new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

wakka12 · 23-01-2020 11:51pm

Legacy Better Explosion wrote: »

Indeed SARS only took out 800 and was headline news for years.
Still enough of a concern for WHO to have a get together later today.
Pneumonia can effect young healthy people as well as the infirm.

For good reason surely? It was a deadly virus that spread easily and killed healthy people

Apparently with this coronavirus of the 19 deaths all but two were over 60, and ten of 19 had existing health conditions. So far anyway doesnt look any deadlier than normal winter flu.

Interestingly in the shop today I overheard a Chinese woman talking to the shopkeeper about how she couldnt fly home for new years anymore because of the outbreak of the disease.

PokeHerKing · 23-01-2020 11:54pm

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

The stupidity or sheer thoughtlessness of some people
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/jan/23/chinese-tourist-says-she-evaded-coronavirus-checks-fly-france
Chinese tourist says she evaded coronavirus checks to fly to France:
“I had a fever and a cough before I left – I was so scared. I quickly took some medicine and checked my temperature. Luckily the temperature was controlled and I had a smooth journey through the border.”

Can't blame her really, I'd rather be in a French hospital than a chinese city in lock down.

fritzelly · 23-01-2020 11:58pm

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

The stupidity or sheer thoughtlessness of some people
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/jan/23/chinese-tourist-says-she-evaded-coronavirus-checks-fly-france
Chinese tourist says she evaded coronavirus checks to fly to France:
“I had a fever and a cough before I left – I was so scared. I quickly took some medicine and checked my temperature. Luckily the temperature was controlled and I had a smooth journey through the border.”

Selfish idiots like that that will be the cause of it spreading globally in no time at all
Anyone know what the incubation period is for it or is it the same as other flu's

23-01-2020 11:58pm

two cases of the corona virus confirmed in temple bar, both men hospitalized, originally from Cavan.

apparently people in the bar reported them buying rounds of corona without any reason whatsoever!!! unheard of for a cavan man!! must be the dreaded virus then eh!

wakka12 · 23-01-2020 11:58pm

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-four-people-tested-in-scotland-and-more-uk-cases-feared-11915882
Potentially spread to Ireland and Scotland
'Sky News understands one person is also being treated at the Royal Victoria Infirmary in Belfast for symptoms associated with coronavirus.'

WHO believe it has potential to become a pandemic, 600 cases confirmed in China with 18 deaths
Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, director-general of the WHO, said: "Make no mistake, this is an emergency in China but it has not yet become a global health emergency.

"It may yet become one."
https://news.sky.com/story/china-coronavirus-25-dead-as-wuhan-city-in-lockdown-11915522

4068ac1elhodqr · 24-01-2020 12:04am

wakka12 wrote: »

Apparently with this coronavirus of the 19 deaths all but two were over 60, and ten of 19 had existing health conditions. So far anyway doesnt look any deadlier than normal winter flu.

Similar, but different and as it's new (2019-nCoV) it has no vaccine (takes months to develop). Can be mild, but can also cause viral-pneumonia, and antibiotics also do not work for viral based infections.

(Hubei Province) of the 444 confirmed cases:
399 patients are receiving treatment in hospitals
71 in severe condition
24 in critical condition
17 deaths (most with pre-existing conditions)

24-01-2020 12:08am

China already reporting an anti viral drug.
administered orally around the lip region, a squeeze of lime will improve taste and improve mortality!!

ceadaoin. · 24-01-2020 12:12am

DonnieCorko wrote: »

Think its a 1 in 30 death rate so far from my calculations but that could rise as people who are currently ill could pass away. Could get worse or better, no way of knowing.

I doubt the death rate is anywhere near that high. There are bound to be way more cases than officially reported.

Quantum Erasure · 24-01-2020 12:14am

rusty cole wrote: »

two cases of the corona virus confirmed in temple bar, both men hospitalized, originally from Cavan.

apparently people in the bar reported them buying rounds of corona without any reason whatsoever!!! unheard of for a cavan man!! must be the dreaded virus then eh!

everyone says cavan people are stingy, 'tis people from meath that are careful with their money

24-01-2020 12:16am

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

everyone says cavan people are stingy, 'tis people from meath that are careful with their money

worked with a cavan man for years, you could not get him away from the bar for buying every c**t and dhrink, and a great man on a night out.
my reference to Cavan was merely an ironical ode to that man!

His name was traynor and when eejits would be cast below his tutelage, he would say Traynor by name not by occupation!!
I loved that one.

Snow Garden · 24-01-2020 12:22am

Vaccine makers tap into virus-driven rally to raise money

Novavax Inc., which in 2013 developed a vaccine for Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS), filed to raise more than $100 million.

Some small vaccine developers that saw their stocks take off on Tuesday over growing concern about the new coronavirus are using the rally to raise money.

Novavax Inc. NVAX, +8.04% in 2013 developed a vaccine for Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS), which is also a coronavirus.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/vaccine-makers-tap-into-virus-driven-rally-to-raise-money-2020-01-22

24-01-2020 12:32am

Legacy Better Explosion wrote: »

Correction, instant noodles (not dry), from the red top bastion of truth and information.

An ideal food to keep, storage wise. The question is how many days/weeks would the average person have in their cupboard, and what happens when the advertised price quadrouples behind closed shop shutters.

I was in china in July and at the gate there were vending machines selling pot noodles of every size shape and flavour you can imagine. And there were queues for them. I didn't understand why until we got on the plane. I was seated near the galley and once we took off (after waiting in the plane for 3 hours on the tarmac waiting for a Typhoon to pass), every few minutes someone would arrive at the galley asking for boiling water to put in their pot noodle. I thought, why didn't I think of that?!? Instead of eating KLM's rubber chicken dinner, I should have bought some pot noodles. They have some big pots which really are a full meal, not the quick snack we are used to here.

bodhrandude · 24-01-2020 12:36am

What next a Coronation Street Virus

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Spanish Eyes · 24-01-2020 12:41am

I never want any of my family especially OH to EVER get that ferocious flu/bug thing that was doing the rounds at Christmas ever again.

That was despite getting the flu jab too. This Corona virus is in China. We are not in China. I know bugs can travel, But hopefully it is being bigged up by the virologists and Big Pharma. Then it will die out eventually like Ebola and Sars and so on.

4068ac1elhodqr · 24-01-2020 12:51am

Deleted User wrote: »

I was in china in July and at the gate there were vending machines selling pot noodles of every size shape and flavour you can imagine. And there were queues for them. I didn't understand why until we got on the plane. I was seated near the galley and once we took off (after waiting in the plane for 3 hours on the tarmac waiting for a Typhoon to pass), every few minutes someone would arrive at the galley asking for boiling water to put in their pot noodle. I thought, why didn't I think of that?!? Instead of eating KLM's rubber chicken dinner, I should have bought some pot noodles. They have some big pots which really are a full meal, not the quick snack we are used to here.

A green Potnoodle E621 chicken combo, once a year is about enough.
Had fish noodle soup upstairs at KULairport once, and still regret it. Another time went 24hr KLM during ramadamadingdone via SIN, so only a few were eating and thus got offered a fairly nice spare hot dinner every 2hrs.

Still if locked down, something could be made of plain dry Noodles with a few other (curry) ingredents, had dry boxed peas last week, and were actually far better than tinned or frozen stuff.
Dehydrated foods are also very lightweight, handy if escaping Wuhan (bigger than NYC) on horseback with just a rucksack. If not resolved within the week, the social panic might be worse than the actual infection.

dhaughton99 · 24-01-2020 12:55am

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12302979

Food market at centre of deadly coronavirus outbreak admits selling live koalas, snakes, rats and wolves

mikeecho · 24-01-2020 12:58am

Interesting read from the Washington Post

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/coronavirus-china-wuhan-latest/2020/01/23/2dc947a8-3d45-11ea-afe2-090eb37b60b1_story.html

-: This virus could be 10 times that of SARS.

-: The golden period for Quarantine has passed.

-: Chinese officials aren't doing everything

-: There is a level of censorship surrounding this matter .

Quantum Erasure · 24-01-2020 1:00am

dhaughton99 wrote: »

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12302979

Food market at centre of deadly coronavirus outbreak admits selling live koalas, snakes, rats and wolves

sounds like it'd be a cool place to see, under normal circumstances...

mikeecho · 24-01-2020 1:04am

Legacy Better Explosion wrote: »

Similar, but different and as it's new (2019-nCoV) it has no vaccine (takes months to develop). Can be mild, but can also cause viral-pneumonia, and antibiotics also do not work for viral based infections.

(Hubei Province) of the 444 confirmed cases:
399 patients are receiving treatment in hospitals
71 in severe condition
24 in critical condition
17 deaths (most with pre-existing conditions)

Where are you getting this info from ?

Main-stream media isn't reporting those figures.

fritzelly · 24-01-2020 1:07am

If this is no worse than the common flu and the numbers coming out of China are to be believed then why are they shutting down the country?

Bobblehats · 24-01-2020 1:11am

dhaughton99 wrote: »

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12302979

Food market at centre of deadly coronavirus outbreak admits selling live koalas, snakes, rats and wolves

“If it Moves; Eat it!” - The Wild Brunch

The chan chan man · 24-01-2020 1:13am

1720 - plague
1820 - plague
1920 - plague
2020 - Coronavirus...aka plague..

SafeSurfer · 24-01-2020 1:17am

820 cases now confirmed in China

4068ac1elhodqr · 24-01-2020 1:19am

fritzelly wrote: »

If this is no worse than the common flu and the numbers coming out of China are to be believed then why are they shutting down the country?

Even if it only has the (lowish) 2% rate, as suspected (like the Spanish flu had), it's still a lot more significance than regular seasonal flu of only 0.1% (fatality rate).

Essentially may be similar in 'strength' to the regular seasonal flu, but x20 more potent... when including all those over e.g. 40, or those with any underlying conditions whatsoever, if contracted.

As there is no previous human immunity to it, can also spread faster (becoming a numbers game), and it's novel charachter can mutate easier (slowing any vaccine manufacture).
Currently no remedy is available (no jab, and antibiotics are irrelevant in this case).

Quantum Erasure · 24-01-2020 1:20am

mikeecho wrote: »

Where are you getting this info from ?

Main-stream media isn't reporting those figures.

those figures are from about 36 hours ago, found them here. gives source as: 'according to local authorities.'
https://www.shine.cn/news/nation/2001230412/

4068ac1elhodqr · 24-01-2020 1:21am

mikeecho wrote: »

Where are you getting this info from ?
Main-stream media isn't reporting those figures.

Came up on newsfeed aggregator a few hours ago:
https://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/Hot+Topics/China+Mystery+Virus?type=ln

Kermit.de.frog · 24-01-2020 1:24am

SafeSurfer wrote: »

820 cases now confirmed in China

What is that as a percentage of China's population?

Quantum Erasure · 24-01-2020 1:26am

statistically zero.

fritzelly · 24-01-2020 1:29am

SafeSurfer wrote: »

820 cases now confirmed in China

That's a big jump in less than a day or rather in the past few hours

Is it true that the incubation period can be upto 14 days?

SafeSurfer · 24-01-2020 1:29am

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

What is that as a percentage of China's population?

Bout three fiddy

4068ac1elhodqr · 24-01-2020 1:30am

The reproductive rate of the virus — the number of people, on average, that each infected person infects — is between 1.4 and 2.5.
This needs to be brought below 1.0.

Also, recent WHO data also shows evidence of sustained human-to-human transmission (4-generations).

bilston · 24-01-2020 1:31am

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

What is that as a percentage of China's population?

820 out of 1.3 billion is teeney. However a quick look at some of the videos coming out on Twitter would suggest that 820 cases is likely a very conservative figure.

fritzelly · 24-01-2020 1:36am

bilston wrote: »

820 out of 1.3 billion is teeney. However a quick look at some of the videos coming out on Twitter would suggest that 820 cases is likely a very conservative figure.

If only the internet wasn't so closely guarded in China - were they not already deleting info posted by people

SafeSurfer · 24-01-2020 1:37am

bilston wrote: »

820 out of 1.3 billion is teeney. However a quick look at some of the videos coming out on Twitter would suggest that 820 cases is likely a very conservative figure.

It’s spread coincides with the largest annual movement of people in the planet. Chinese New Year. If anyone has been on a train in China around this time of year the potential of a serious epidemic will be obvious.

24-01-2020 1:56am

It's in Vietnam now and it's the same Lunar New Year with everyone travelling around. Now worried about the flu itself but wouldn't like to be stuck in a locked-down city similar to the ones in China.

ChikiChiki · 24-01-2020 2:12am

bilston wrote: »

820 out of 1.3 billion is teeney. However a quick look at some of the videos coming out on Twitter would suggest that 820 cases is likely a very conservative figure.

At this stage I'd imagine the number is multiples of 820.

maninasia · 24-01-2020 2:21am

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

sounds like it'd be a cool place to see, under normal circumstances...

Those places are filthy and the animals kept in terrible conditions .

https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s?__biz=MzI0NzMxOTY3NQ==&mid=2247486410&idx=1&sn=3dde3c8ba8db3b73b6c9deeb594c6ef4&chksm=e9b096dedec71fc8051260e7b1dd602161986d352bda1fdf0195c7618272c81cc7de1b07c88d#rd

clever user name · 24-01-2020 3:03am

I'm in the next province up from Hubei (Xi'an). Things are pretty normal here at the moment. Certainly at lot more people wearing masks, including myself (not that I plan on going anywhere). I was going to head down to the city wall tomorrow to see the New Year show, but I think I shall give that a miss.

On a side note, the air quality in northern China is absolutely shocking this time of year, that can't be helping the situation.

Arghus · 24-01-2020 3:04am

mikeecho wrote: »

Where are you getting this info from ?

Main-stream media isn't reporting those figures.

I don't know why you are talking about mainstream media not reporting those figures. Those are pretty much the figures BBC News has. And they are giving the story loads of coverage. Loads of coverage on RTE news today as well.

Edit: Maybe I have you taken up wrong.

ygolometsipe · 24-01-2020 3:42am

~800-900 cases with 25 dead and you lock-down 6-8 cities. One of which has 11 million people.
You arrest people and journalists for posting about the outbreak.
Chinese citizen openly admitted to circumventing the screen process to get to France.
CNY largest yearly migration of people.
Virus has an average incubation period of 4 days but up to 14 days.

Something tell me this is far worse than expected but I hope I am wrong.

Scuid Mhór · 24-01-2020 3:46am

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

The stupidity or sheer thoughtlessness of some people
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/jan/23/chinese-tourist-says-she-evaded-coronavirus-checks-fly-france
Chinese tourist says she evaded coronavirus checks to fly to France:
“I had a fever and a cough before I left – I was so scared. I quickly took some medicine and checked my temperature. Luckily the temperature was controlled and I had a smooth journey through the border.”

How can this be anything other than mass murder by gross negligence?

Scuid Mhór · 24-01-2020 3:48am

ygolometsipe wrote: »

~800-900 cases with 25 dead and you lock-down 6-8 cities. One of which has 11 million people.
You arrest people and journalists for posting about the outbreak.
Chinese citizen openly admitted to circumventing the screen process to get to France.
CNY largest yearly migration of people.
Virus has an average incubation period of 4 days but up to 14 days.

Something tell me this is far worse than expected but I hope I am wrong.

Part of thinks that it could be plausible that this is an "overreaction" on China's part in order to look responsible - this is the best chance they have had to restore confidence in their role as a global power in the case of infectious outbreak since the SARS PR disaster seventeen years ago.

maninasia · 24-01-2020 3:49am

mikhail wrote: »

Flu kills 100 or so people in Ireland annually. This thing has killed three people globally. It's important that the epidemiologists watch it carefully and take their preventative measures, but the sky isn't falling just yet.

It's killed 17 probably quite a few more. But yes it's important to keep an eye on it more than anything right now.

ygolometsipe · 24-01-2020 3:57am

Scuid Mhór wrote: »

Part of thinks that it could be plausible that this is an "overreaction" on China's part in order to look responsible - this is the best chance they have had to restore confidence in their role as a global power in the case of infectious outbreak since the SARS PR disaster seventeen years ago.

You might be right. However 23 million people are on lockdown and the narrative is only 800 infected.
Why lock up journalists?

WHO is likely believing China right now and their ability to contain it however they will review in 10 days time.
However the Chinese citizen that knew she was infected but still flew to France could have infected everyone on that flight. The passengers families could also be infected.
The screening method is bull **** if you can just take "flu medication" and drive your temp down.

It's all a bit odd to be fair.

Scuid Mhór · 24-01-2020 4:31am

ygolometsipe wrote: »

You might be right. However 23 million people are on lockdown and the narrative is only 800 infected.
Why lock up journalists?

WHO is likely believing China right now and their ability to contain it however they will review in 10 days time.
However the Chinese citizen that knew she was infected but still flew to France could have infected everyone on that flight. The passengers families could also be infected.
The screening method is bull **** if you can just take "flu medication" and drive your temp down.

It's all a bit odd to be fair.

I agree with you on all points. Also I think you can contract the infection and not show symptoms until a few days later so any screening mechanism is essentially useless. If it were me I would be sending all passengers from danger zone flight origins back, or pre-emptively cancelling the flights.

The fact that there is no cure/vaccine, that it has a high infection rate, and the fact that it is a very serious threat... I actually have no idea how travel is still being permitted. All it takes to start a pandemic in one country is one person.

Graces7 · 24-01-2020 6:28am

Interesting question indeed! They have warned the virus is mutating so basically an unknown quantity. And they are rightly taking no risks and do right. And look at the death rate already?

fritzelly wrote: »

If this is no worse than the common flu and the numbers coming out of China are to be believed then why are they shutting down the country?

megatron989 · 24-01-2020 12:14pm

Been seeing some interesting pics coming out of people being taken in those plastic bubble stretchers by staff in full bio suits (in china). Mainly youtube guys reporting on it, so make of that what you will. The below is from wiki-

Some posts on Weibo showed that hospitals in Wuhan have already been overloaded with thousands of people with fever and were highly critical of the reliability of the figures from the Chinese government although such posts are now deleted due to unknown reasons

My feeling would be that their is more going on than we currently know.

mikhail · 24-01-2020 12:23pm

megatron989 wrote: »

Been seeing some interesting pics coming out of people being taken in those plastic bubble stretchers by staff in full bio suits (in china). Mainly youtube guys reporting on it, so make of that what you will. The below is from wiki-

Some posts on Weibo showed that hospitals in Wuhan have already been overloaded with thousands of people with fever and were highly critical of the reliability of the figures from the Chinese government although such posts are now deleted due to unknown reasons

My feeling would be that their is more going on than we currently know.

They're building a new hospital in Wuhan, aiming to have it ready inside of a week. I expect they're not doing that to prop up the local building industry. That said, the numbers are for confirmed cases. There are probably loads of people there for testing, many of whom may have flu or heavy colds or something.

creditcarder · 24-01-2020 12:27pm

Hmmmm, I wonder are foreign government using this as an excuse to isolate/investigate supposed chinese agents? Sounds silly, but it would be so easy to give a false positive off a suspicious person and lock them up for a few days. Tbh, you can give some moderately dubious conditions to someone under medical protection vs imprisonment.

Conspiracy theory I know :P

4068ac1elhodqr · 24-01-2020 12:52pm

While the 2% risk rate doesn't really sound that bad, it's still way above regular seasonal flu, therefore could cause wider disruption as a result.

World Health Organization (WHO) will likely declare the new coronavirus an emergency not just for China but declarw the epidemic of international concern , maybe within days?
Assuming it keeps spreading {x13 Chinese cities on lockdown} and with the current reporduction rate.

UK's Cobra to meet in 10mins to discuss it.
PH-Eng already advised anyone showing up at the Dr's (with travel history and symptons), to be lisolated and locked in the room, probably until hazmaz folks arrive for safe extraction.

new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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