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Beef strike II what's a fair base price for the Autumn for R=3= steers?

Water John

Look, the lads on the line don't trust the factories. That is a big factor. The factory reps were never in the room with the farm reps. Remember in NI they got Martin McGuinness and Ian Paisley in one room at the end of talks.
The picket doesn't trust that the base price will not be dropped. They want a base price of €3.8./3.75.

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Cavanjack

Robson99 wrote: »

Don't know lads. If 3.75 was being offered for next 6 weeks or do we should have taken it. Lucky that the weather has improved this week or all would be housed here.
The weanling / store producer will not lose much holding them till early spring if he has to. But finishers will have to move. Will this lead to major agro between ourselves.
We have not done too bad with bonuses and if 3.75 available. Take it and assess in spring.
Also it's time to stop acting the bolix with sheep farmers. Let them in with their lambs. That's a different battle and nothing to do with beef. If sheep farmers were stopping beef men we would be pissed off as well

Nobody is offering 3.75. Liffey is offering 3.50 for bullocks.

morphy87

Cavanjack wrote: »

Nobody is offering 3.75. Liffey is offering 3.50 for bullocks.

Was thinking that,if 3 75 and bonuses were available lads would be willing to sell I reckon

High bike

Cavanjack wrote: »

Nobody is offering 3.75. Liffey is offering 3.50 for bullocks.

so where's all the ****e talk about 3.75 coming from?

morphy87

Robson99 wrote: »

Don't know lads. If 3.75 was being offered for next 6 weeks or do we should have taken it. Lucky that the weather has improved this week or all would be housed here.
The weanling / store producer will not lose much holding them till early spring if he has to. But finishers will have to move. Will this lead to major agro between ourselves.
We have not done too bad with bonuses and if 3.75 available. Take it and assess in spring.
Also it's time to stop acting the bolix with sheep farmers. Let them in with their lambs. That's a different battle and nothing to do with beef. If sheep farmers were stopping beef men we would be pissed off as well

Your right in all you said,especially about the sheep farmers it’s not right to drag them into this when they have nothing to do with this,they’ve had a enough hardship through the years

kk.man

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

Muckit wrote: »

We're responsible for the destruction of the beef sector now according to our minister. Lovely

I doubt he could be any more out of touch and still remain in this universe.
https://twitter.com/farmersjournal/status/1173695828109733889?s=19

The factories and their greed brought this about if it happens. They p=÷##×@d on the IFA when the organisation was on its knees (I am not an IFA head). They are in the process of getting rid of agents when dealing with farmers. They cut the s$#/e out of beef to the farmer and kept rubbing salt into the wound by aggressively going for 3.00 per kg while they made it into the top 30 rich list in Ireland consistently.
The old smart factory boss threw a few crumbs to the agents, the IFA and the farmer but these new breed got very greedy.
As I said before by their actions they cultivated a first yellow vest movement in this country which is impossible to stop. But more importantly the angry farmer is now educated in causing maximum disruption within the confines of the law.

Keep Sluicing

High bike wrote: »

cheek of the ****er hope the has the balls to go to the ploughing

Ah there isnt a hope he'll be at the ploughing. Out of sight out of mind.

High bike

Keep Sluicing wrote: »

Ah there isnt a hope he'll be at the ploughing. Out of sight out of mind.

ur prob right

FarmerBrowne

Piss off Creed, you sanctimonious individual, I just hope FG come to the door in the lead up to election next May and they are going to be sorry they did when they get an earful about that waste of space.

kk.man

kk.man wrote: »

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

Muckit wrote: »

We're responsible for the destruction of the beef sector now according to our minister. Lovely

I doubt he could be any more out of touch and still remain in this universe.
https://twitter.com/farmersjournal/status/1173695828109733889?s=19

The factories and their greed brought this about if it happens. They p=÷##×@d on the IFA when the organisation was on its knees (I am not an IFA head). They are in the process of getting rid of agents when dealing with farmers. They cut the s$#/e out of beef to the farmer and kept rubbing salt into the wound by aggressively going for 3.00 per kg while they made it into the top 30 rich list in Ireland consistently.
The old smart factory boss threw a few crumbs to the agents, the IFA and the farmer but these new breed got very greedy.
As I said before by their actions they cultivated a first yellow vest movement in this country which is impossible to stop. But more importantly the angry farmer is now educated in causing maximum disruption within the confines of the law.

Forgot to mention they turned up at the heef forum and didn't give an inch.

foundation10

Keep Sluicing wrote: »

Ah there isnt a hope he'll be at the ploughing. Out of sight out of mind.

Wouldn't think so, his days are numbered after this.

boggerman1

People haven't needed the blockade to know creed is useless.anyone else hear the dawn factory in rathdowney is going to close down permanently

Keep Sluicing

If one thing has come of this blockade, its the template for further protests.

The Beef Plan organised themselves after the first protest so that they couldn't get fined like the IFA all those years ago. Officially staying away while having their individual farmers at the gates.

The IFA are needed to be the organization at the negotiations, and money behind them to back individual farmers if they are are singled out by the factorys for a court appearance.

There needs to be a bit more thought on the timing of future protests, and the demands to end protests. Individual farmers need to still be singing off the same hymn sheet (while being "individual") in the event of future blockades.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Open letter from the Minister.
https://twitter.com/creedcnw/status/1173682708670816258?s=19

yewtree

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

Open letter from the Minister.
https://twitter.com/creedcnw/status/1173682708670816258?s=19

It seems a fair enough accessment if you ask me. Its a bit unfair to take one line out of a thousand word statement. Like what will happen if a small minority keep proteesting in spite of all farm orgs agreeing to the deal.

leoch

The last 3 lines is wat he should be saying to himself

jaymla627

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

Open letter from the Minister.
https://twitter.com/creedcnw/status/1173682708670816258?s=19

If that went through official channels and was signed off on by who ever pulls the strings in Fine Gael god help us all, if he went rouge and done it off his own bat he has confirmed he is as dimwitted as we expected

Water John

It wasn't the farm orgs that forced the talks. Why would anyone think it's their right to sign off on them. Joe Healy et al would have no credibility with those on the protest line.
Some items in the proposals are good and need to be followed through in the medium term. The base price however is a stumbling block. Firstly, that it isn't dropped further and secondly it needs to recover to €3.75/3.80.
No one believes the margin isn't there in the retail price.

His last few lines remind me of Gerry Collins looking straight into the camera and saying 'please don't burst the party'.

kk.man

yewtree wrote: »

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

Open letter from the Minister.
https://twitter.com/creedcnw/status/1173682708670816258?s=19

It seems a fair enough accessment if you ask me. Its a bit unfair to take one line out of a thousand word statement. Like what will happen if a small minority keep proteesting in spite of all farm orgs agreeing to the deal.

Well factories coming out and stating we are going to close down permanently won't help. People are educated enough that companies don't close down multi million euro making premises. Who do they think they are...God ?

Base price

A bit of sense from Justin McCarthy https://www.farmersjournal.ie/beef-crisis-time-for-those-with-finished-animals-to-have-their-voice-heard-494805

Robson99

Cavanjack wrote: »

Nobody is offering 3.75. Liffey is offering 3.50 for bullocks.

The 3.75 was put up here earlier as being offered by liffey

Water John

The 3.75 was being played about with informally IWT.

Cavanjack

Robson99 wrote: »

The 3.75 was put up here earlier as being offered by liffey

Yeah I think someone at the protest in bjd said it to Agriland and .......

freedominacup

Robson99 wrote: »

The 3.75 was put up here earlier as being offered by liffey

Reading the agriland report on it, it was nothing more than a dream some of the protesters at that factory were having.

boggerman1

Its time these blockades ended if the lads that are supposedly there for the protesters negotiating are now being threatened.

cluray

kk.man wrote: »

Well factories coming out and stating we are going to close down permanently won't help. People are educated enough that companies don't close down multi million euro making premises. Who do they think they are...God ?

Who knows, could be an opportunity for reorganisation and consolidation of the business. IMO there will be one or two factories that will fail to recover from this, probably the smaller ones or smaller elements of larger groups such as Meadow Meats.

Robson99

So there was 3.75 offered last night and reduced to 3.50 today going by C Byrne live.
Creed is some arsehole with that letter / statement
Tomorrow will be fun

Water John

From Claire Byrne Live it seems a processor had been putting up €3.75 earlier in the day went back on it later. This is from the BPM.

Minister can remove the 125km travel limit of offal tomorrow. That will remove the stranglehold that one man has on the industry. The above is proof it's needed.

lab man

boggerman1 wrote:

Its time these blockades ended if the lads that are supposedly there for the protesters negotiating are now being threatened.

will u go and have a talk with yer self

Tileman

I think creed is a dead duck after today. When the dail resumes next week there will be s vote of no confidence in him. He has been asleep for the past two years. He is completely losing his authority and is a dead duck now even with the mii.

If that is true about the 3.75 the competition authority should be raising the phones of those factories procurement officers to see what contact was made to drop it down to 3.50.

Unfortunately now it is gone beyond reason. It’s emotional for people now and will be very difficult to break up.

It’s great to see people stand up for themselves for once but not sure it’s going to end pretty.

Ploughing will be fun tomorrow. I’d say creed and Bord via and retailers are ****ting themselves .ðŸ˜

cluray

lab man wrote: »

will u go and have a talk with yer self

Honestly how are you ever going to agree with thousands of farmers around the country if their reps from 7 representative groups go and endorse a deal only for them to fail to back it!

Form another rep group to negotiate, then when u don't like what they get, go again and form another group, where does it end.

Saving rural Ireland me h*le, more like screwing rural Ireland.