Intellectual Dark Web

Veritas Libertas · 21-09-2019 12:22am

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

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Could you please answer this question from earlier? I noticed you ignored it and answered a question posed to another poster instead.

Veritas Libertas wrote: »

Timbah's biggest argument seems to be that Dave Rubin is gate-way to the alt-right, would you or anyone else that has watched Timbah's video agree with this?

Junkyard Tom · 21-09-2019 12:22am

Veritas Libertas wrote: »

Duh duh duh duh exactly the same as the video I posted about the late night comics under Stewart.Why are we going backwards?

Okay.. you dismiss the Timbah exposition on Rubin. You then ask for a summary of the video only to dismiss that too and refer to some other video I haven't watched and have no interest in watching.

You're a Rubin fanboy - that's cool and all but don't try to sell yourself as some honest debater because you're not. As I said earlier in the thread - this is a waste of time.

"The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it".

Alberto Brandolini

Veritas Libertas · 21-09-2019 12:24am

20Cent wrote: »

They do. They constantly go on about how they can't say what they really think or that some topic is "off limits". If you want to discuss controversial topics then criticism etc is to be expected. Put on some big boy pants suck it up.

I'm all for criticism when controversial topics are discussed. I welcome it and cherish it.

I draw the line at smears, surely you must see the difference?

Is it possible to want less immigration without being a racist?

Veritas Libertas · 21-09-2019 12:25am

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Okay.. you dismiss the Timbah exposition on Rubin. You then ask for a summary of the video only to dismiss that too and refer to some other video I haven't watched and have no interest in watching.

You're a Rubin fanboy - that's cool and all but don't try to sell yourself as some honest debater because you're not. As I said earlier in the thread - this is a waste of time.

"The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it".

Alberto Brandolini

Yes I dismiss a lot of the criticism that Timbah throws at Dave. This criticism could be thrown at any type of media today, like the example I gave of late-night-comics.

Could you please answer this question I noticed you missed it:

Veritas Libertas wrote: »

Timbah's biggest argument seems to be that Dave Rubin is gate-way to the alt-right, would you or anyone else that has watched Timbah's video agree with this?

I've have answered every question you posed to me. I would hope for the same in return, but alas not so.

20Cent · 21-09-2019 12:29am

Veritas Libertas wrote: »

I'm all for criticism when controversial topics are discussed. I welcome it and cherish it.

I draw the line at smears, surely you must see the difference?

Is it possible to want less immigration without being a racist?

Of course.
Don't get triggered by tweets and comments then.

Veritas Libertas · 21-09-2019 12:31am

20Cent wrote: »

Of course.
Don't get triggered by tweets and comments then.

I've been called a lot worse on these very boards.

Apparently I have a problem with women, because I call domestic violence not a gendered issue.
Is that acceptable discourse in your eyes?

20Cent · 21-09-2019 12:33am

Veritas Libertas wrote: »

I've been called a lot worse on these very boards.

Apparently I have a problem with women, because I call domestic violence not a gendered issue.
Is that acceptable discourse in your eyes?

Was referring to the igw not u.

Veritas Libertas · 21-09-2019 12:36am

20Cent wrote: »

Was referring to the igw not u.

Christina Hoff-Sommers(member of IDW) was denounced by the Southern Poverty Law Centre as an 'enabler of male supremacy' because of her opposition to radical feminism.

Do you think this is fair? She describes herself as feminist, "The Factual Feminist"

She is also a 'female supremacist' according to some MRA groups.

I think it's difficult to simultaneously be a female and male supremacist, I guess she just loves people kind.

(The SPLC website listed above about 'male supremacy' lists Erin Pizzey as an MRA... I had to laugh so hard. She started the first domestic abuse shelter in the world for women. Erin is probably the most maligned person in the IDW- Male supremacist... hahhahahahahhahah)

20Cent · 21-09-2019 1:08am

Veritas Libertas wrote: »

Christina Hoff-Sommers(member of IDW) was denounced by the Southern Poverty Law Centre as an 'enabler of male supremacy' because of her opposition to radical feminism.

Do you think this is fair? She describes herself as feminist, "The Factual Feminist"

She is also a 'female supremacist' according to some MRA groups.

I think it's difficult to simultaneously be a female and male supremacist, I guess she just loves people kind.

(The SPLC website listed above about 'male supremacy' lists Erin Pizzey as an MRA... I had to laugh so hard. She started the first domestic abuse shelter in the world for women. Erin is probably the most maligned person in the IDW- Male supremacist... hahhahahahahhahah)

Never heard of her.

Dave_The_Sheep · 21-09-2019 1:16am

Why are you people taking OP seriously? It's obvious what's going on. Just ignore them.

Veritas Libertas · 21-09-2019 1:17am

20Cent wrote: »

Never heard of her.

She is a lovely person. Probably one of the most timid, articulate, intelligent and pleasant people you'll ever see.

She gets unfairly smeared for things she doesn't actually say just like all the people in the IDW.

Its not about being oppressed. Its about having what you say unfairly mis-represented.

Please take a look at this short 4minute clip of the type of thing that she does.

Veritas Libertas · 21-09-2019 1:21am

Dave_The_Sheep wrote: »

Why are you people taking OP seriously? It's obvious what's going on. Just ignore them.

What are you talking about?

Since it's so obvious why don't you form the argument and present it? Or would you prefer to smear from a sedentary position?

Who's them? I believe I'm pretty much on my own here.

Hego Damask · 21-09-2019 1:31am

Veritas Libertas wrote: »

I have been following these people for quite sometime, so it really just clicked with me when Bari Weiss released the article in the NYT mentioning them as 'the Intellectual Dark Web'.
Eric Weinstein

Ayaan Hirsi Ali

Sam Harris

Claire Lehmann

Douglas Murray

Maajid Nawaz

Jordan Peterson

Steven Pinker

Joe Rogan

Dave Rubin

Ben Shapiro

Lindsay Shepherd

Michael Shermer

Brett Weinstein

They are mostly a collection of disillusioned liberals looking for a place to have honest conversation about things that others aren't willing to have. They do not form alliances based on their identities or tribal affiliation.

As soon as the Intellectual Dark Web (IDW) appeared (Bari Weiss NYT), so did accusations that its members are all closed-minded and politically partisan.

What do liberals have against this eclectic bunch of individuals?
They are not getting any hate from the right.

In particular Dave Rubin a fully fledged gay leftie, bordering on socialist, nicest guy in the world, willing to have a conversation with anybody, yet the vitriol he receives(from the left) is quite disgusting.

These are all rock sensible individuals that the MSM will just smear as Nazis and white supremacists - total joke, they are just insuring Trump will win again in 2020.

Dave_The_Sheep · 21-09-2019 1:34am

Veritas Libertas wrote: »

Who's them? I believe I'm pretty much on my own here.

Them can refer to a singlular person, for example, I don't know your gender so I can't say him or her, so I say them. I realise this is a tough one.

And I'm sure you believe a lot of things, frankly.

Veritas Libertas · 21-09-2019 1:37am

Hego Damask wrote: »

These are all rock sensible individuals that the MSM will just smear as Nazis and white supremacists - total joke, they are just insuring Trump will win again in 2020.

I only argue that they are unfairly maligned. Other people put words into their mouths and then argue with that strawman. Just like is going on in this thread time and again.

I admit most of these guys have faults, some more glaring than others. Just like most humans have faults they are not perfect. Doesn't stop me agreeing with them on issues that are anti- politically correct. That's especially when they get maligned.

Most of them don't/wouldn't even vote for Trump. I believe what they are doing is helping the left in the long run more so than anything else.

Veritas Libertas · 21-09-2019 1:41am

Dave_The_Sheep wrote: »

Them can refer to a singlular person, for example, I don't know your gender so I can't say him or her, so I say them. I realise this is a tough one.

And I'm sure you believe a lot of things, frankly.

So you using them to refer to me, fair enough I have no problems with what pronoun you use for me, just as long as I know so there is no confusion- good stuff.

Could you please answer this question from earlier, it seems you have missed it.

Dave_The_Sheep wrote: »

Why are you people taking OP seriously? It's obvious what's going on. Just ignore them.

Since it's so obvious why don't you form the argument and present it? Or would you prefer to smear from a sedentary position?

Hego Damask · 21-09-2019 1:43am

Veritas Libertas wrote: »

I only argue that they are unfairly maligned. Other people put words into their mouths and then argue with that strawman. Just like is going on in this thread time and again.

I admit most of these guys have faults, some more glaring than others. Just like most humans have faults they are not perfect. Doesn't stop me agreeing with them on issues that are anti- politically correct. That's especially when they get maligned.

Most of them don't/wouldn't even vote for Trump. I believe what they are doing is helping the left in the long run more so than anything else.

Well yeah but the likes of Junkyard Tom support Islamic extremism so I wouldn't pay much heed

Dave_The_Sheep · 21-09-2019 1:46am

Veritas Libertas wrote: »

Could you please answer this question from earlier, it seems you have missed it.

No, I read it. I just don't care to reply, or engage with you on the topics you want. Like I said, it's clear what's going on.

You're not arguing in good faith, as evidenced by many, many of your replies in this thread (and before you ask, no I can't be arsed quoting them). I also won't be replying to you again.

When you inevitably post in response, declaring me unable to reply because I have no arguments and yourself victorious, enjoy it.

Veritas Libertas · 21-09-2019 1:49am

Dave_The_Sheep wrote: »

No, I read it. I just don't care to reply, or engage with you on the topics you want. Like I said, it's clear what's going on.

You're not arguing in good faith, as evidenced by many, many of your replies in this thread (and before you ask, no I can't be arsed quoting them). I also won't be replying to you again.

When you inevitably post in response, declaring me unable to reply because I have no arguments and yourself victorious, enjoy it.

This whole thread and the IDW is about precisely this. People making laughable claims about people without evidence. Your hilarity knows no bounds, well played sir!:pac:

Veritas Libertas · 21-09-2019 1:50am

Hego Damask wrote: »

Well yeah but the likes of Junkyard Tom support Islamic extremism so I wouldn't pay much heed

Jesus..Could you direct me there, sounds like an interesting discussion

The Floyd p · 21-09-2019 1:57am

Dave_The_Sheep wrote: »

Why are you people taking OP seriously? It's obvious what's going on. Just ignore them.

About 55% of the posts in this thread are OP trying to defend their hilarious position. You can suck off all these idiots all you want, but most sensible people couldn't give two shíts what Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson have to say. They're manipulative cúnts.

Veritas Libertas · 21-09-2019 2:00am

The Floyd p wrote: »

About 55% of the posts in this thread are OP trying to defend their hilarious position. You can suck off all these idiots all you want, but most sensible people couldn't give two shíts what Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson have to say. They're manipulative cúnts.

Nice; go for the low hanging fruit.

What exactly have you got to say about Eric Weinstein?

He regularly gets straw-manned. Heres a recent tweet from 10hours ago

https://twitter.com/EricRWeinstein/status/1175061226738438145/photo/1

https://twitter.com/EricRWeinstein/status/1175061226738438145/photo/1

So I was open to exposing protest singer and cultural icon @billybragg and his claims against me to my audience. I was willing in exchange to go onto his stage (where he has home court advantage) to show HIS audience that he was strawmanning me. It was not to be. Door still open.

Veritas Libertas · 21-09-2019 2:09am

Apparently the Bragg-Weinstein debate is in fact... on!

Look forward to it the next time Bragg is in Los Angeles, I'll certainly post it up if and when it happens.

Stop playing to the gallery Eric. You responded to my criticism by inviting me onto your podcast. I’m happy to accept if that offer is still open.

Stephen William Bragg is an English singer-songwriter and left-wing activist.

Veritas Libertas · 21-09-2019 2:16am

The Floyd p wrote: »

About 55% of the posts in this thread are OP trying to defend their hilarious position.

What hilarious position(s)?

55% it should be easy to prove what you're saying.

Would you consider yourself a left-wing activist?

The Floyd p · 21-09-2019 2:20am

LMAO the idea that these fools dress it up as solidarity is the funniest part of all. It's faux politeness, much like the sealioning mentioned earlier.
A lot of the time people are just not interested in listening to this drivel. It doesn't mean that they're trembling at the might of high IQ and superior wit, just that it's really not worth their time.

Based on your account and how quickly you're accumulating posts in one forum only, this has the feelings of a work. If you're actually legitimate, I wish you get the help you clearly need. Truly.

Veritas Libertas · 21-09-2019 2:32am

The Floyd p wrote: »

LMAO the idea that these fools dress it up as solidarity is the funniest part of all. It's faux politeness, much like the sealioning mentioned earlier.
A lot of the time people are just not interested in listening to this drivel. It doesn't mean that they're trembling at the might of high IQ and superior wit, just that it's really not worth their time.

Based on your account and how quickly you're accumulating posts in one forum only, this has the feelings of a work. If you're actually legitimate, I wish you get the help you clearly need. Truly.

Roll around in mud all you like mate, I ain't playing with you in there.

Dave_The_Sheep · 21-09-2019 2:38am

The Floyd p wrote: »

About 55% of the posts in this thread are OP trying to defend their hilarious position. You can suck off all these idiots all you want, but most sensible people couldn't give two shíts what Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson have to say. They're manipulative cúnts.

If replying to you is anything to go by, it's more like 70%.

Veritas Libertas · 21-09-2019 2:43am

Dave_The_Sheep wrote: »

If replying to you is anything to go by, it's more like 70%.

Looks like you two should get a room together where you can talk about 'what it is' I'm doing, since neither of you are inclined to answer any questions around here and prefer instead to smear mud in a conversation you have proven you know nothing about.

Answer the question: What is it I'm doing around here? You already stated it was obvious. It's not my talking points it's yours.

Veritas Libertas · 21-09-2019 2:49am

Funny thing the whole reason the IDW exists is because of the tactics posters like Dave_The_sheep and The_floyd_p use.

Could they could just engage in proper dialogue on a discussion board of all places, is that really expecting too much? Nowadays, yes!

You two sound like the Emperor's new clothes salesman. Everyone knows it's so obvious! But I'm not showing you! nanannana! Children

The weavers are con-men who convince the emperor they are using a fine fabric invisible to anyone who is either unfit for his position or "hopelessly stupid"

Veritas Libertas · 21-09-2019 3:58am

Timbah.on.Toast the creator of said video about Dave Rubin, declares Rubin's biggest crime as follows:

However, the guests aren’t the problem, and never were. Its Dave’s deceptive approach to interviewing.

This is what forced him to make 3hours+ of content about Dave Rubin. Apparently this is what causes all the hate.

Please for anyone that believes this Timbah guy deserves credibility (since you might not know Rubin, and take his opinion as gospel)
Look at his take of the James/Luna Younger case which is the only other video he has on his channel.

Not only is he a left-wing activist, but a far one at that. One of the most absurd cases of PC left politics to date. A Texan mother is attempting to force a happy, cisgendered boy into becoming a girl, even after he made it clear he identifies as male.

Timbah spins it as the mother is enduring great hardship just so her transgender kid can be happy. I'm not making this up. I'm not sure if he's that stupid that he thinks anyone doubts the mother's intentions, it shouldn't distract from the fact that she's trying to give puberty blockers to her baby boy!

Enjoining Father from engaging in non-affinning behavior and/or taking Luna outside the home as James, or allowing others to do so.

It is, ultimately, really hard to figure if this statement is an evil or misguided mother attempting to prevent a sane and reasonable father from protecting his cisgender son, or a transphobic, bigoted father, and a mother protecting her transgender daughter.

But Timbah sure knows.

Oh it looks like Timbah also has a patreon account. I guess that makes him a grifter.

Veritas Libertas · 21-09-2019 6:22am

Douglas Murray does an interview with Sky Australia about his new book "The Madness of Crowds".
In case anyone is curious, I'm not Australian either.

These are all issues that are really important which we've become incapable of thinking or speaking about, because we're told we must agree to set of narrow new orthodoxies - or you're toast.
LGBT (especially the T)

Race

Feminism

-Douglas Murray

Morgans · 21-09-2019 6:31am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvjHn6QEgh4

I'm glad some people have watched and liked the video. Im happy that Veritas Libertas is hanging himself throughout this thread. The video is a great example of the grift. It is clear that plenty dont want to watch it - Timbah on Toast has two videos on the internet - one a long three piece series on Dave Rubin and this. You can see how much he researches his topic, and if he is a grifter, he is a very poor one.

Whether it is Eric Weinstein and Peter Thiel, Dave Rubin and the koch(s), these people do not stray from their paymasters.

Anyway, watch the above video, see if you think it is biased or treated unfairly, and you will see who is more credible - the version that Veritas Libertas (and why he wont watch the video, yet be so invested in this) or the one presented by Timbah on Toast.

Veritas Libertas · 21-09-2019 6:39am

Morgans wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvjHn6QEgh4

I'm glad some people have watched and liked the video. Im happy that Veritas Libertas is hanging himself throughout this thread. The video is a great example of the grift. It is clear that plenty dont want to watch it - Timbah on Toast has two videos on the internet - one a long three piece series on Dave Rubin and this. You can see how much he researches his topic, and if he is a grifter, he is a very poor one.

Whether it is Eric Weinstein and Peter Thiel, Dave Rubin and the koch(s), these people do not stray from their paymasters.

Anyway, watch the above video, see if you think it is biased or treated unfairly, and you will see who is more credible - the version that Veritas Libertas (and why he wont watch the video, yet be so invested in this) or the one presented by Timbah on Toast.

You're acting like a charlatan. You introduce a video, and just keep saying refer to video like it's gospel. I guess you are easily influence and can't think for yourself.

The best arguments from the video:
He's a 'gate-way' to the alt-right
His interview style is not correct

You won't sum that up yourself because you know how weak the arguments are.

Everyone is a grifter, your beloved Timbah is a grifter too. To use that argument is the height of hypocritical. Tell me one person who does podcasts not for money. They all have patreon accounts. Everyone trying to deliver news/information is usually also trying to make money big shock.

That's the best argument you have as well other than to smear me.

You are what the IDW are talking about, without people employing the tactics you are using in this very thread they would not even be a thing.

You failed to mention the video Timbah has about the the mother who was struggling against the world to fight for the rights of her transexual child.

Morgans · 21-09-2019 6:42am

Why not talk about how the Muslims are going to destroy European values? Douglas Murray's book - The Strange Death of Europe. Or The Bell Curve which states that blacks are less intelligent. Of course, all up Sam Harris's/Stefan Molyneux's alley. How dare anyone think my ideas are racist?

It is interesting, having watched Timbah on Toasts video on Dave Rubin, how Sam Harris starts his podcast with the very same tactic - this person is controversial and has been unfairly maligned online, but if you agree with them, thats on you. Very effective. If you are sensible you will be able to see though this.

Morgans · 21-09-2019 6:43am

Veritas Libertas wrote: »

You're acting like a charlatan. You introduce a video, and just keep saying refer to video like it's gospel. I guess you are easily influence and can't think for yourself.

The best arguments from the video:
He's a 'gate-way' to the alt-right
His interview style is not correct

You won't sum that up yourself because you know how weak the arguments are.

Anyone who has watched the video wouldnt claim that.

Veritas Libertas · 21-09-2019 6:46am

Morgans wrote: »

Why not talk about how the Muslims are going to destroy European values? Douglas Murray's book - The Strange Death of Europe. Or The Bell Curve which states that blacks are less intelligent. Of course, all up Sam Harris's/Stefan Molyneux's alley. How dare anyone think my ideas are racist?

It is interesting, having watched Timbah on Toasts video on Dave Rubin, how Sam Harris starts his podcast with the very same tactic - this person is controversial and has been unfairly maligned online, but if you agree with them, thats on you. Very effective. If you are sensible you will be able to see though this.

You are absolutely full of strawmen.

You make arguments vaguely similar to the ones being made, but you either massively distract from, or omit large chunks of crucial information. It is clear you're doing this on purpose to achieve an aim....

Could you steel man the arguments instead, or would you prefer I did?

That's what I learned from Sam Harris, how to steel-man anoher persons argument. I have found it a very useful tool in debate and thinking in general. You should definitely try it sometime!

Morgans · 21-09-2019 6:47am

Veritas Libertas wrote: »

You're acting like a charlatan. You introduce a video, and just keep saying refer to video like it's gospel. I guess you are easily influence and can't think for yourself.

The best arguments from the video:
He's a 'gate-way' to the alt-right
His interview style is not correct

You won't sum that up yourself because you know how weak the arguments are.

Everyone is a grifter, your beloved Timbah is a grifter too. To use that argument is the height of hypocritical. Tell me one person who does podcasts not for money. They all have patreon accounts. Everyone trying to deliver news/information is usually also trying to make money big shock.

That's the best argument you have as well other than to smear me.

You are what the IDW are talking about, without people employing the tactics you are using in this very thread they would not even be a thing.

You failed to mention the video Timbah has about the the mother who was struggling against the world to fight for the rights of her transexual child.

Ah, the projection. I'm the charlatan, I treat some online vlogger as gospel. I'm smearing you.

Why haven't you watched the video?

Veritas Libertas · 21-09-2019 6:52am

Morgans wrote: »

Ah, the projection. I'm the charlatan, I treat some online vlogger as gospel. I'm smearing you.

Why haven't you watched the video?

I did watch the video, and I've already asked questions relating to the video that no one is happy to answer, can you?

Veritas Libertas wrote: »

Timbah's biggest argument seems to be that Dave Rubin is gate-way to the alt-right, would you or anyone else that has watched Timbah's video agree with this?

Morgans wrote: »

Anyone who has watched the video wouldnt claim that.

Well I watched the video and I made that claim.. it seems we're at an impasse. Balls in your court; why don't you list the charges Timbah made that are accurate?

Timbah himself said his biggest criticism of Rubin was:

However, the guests aren’t the problem, and never were. Its Dave’s deceptive approach to interviewing.

Veritas Libertas · 21-09-2019 7:01am

Morgans wrote: »

Why haven't you watched the video?

Morgans wrote: »

Timbah on Toast has two videos on the internet - one a long three piece series on Dave Rubin and this.

Clearly you are not aware of this video

Its much more illuminating with regard to Timbah's style of argumentation.

Morgans · 21-09-2019 7:02am

I don't believe that you watched any of the videos. I think you are lying. I believe anyone who does watch the videos would feel the same.

I also lied about Douglas Murray's past work. You also didn't spot it, and rather than pull me up on it (it was Charles Murray who wrote the Bell Curve BTW), you decided to say that I wasn't providing context. Good work. Watch out for more of those.

Veritas Libertas · 21-09-2019 7:05am

Morgans wrote: »

I don't believe that you watched any of the videos. I think you are lying. I believe anyone who does watch the videos would feel the same.

Blah blah blah put up or shut up. I watched the video.

The reason you won't give the arguments because they are weak. You know it and I know you can't prove me wrong since I've seen the video.
I fear you are appealing to the 'crowd'.

I also lied about Douglas Murray's past work. You also didn't spot it, and rather than pull me up on it (it was Charles Murray who wrote the Bell Curve BTW), you decided to say that I wasn't providing context. Good work. Watch out for more of those

Fantastic gotcha! You really got me. You win supreme victor, I bow to your masterdom.

When I debate Christians, Jews, Creationists, climate deniers etc. they are unfailingly polite, respectful, thoughtful, discerning, & listen to my arguments. Far Left SJWs do not. They simply look for fault & pounce.-Michael Shermer

Why not answer my questions instead? I asked you can you steelman the weak strawman you created, or would you prefer I would?

Sorry !!! All this time I realized I've been referring to a concept you're probably not familiar with:

A straw man is a misrepresentation of someone's position or argument that is easy to defeat: a "steel man" is an improvement of someone's position or argument that is harder to defeat than their originally stated position or argument.

Veritas Libertas · 21-09-2019 7:16am

Morgans wrote: »

I think you are lying.

Instead of posting up a list proving me wrong, you prefer to sit and call me a liar from a sedentary position where your opinions are unknown.

That's why the IDW exist and are growing in power.

The left demand the privilege to decide their own labels and the privilege of labelling everyone else.

21-09-2019 8:29am

Veritas Libertas wrote: »

Its not just social media and its not just the IDW. There are numerous subjects that there is a stigma attached to talking about.
Immigration-racist

Feminism-Misogynist

Islam-Racist

Just look to these boards, anytime someone tries to criticize currently policies surrounding these subjects are duly called racists and misogynists.

Were you not here a while ago on another account claiming to be half Asian and adopted. If not ye have a very similar script of arguments.

Morgans · 21-09-2019 9:02am

Veritas Libertas wrote: »

Instead of posting up a list proving me wrong, you prefer to sit and call me a liar from a sedentary position where your opinions are unknown.

That's why the IDW exist and are growing in power.

You have just posted that "I must not be aware of a video"

That particular video that I am not aware of is the one I posted initially and has been commented on my a few in this thread. You haven't watched it and you are a liar/troll. It certainly doesn't make the point you seem to think it makes.

Thankfully you aren't good at this game and the more you continue, the less credit you are doing for what you are trying to promote.

Also, why are you continually quoting yourself?

hullaballoo · 21-09-2019 5:03pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Yeah. We are such a regressive society. We have gay marriage, we have a gay man from immigrant descent as head of government, we have legalised abortion, it is illegal to discriminate on grounds of religion, race etc.

Yes, these had to be fought for, but what has that got to do with the perceived "white privilege" that you assume I have. Are black people not allowed attend school?

In a country that Catholicism is the most common religion, it makes sense that there is a demand for catholic primary schools. There are however educate together schools for people who don't want to go there.

Same as able bodied children. Thankfully, most kids are able bodied so there are more teachers equipped to teach able bodied children. There are however specially trained teachers that are trained specifically to deal with autistic children.

How many travellers want to become a barrister? Are the same avenues not open for them if they wanted it? We have no transgendered, midget, Asian barristers either. I think we should fight for that too!

I can't tell whether you are advocating for a 100% inheritance tax but even the idea of it is ridiculous. People work their whole lives to be able to provide for their children when they are gone.

There will always be persistent poverty in all societies, but we have one of the most generous social welfare systems in the world.

You are advocating that people should be discriminated against in order to stop discrimination. That is ridiculous. For example, if your child was sick, would you want him to be operated on by the best person for the job, or a black woman, who while not as qualified or competent as the white male candidate, jot the job anyway as they had to fill their quotas?

Just on the barrister point, there are travellers who have become barristers, as well as people of many different ethnicities and heritages. There are many barristers who suffer from disabilities. I am from a poor single-parent family and grew up in a working class estate in Bray.

I would not for a second say that there are no barriers to entry for the profession as it's financially very difficult. And yeah, some people are better connected because of family ties to the profession etc.

I'm just making the point that there are in fact barristers of many, many different backgrounds.

cdgalwegian · 21-09-2019 6:21pm

https://areomagazine.com/2018/08/21/what-the-intellectual-dark-web-can-learn-from-orwell/
"What the Intellectual Dark Web Can Learn from Orwell."

Interesting article that puts IDW's raison d'etre in a positive light, but warns of it's hypocritical Orwellian impulses.

(https://en.everybodywiki.com/Areo_Magazine
"Areo has been described as "a liberal website that eschews the excesses and authoritarianism of the Regressive Left" by Professor Jerry Coyne[15]")

Veritas Libertas · 22-09-2019 2:42am

hullaballoo wrote: »

Just on the barrister point, there are travellers who have become barristers, as well as people of many different ethnicities and heritages. There are many barristers who suffer from disabilities. I am from a poor single-parent family and grew up in a working class estate in Bray.

I would not for a second say that there are no barriers to entry for the profession as it's financially very difficult. And yeah, some people are better connected because of family ties to the profession etc.

I'm just making the point that there are in fact barristers of many, many different backgrounds.

I think you have(inadvertently?) alluded to another good point, most of the barriers to social progress/justice are in fact hindered by cronyism and corruption, rather than the 'patriarchy' and white supremacists. Identity politics is largely a distraction.

I believe this is a topic the IDW also like to discuss.

Veritas Libertas · 22-09-2019 3:23am

cdgalwegian wrote: »

Interesting article that puts IDW's raison d'etre in a positive light, but warns of it's hypocritical Orwellian impulses.

(https://en.everybodywiki.com/Areo_Magazine
"Areo has been described as "a liberal website that eschews the excesses and authoritarianism of the Regressive Left" by Professor Jerry Coyne[15]")

It seems we share more than a taste in Curtis, I have been an admirer of Helen Pluckrose(Areo owner) ever since her involvement in the grievance studies' affair.

On the argument about Owens, I didn't realize; this is indeed very hypocritical. Her crimes are just as bad as anything on the left.
To compare it to my experiences on these boards; I often like many posts from 'the right' but sometimes I see more egregious posts that I would respond and argue against.. but no need, people have already attacked that post with more rigour than I was intending to.

Like Orwell, members of the intellectual dark web spend much of their time attacking the excesses of the left. But Orwell was assiduously careful about who he aligned himself with and what he said in pursuit of this cause.

Good point here, I didn't fully comprehend. Wish we lived in a world where this guilt by association wasn't such a thing.
Aligning with people politically, even temporarily; is enough to ruin your cause.

Has kind of a weird religious undertone to it, but I guess that is the way the world is and we must accept that.

Clever fella that Orwell, but he must have been mighty lonely.

Veritas Libertas · 22-09-2019 4:09am

Jordan Peterson recently admitted himself for treatment of addiction/withdrawal.

Response from twitter's resident blue-check-marks.(the far-lefties)
https://twitter.com/miragonz/status/1175180380988559360

I will spend hours on one sentence sometimes, and if I feel that sentence isn’t expressing exactly what I want it to express, I will delete the sentence entirely. I think it takes a lot of precision and tedious work.
— Mira Gonzalez, 2014

Pure vindictiveness. Its nice to see so many of the comments call it out as such.

Veritas Libertas · 22-09-2019 8:25am

Ayaan Hirsi Ali scripted a movie with Dutch artist Theo Van Gogh(Yes he has a famous relative) in 2004 entitled "Submission".

Theo Van Goth was assassinated shortly thereafter. Ayaan Hirsi Ali still lives with security concerns.
Guardian Article 2004

In 2004 most people seemed in support of her right to produce a film depicting "oppression of women under fundamentalist Islamic law, critical of the Islamic canon itself."
Hirsi Ali maintains that

"Islam is part religion, and part a political-military doctrine, the part that is a political doctrine contains a world view, a system of laws and a moral code that is totally incompatible with our constitution, our laws, and our way of life."

She is an active reformist within Islam, looking to separate the religion from the "political-military doctrine", a true progressive and a self declared feminist. Yet I would have thought this was exactly the kind of person the left could get behind and support.

Not to be so, here sums up the attitude towards her from the Guardian in recent times:
Guardian 2017

Her lecture tour starting this week to discuss the dangers of what she calls radical Islam, or political Islam, is receiving far more scrutiny. A group of prominent Muslim women, from playwrights to human rights campaigners, from conservative Muslims to the most progressive, don’t want this tour to proceed unchallenged.

They have organised a petition expressing their “utmost disappointment” that Hirsi Ali was invited by Think Inc to Australia, due to what they say is the “hatemongering and bigotry” she espouses. Her views, they argue, serve to “increase hostility and hatred towards Muslims”, and ignore the day-to-day work of many to improve social cohesion and to champion women’s rights within their faith-Guardian 2017

The next day her tour was cancelled.

“I do want to have a debate with them on why I think sharia is hostile to our liberties, and that’s not the conversation they want to have. The conversation they want to have is ‘you are not allowed to speak on Islam at all,’ even those parts of Islam that are political and deny human beings their rights … that’s their position, and it’s frankly pathetic.”-Hirsi Ali

Intellectual Dark Web

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