Beef strike II what's a fair base price for the Autumn for R=3= steers?

Water John · 16-09-2019 10:36pm

The 3.75 was being played about with informally IWT.

Cavanjack · 16-09-2019 10:37pm

Robson99 wrote: »

The 3.75 was put up here earlier as being offered by liffey

Yeah I think someone at the protest in bjd said it to Agriland and .......

freedominacup · 16-09-2019 10:37pm

Robson99 wrote: »

The 3.75 was put up here earlier as being offered by liffey

Reading the agriland report on it, it was nothing more than a dream some of the protesters at that factory were having.

boggerman1 · 16-09-2019 11:01pm

Its time these blockades ended if the lads that are supposedly there for the protesters negotiating are now being threatened.

cluray · 16-09-2019 11:07pm

kk.man wrote: »

Well factories coming out and stating we are going to close down permanently won't help. People are educated enough that companies don't close down multi million euro making premises. Who do they think they are...God ?

Who knows, could be an opportunity for reorganisation and consolidation of the business. IMO there will be one or two factories that will fail to recover from this, probably the smaller ones or smaller elements of larger groups such as Meadow Meats.

Robson99 · 16-09-2019 11:13pm

So there was 3.75 offered last night and reduced to 3.50 today going by C Byrne live.
Creed is some arsehole with that letter / statement
Tomorrow will be fun

Water John · 16-09-2019 11:16pm

From Claire Byrne Live it seems a processor had been putting up €3.75 earlier in the day went back on it later. This is from the BPM.

Minister can remove the 125km travel limit of offal tomorrow. That will remove the stranglehold that one man has on the industry. The above is proof it's needed.

lab man · 16-09-2019 11:24pm

boggerman1 wrote:

Its time these blockades ended if the lads that are supposedly there for the protesters negotiating are now being threatened.

will u go and have a talk with yer self

Tileman · 16-09-2019 11:34pm

I think creed is a dead duck after today. When the dail resumes next week there will be s vote of no confidence in him. He has been asleep for the past two years. He is completely losing his authority and is a dead duck now even with the mii.

If that is true about the 3.75 the competition authority should be raising the phones of those factories procurement officers to see what contact was made to drop it down to 3.50.

Unfortunately now it is gone beyond reason. It’s emotional for people now and will be very difficult to break up.

It’s great to see people stand up for themselves for once but not sure it’s going to end pretty.

Ploughing will be fun tomorrow. I’d say creed and Bord via and retailers are ****ting themselves .ðŸ˜

cluray · 16-09-2019 11:40pm

lab man wrote: »

will u go and have a talk with yer self

Honestly how are you ever going to agree with thousands of farmers around the country if their reps from 7 representative groups go and endorse a deal only for them to fail to back it!

Form another rep group to negotiate, then when u don't like what they get, go again and form another group, where does it end.

Saving rural Ireland me h*le, more like screwing rural Ireland.

razor8 · 16-09-2019 11:53pm

Interesting article from Jan 2016

https://connachttribune.ie/more-fears-are-aired-over-abp-monopoly/amp/

CloughCasey1 · 16-09-2019 11:59pm

cluray wrote: »

Honestly how are you ever going to agree with thousands of farmers around the country if their reps from 7 representative groups go and endorse a deal only for them to fail to back it!

Form another rep group to negotiate, then when u don't like what they get, go again and form another group, where does it end.

Saving rural Ireland me h*le, more like screwing rural Ireland.

MII wouldnt even sit in the same room as the farming reps.
They along with Bord Bia used Creed as a puppet to push their agenda.
I'm assuming MII and Bord Bia hatched a plan to give the farmers 3.50 and the extra 8c for 2 weeks and then back to 3.40 to cover the difference. If MII and the factories even came with a 3.70 floor this morning for 60 days along with the agreed bonus structure it would have given everyone breathing space.
Do you think the big 3 are worried about the smaller processors closing down??? They are only delighted as they would be in with a buy out offer like a shot and any of the plants in question would be opened and re-branded in no time.

razor8 · 17-09-2019 12:06am

The beef tribunal report

https://archive.org/stream/324501-beef1/324501-beef1_djvu.txt

Good loser · 17-09-2019 12:14am

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

MII wouldnt even sit in the same room as the farming reps.
They along with Bord Bia used Creed as a puppet to push their agenda.
I'm assuming MII and Bord Bia hatched a plan to give the farmers 3.50 and the extra 8c for 2 weeks and then back to 3.40 to cover the difference. If MII and the factories even came with a 3.70 floor this morning for 60 days along with the agreed bonus structure it would have given everyone breathing space.
Do you think the big 3 are worried about the smaller processors closing down??? They are only delighted as they would be in with a buy out offer like a shot and any of the plants in question would be opened and re-branded in no time.

That's hogwash if ever I heard it.

Creed is an honourable man doing his best in a difficult situation.

On radio this morning the farmer Rep that went to BJ Duff complimented him for his work over the weekend.

Never wrestle with pigs · 17-09-2019 12:33am

Good loser wrote: »

That's hogwash if ever I heard it.

Creed is an honourable man doing his best in a difficult situation.

On radio this morning the farmer Rep that went to BJ Duff complimented him for his work over the weekend.

Lol, you are jokeing right?

wrangler · 17-09-2019 1:26am

Never wrestle with pigs wrote: »

Lol, you are jokeing right?

Whole mess was a joke, did you think that creed was going to start buying cattle, This was started with no plan and then you cajoled Creed into trying to sort an impossible mess, MII didn't want to be there at the weekend. It was the protesters not MII that abused Creed into getting involved
It was like a schoolyard and the bully calling for the headmaster.
It's farmers that'll be broke now BECAUSE OF THE PROTESTS not the factory owners, but what do you care, time to let people sell their cattle

kerry cow · 17-09-2019 1:27am

it says it all really , on all the others , shame , dirty hands they have ,
when it takes a group of guys to hit the marts of the country in the dark of night last winter / spring , trying to muster up support for the farmers to stand up for themselves , fair play to them , it was not a easy task .
it's shame full of our big farm organisation's who are well funded to sit on their hands .
our minister is a disgrace , coming out with these comments of not to let beef industry down the toilet .
what about the farmer .
no body cared about the farmer going down the toilet last week , last month or last year .
what w###kers.
is it fair for any farming man or woman to get up each day and turn into their work and sell there stock at a loss .
on are they to face their families with no profits , how do they feel ?
like a failure to their sons , daughters and partner .
it's not right , because the factories make millions and the retailer profit too .
how greedy they are .

and minister ,
i didn't hear you come out last week publicly and say to the meat industry , when they never showed to talks ,
PLEASE FACTORIES DONT LET OUR BEEF INDUSTRY BE DESTROYED , ITS IN YOUR HANDS NOW , THE FARMERS CANNT MAKE A LIVING .

well as far as i am concerned you can throw him in the scrap heep with the Ifa .

waste of space .

yosemitesam1 · 17-09-2019 1:27am

Water John wrote: »

No one believes the margin isn't there in the retail price.

The problem is that far too many people have no idea of business outside the farm gate and greatly overestimate selling price and underestimate costs of doing business. The average retail price of beef is under €9/kg.

How many people on here have ever actually gone out and tried to get a product on a shelf and claim market share. It's not very easy at a small scale let alone trying to shift volume in a weak/flooded market

kerry cow · 17-09-2019 1:32am

yosemitesam1 wrote:

How many people on here have ever actually gone out and tried to get a product on a shelf and claim market share. It's not very easy at a small scale let alone trying to shift volume in a weak/flooded market

yosemitesam1 wrote:

The problem is that far too many people have no idea of business outside the farm gate and greatly overestimate selling price and underestimate costs of doing business. The average retail price of beef is under â‚¬9/kg.

you should try calve a cow in the middle of the night , rare the cow and calf , carry the calf to 30 months and sell it at a loss .
now tell me again how much larry losted last year , how many millon? , the poor fellow .

wrangler · 17-09-2019 1:37am

kerry cow wrote: »

you should try calve a cow in the middle of the night , rare the cow and calf , carry the calf to 30 months and sell it at a loss .
now tell me again how much larry losted last year , how many millon? , the poor fellow .

Business people change direction when they start losing money, might be a plan there for everyone.
I've seen lots of farmers going to work at buildings, lorries to rear families in the last twenty years

kerry cow · 17-09-2019 1:38am

it's coming soon that farmers will stop rearing cattle , stop making fat cats out of the merc pilots .
what are farmers to do .
farm for a loss .
maybe the ifa , creed and Teagasc , bord bia etc need to come clean .
tell the farmers there's no money in beef , get out before they go broke .
and the ifa can close shop .
Teagasc can go back into there cave .
bord bia won't be required any longer , thank God , talk about making a JOB for ones self ,
and creed should be voted out by the good people of cork .

wrangler · 17-09-2019 1:44am

kerry cow wrote: »

it's coming soon that farmers will stop rearing cattle , stop making fat cats out of the merc pilots .
what are farmers to do .
farm for a loss .
maybe the ifa , creed and Teagasc , bord bia etc need to come clean .
tell the farmers there's no money in beef , get out before he go broke .
and the ifa can close shop .
Teagasc can go back into there cave .
bord bia won't be required any longer , thank God , talk about making a JOB for ones self ,
and creed show be voted out by the good people of cork .

Aren't I telling you that here for the last ten years, that's an IFA officer (former) telling you......... every one accusing me of being a cynic when the writing was on the wall for beef production all the time

yosemitesam1 · 17-09-2019 1:49am

kerry cow wrote: »

you should try calve a cow in the middle of the night , rare the cow and calf , carry the calf to 30 months and sell it at a loss .
now tell me again how much larry losted last year , how many millon? , the poor fellow .

It's no one's divine right to earn a living doing whatever they want.

Duck or dive... There was a great opportunity to look for a real alternative by looking for support for biodiversity/extensive systems. But everyone's too busy blaming the factories and retailers for their problems to use their heads and realise beef is in a very bad place at the minute and is unlikely to improve soon

Muckit · 17-09-2019 3:34am

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

The problem is that far too many people have no idea of business outside the farm gate and greatly overestimate selling price and underestimate costs of doing business. The average retail price of beef is under €9/kg.

How many people on here have ever actually gone out and tried to get a product on a shelf and claim market share. It's not very easy at a small scale let alone trying to shift volume in a weak/flooded market

The problem is that far too many factories have no idea of business inside the farm gate and greatly underestimate the time effort and money it takes to rear beef cattle. Its next to impossible to rear an animal to 30 mths and make a margin. The factory market price has plummeted to under €3 50/kg.

How many factory men on here have actually gone out and tried to make a living rearing beef cattle? It's not very easy. Not very easy at all.

Muckit · 17-09-2019 3:37am

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

It's no one's divine right to earn a living doing whatever they want.

Duck or dive... There was a great opportunity to look for a real alternative by looking for support for biodiversity/extensive systems. But everyone's too busy blaming the factories and retailers for their problems to use their heads and realise beef is in a very bad place at the minute and is unlikely to improve soon

Why is the minister so hell bent on saving the beef industry then when he of all people should know it's a sitting duck?
As regards biodiversity, it's his job, not the farmers to come up with viable schemes with worthwhile monetary remuneration.

Wanderer78 · 17-09-2019 5:13am

So when are you folks gonna start targeting the retailers in this protest?

Robson99 · 17-09-2019 6:42am

Maybe a couple of weeks boycotting the marts now instead of the factory gates. Factories have nothing much left in feed lots and would gave to pay for cattle through the gate

handlemaster · 17-09-2019 6:46am

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/one-third-of-irish-farms-at-risk-in-no-deal-brexit-says-study-1.4020111?mode=amp

As if you wanted proof alot of farmers should simply be doing some other type of work. The farming business is a loss maker. Sell trh land and invest else where

Wanderer78 · 17-09-2019 7:02am

handlemaster wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/one-third-of-irish-farms-at-risk-in-no-deal-brexit-says-study-1.4020111?mode=amp

As if you wanted proof alot of farmers should simply be doing some other type of work. The farming business is a loss maker. Sell trh land and invest else where

sell land, you mad are mental! they aint making no more of it!

wrangler · 17-09-2019 7:15am

Headline on the Irish Times
No deal Brexit puts a third of farmers at risk
They needn't worry, protestors will have them frigged before then

memorystick · 17-09-2019 7:34am

Interesting meeting in Rathdowney last night. They ain't stepping down. The level of corruption cannot last.

_Brian · 17-09-2019 7:37am

Was talking to farmer yesterday and he said Brexit to the beef industry will be like shooting a sick animal that just isn’t getting getting better. Quick end to continued misery.

Keepgrowing · 17-09-2019 7:43am

Robson99 wrote: »

Maybe a couple of weeks boycotting the marts now instead of the factory gates. Factories have nothing much left in feed lots and would gave to pay for cattle through the gate

While I agree it can’t be done, how will the current protesters sell their weanlings.

ZETOR_IS_BETTER · 17-09-2019 7:49am

wrangler wrote: »

Headline on the Irish Times
No deal Brexit puts a third of farmers at risk
They needn't worry, protestors will have them frigged before then

Another headline for you..

Processors puts 100% of beef farmers at risk

Robson99 · 17-09-2019 8:13am

Keepgrowing wrote: »

While I agree it can’t be done, how will the current protesters sell their weanlings.

Who will buy them if lads cannot get cattle killed ??

handlemaster · 17-09-2019 8:19am

Wanderer78 wrote: »

sell land, you mad are mental! they aint making no more of it!

that's an old saying, I know your having a laugh. But a lot of people still believe this , they can't see past , in short, the past. The capital tied up in land would be better serviced invested in other ventures. Then it comes down to the old ... sure what else would I do .... ??? Lots of other things would be the reply. In fact, the haggling over prices is just a result of poor choices taken by people to pursue a career over which they have very little control on the return that they get.

foundation10 · 17-09-2019 8:22am

No show by minister at ploughing today, he says Dail business needs to be done instead!

High bike · 17-09-2019 8:31am

foundation10 wrote: »

No show by minister at ploughing today, he says Dail business needs to be done instead!

busy clearing out his office before the Dail resumes and he gets his P45

jaymla627 · 17-09-2019 8:37am

High bike wrote: »

busy clearing out his office before the Dail resumes and he gets his P45

Will be interesting to see if any rural Fine Gael tds break ranks and vote him out, great way of helping keep their seat in the next general election, poor Leo could have a mini cluster-f**k on his hands

bogman_bass · 17-09-2019 8:37am

High bike wrote: »

foundation10 wrote: »

No show by minister at ploughing today, he says Dail business needs to be done instead!

busy clearing out his office before the Dail resumes and he gets his P45

On what grounds? Not getting what farmers want? That’s not why he’s there.

foundation10 · 17-09-2019 8:41am

Having read the ministers open letter and after listening to his radio 1 interview this morning all I can say is these communications are not defusing the situation in fact its like throwing fuel onto the fire. Especially the wording of his last paragraph of his open letter and using words like "self harm" on the radio this morning its beggars belief. Both communications are not measured in anyway with having a poor choice of words. He would have been better off not issuing that letter.

I also picked up from the interview this morning that the processing plants in the UK needed to be Bord Bia certified. Have Bord Bia confirmed they have certified these?

jaymla627 · 17-09-2019 8:43am

bogman_bass wrote: »

On what grounds? Not getting what farmers want? That’s not why he’s there.

Knackery dispute alone shows he’s not fit to meet his remit

Butcher Boy · 17-09-2019 8:56am

bogman_bass wrote: »

On what grounds? Not getting what farmers want? That’s not why he’s there.

He is where he is today only for his father who was a good man, not like this yoke i know i went to school with him.

Tileman · 17-09-2019 8:56am

foundation10 wrote: »

No show by minister at ploughing today, he says Dail business needs to be done instead!

Not surprised. Don’t think it would help as it would only cause protests and issues which would look bad for him. Wonder will Leo come Tomo?

Michael D will get a warm welcome.

Only for Brexit this could bring down the govt. as allot of rural TDS are getting worried.

It’s not that the minister hasn’t tried with this dispute it is because he was asleep for last two years while all these issues were gathering momentum and he did nothing and now he left it too late .

Water John · 17-09-2019 9:06am

when the trade unions negotiated Croke Park 2 Deal and endorsed it, they took it back to their members, who then rejected it. They then had to negotiate the Haddington Road agreement, same here. Protesters not happy with the deal, have another go and come back with something better.
Maybe Leo needs to step up if his Minister is too weak.

whelan2 · 17-09-2019 9:12am

Robson99 wrote: »

Who will buy them if lads cannot get cattle killed ??

I was expecting s big sale in local cattle mart last week as I was thinking the same. Sale was over in half an hour. Normally this time of year weanlings would be coming out.

alps · 17-09-2019 9:15am

foundation10 wrote: »

I also picked up from the interview this morning that the processing plants in the UK needed to be Bord Bia certified. Have Bord Bia confirmed they have certified these?

All the UK plants accredited to Bord Bia are listed on their website. This was linked previously on this thread.

It's not unusual for Irish product to be packaged abroad and sent back for sale.

This happens with Irish butter and cheese..

High bike · 17-09-2019 9:25am

bogman_bass wrote: »

On what grounds? Not getting what farmers want? That’s not why he’s there.

Incompetence and completely out of touch with the Dept he's supposed to be leading, and if he doesn't know it now he'll find out at the next election

coolshannagh28 · 17-09-2019 9:28am

High bike wrote: »

Incompetence and completely out of touch with the Dept he's supposed to be leading, and if he doesn't know it now he'll find out at the next election

Farmers have stumbled onto power , wildcat tactics and the ballot box next May will ensure the balance shifts .

alps · 17-09-2019 9:31am

coolshannagh28 wrote: »

Farmers have stumbled onto power , wildcat tactics and the ballot box next May will ensure the balance shifts .

Shift to where?

Beef strike II what's a fair base price for the Autumn for R=3= steers?

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