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US Presidential Election 2020 Thread II - Judgement Day(s)

Quin_Dub

Continuation thread from here

All existing rules still stand.

Everyone will want to be active in this thread over the next few days , but there will be zero tolerance for Forum rule breaches.

Keep it Sensible , Civil and Polite please.

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seamus

Biden just passed 80m total popular votes.

Whatever opportunity Trump had to claim to be in the "elite" camp of candidates who first exceeded 70m votes, has been taken away by Biden.

Foxtrol

robinph wrote: »

Nobody has claimed that someone else has taken to making decisions on Trumps behalf by stealing his phone. But Trumps concession most likely just amounted to him being told it's over, him going "hrumph, OK then, you tweet it" then slamming the door and throwing the phone on the floor on the way out the room.

Trump didn't compose the Tweet, but despite him having to be told to make the decision he still had to agree to it even if there was some significant arm twisting going on in the process.

It seemed to me more like the standard Trump team tactic of claiming they told someone to make a decision that he had no real power over. They've been at it for the last 6 years.

Once the GSA made the decision he was basically powerless to go against it because it was set in motion. He could rage and fire her but I dont think that would have stopped the transition so it is easier to say 'I told her to do it' and still claim it as he was in control. Right wing social media has clung onto that claiming 'it is all part of the plan'.

namloc1980

PA just certified.

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paul71

VinLieger wrote: »

He may have approved the tweets but theres no way he wrote them.

Yeap I agree, the construction and grammar used is well beyond his abilities, that is very obvious. In addition there is a lack of superfluous adjectives.

paul71

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

He does or else he dictates them. As per one of his ex staffers

He did not dictate those, he is not capable of such clarity. I do not doubt he told someone to write something and nodded approval when the text written by someone else was read to him.

prawnsambo

paul71 wrote: »

He did not dictate those, he is not capable of such clarity. I do not doubt he told someone to write something and nodded approval when the text written by someone else was read to him.

I imagine there's a person or even a team that tweets out regularly from the account. I don't follow him, but I've seen a few tweets that don't have the same level of... excitement? about them.

MadYaker

An embarrassing end to an embarrassing presidency.

froog

my god he's still not conceding. jesus.

Quin_Dub

froog wrote: »

my god he's still not conceding. jesus.

He can't just yet.

If he concedes he has to shutter his PAC - So no more money coming in.

Not sure if he can "officially" declare for 2024 until after Inauguration day so he needs to keep the current "Save America PAC" or whatever it's called going for as long as possible before he can roll it over into his "2024" PAC.

It's all about the money.

He always planned on challenging the results , he's telegraphed that for months now , but he didn't expect to have to try and flip 3 or 4 States , I think he thought that it would all come down to either PA or Florida.

Given how utterly craven the GOP have been , if it had been just the one State he would have gotten away with it.

But , once it became multiple States, it has always been about the money and building a brand to keep that money flowing.

demfad

Quin_Dub wrote: »

He can't just yet.

If he concedes he has to shutter his PAC - So no more money coming in.

Not sure if he can "officially" declare for 2024 until after Inauguration day so he needs to keep the current "Save America PAC" or whatever it's called going for as long as possible before he can roll it over into his "2024" PAC.

It's all about the money.

He always planned on challenging the results , he's telegraphed that for months now , but he didn't expect to have to try and flip 3 or 4 States , I think he thought that it would all come down to either PA or Florida.

Given how utterly craven the GOP have been , if it had been just the one State he would have gotten away with it.

But , once it became multiple States, it has always been about the money and building a brand to keep that money flowing.

I was suprised at his conceding the transition access. My feeling is he has leveraged this for something.

moon2

demfad wrote: »

I was suprised at his conceding the transition access. My feeling is he has leveraged this for something.

I'd like to believe that the inexorable march of time, and the law, are what forced this to occur. Trump has no legal basis for his claims (by virtue of the cases being thrown out due to lack of any corroborating evidence), and so the legal process is continuing to plod along.

The most recent event is that the GSA have recognized biden as the winner, and so regardless of trump's desires the team have legal access to the transition fund.

Trump didn't concede anything as he had no authority over it in the first place. He has pretended to concede the thing he had no authority over in an effort to save face. That may work amongst his supporters, who have been continuing to throw cash at him so he can pay down his debt.

LuckyLloyd

demfad wrote: »

I was suprised at his conceding the transition access. My feeling is he has leveraged this for something.

I'm not sure he did concede it tbf. The GSA head was asked to attend congressional oversight committees yesterday - didn't show - and apparently received some sharp letters demanding she provide an account of her continued refusal to allow the transition to commence. My guess is she informed Trump that on that basis she had done all the holding out she was going to do.

[Deleted User]

Apparently in Maine just its military & overseas ballots breakdown was

Biden 4,599 (80%)
Trump 838 (15%)

The military vote especially officers usually swings heavily republican, so would be interesting to see how their votes went in other states.

ExMachina1000

paul71 wrote: »

He did not dictate those, he is not capable of such clarity. I do not doubt he told someone to write something and nodded approval when the text written by someone else was read to him.

Agreed

BonnieSituation

I suppose this thread will morph in to the Georgia Run-off thread.

Has anyone been keeping tabs on it?

dogbert27

Quin_Dub wrote: »

He can't just yet.

If he concedes he has to shutter his PAC - So no more money coming in.

Not sure if he can "officially" declare for 2024 until after Inauguration day so he needs to keep the current "Save America PAC" or whatever it's called going for as long as possible before he can roll it over into his "2024" PAC.

It's all about the money.

He always planned on challenging the results , he's telegraphed that for months now , but he didn't expect to have to try and flip 3 or 4 States , I think he thought that it would all come down to either PA or Florida.

Given how utterly craven the GOP have been , if it had been just the one State he would have gotten away with it.

But , once it became multiple States, it has always been about the money and building a brand to keep that money flowing.

In the small print of the emails it says Trump and the family can use the money for personal salaries.

No shame.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8982595/Donald-Trump-family-salary-donations-court-battles-small-print-reveals.html

Roanmore

BonnieSituation wrote: »

I suppose this thread will morph in to the Georgia Run-off thread.

Has anyone been keeping tabs on it?

The only thing I have seen is a PAC run by Roger Stone which was dormant recently has been started up again. They are urging Republican voters to write Trump's name on the ballot (the option is not available in Georgia) instead of the GOP candidate or else not vote at all.
This is a strange strategy on first look as it will guarantee the Democratic candidates will win but it seems to be a way of keeping the GOP on Trump's side.
Roger Stone has denied it but I don't believe a word out of his mouth.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/roger-stone-tied-group-threatens-gop-if-trump-goes-down-so-does-your-senate-majority

VinLieger

Roanmore wrote: »

The only thing I have seen is a PAC run by Roger Stone which was dormant recently has been started up again. They are urging Republican voters to write Trump's name on the ballot (the option is not available in Georgia) instead of the GOP candidate or else not vote at all.
This is a strange strategy on first look as it will guarantee the Democratic candidates will win but it seems to be a way of keeping the GOP on Trump's side.
Roger Stone has denied it but I don't believe a word out of his mouth.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/roger-stone-tied-group-threatens-gop-if-trump-goes-down-so-does-your-senate-majority

Ive also seen Q rallies where they are calling for a complete boycott because the GOP abandoned trump

Brussels Sprout

BonnieSituation wrote: »

I suppose this thread will morph in to the Georgia Run-off thread.

Has anyone been keeping tabs on it?

Apparently the two Democratic candidates and the two Republicans are both campaigning as pairs - so going to joint events. That makes sense to me for the Democrats since for them it's win both seats or bust but not as much for the Republicans since Kelly Loefller has a lot of baggage and who's whole shtick in the General Election was that she voted with Trump more than anyone else.

The consensus is that the Republicans have the advantage since they do better in run-off elections historically. However, if you drill into the reasons why that it is it is because high propensity voters are college-educated voters and they were typically Republican voters. With the great switcharoo under Trump that is no longer the case. I have a feeling that it's going to come down to the black vote in the 9 counties around Atlanta (again). If the Democrats can get them out in anything like they numbers they did 3 weeks ago then they can win this for sure.

prawnsambo

Brussels Sprout wrote: »

Apparently the two Democratic candidates and the two Republicans are both campaigning as pairs - so going to joint events. That makes sense to me for the Democrats since for them it's win both seats or bust but not as much for the Republicans since Kelly Loefller has a lot of baggage and who's whole shtick in the General Election was that she voted with Trump more than anyone else.

The consensus is that the Republicans have the advantage since they do better in run-off elections historically. However, if you drill into the reasons why that it is it is because high propensity voters are college-educated voters and they were typically Republican voters. With the great switcharoo under Trump that is no longer the case. I have a feeling that it's going to come down to the black vote in the 9 counties around Atlanta (again). If the Democrats can get them out in anything like they numbers they did 3 weeks ago then they can win this for sure.

There has been talk of more voter purges in Georgia since the election. Have only seen a couple of references, but there's a big push on currently for people to check to see that they are still registered.

8mv

prawnsambo wrote: »

There has been talk of more voter purges in Georgia since the election. Have only seen a couple of references, but there's a big push on currently for people to check to see that they are still registered.

I'm sure Stacey Abrams will be on top of that - I recently listened to her being interviewed by Marc Maron (WTF podcast) and she's quite the impressive lady.

namloc1980

prawnsambo wrote: »

There has been talk of more voter purges in Georgia since the election. Have only seen a couple of references, but there's a big push on currently for people to check to see that they are still registered.

Republicans dropped the ball for the November election by not purging enough black and democratic voters. There'll be a big push to sort that out for January.

Water John

namloc1980 wrote: »

Republicans dropped the ball for the November election by not purging enough black and democratic voters. There'll be a big push to sort that out for January.

Oh they had done it two years ago, but Stacey Abrams got all those and more reregistered. They have also registered all those who have turned 18 since November, 23K.

duploelabs

namloc1980 wrote: »

Republicans dropped the ball for the November election by not purging enough black and democratic voters. There'll be a big push to sort that out for January.

Apparently they've had 500k new ballots sent out

Capt'n Midnight

Water John wrote: »

Quite often VPs had no role in actual operating Govn't. Sometimes the POTUS and VP actively disliked each other and had no interaction.

The rule is they don't travel together.

So there's one reason to make someone you dislike VP.

serfboard

Roanmore wrote: »

The only thing I have seen is a PAC run by Roger Stone which was dormant recently has been started up again. They are urging Republican voters to write Trump's name on the ballot (the option is not available in Georgia) instead of the GOP candidate or else not vote at all.
This is a strange strategy on first look as it will guarantee the Democratic candidates will win but it seems to be a way of keeping the GOP on Trump's side.

I hadn't heard of this, but if you think about it, it is a really good strategy from Stone/Trump's point of view.

The one thing Mitch McConnell craves now is Senate control, to block Biden in the same way that he blocked Obama. This is a great threat to hang over McConnell - keep backing us, or we'll torpedo the Georgia election, and cost you Senate control.

Which proves just how much of a non-party person Trump is - he couldn't give two sh1ts about the Republicans or their agenda.

For any other candidate, this would be political suicide, but this makes it clear that the party needs Trump more than he needs them.

Francie Barrett

Noticed that the odds have moved out on Biden winning the election to 1/11 on Betfair. Presumably there are people out there who think that the current delay in certifying Pennsylvania could somehow lead to postal ballots being thrown out. The whole thing just seems incongruent with reality at this stage.

TomOnBoard

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Noticed that the odds have moved out on Biden winning the election to 1/11 on Betfair. Presumably there are people out there who think that the current delay in certifying Pennsylvania could somehow lead to postal ballots being thrown out. The whole thing just seems incongruent with reality at this stage.

I reckon the fact that Sidney Powell's promised legal action materialised in filings, published today in respect of both Georgia and Michigan, that will be lodged in Courts tomorrow, is having an effect.

duploelabs

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Noticed that the odds have moved out on Biden winning the election to 1/11 on Betfair. Presumably there are people out there who think that the current delay in certifying Pennsylvania could somehow lead to postal ballots being thrown out. The whole thing just seems incongruent with reality at this stage.

It's just reflecting the manner of the beds placed, not other events

VinLieger

TomOnBoard wrote: »

I reckon the fact that Sidney Powell's promised legal action materialised in filings, published today in respect of both Georgia and Michigan, that will be lodged in Courts tomorrow, is having an effect.

Doubtful, if you read them they are just more conspiracy nonsense that she has no chance of proving in court because shes made it all up