial protocols, and have told my team to do the same.
(https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1331013908971261953?s=02)

Frank Bullitt · 24-11-2020 12:43am

https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1331017718447878144

Is that...is that it?

valoren · 24-11-2020 12:48am

The transfer begins. Sounds like a roundabout way of conceding. About bloody time.

Itssoeasy · 24-11-2020 12:51am

Just seem trumps tweet along with the letter earlier. That’s a good as joe Biden and Kamala Harris will get in the ways of trump conceding so I’d take it and run with it.

Quin_Dub · 24-11-2020 1:01am

He'll keep faffing about with the recounts and the PA court case so he can keep his PAC/Personal Piggy bank open a bit longer and then when he is forced to close it after the EC vote he'll make hsi big announcement for his 2024 campaign , allowing him to open a new PAC and keep the donations rolling in.

Him announcing plans for 2024 is the closest anyone will see to an official concession.

MJohnston · 24-11-2020 1:02am

It’s ****ing over! Finally, Election Day has ended.

Trump will now continue to disappear from public view (save for maybe the turkey pardon thing tomorrow) and play golf. He does not give a **** about being President beyond the ego trip.

Gunmonkey · 24-11-2020 1:18am

Quin_Dub wrote: »

It's the fact that they are only interested in invalid votes that are for Biden.

Are we to assume that if they find any invalid votes for Trump among this pile they'll ignore them ??

Oh I would imagine they would trot out some kind of "well the errors in this ballot clearly are due to the fervent passion for elections this person displayed as the filled it in so it should count for.....like.....10 votes now!"

Even then its brazen as hell what they were advocating, did they give a list of what "errors" they were going to invalidate by? I can only imagine it would be the most pathetically pedantic list of errors ever:

"Eh...this person marked this box with an X but one line is longer than the other so technically it doesnt look like the X the ballot asked for...gone!"
"This signature....the pen didnt touch the paper for 3 mm here so this gap means the signature doesnt FULLY match the recorded one...gone!"

namloc1980 · 24-11-2020 1:53am

TomOnBoard wrote: »

Is this the closest we're gonna get to a Concession?

Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) tweeted at 11:16 pm on Mon, Nov 23, 2020:
I want to thank Emily Murphy at GSA for her steadfast dedication and loyalty to our Country. She has been harassed, threatened, and abused – and I do not want to see this happen to her, her family, or employees of GSA. Our case STRONGLY continues, we will keep up the good...
(https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1331013907859845121?s=02)

Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) tweeted at 11:16 pm on Mon, Nov 23, 2020:
...fight, and I believe we will prevail! Nevertheless, in the best interest of our Country, I am recommending that Emily and her team do what needs to be done with regard to initial protocols, and have told my team to do the same.
(https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1331013908971261953?s=02)

No chance Trump wrote those tweets. It looks like the adults have finally told the baby that play time is over and that it's someone elses turn.

maebee · 24-11-2020 1:59am

According to CNN Giuliano admits he's "Exaggerating a bit" as he spouts baseless voter fraud claims.

Another one about to bite the dust.

ExMachina1000 · 24-11-2020 2:07am

namloc1980 wrote: »

No chance Trump wrote those tweets. It looks like the adults have finally told the baby that play time is over and that it's someone elses turn.

You hardly believe someone just took his phone from him and basically decided to make the decision to concede on his behalf.
Fr

MadYaker · 24-11-2020 2:18am

And why couldn't he have said that 2 weeks ago? Such a f*cking joke.

TomOnBoard · 24-11-2020 2:43am

namloc1980 wrote: »

No chance Trump wrote those tweets. It looks like the adults have finally told the baby that play time is over and that it's someone elses turn.

I reckon that many of Donald's tweets over the past few weeks have been written by an aide. Like, he used the word 'egregious' recently! No way is that in his vocabulary!

I suspect that he is actually in a state of deep depression and despair. Post-Covid, steroid withdrawal, a massive personal election loss, etc. all must have blown up his psyche! All that, coupled with the realisation that 2021 is gonna be a legal nightmare for him and his, and he's gonna have to return to life as a former POTUS must be excrutiating for a narcissist like him.

TomOnBoard · 24-11-2020 2:44am

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

You hardly believe someone just took his phone from him and basically decided to make the decision to concede on his behalf.
Fr

Yeah, Jarvanka!

Edit: the message has gone out. Laura Ingraham finally acknowledged a Biden/Harris Presidency on her programme last night...

VinLieger · 24-11-2020 7:32am

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

You hardly believe someone just took his phone from him and basically decided to make the decision to concede on his behalf.
Fr

He may have approved the tweets but theres no way he wrote them.

robinph · 24-11-2020 8:33am

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

You hardly believe someone just took his phone from him and basically decided to make the decision to concede on his behalf.
Fr

The lack of shouting and nobody getting insulted means it obviously wasn't Trumps thumbs that Tweet emerged from.

ExMachina1000 · 24-11-2020 9:36am

robinph wrote: »

The lack of shouting and nobody getting insulted means it obviously wasn't Trumps thumbs that Tweet emerged from.

The content of the tweet. Not the words.
Sigh

24-11-2020 9:41am

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

The content of the tweet. Not the words.
Sigh

Well it's pretty telling when somebody else is tweeting from his account so it's a reasonable suspicion.

ExMachina1000 · 24-11-2020 9:44am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Well it's pretty telling when somebody else is tweeting from his account so it's a reasonable suspicion.

A reasonable suspicion that someone else took his phone and conceded the election against his wishes?

More conspiracy theory than reasonable

TomOnBoard · 24-11-2020 9:47am

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

A reasonable suspicion that someone else took his phone and conceded the election against his wishes?

More conspiracy theory than reasonable

How did your head turn "on his behalf" (your words) into "against his wishes" (your words)?

moon2 · 24-11-2020 9:49am

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

A reasonable suspicion that someone else took his phone and conceded the election against his wishes?

More conspiracy theory than reasonable

Did anyone make the claim that someone forfeited the election without trump's permission/knoeledge?

It sounded to me like the claim was Trump didn't write those tweets, which is a fairly safe claim to make. The tweets are completely out of character for Trump in terms of writing style. His are never that eloquent.

ExMachina1000 · 24-11-2020 9:49am

TomOnBoard wrote: »

How did your head turn "on his behalf" (your words) into "against his wishes" (your words)?

The poster I replied to reckons "It looks like the adults have finally told the baby that play time is over and that it's someone elses turn." Ie someone took his phone and decided to concede the election against his wishes.

Complete tripe

robinph · 24-11-2020 9:51am

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

A reasonable suspicion that someone else took his phone and conceded the election against his wishes?

More conspiracy theory than reasonable

Trump doesn't get to decide who won the election.

He does have a choice to concede or not, admittedly, but even then there comes a point where despite being the president and in charge of everything someone with a greater grip on reality will come along and tell you that it's over.
He can't change the fact that he lost, others can now tell him that he's more damaging to their future and the countries future if he doesn't step aside though.

ExMachina1000 · 24-11-2020 9:51am

moon2 wrote: »

Did anyone make the claim that someone forfeited the election without trump's permission/knoeledge?

Yes they did. The original post I replied to. The reason I replied.

moon2 · 24-11-2020 9:51am

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

The poster I replied to reckons "It looks like the adults have finally told the baby that play time is over and that it's someone elses turn." Ie someone took his phone and decided to concede the election against his wishes.

Complete tripe

That interpretation is complete tripe alright

What it's actually saying is that Trump has finally been convinced it's time to concede. So he did. And someone else wrote the tweet because he couldn't/wouldn't.

robinph · 24-11-2020 10:04am

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Yes they did. The original post I replied to. The reason I replied.

Nobody has claimed that someone else has taken to making decisions on Trumps behalf by stealing his phone. But Trumps concession most likely just amounted to him being told it's over, him going "hrumph, OK then, you tweet it" then slamming the door and throwing the phone on the floor on the way out the room.

Trump didn't compose the Tweet, but despite him having to be told to make the decision he still had to agree to it even if there was some significant arm twisting going on in the process.

TomOnBoard · 24-11-2020 10:08am

robinph wrote: »

Nobody has claimed that someone else has taken to making decisions on Trumps behalf by stealing his phone. But Trumps concession most likely just amounted to him being told it's over, him going "hrumph, OK then, you tweet it" then slamming the door and throwing the phone on the floor on the way out the room.

Trump didn't compose the Tweet, but despite him having to be told to make the decision he still had to agree to it even if there was some significant arm twisting going on in the process.

That about sums it up in my mind.

Anyhoo, a brand new day and getting so much closer to some civility and normality in the world of politics.

seamus · 24-11-2020 10:18am

robinph wrote: »

Nobody has claimed that someone else has taken to making decisions on Trumps behalf by stealing his phone. But Trumps concession most likely just amounted to him being told it's over, him going "hrumph, OK then, you tweet it" then slamming the door and throwing the phone on the floor on the way out the room.

Trump didn't compose the Tweet, but despite him having to be told to make the decision he still had to agree to it even if there was some significant arm twisting going on in the process.

Sounds about right IMO. Then he never has to personally acknowledge that he conceded and his cognitive dissonance can persist.

The speculation that at some point Trump will retreat to Mar a Lago and just not come back, is seeming more and more likely at this point. Biden will be the de facto President, and Pence will just sign off on things where legality requires it.

robinph · 24-11-2020 10:30am

seamus wrote: »

The speculation that at some point Trump will retreat to Mar a Lago and just not come back, is seeming more and more likely at this point. Biden will be the de facto President, and Pence will just sign off on things where legality requires it.

Nothing yet on what the inauguration will look like due to Covid-19, but despite being massively scaled back you'd normally still expect there to be both outgoing and incoming president there to shake hands and do a few photos. Pence would obviously turn up because he can behave like an adult, but that's going to look bad for the country/ party if Trump doesn't show up and Pence is there. Do they drag Trump along and see if he can pull worse faces than Melania did at his inauguration, or leave him playing golf in Florida and scale down the ceremony even more under the useful excuse of Covid19 and not have anyone there other than Biden, Harris and a lawyer holding a bible for them to swear on?

No need to hold the big gathering for an inugration.

gimli2112 · 24-11-2020 10:35am

when all is said and done it's been an appropriate ending to an inglorious Presidency

Sparko · 24-11-2020 10:35am

I fully expect Trump to hold a rally on Inauguration Day instead of attending the inauguration, crammed with his supporters, no distancing or masks.

I expect the inauguration will be smaller than usual due to the new administration taking social gathering guidelines more seriously.

And then Trump will make many references to how his crowd at his rally was so much bigger than the attendance at the inauguration. That's my prediction for how January 20th will go down.

TomOnBoard · 24-11-2020 10:58am

Sparko wrote: »

I fully expect Trump to hold a rally on Inauguration Day instead of attending the inauguration, crammed with his supporters, no distancing or masks.

I expect the inauguration will be smaller than usual due to the new administration taking social gathering guidelines more seriously.

And then Trump will make many references to how his crowd at his rally was so much bigger than the attendance at the inauguration. That's my prediction for how January 20th will go down.

Jeez, Sparko! You're after giving him ideas!!!

Brussels Sprout · 24-11-2020 11:22am

Sparko wrote: »

I fully expect Trump to hold a rally on Inauguration Day instead of attending the inauguration, crammed with his supporters, no distancing or masks.

I expect the inauguration will be smaller than usual due to the new administration taking social gathering guidelines more seriously.

And then Trump will make many references to how his crowd at his rally was so much bigger than the attendance at the inauguration. That's my prediction for how January 20th will go down.

This is a pretty good shout. The only worry for him would be - would anyone actually cover it if it clashed with Biden's inauguration? If he took the chance to go up against it directly it would be very easy for the execs at the major networks* to draw a line under him and start their new policy of just not covering his rallies anymore.

The only fate worse for Trump than someone else getting the limelight would be for someone else to get the limelight while at the same time he is actively being ignored.

*NewsMax and OANN are not major networks

dogbert27 · 24-11-2020 12:02pm

Would Trump be the first president not to invite the new president elect to the White House?

PopePalpatine · 24-11-2020 12:18pm

dogbert27 wrote: »

Would Trump be the first president not to invite the new president elect to the White House?

Do presidents who died in office count?

24-11-2020 2:52pm

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

A reasonable suspicion that someone else took his phone and conceded the election against his wishes?

More conspiracy theory than reasonable

Well we did have posts from trump supporters on here claiming before this that he doesn't write any of his tweets.

The Raging Bile Duct · 24-11-2020 2:56pm

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Do presidents who died in office count?

Count what?

ExMachina1000 · 24-11-2020 3:16pm

DubInMeath wrote: »

Well we did have this posts from trump supporters on here claiming before this that he doesn't write any of his tweets.

He does or else he dictates them. As per one of his ex staffers

duploelabs · 24-11-2020 3:26pm

DubInMeath wrote: »

Well we did have this posts from trump supporters on here claiming before this that he doesn't write any of his tweets.

Did he then instruct the spelling mistakes to ensure his secret message is intact and being conveyed correctly to his special friend followers?

robinph · 24-11-2020 3:34pm

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Do presidents who died in office count?

I assume that the VP would have visited the White House at some point in each case.

Water John · 24-11-2020 3:53pm

Quite often VPs had no role in actual operating Govn't. Sometimes the POTUS and VP actively disliked each other and had no interaction.

BluePlanet · 24-11-2020 4:21pm

dogbert27 wrote: »

Would Trump be the first president not to invite the new president elect to the White House?

Biden team should refuse to attend anyway pending a full coronavirus deep-clean of the place.

MJohnston · 24-11-2020 4:43pm

Biden wouldn't need to do a White House visit anyway, he already worked there for 8 years. If I were them, I wouldn't bother forcing that issue, it'll just get Trump in a big huff again. Focusing on the actual political transition is far more important.

I've also said before that I can't see Biden wanting to have any kind of major inauguration given the pandemic, but with Trump's big baby act over the last month, it might almost be necessary to really cement the handover in some people's minds.

seamus · 24-11-2020 4:51pm

Biden just passed 80m total popular votes.

Whatever opportunity Trump had to claim to be in the "elite" camp of candidates who first exceeded 70m votes, has been taken away by Biden.

Foxtrol · 24-11-2020 5:18pm

robinph wrote: »

Nobody has claimed that someone else has taken to making decisions on Trumps behalf by stealing his phone. But Trumps concession most likely just amounted to him being told it's over, him going "hrumph, OK then, you tweet it" then slamming the door and throwing the phone on the floor on the way out the room.

Trump didn't compose the Tweet, but despite him having to be told to make the decision he still had to agree to it even if there was some significant arm twisting going on in the process.

It seemed to me more like the standard Trump team tactic of claiming they told someone to make a decision that he had no real power over. They've been at it for the last 6 years.

Once the GSA made the decision he was basically powerless to go against it because it was set in motion. He could rage and fire her but I dont think that would have stopped the transition so it is easier to say 'I told her to do it' and still claim it as he was in control. Right wing social media has clung onto that claiming 'it is all part of the plan'.

namloc1980 · 24-11-2020 5:19pm

PA just certified.

.

paul71 · 24-11-2020 5:36pm

VinLieger wrote: »

He may have approved the tweets but theres no way he wrote them.

Yeap I agree, the construction and grammar used is well beyond his abilities, that is very obvious. In addition there is a lack of superfluous adjectives.

paul71 · 24-11-2020 5:52pm

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

He does or else he dictates them. As per one of his ex staffers

He did not dictate those, he is not capable of such clarity. I do not doubt he told someone to write something and nodded approval when the text written by someone else was read to him.

prawnsambo · 24-11-2020 6:03pm

paul71 wrote: »

He did not dictate those, he is not capable of such clarity. I do not doubt he told someone to write something and nodded approval when the text written by someone else was read to him.

I imagine there's a person or even a team that tweets out regularly from the account. I don't follow him, but I've seen a few tweets that don't have the same level of... excitement? about them.

US Presidential Election 2020 Thread II - Judgement Day(s)

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