HSE No Longer Allowed to Refer to Patients as "Love" or "Dear"

ohnonotgmail · 04-12-2018 12:27pm

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

The problem in my opinion is the fact that there is an official policy document regards the use of the words luv or pet.
It makes me die a little inside that humankind has become such utter spineless pondscum that anyone would think there needs to be some kind of regulation regarding this.
Only some ratfaced, snivelling little git would come up with something like this. Or some ADHD, OCD ballbag that needs to regulate the folding of socks down the last milimeter.
The problem with these people is that they have absolutely no magnificence in them.
We are becoming a generation of people that will go crying to mammy over every tiny thing.

Did you actually read the part of the report in question? There is no ban.

andekwarhola · 04-12-2018 12:31pm

Pierce Limited Gown wrote: »

So, it's a non-story and Newstalk either got it ass-ways or deliberately misled.

That said, it's still imperative that we exigently address the inherently oppressive narratvie of Power encapsulated in the imposturous nostrum of carer-patient dynamics.

KingofSheep · 04-12-2018 12:31pm

Alun wrote: »

Yes, there are other, arguably more important things that need doing, but these are orders of magnitude more difficult to fix. It would be ridiculous to suggest that the entire effort of the HSE be concentrated on fixing just one thing to the total exclusion of everything else in the mean time.

I mean, exactly how much time and effort went in to this decision? Probably an infinitely small amount compared to what might be needed for any of the larger problems.

Arguably? What sane argument can be made for saying the A&E mess is only arguably more important than this Love/Dear issue?

Most would agree that nowhere near the amount of resources would be put into the above issue when compared with what’s needed for bigger problems. But it’s the impression it gives to the public. It’s not like the HSE is covering itself in glory most of the time with the utterly unique way it appears to be run. At least be seen to have your priorities in order.

zell12 · 04-12-2018 12:33pm

ohnonotgmail · 04-12-2018 12:38pm

KingofSheep wrote: »

Arguably? What sane argument can be made for saying the A&E mess is only arguably more important than this Love/Dear issue?

Most would agree that nowhere near the amount of resources would be put into the above issue when compared with what’s needed for bigger problems. But it’s the impression it gives to the public. It’s not like the HSE is covering itself in glory most of the time with the utterly unique way it appears to be run. At least be seen to have your priorities in order.

you do realise it is possible for the HSE to look at several problems at the same time?

Alun · 04-12-2018 12:49pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

you do realise it is possible for the HSE to look at several problems at the same time?

My point exactly, but apparently it's only the "impression" the public have that matters.

cloudy90210 · 04-12-2018 12:50pm

Doesn't say they can't be called "Arsehole" does it?

cursai · 04-12-2018 12:56pm

Gibberish report anyway. Made by people trying to justify their jobs as 'think' staff. Probably at least sixty people over six months to do this report.

cloudy90210 · 04-12-2018 12:59pm

I do find it a bit weird when the cashier woman in Centra calls me "Pet". I'm 43 like

KingofSheep · 04-12-2018 12:59pm

Alun wrote: »

My point exactly, but apparently it's only the "impression" the public have that matters.

What impression of the HSE do you think the public has?

Alun · 04-12-2018 1:00pm

cursai wrote: »

Gibberish report anyway. Made by people trying to justify their jobs as 'think' staff. Probably at least sixty people over six months to do this report.

The "impression" I got was that he entire resources of the HSE were exclusively focussed on this one single issue for the last 5 years. I could be wrong of course.:rolleyes:

mcmoustache · 04-12-2018 1:01pm

Before I get all outraged and all that, can anyone confirm from whether this is an actual ban or whether this is just a suggestion of some sort?

I'd like to be informed before I end up being one of those permanently outraged, red-faced eejiits shouting "PC GONE MAD".

KingofSheep · 04-12-2018 1:01pm

Alun wrote: »

The "impression" I got was that he entire resources of the HSE were exclusively focussed on this one single issue for the last 5 years. I could be wrong of course.:rolleyes:

I don’t think anyone thinks that really. For what it’s worth I think it’s all a bit silly.

ohnonotgmail · 04-12-2018 1:04pm

mcmoustache wrote: »

Before I get all outraged and all that, can anyone confirm from whether this is an actual ban or whether this is just a suggestion of some sort?

I'd like to be informed before I end up being one of those permanently outraged, red-faced eejiits shouting "PC GONE MAD".

the one line in the report that brought about the OP is highlighted in the tweet. Entirely fake news.

https://mobile.twitter.com/colettebrowne/status/1069689822833532930

Old diesel · 04-12-2018 1:07pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Did you actually read the part of the report in question? There is no ban.

Yes exactly - the report talks about an issue - but doesm state an action to be taken - ie a ban.

I understand that the logic is to use say the patients name.

So "okay pet i will help you to the bathroom now".

Becomes "okay Maura I will help you to the bathroom now".

It's not a case of banning the use of "pet" or "my dear" etc - it's a case of it been considered better to use the patients name.

I also believe the real issue here isn't calling someone "pet" but instead nurses etc referring to a patient as "the cardiac patient in bed 1".*

When it would be better to say "Michael in bed 1"

*how much of an issue this actually is in Ireland I'm not sure but I've seen this been mentioned in a UK context

Corruptedmorals · 04-12-2018 1:24pm

If it is brought in, I hope it is not too strict. Doctors and ward nurses should be calling patients by their name..certainly I've never heard a doctor use anything else..but the likes of an A&E nurse run off their feet or catering/cleaning staff who chat away to multitudes of patients and who have no business reading charts should have leeway.

mcmoustache · 04-12-2018 1:29pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

the one line in the report that brought about the OP is highlighted in the tweet. Entirely fake news.

https://mobile.twitter.com/colettebrowne/status/1069689822833532930

So a part of the national media got the "PC GONE MAD" brigade foaming at the mouth again and outraged over nothing? I do wish they'd stop doing that. I know that they understand how easy it is to manipulate their audience and that there's an advertising incentive to do so but it's a bit lowbrow.

dr.fuzzenstein · 04-12-2018 2:03pm

mcmoustache wrote: »

Before I get all outraged and all that, can anyone confirm from whether this is an actual ban or whether this is just a suggestion of some sort?

I'd like to be informed before I end up being one of those permanently outraged, red-faced eejiits shouting "PC GONE MAD".

Well it is a bit PC gone mad. Be it just a suggestion or orders from above (clicks heels and salutes), it deserves to be slagged and the honorless p'taks who came up with this brainfart.

edit:
I'll stick with the classic "Call me anything you like, but don't call me late for dinner"

ohnonotgmail · 04-12-2018 2:06pm

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Well it is a bit PC gone mad. Be it just a suggestion or orders from above (clicks heels and salutes), it deserves to be slagged and the honorless p'taks who came up with this brainfart.

so suggesting that health care staff treat their patients as people is something to be slagged? what an interesting idea.

dr.fuzzenstein · 04-12-2018 2:09pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

so suggesting that health care staff treat their patients as people is something to be slagged? what an interesting idea.

So we're at the stage were people suggest that calling someone pet is akin to a Gestapo office referring to an inmate via their KZ registration number? Full dehumanisation?
Settle pettle.
And yes, it is a brainfart and if you find this opinion risible, good. People like you are part of the problem.

ohnonotgmail · 04-12-2018 2:11pm

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

So we're at the stage were people suggest that calling someone pet is akin to a Gestapo office referring to an inmate via their KZ registration number? Full dehumanisation?
Settle pettle.
And yes, it is a brainfart and if you find this opinion risible, good. People like you are part of the problem.

nobody has suggested anything of the sort but because the OP has been shown to be a ball of ****e you have to invent something to justify your outrage.

dr.fuzzenstein · 04-12-2018 2:17pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

so suggesting that health care staff treat their patients as people is something to be slagged? what an interesting idea.

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

nobody has suggested anything of the sort but because the OP has been shown to be a ball of ****e you have to invent something to justify your outrage.

The bit in bold. Would you get the fcuk away outta that. Seriously.
I mean what was that about outrage? If you were a patient would you complain you were treated inhumanely or dehumanised in any way if someone calls you petal?
Seriously, if that offends you, there's something wrong with the arrangement of the toys in your attic.

ohnonotgmail · 04-12-2018 2:21pm

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

The bit in bold. Would you get the fcuk away outta that. Seriously.
I mean what was that about outrage? If you were a patient would you complain you were treated inhumanely or dehumanised in any way if someone calls you petal?
Seriously, if that offends you, there's something wrong with the arrangement of the toys in your attic.

nobody has mentioned inhumanely or dehumanised. Again you are inventing outrage.

iamwhoiam · 04-12-2018 2:24pm

Thank god I nursed in a time when we could call the kids honey bunny , chicken , little monkey , sweetheart , gorgeous , or whatever suited them at that given moment .

dr.fuzzenstein · 04-12-2018 2:29pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

so suggesting that health care staff treat their patients as people is something to be slagged? what an interesting idea.

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

nobody has mentioned inhumanely or dehumanised. Again you are inventing outrage.

The bit in bold

ohnonotgmail · 04-12-2018 2:34pm

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

The bit in bold

calling somebody love or pet is not inhumane or dehumanising. It is patronising. you have to take everything to an extreme to justify your fake outrage.

dr.fuzzenstein · 04-12-2018 2:38pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

calling somebody love or pet is not inhumane or dehumanising. It is patronising. you have to take everything to an extreme to justify your fake outrage.

Well, I think it's sweet.

cloudy90210 · 04-12-2018 2:49pm

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Thank god I nursed in a time when we could call the kids honey bunny , chicken , little monkey , sweetheart , gorgeous , or whatever suited them at that given moment .

little monkey O.O

iamwhoiam · 04-12-2018 3:09pm

cloudy90210 wrote: »

little monkey O.O

Yep !! Some of them were !

vetinari · 04-12-2018 4:35pm

The thread is pretty eye opening. Even after being shown that the original news story was bull****, there's still some posters who can't let it go.
It's a fascinating insight into the deficiencies around public debate. Plenty of people have no interest in actually debating, they just want to keep an opinion, irrespective of the facts.

Andy From Sligo · 04-12-2018 4:47pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

This was fake news.

for the moment maybe - they more than likely testing the water and will introduce it down the line .. very soon most probably

Andy From Sligo · 04-12-2018 4:52pm

zell12 wrote: »

oooerrrr Matron! - I say!

Andy From Sligo · 04-12-2018 4:54pm

cloudy90210 wrote: »

I do find it a bit weird when the cashier woman in Centra calls me "Pet". I'm 43 like

what is she supposed to call you? - does she know your first name?

malinheader · 04-12-2018 4:54pm

Sorry dear we have no beds you will have to lye on a trolley tonight.
Sorry Mr Smith we have no beds you will have to lye on a trolley tonight.

Does this make it any better??

Andy From Sligo · 04-12-2018 4:56pm

mcmoustache wrote: »

Before I get all outraged and all that, can anyone confirm from whether this is an actual ban or whether this is just a suggestion of some sort?

I'd like to be informed before I end up being one of those permanently outraged, red-faced eejiits shouting "PC GONE MAD".

neither - its fake news apparently .. but you have permission to still blow off steam if you wish - I know I did when I first heard of it

Cienciano · 04-12-2018 5:00pm

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

The bit in bold. Would you get the fcuk away outta that. Seriously.
I mean what was that about outrage? If you were a patient would you complain you were treated inhumanely or dehumanised in any way if someone calls you petal?
Seriously, if that offends you, there's something wrong with the arrangement of the toys in your attic.

The only people complaining are you and the "pc gone mad" crowd. No one else cares.

jma · 04-12-2018 5:42pm

Flyer29 wrote: »

Easy to see why our health system is such a shambles when the people at the top of the ladder are wasting their time and energy on nonsense like this

Exactly!! Gob****es. What a joke!

Victor · 02-01-2019 8:31pm

One of the reasons you should address the patient by name.

https://twitter.com/legaladvice_txt/status/1080481927491141632

JohnMc1 · 03-01-2019 12:50am

Omackeral wrote: »

As per Newstalk bulletin this morning, all HSE staff have been banned from using these terms. I don't really give a fiddlers myself but wondering what others think? Do you think it promotes a more professional demeanour? Do you think it strips back a bit of the caring approach and makes it more of an impersonal and rigid experience. Tell me your thoughts pet.

Another case of the Left creating problems where there isn't any so they look like they're solving them.

Let the patient sort that out with their nurses if they prefer not to be referred to as "love", "dear",etc.

Andy From Sligo · 03-01-2019 12:52am

JohnMc1 wrote: »

Another case of the Left creating problems where there isn't any so they look like they're solving them.

Let the patient sort that out with their nurses if they prefer not to be referred to as "love", "dear",etc.

yep, I am sure the nurses / doctor will respect their wishes and address them properly as they wish - but yeah if there is no issue why create one!

20Cent · 03-01-2019 1:24am

There never was a ban or even a suggestion of a ban. There is a market now for "pc gone mad" stories which are mostly made up. They are spread by right leaning media to rile up the public.

Andy From Sligo · 03-01-2019 1:37am

20Cent wrote: »

There never was a ban or even a suggestion of a ban. There is a market now for "pc gone mad" stories which are mostly made up. They are spread by right leaning media to rile up the public.

well lets not mince the words - there was never a ban, no suggestion of a ban ... but would i be right in saying there was a suggestion of putting it into action and inserting it as a guideline? - if so, again why? - why change things / suggest things if (most of the time) the present system works?

Its almost like if the doctors and nurses start using real names when they address patients that all the other mistakes that happen in the medical profession will all melt away like magic because they are not using words like love, pet, dear and the like - which is complete and utter bollix

20Cent · 03-01-2019 1:51am

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

well lets not mince the words - there was never a ban, no suggestion of a ban ... but would i be right in saying there was a suggestion of putting it into action and inserting it as a guideline? - if so, again why? - why change things / suggest things if (most of the time) the present system works?

Its almost like if the doctors and nurses start using real names when they address patients that all the other mistakes that happen in the medical profession will all melt away like magic because they are not using words like love, pet, dear and the like - which is complete and utter bollix

No ban
No suggestion of a ban
No suggestion of inserting it as a guideline.
Nothing.

All made up.

HSE No Longer Allowed to Refer to Patients as "Love" or "Dear"

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