Farming Chitchat 10/10- Now VIRUS-FREE!

Reggie. · 06-07-2020 10:07am

whelan2 wrote: »

He'll be grand . He's here since 8 and hasn't come near me yet

Hes afraid to I'd say

Buford T. Justice XIX · 06-07-2020 10:14am

Say my name wrote: »

She shouldn't be there full stop.

She was unelected. Her appointment stinks of Mussolini appointing special experts to Ministerial positions.
Look how that turned out.
And for me they've really used the propaganda machine to it's fullest. Who else does that remind you of?

Farmers make money in this country. They earn a living. Pay taxes. Keep the circular rural economy going.
Yet to listen to their propaganda that farmers themselves unknowingly contribute to. We're all broke dependent on government subsidy and mortgaged to the hilt from all our endless expansion.

As for the biodiversity. The laws are already there about hedgerow removal and trimming.
But show a few idiots which there will always be even if God himself was giving out retribution and in power, on social media and it drives home their message that they need more power and be in charge.
It's an authoritarian group that compromise won't wash with. And we even see the first shoots of Pippa changing her mind about cattle numbers that was supposed to be one of the keystones agreed with FF/FG when agreeing to government.

What the poor lass and the Greens don't realise in their quest for sound bites on the issue is that the market and demographics are already chipping away at it. But no doubt will claim credit for in the following years.

I wouldn't argue with any of that, tbh.

One thing to keep an eye out for, speaking of sound bites is the difference between the headline and body of the article.

Herd cull cannot be ruled out, says farming minister

And then in the last paragraph

However, Hackett said such a move would be regressive

The media manipulation of the story is something we need to be keeping as much of an eye out for as the story itself.
Some might speculate that the media storm about Cowen is the start of a move to oust him to be replaced by his junior minister and the media would play a central part in moving sentiment from one side to another.
The fact that the science is extremely strong on retaining grasslands and more data backing it up being released every day is conveniently ignored by that same media.

Mortelaro · 06-07-2020 10:37am

A lot of media headlines are deliberately sensationalist alright
I don't expect vradakar or Martin will allow a green party Ag minister

Bass Reeves · 06-07-2020 11:08am

Mortelaro wrote: »

A lot of media headlines are deliberately sensationalist alright
I don't expect vradakar or Martin will allow a green party Ag minister

Agree it's a FF post so replacement will be a FF TD if that happens, it's unlikely that there would be any major reshuffle. Dara Calleary would probably slot straight in there

06-07-2020 11:13am

_Brian wrote: »

Is that not a bit of scare mongering ??
Is there evidence that there are plans to do anything with land that’s already in grass??

I’ll be honest, I’m torn on this issue.

I think there is much more to land than ploughing you everything, obliterating hedges and growing a monoculture of ryegrass pushed on by massive amounts of N, with every weed sprayed. We all see that approach and it’s destroying biodiversity and damaging groundwater quality.

Equally the GP view often out forward that we can move to cereals everywhere demonstrates they don’t fully understand Irish land use either, and I’d include Pippa in that, I’m not sure she has a grasp of land use outside the golden vale.

It’s funny to see such a resistance to reducing herd numbers when so so many are loosing money every year. Do people really beleiv the fairy tale that higher numbers and improved efficiency will bring them into profit?? Or that some minister will step on and make processors pay €4.50/kg for beef ??

There must be a middle ground between Creeds non interest in farming and any potential GP loosing the run of themselves.

Google the EU Biodiversity strategy for 2030 - Bringing nature back into our lives .pdf document. From that:

"It is also important to strictly protect other
carbon-rich ecosystems such as peatlands, grassland, wetlands and marine ecosystems, taking
into account projected shifts in vegetation zones. Today, only 3% of land and less than 1% of
marine areas are strictly protected in the EU.
30 The ambition level must be increased and at
least one third of the whole network of protected areas – representing 10% of EU land
and 10% of EU sea – should be covered by strict protection, in line with the suggested
international ambition."

Specifically mentions "grassland".

Currently 13% of Ireland is designated, they are looking for a 300%+ increase in the area covered by designations, NOT a 30% increase of 13%.

10% of the total area then is to fall under "strict protection". Forget about farming, any other activities, planning, road alteration and so forth. Except in Ireland, seeing as we have 20% of the state defined as peatland, that 10% strictly could well be a higher %.

Google the definition of strict protection 1a. But from the Biodiversity 2030 document itself:

"28 In an EU context, strict protection means a level of protection which is not necessarily no-go, but that allows
no significant disturbance of natural ecological processes."

Which doesn't rule out strictly protected areas being human no go areas.

Google "CAP Strategic Plan GAEC 2"

In that you'll find the undefined term of "appropriate protection" of peatland. That could affect CAP payments and stocking rates. Land drained by grant in the 70's or 80's? Look out.

There's more, stuff in the pfg, playacting in a pilot LIFE project, but I've enough typing done.

There's no "middle ground" with designations, they are statutory instruments. Your land get's designated, becomes instantly devalued, you must inform any future purchaser of their particular before sale (which of the 39 ARC's apply in the case of SAC's. Activities you can or cannot do are out of your hands, whether you have the best or worst will in the world won't matter if it doesn't align with the designation.

Historically designations have not been valued by the state.

I'm happy to repeat, farmers are asleep.

Reggie. · 06-07-2020 12:51pm

Bloody case of bubonic plague in china now

Lime Tree Farm · 06-07-2020 1:11pm

Reggie. wrote: »

Bloody case of bubonic plague in china now

a bit of info on it here.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53305721

ganmo · 06-07-2020 5:44pm

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/2-hospitalised-from-taking-animal-medication-after-vet-surgery-break-in/

One word - special

Reggie. · 06-07-2020 6:04pm

ganmo wrote: »

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/2-hospitalised-from-taking-animal-medication-after-vet-surgery-break-in/

One word - special

I call that natural selection

whelan2 · 06-07-2020 6:51pm

I always wore dunlop purofort wellies. I bought a pair of Bekina wellies in March and a hole came in them yesterday. They were comfortable but back to puroforts today and back to stones getting stuck in the grips of them. Thought I'd get longer than 3 months out of the bekinas

Lime Tree Farm · 06-07-2020 7:10pm

whelan2 wrote: »

I always wore dunlop purofort wellies. I bought a pair of Bekina wellies in March and a hole came in them yesterday. They were comfortable but back to puroforts today and back to stones getting stuck in the grips of them. Thought I'd get longer than 3 months out of the bekinas

I have used superglue, fold open the hole and drop in some superglue. Don't clean off the excess when you release the fold back, leave it overnight.

Lime Tree Farm · 06-07-2020 7:27pm

PARC, road safety, will holding Barry Cowan's feet to the flames in the Dail tomorrow. In particular they want to know if he ever sat a test before the drink driving arrest. Also the date he passed his test, and did he display an N plate while driving to the Dail.

https://img2.thejournal.ie/inline/2454656/original/?width=450&version=2454656

Nekarsulm · 06-07-2020 9:01pm

Vbe interesting to see what his story is.
Could be one of those people who never manage to pass a test, although as a rural TD and an Auctioneer, nerves seem an unlikely excuse.
Could have been getting an added category on an existing licence, a truck or a trailer etc, and been on a provisional until hot the test.

If could have never bothered renewing it, a chap local to me was stopped at a Covid checkpoint and the licence was out for 7 years...

carrollsno1 · 06-07-2020 9:34pm

ganmo wrote: »

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/2-hospitalised-from-taking-animal-medication-after-vet-surgery-break-in/

One word - special

Lads i used to drink with in Oz would be fond of a bitta Ketamine at the weekends and used to take Clenbuteryol to burn fat during the week after the gym. Ketamines a horse tranquilizer and they lose the use of their legs after a while on it during the session and Clenbuteryol is used to treat Asthma in horses but apparently burns fat i humans. A special breed for sure.

GNWoodd · 06-07-2020 9:53pm

Lime Tree Farm wrote: »

PARC, road safety, will holding Barry Cowan's feet to the flames in the Dail tomorrow. In particular they want to know if he ever sat a test before the drink driving arrest. Also the date he passed his test, and did he display an N plate while driving to the Dail.

https://img2.thejournal.ie/inline/2454656/original/?width=450&version=2454656

Do we ever learn in this country ? We are still dealing with aftermath of zealously pursuing people who had “sinned “ in their past .
I’m no fan of him or his politics but it is time to move on . The hangem and flogem brigade will never have enough though.

Dinzee Conlee · 06-07-2020 10:37pm

GNWoodd wrote: »

Do we ever learn in this country ? We are still dealing with aftermath of zealously pursuing people who had “sinned “ in their past .
I’m no fan of him or his politics but it is time to move on . The hangem and flogem brigade will never have enough though.

But should elected officials not be held to a higher standard?

carrollsno1 · 06-07-2020 10:38pm

Dinzee Conlee wrote: »

But should elected officials not be held to a higher standard?

Hard set to hold the religous organisations accountable at all so theyll hardly hold one of their own to a higher standard

Dinzee Conlee · 06-07-2020 10:47pm

carrollsno1 wrote: »

Hard set to hold the religous organisations accountable at all so theyll hardly hold one of their own to a higher standard

Oh, I know...

And there’s fcuk all we can do about it really, but I don’t think we should say ‘ah, sure it’s grand’ either...

carrollsno1 · 06-07-2020 10:55pm

Dinzee Conlee wrote: »

Oh, I know...

And there’s fcuk all we can do about it really, but I don’t think we should say ‘ah, sure it’s grand’ either...

Let he cast the first stone be without sin or something along those lines, if they are going to hang him out to dry let the rest of them be researched in detail and see if theres anymore skeletons in the closet.

Dinzee Conlee · 06-07-2020 11:06pm

carrollsno1 wrote: »

Let he cast the first stone be without sin or something along those lines, if they are going to hang him out to dry let the rest of them be researched in detail and see if theres anymore skeletons in the closet.

No, just let him lose the ministry and let it be a lesson to anyone who wants to be minister that they can’t be acting the bollox... that it will eventually catch up with them...

Say my name · 06-07-2020 11:11pm

Shur all the Greens smoke weed.

And the new Children's minister admires a paedophile.

ruwithme · 07-07-2020 1:43am

We vote them in. warts and all.
tis a dirty job as they say

Say my name · 07-07-2020 12:15pm

A bit of unashamedly virtue signalling!! :pac:

A good book to read is - Quality Agriculture, volume 1 by John Kempf.

It's done as each chapter is a question and answer conversation with a different farmer, educater, specialist.
It's very easy to read and a bit different.

dar31 · 07-07-2020 1:40pm

whelan2 wrote: »

I always wore dunlop purofort wellies. I bought a pair of Bekina wellies in March and a hole came in them yesterday. They were comfortable but back to puroforts today and back to stones getting stuck in the grips of them. Thought I'd get longer than 3 months out of the bekinas

Skellerup quatro insulated gumboots. On my first pair, got them last Dec. Slightly tighter fit around ankles, take a bit more effort to get off, but comfie as he'll. Never go back to other two brands.
Also used to have a problem with crap kicking up off the heel of wellies on to the back of my calves, trousers destroyed after 20 min down the yard. It has more or less stop in new wellies.
Worth the few quid extra

Limestone Cowboy · 07-07-2020 1:44pm

dar31 wrote: »

Skellerup quatro insulated gumboots. On my first pair, got them last Dec. Slightly tighter fit around ankles, take a bit more effort to get off, but comfie as he'll. Never go back to other two brands.
Also used to have a problem with crap kicking up off the heel of wellies on to the back of my calves, trousers destroyed after 20 min down the yard. It has more or less stop in new wellies.
Worth the few quid extra

I have a pair of them too, very comfy.

patsy_mccabe · 07-07-2020 3:09pm

dar31 wrote: »

Skellerup quatro insulated gumboots. On my first pair, got them last Dec. Slightly tighter fit around ankles, take a bit more effort to get off, but comfie as he'll. Never go back to other two brands.
Also used to have a problem with crap kicking up off the heel of wellies on to the back of my calves, trousers destroyed after 20 min down the yard. It has more or less stop in new wellies.
Worth the few quid extra

Where did you get them? When you spend so much time wearing them, worth getting the right pair.

dar31 · 07-07-2020 5:29pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Where did you get them? When you spend so much time wearing them, worth getting the right pair.

Gregg care think there is a few other online places that do them. Missus wears Aigle wellies and loves them but a bit too dear if going through a few pairs a year

_Brian · 07-07-2020 5:44pm

Rang a machinery dealer in north about a horse box .
He had three come on ahead.

Nearly two hours to get there.

God damn trailers were in bits. One rotten to the ground and two Freisan calves in pure muck in it.
One with hub missing and broken door
One broken ramp, wasn’t the size he said it was and four inches of calf scour in it.

Calves were in bits, no feed, no water, just muck. Was so shocked I never even looked to see if they were tagged.

Didn’t even go back to the office, looked at the trailers, got in the car and left.

At least it was a wet day wasted.

Total jokers !!

whelan2 · 07-07-2020 6:33pm

Lovely

_Brian · 07-07-2020 6:57pm

whelan2 wrote: »

Lovely

Day for it too.

Wildsurfer · 07-07-2020 7:50pm

whelan2 wrote: »

Lovely

So when you said you got a guy in to do the powerwashing to 'free up time to do other jobs' I thought you meant spread fertilizer, do up a cashflow budget, stuff like that!

whelan2 · 07-07-2020 8:08pm

Have been trying to book fai soccer camp for young lad all day. Site keeps crashing and when I went to log in earlier I was logged into someone account from Blarney git their email address etc. Total GDPR fook up. Site down now

kollegeknight · 07-07-2020 10:22pm

Went to Fota wildlife park and Blarney castle on the way yesterday. Great weather for it. It was a really enjoyable day. The lads were blown away by the forest and grounds at Blarney.

Glad it was yesterday and not today. It rained non stop here

carrollsno1 · 07-07-2020 10:26pm

kollegeknight wrote: »

Went to Fota wildlife park and Blarney castle on the way yesterday. Great weather for it. It was a really enjoyable day. The lads were blown away by the forest and grounds at Blarney.

Glad it was yesterday and not today. It rained non stop here

Rained all day at work today too thought i escaped it by moving to site tomorrow and spent the evening doing inductions only to find out were pushed back till Thursday, rain down for Tomorrow and were out all day in it lovely.

ruwithme · 07-07-2020 11:10pm

Surely Brian you could of saved yourself all that hassle (not to mention the diesel) and found yourself a horsey box closer to home. he must have being a republican? a unionist wouldn't have such thrash about him.

_Brian · 08-07-2020 6:19am

ruwithme wrote: »

Surely Brian you could of saved yourself all that hassle (not to mention the diesel) and found yourself a horsey box closer to home. he must have being a republican? a unionist wouldn't have such thrash about him.

Hard to get anywhere with a few boxes to see.
As for political/religious stuff, best keep clear of that up north, specially with the blood rising towards the 12th

_Brian · 08-07-2020 6:23am

Up simce 4.
Neighbors cattle on the lawn woke me. We went out to see about moving them to a field and they went mad, back down the lane to the road. Thankfully road was quiet. Seem to have gone in on another locals land but no gate to the road.
Wild, wild cattle only looked at every few days over the hedge so used to herding at all.

Lawn is ploughed, 15-20 cattle all 500kg plus make short work of a lawn after such wet day yesterday 😱

einn32 · 08-07-2020 9:28am

Driving in Melbourne to and from work I always pass a lot of cattle and sheep trucks going through the city. It got me wondering why they drive through the city as opposed to staying on the bypass. So I googled it. I found an article about people complaining about the ****e on the roads and one car owner even got the car sprayed in it! There is uproar over these trucks going through the city. The reason they use the city is because they need to bypass an underground tunnel. They found they were decapitating some livestock when they went through the tunnel. The cattle and sheep on the top deck can get their head up through the bars and out in to the open. Next thing they hit the tunnel and it's curtains!

Grueller · 08-07-2020 9:29am

_Brian wrote: »

Up simce 4.
Neighbors cattle on the lawn woke me. We went out to see about moving them to a field and they went mad, back down the lane to the road. Thankfully road was quiet. Seem to have gone in on another locals land but no gate to the road.
Wild, wild cattle only looked at every few days over the hedge so used to herding at all.

Lawn is ploughed, 15-20 cattle all 500kg plus make short work of a lawn after such wet day yesterday ðŸ˜±

Ah sh1te. Hard to fall out with a neighbour over it too.

Kevhog1988 · 08-07-2020 10:16am

_Brian wrote: »

Rang a machinery dealer in north about a horse box .
He had three come on ahead.

Nearly two hours to get there.

God damn trailers were in bits. One rotten to the ground and two Freisan calves in pure muck in it.
One with hub missing and broken door
One broken ramp, wasn’t the size he said it was and four inches of calf scour in it.

Calves were in bits, no feed, no water, just muck. Was so shocked I never even looked to see if they were tagged.

Didn’t even go back to the office, looked at the trailers, got in the car and left.

At least it was a wet day wasted.

Total jokers !!

Try Peter Hosey outside edenderry. All the stuff ive seen him sell has been in good order

_Brian · 08-07-2020 11:22am

Grueller wrote: »

Ah sh1te. Hard to fall out with a neighbour over it too.

Be no falling out.
I’ll fill the holes with sand and topsoil, they will level out fine.

His cattle wouldn’t be out much in fairness. Bachelor in his 70’s I’ll not start anything.

Funny, I was going to town last winter mad his horse was on the road on the dark. I herded her into his field bit there was no gate. I called up to his yard. “Did you not see the ****ing twine on the ground to pull across the gap” was what he said. A begrudgingly thanks when I was leaving.

Hard Knocks · 08-07-2020 11:36am

_Brian wrote: »

Be no falling out.
I’ll fill the holes with sand and topsoil, they will level out fine.

His cattle wouldn’t be out much in fairness. Bachelor in his 70’s I’ll not start anything.

Funny, I was going to town last winter mad his horse was on the road on the dark. I herded her into his field bit there was no gate. I called up to his yard. “Did you not see the ****ing twine on the ground to pull across the gap” was what he said. A begrudgingly thanks when I was leaving.

Fair play to you
Keep counting to 10 & walk

Kevhog1988 · 08-07-2020 12:11pm

Say my name wrote: »

Anyone want an island?

https://youtu.be/HGeCZQPTiUU

Not a tree nor shrub nor bit of shelter on it.

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/social-distancing-the-wild-way-private-55ac-island-guiding-at-e3500-ac-to-go-for-auction/

My Missus is from down there. I tried to cycle from Belmullet to Blacksod in January and only made it 6k outside the town with the weather. I wouldnt like to see the winds that would meet you on that Island. Theres a reason it was never inhabited

jimini0 · 08-07-2020 1:04pm

_Brian wrote: »

Be no falling out.
I’ll fill the holes with sand and topsoil, they will level out fine.

His cattle wouldn’t be out much in fairness. Bachelor in his 70’s I’ll not start anything.

Funny, I was going to town last winter mad his horse was on the road on the dark. I herded her into his field bit there was no gate. I called up to his yard. “Did you not see the ****ing twine on the ground to pull across the gap” was what he said. A begrudgingly thanks when I was leaving.

There was a thread on here awhile back. Are you sure you don't need a professional landscaper to do it? Then go down the legal route

MickeyShtyles · 08-07-2020 1:47pm

_Brian wrote: »

Rang a machinery dealer in north about a horse box .
He had three come on ahead.

Nearly two hours to get there.

God damn trailers were in bits. One rotten to the ground and two Freisan calves in pure muck in it.
One with hub missing and broken door
One broken ramp, wasn’t the size he said it was and four inches of calf scour in it.

Calves were in bits, no feed, no water, just muck. Was so shocked I never even looked to see if they were tagged.

Didn’t even go back to the office, looked at the trailers, got in the car and left.

At least it was a wet day wasted.

Total jokers !!

If ya want a tidy trailer, Hosey Trailers in Naas is the place to go.

**Edenderry....

Lady Haywire · 08-07-2020 1:52pm

I just found my fifth 4 leaf clover. Think it means I need to start looking forwards when I'm wandering around :pac:

_Brian · 08-07-2020 2:44pm

jimini0 wrote: »

There was a thread on here awhile back. Are you sure you don't need a professional landscaper to do it? Then go down the legal route

Ha, no thanks.

Thankfully no other damage done.
He was in sheepishly earlier as he is still missing some.

He had them shut in for a test first thing this morning. Lesson is stop relying on twine to keep gates closed 🙄, but I kept that nugget of wisdom to myself.

Single man in his mid 70’s, about 250acres of land, has planted about 80 within last few years. It’s a difficult time. He’s active enough but has nothing but the farm. So he keeps on farming. Has a sister local but she’s a bit older. Nephew about but never see him at all.
Sort of guy that gets trampled in a yard on his own or whatever and could be hours or days before someone notices.

forgottenhills · 08-07-2020 2:54pm

_Brian wrote: »

Rang a machinery dealer in north about a horse box .
He had three come on ahead.

Nearly two hours to get there.

God damn trailers were in bits. One rotten to the ground and two Freisan calves in pure muck in it.
One with hub missing and broken door
One broken ramp, wasn’t the size he said it was and four inches of calf scour in it.

Calves were in bits, no feed, no water, just muck. Was so shocked I never even looked to see if they were tagged.

Didn’t even go back to the office, looked at the trailers, got in the car and left.

At least it was a wet day wasted.

Total jokers !!

I'm sorry that you had that experience and total waste of your time.

If you are concerned about the welfare of those calves that you mentioned you can contact the Department of Agriculture in Northern Ireland with details at:

Ballykelly House
111 Ballykelly Road
Ballykelly
Limavady
BT49 9HP
Phone: 0300 200 7852

wrangler · 08-07-2020 2:59pm

forgottenhills wrote: »

I'm sorry that you had that experience and total waste of your time.

If you are concerned about the welfare of those calves that you mentioned you can contact the Department of Agriculture in Northern Ireland with details at:

Ballykelly House
111 Ballykelly Road
Ballykelly
Limavady
BT49 9HP
Phone: 0300 200 7852

I'd be disappointed that someone would leave those calves there without alerting the authorities.
Horrendous description anyway

_Brian · 08-07-2020 3:11pm

wrangler wrote: »

I'd be disappointed that someone would leave those calves there without alerting the authorities.
Horrendous description anyway

Didn’t say I did, didn’t say I didn’t follow it up.

I’d hate you to be disappointed, your continued happiness means soooo much to us all. 😉

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