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N4 - Collooney to Castlebaldwin [open to traffic]

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    #62
    pillphil
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    But Andy from Sligo spent so long drawing that map...


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    #63
    marno21
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    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    I take it this scheme removes any possibility of an actual motorway between Dublin and Sligo?

    Motorway from Dublin to Sligo would never happen due to insufficient traffic volumes. Motorway to Longford and 2+2 thereafter. Sligo is a town with a railway and a 2+2 will more than suffice for cars


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    #64
    Kermit.de.frog
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    marno21 wrote: »
    Motorway from Dublin to Sligo would never happen due to insufficient traffic volumes. Motorway to Longford and 2+2 thereafter. Sligo is a town with a railway and a 2+2 will more than suffice for cars

    Is Mullingar up to motorway standard or would it have to be upgraded?


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    #65
    Donegal Storm
    Registered Users Posts: 2,023 ✭✭✭Donegal Storm


    Yeah 2+2 would be perfectly fine from Longford on, traffic always noticeably thins out after Longford. Once the Castlebaldwin section is done the N4 will be largely complete from a safe alignment point of view but Mullingar - Longford is increasingly bumper to bumper so definitely needs an upgrade.

    I'd argue that a Carrick bypass is the single most urgent project on the N4 but seemingly no real progress being made there, I spent 35 minutes in a 4km tailback into the town last Monday all caused by the mini roundabout by the bridge.
    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Is Mullingar up to motorway standard or would it have to be upgraded?

    There's a short section from south of Mullingar to Lough Owel thats 100kph DC due to inadequate junctions. I drive it frequently and while it'd be nice to see it upgraded I've never seen any issues with it so would place it well down in the list of priorities


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    #66
    marno21
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    Donegal Storm wrote: »
    Yeah 2+2 would be perfectly fine from Longford on, traffic always noticeably thins out after Longford. Once the Castlebaldwin section is done the N4 will be largely complete from a safe alignment point of view but Mullingar - Longford is increasingly bumper to bumper so definitely needs an upgrade.

    Between now and 2027 we are looking at Mullingar-Longford (hopefully Roosky), Carrick-on-Shannon to Dromod and Collooney-Castlebaldwin getting done. All that remains then as SC is Castlebaldwin-Boyle which could be 2+2 retrofitted quite cheaply.
    Donegal Storm wrote: »
    I'd argue that a Carrick bypass is the single most urgent project on the N4 but seemingly no real progress being made there, I spent 35 minutes in a 4km tailback into the town last Monday all caused by the mini roundabout by the bridge.

    Will hopefully go into planning in late 2018/early 2019.
    Donegal Storm wrote: »
    There's a short section from south of Mullingar to Lough Owel thats 100kph DC due to inadequate junctions. I drive it frequently and while it'd be nice to see it upgraded I've never seen any issues with it so would place it well down in the list of priorities

    It would be nice to see this upgraded to motorway quite cheaply as part of the Mullingar-Longford scheme to give continious motorway from Leixlip to Longford. Leixlip-Longford at 120km/h would take around 55 minutes which is a major plus for accessibility to the north west.


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    #67
    marno21
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    annfield1978 wrote: »
    D&B tender issued a few weeks ago, Tender Consultation Meetings ongoing. Award Stage should be September/ October
    Quality that. Less than a year for the tender process. If similar happens for the N5 & N22 projects we'll be laughing.


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    #68
    Paddico
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    Isnt this meant to be started this year?


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    #69
    highwaymaniac
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    Paddico wrote: »
    Isnt this meant to be started this year?

    Tenders are back, it should be awarded soon if not allready, I'd say construction will start in earnest Feb/March.


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    #70
    hondar
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    highwaymaniac wrote: »
    Tenders are back, it should be awarded soon if not allready, I'd say construction will start in earnest Feb/March.

    July, August earliest.


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    #71
    highwaymaniac
    Registered Users Posts: 208 ✭✭highwaymaniac


    hondar wrote: »
    July, August earliest.

    Care to elaborate?


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    #72
    hondar
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    highwaymaniac wrote: »
    Care to elaborate?

    July until August before construction will start.


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    #73
    highwaymaniac
    Registered Users Posts: 208 ✭✭highwaymaniac


    hondar wrote: »
    July until August before construction will start.

    I got that bit! Is this an opinion or do you have some more concrete information?


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    #74
    NedNew2
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concrete

    (Sorry, couldn't resist it)


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    #75
    spacetweek
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    The word is that it will start in the next 2 months.


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    #76
    highwaymaniac
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    spacetweek wrote: »
    The word is that it will start in the next 2 months.

    That's what I was assuming knowing the reputation of who has won it to hit the ground running.


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    #77
    BelfastVanMan
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    spacetweek wrote: »
    The word is that it will start in the next 2 months.

    Happy days.


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    #78
    hondar
    Registered Users Posts: 56 ✭✭hondar


    spacetweek wrote: »
    The word is that it will start in the next 2 months.

    The contract will be award in the next 2 months.work won't start tell next year.thats what Sligo County Council are saying.


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    #79
    RedDevil55
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    Slightly off topic but are there any plans to up the M4 to 3 lanes from Leixlip out to the Maynooth or Kilcock exit?

    It would relieve a lot of congestion at peak times and the space is there in the centre for the extra lanes. I think the only problem would be the bridge over the liffey where they would have to use the hard shoulder.

    Just looking on Google maps, it is approx 8km to Maynooth and 16km to Kilcock.


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    #80
    L1011
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    Maynooth exit is planned for the medium term


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    #81
    road_high
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    hondar wrote: »
    The contract will be award in the next 2 months.work won't start tell next year.thats what Sligo County Council are saying.

    I must have psssed this well over 12 months ago and swear it all looked fenced off and ready to proceed. I wish infrastructural projects here could just simply “get on with it”. It could be nearly finished if things had started then. Why must we constantly wait wait wait?


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    #82
    highwaymaniac
    Registered Users Posts: 208 ✭✭highwaymaniac


    road_high wrote: »
    I must have psssed this well over 12 months ago and swear it all looked fenced off and ready to proceed. I wish infrastructural projects here could just simply “get on with it”. It could be nearly finished if things had started then. Why must we constantly wait wait wait?

    Site Investigation, Archaeological advance works, Utility Diversions, Public Procurement, Legal Challenges to name but a few, but still TII should be using Early Contractor Involvement (ECI) contracts a lot more.


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    #83
    hondar
    Registered Users Posts: 56 ✭✭hondar


    road_high wrote: »
    I must have psssed this well over 12 months ago and swear it all looked fenced off and ready to proceed. I wish infrastructural projects here could just simply “get on with it”. It could be nearly finished if things had started then. Why must we constantly wait wait wait?

    It's been fenced off for a few years.funding was not available.it's not going to start as soon as a lot of people think it will.


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    #84
    Donegal Storm
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    road_high wrote: »
    I must have psssed this well over 12 months ago and swear it all looked fenced off and ready to proceed. I wish infrastructural projects here could just simply “get on with it”. It could be nearly finished if things had started then. Why must we constantly wait wait wait?

    Everything seems to move at an absolute snails pace these days, looking back at the 2000-2010 period its amazing what was achieved in road building when you compare it to now.


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    #85
    veryangryman
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    Saw a sign up last week for Advance notice of road works near Collooney on N4. Is this the long awaited or just some minor sh1te


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    #86
    MayoSalmon
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    Donegal Storm wrote: »
    Everything seems to move at an absolute snails pace these days, looking back at the 2000-2010 period its amazing what was achieved in road building when you compare it to now.

    Ireland is the fifth highest indebted sovereign nation in Europe, after Greece, Italy, Portugal, and Belgium.


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    #87
    Cookiemunster
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    MayoSalmon wrote: »
    Ireland is the fifth highest indebted sovereign nation in Europe, after Greece, Italy, Portugal, and Belgium.

    People are very quick to forget this. It's as if no lessons were learnt at all in the last decade. Just throwing money at things is what got us into the whole mess in the first place.


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    #88
    marno21
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    Cookiemunster wrote: »
    People are very quick to forget this. It's as if no lessons were learnt at all in the last decade. Just throwing money at things is what got us into the whole mess in the first place.

    I would argue the difference between funding infrastructure projects like this with positive cost benefit rations and proven benefits as opposed to consistently throwing money into sinkholes like the extra funding for the HSE next year when it's been repeatedly proven that it won't solve anything

    Apart from a minor increase in capital funding next year, most spending increases in the budget were towards the usual social welfare and health measures.

    I will totally agree that it's a disgrace that next years budget isn't in surplus but that's not the fault of roadbuilding


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    #89
    Donegal Storm
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    MayoSalmon wrote: »
    Ireland is the fifth highest indebted sovereign nation in Europe, after Greece, Italy, Portugal, and Belgium.

    More speaking of the long rambling planning/appeals and procurement processes, it seems to take a monumental effort just to get a project started recently


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    #90
    road_high
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    MayoSalmon wrote: »
    Ireland is the fifth highest indebted sovereign nation in Europe, after Greece, Italy, Portugal, and Belgium.

    But still well able to squander multiples of millions on welfare bonuses- it’s the spending priorities and focus that are all wrong. The economy actually generates a healthy tax revenue its what’s being done with it that boggles me


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    #91
    BelfastVanMan
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    Hardly squandering to the poor folk that need it...many things are just as important.


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