Judgement day for Maria Bailey.

marieholmfan · 01-11-2019 10:42am

He said that the people could abolish it but he wouldn't reform it and that if the Seanad was kept he would do nothing about it and that it would be at least twenty years before anyone else did.

Snow Garden wrote: »

Enda took the Seanad defeat well and then talked about reform but it was only talk.

In 2016 he put these good people in the Seanad;

- James O'Reilly (https://www.thejournal.ie/james-reilly-stands-over-primary-care-centre-decision-making-processes-612896-Sep2012/)

- Michelle Mulherin (of dodgy expenses fame)

- Paudie Coffey (Minister for Housing before 2016, that went well)

- Marie Louise O'Donnell (Mayo woman and close friend of Enda)

- Ray Butler (In 2019, it was reported that Butler had taken three years to repay the €30,000 severance allowance he received upon losing his Dáil seat, which became forfeit and repayable once he accepted a nomination to the Seanad)

- Frank Feighan (Broke a pre election promise but got his reward in Seanad)

marieholmfan · 01-11-2019 10:43am

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

Might help explain why the referendum was lost so.

How so?

Odyssey 2005 · 01-11-2019 10:44am

MadYaker wrote: »

They will run the candidate who they think is most like to win the seat. Leo and co may say nice things about her in public but they’ll give her the boot without a second thought if think it’s necessary.

Boot out a candidate that their own secret inquiry exonerated?.

is_that_so · 01-11-2019 10:46am

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

Might help explain why the referendum was lost so.

And that the cost and "uselessness" was enough. Voters may not love it but it has more of a hint of democracy than it's expensive and we can promise we'll get round to better committees. It was mini-version of Brexit, an unexpected result with no plan behind it!

McMurphy · 01-11-2019 10:54am

marieholmfan wrote: »

How so?

I thought it was blindingly obvious, but anyway - voters obviously didn't want it gone, reformation would have been a fairly obvious flip side choice, but in typical arrogance by the then govt, they were told it was their way or the highway.

Enda got his own fairly decent number of controversial headlines surrounding the same Seanad he wanted to abolish.

marieholmfan · 01-11-2019 10:57am

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

I thought it was blindingly obvious, but anyway - voters obviously didn't want it gone, reformation would have been a fairly obvious flip side choice, but in typical arrogance by the then govt, they were told it was their way or the highway.

Enda got his own fairly decent number of controversial headlines surrounding the same Seanad he wanted to abolish.

So did how Kenny's lack of interest in reforming the Seanad contribute to its retention?

Reform wasn't an option.

Try to answer the question you are asked or else be silent!

Snow Garden · 01-11-2019 11:02am

marieholmfan wrote: »

FG were clear that they wouldn't reform the Seanad.

In December 2014, then Taoiseach Enda Kenny set up an independent working group on Seanad reform chaired by former senator Dr Maurice Manning. This group published a comprehensive report in 2015, which the current government has committed to implement.

In any event if Bailey ends up in the Seanad it will be another cynical move by Fine Gael.

splinter65 · 01-11-2019 11:05am

Anyone is entitled to feel that the accident they had was someone else’s fault.
Yes in doing that you may well be marking yourself out as a blundering idiot but that’s ok just take yourself to court and present your version of the FACTS and whoever you are blaming present their version of the FACTS let the judge make up his/her mind.
But Bailey knew the facts in her case didn’t stack up so she decided to lie instead.
Saying that she lied under advice from her legal team makes it worse.

McMurphy · 01-11-2019 11:08am

marieholmfan wrote: »

So did how Kenny's lack of interest in reforming the Seanad contribute to its retention?

Reform wasn't an option.

I'm not sure if you're being deliberately obtuse, or genuinely just havent read what I clearly wrote - the people didn't want it abolished, that is clear from the referendum result. Enda said he didn't intend to reform it, fair enough, but that would probably explain why he lost the referendum - this has been explained to you numerous times already, and am a bit peeved at having to type it out again.

Try to answer the question you are asked or else be silent!

Just because you didn't like the answer you were given, doesn't mean it wasn't answered, it was.

Are you assuming the role of a moderator now btw?

marieholmfan · 01-11-2019 11:21am

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

I'm not sure if you're being deliberately obtuse, or genuinely just havent read what I clearly wrote - the people didn't want it abolished, that is clear from the referendum result. Enda said he didn't intend to reform it, fair enough, but that would probably explain why he lost the referendum - this has been explained to you numerous times already, and am a bit peeved at having to type it out again.

Just because you didn't like the answer you were given, doesn't mean it wasn't answered, it was.

Are you assuming the role of a moderator now btw?

It was a referendum on abolition not a referendum on reform.

marieholmfan · 01-11-2019 11:22am

Snow Garden wrote: »

In December 2014, then Taoiseach Enda Kenny set up an independent working group on Seanad reform chaired by former senator Dr Maurice Manning. This group published a comprehensive report in 2015, which the current government has committed to implement.

In any event if Bailey ends up in the Seanad it will be another cynical move by Fine Gael.

The referendum was in 2013. 2013 is before 2014.

Snow Garden · 01-11-2019 11:32am

marieholmfan wrote: »

The referendum was in 2013. 2013 is before 2014.

You made the mistake. You said FG and Enda never promised to reform the Seanad. They did so after the abolition referendum.

After the referendum FG/Enda said exactly that and asked Manning to report on potential reforms. He gave them 30 recommendations.

So why didn't he implement any of the Manning report? Was it just a cynical ploy to kick the can down the road? New Politics evaporated?

Snow Garden · 01-11-2019 11:33am

splinter65 wrote: »

Anyone is entitled to feel that the accident they had was someone else’s fault.
Yes in doing that you may well be marking yourself out as a blundering idiot but that’s ok just take yourself to court and present your version of the FACTS and whoever you are blaming present their version of the FACTS let the judge make up his/her mind.
But Bailey knew the facts in her case didn’t stack up so she decided to lie instead.
Saying that she lied under advice from her legal team makes it worse.

Madigan has gone oh so quiet lately. I bet she is nervous...

Sultan of Bling · 01-11-2019 11:42am

seligehgit wrote:

That is a truly disgusting comment.

votecounts wrote:

I wouldn't be her biggest fan but that is a sick comment to make

Businesses closing, jobs being lost, all because of con artists like her.

Never mind claiming Dail expenses she wasn't entitled to.

Maybe some of the poor people who have lost jobs were going through bereavement at the time.

The only disgusting thing round here is that piece of filth.

marieholmfan · 01-11-2019 11:51am

Snow Garden wrote: »

You made the mistake. You said FG and Enda never promised to reform the Seanad. They did so after the abolition referendum.

After the referendum FG/Enda said exactly that and asked Manning to report on potential reforms. He gave them 30 recommendations.

So why didn't he implement any of the Manning report? Was it just a cynical ploy to kick the can down the road? New Politics evaporated?

You're not even wrong.

jmreire · 01-11-2019 12:04pm

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

True, but she got legal advice, and so I go back to my doctor analogy.

Meanwhile her supporters say

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1190025239402622977?s=19

So her supporters would not have any problem with dubious claims themselves? That speaks volume's about their honesty and integrity..... just corruption layered on corruption. They are part of the problem.

McMurphy · 01-11-2019 12:06pm

Before this thread is diverted to discuss Endas incompetence at losing the Seanad referendum, maybe we could start discussing the uncomfortable situation the FG party find themselves in on this one.

Leo might try and put this on Paschal's lap, making him the poor lad who will ultimately have to make the unsavoury choice of how to solve a problem like Maria.

Lots of banana skins with it though, Madigan isn't untainted by the whole affair either, and Leo has been caught off guard by the local member's of his party, who obviously don't believe the mumbo jumbo he spouted about what the report contained in relation to Bailey and Madigan.

Do they get shot of her, and leave themselves open to Bailey and a cat getting out of a bag?

Leave her on the ticket, and the whole election campaign be overshadowed by insurance fraud report's in the media, and name dropping bailey in them.

Will the report be leaked?
Will bailey reveal Madigans legal advice?
Will the opposition or press obtain a leaked CCTV clip of Bailey and "friends" misusing the swings in the Dean?

My own thoughts are that there's possibly enough distance between now and the next election for a deal to be struck between bailey and the party for her to quietly saunter off with a nice package, "there's a good girl Maria, you ran a good race (no pun intended) but it's time to fcuk off now" ringing in her ear. €€€

1st of November, still far from over. Woefully handed by Leo, Enda might have been incompetent at times, but he knew how to deal with slackers and dissenters, he'd have nipped this in the bud over a wet weekend, I'll give him that much, and he didn't need no multi million euro spin machine or advisers telling him how to either.

Snow Garden · 01-11-2019 12:24pm

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

Before this thread is diverted to discuss Endas incompetence at losing the Seanad referendum, maybe we could start discussing the uncomfortable situation the FG party find themselves in on this one.

Leo might try and put this on Paschal's lap, making him the poor lad who will ultimately have to make the unsavoury choice of how to solve a problem like Maria.

Lots of banana skins with it though, Madigan isn't untainted by the whole affair either, and Leo has been caught off guard by the local member's of his party, who obviously don't believe the mumbo jumbo he spouted about what the report contained in relation to Bailey and Madigan.

Do they get shot of her, and leave themselves open to Bailey and a cat getting out of a bag?

Leave her on the ticket, and the whole election campaign be overshadowed by insurance fraud report's in the media, and name dropping bailey in them.

Will the report be leaked?
Will bailey reveal Madigans legal advice?
Will the opposition or press obtain a leaked CCTV clip of Bailey and "friends" misusing the swings in the Dean?

My own thoughts are that there's possibly enough distance between now and the next election for a deal to be struck between bailey and the party for her to quietly saunter off with a nice package, "there's a good girl Maria, you ran a good race (no pun intended) but it's time to fcuk off now" ringing in her ear. €€€

1st of November, still far from over. Woefully handed by Leo, Enda might have been incompetent at times, but he knew how to deal with slackers and dissenters, he'd have nipped this in the bud over a wet weekend, I'll give him that much, and he didn't need no multi million euro spin machine or advisers telling him how to either.

Yeah no matter when they schedule the election for in Q1/Q2 2020, Maria Bailey and Madigan will be in the news.
Insurance fraud and Expense fraud will be a hot topic in all the interviews and debates.

jmreire · 01-11-2019 12:25pm

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

Before this thread is diverted to discuss Endas incompetence at losing the Seanad referendum, maybe we could start discussing the uncomfortable situation the FG party find themselves in on this one.

Leo might try and put this on Paschal's lap, making him the poor lad who will ultimately have to make the unsavoury choice of how to solve a problem like Maria.

Lots of banana skins with it though, Madigan isn't untainted by the whole affair either, and Leo has been caught off guard by the local member's of his party, who obviously don't believe the mumbo jumbo he spouted about what the report contained in relation to Bailey and Madigan.

Do they get shot of her, and leave themselves open to Bailey and a cat getting out of a bag?

Leave her on the ticket, and the whole election campaign be overshadowed by insurance fraud report's in the media, and name dropping bailey in them.

Will the report be leaked?
Will bailey reveal Madigans legal advice?
Will the opposition or press obtain a leaked CCTV clip of Bailey and "friends" misusing the swings in the Dean?

My own thoughts are that there's possibly enough distance between now and the next election for a deal to be struck between bailey and the party for her to quietly saunter off with a nice package, "there's a good girl Maria, you ran a good race (no pun intended) but it's time to fcuk off now" ringing in her ear. €€€

1st of November, still far from over. Woefully handed by Leo, Enda might have been incompetent at times, but he knew how to deal with slackers and dissenters, he'd have nipped this in the bud over a wet weekend, I'll give him that much, and he didn't need no multi million euro spin machine or advisers telling him how to either.

No matter what "solution" they find for the Bailey problem.....the whole FG party is tainted now. And come election time, you think that it will be forgotten? Every week, business's are closing down, with a Govt that seem's incapable of fixing the problem? I don't think so. Down the road, when they are writing FG political history, the Bailey case will get more than a mention, for sure.

marieholmfan · 01-11-2019 12:28pm

jmreire wrote: »

No matter what "solution" they find for the Bailey problem.....the whole FG party is tainted now. And come election time, you think that it will be forgotten? Every week, business's are closing down, with a Govt that seem's incapable of fixing the problem? I don't think so. Down the road, when they are writing FG political history, the Bailey case will get more than a mention, for sure.

They should have taken the whip away from her immediately, put Madigan off the front bench, forced Madigan to make a 'maxima culpa' and used the opportunity to bring in false claim criminalisation.

The FG selling point is supposed to be (all evidence to the contrary) that they are more honest than FF.

Mules · 01-11-2019 12:29pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Hope she is strapped into her seat for the result.

jmreire · 01-11-2019 12:44pm

marieholmfan wrote: »

They should have taken the whip away from her immediately, put Madigan off the front bench, forced Madigan to make a 'maxima culpa' and used the opportunity to bring in false claim criminalisation.

The FG selling point is supposed to be (all evidence to the contrary) that they are more honest than FF.

Exactly !!! Had they done that, they would have been riding high in the poll's since, and if an election was called ( never mind the Brexit distraction ) I think that they would have won a majority. But "Internal Dynamic's" prevented that.....

Beasty · 01-11-2019 1:16pm

marieholmfan wrote: »

Try to answer the question you are asked or else be silent!

It's not for you to be telling anyone else what to do or post

Leave the modding to the mods

Any questions, PM me

marieholmfan · 01-11-2019 1:21pm

Beasty wrote: »

It's not for you to be telling anyone else what to do or post

Leave the modding to the mods

Any questions, PM me

I've added the poster to ignore.

Muahahaha · 01-11-2019 1:22pm

https://www.broadsheet.ie/2019/11/01/88-in-favour-66-against/

This morning.

RTɒs Political Correspondent Paul Cunningham told Morning Ireland that last night’s motion calling for an urgent review of general election candidates by Fine Gael’s executive council passed 88 in favour and 66 against.

He said 120 chairs were laid out for last night’s meeting but 160 people turned up, while around 20 people spoke, including Fine Gael TD Maria Bailey.

He described the atmosphere as “pointed but polite” and that most of the speakers spoke against the motion.

He said Ms Bailey told those present that the opinions of Fine Gael’s members mattered to her; she was “always a diligent TD”; she was “fighting for her political life”; and she “regretted how the party became engulfed in media exposure” but she wants to be their candidate.

88 knives in the back. The Blackrock sect of FG DLR will be sipping champagne this morning while the Dun Laoighire sect are licking their wounds and plotting a fightback.

Muahahaha · 01-11-2019 1:33pm

And from the Indo

Sources told the Irish Independent, Ms Bailey used a short speech to argue that not all the facts about her compensation case over a fall from a swing are in the public domain.

Game on.

McMurphy · 01-11-2019 1:35pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

And from the Indo

Game on.

McMurphy · 01-11-2019 1:38pm

marieholmfan wrote: »

It was a referendum on abolition not a referendum on reform.

And you asked, and it was explained to you why the referendum on its abolition was lost.

Asking the same question but expecting a different answer isn't forthcoming I'm afraid.

blanch152 · 01-11-2019 1:46pm

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

And you asked, and it was explained to you why the referendum on its abolition was lost.

Asking the same question but expecting a different answer isn't forthcoming I'm afraid.

The referendum was lost because people didn't want to abolish the Seanad. That's fair enough. However, you can't go on and say that people voted to reform the Seanad, that is an unknown step.

You are putting yourself out like an ERG Brexiteer who concludes that because the UK voted to leave, they voted to leave for a no-deal Brexit. The Seanad vote was abolish or keep, people voted to keep, that is all we know.

McMurphy · 01-11-2019 1:48pm

blanch152 wrote: »

The referendum was lost because people didn't want to abolish the Seanad. That's fair enough. However, you can't go on and say that people voted to reform the Seanad, that is an unknown step.

You are putting yourself out like an ERG Brexiteer who concludes that because the UK voted to leave, they voted to leave for a no-deal Brexit. The Seanad vote was abolish or keep, people voted to keep, that is all we know.

Blanch straight in with something he's an opinion on, which isn't Maria Bailey and the thread title.

Some things never change.

(Btw, I clearly stated they lost the referendum because it's blindingly obvious the people didn't want the Seanad to abolished hence the result)

Scott Tenorman · 01-11-2019 1:55pm

ddarcy wrote: »

Will be interesting to see. I’d say she didn’t have the whip removed and expelled from the party because that report was fairly damning to the party as a whole. Add in the Perry legal precedence, I’d say she will still likely be on it. Keeping her happy is probably keeping it from being released to the public.

Not blaming Leo here but he is between the proverbial rock and a hard place. He will have to choose which option does the least damage.

Leo is to blame as he has not dealt with the issue at all.

And lets never ever forget the absolute disdain he showed us all by finally giving his findings of the report on the day Boris Johnson became UK Prime Minister.
If that doesn't show what kind of man he is then i don't know what does

James Brown · 01-11-2019 2:26pm

blanch152 wrote: »

The referendum was lost because people didn't want to abolish the Seanad. That's fair enough. However, you can't go on and say that people voted to reform the Seanad, that is an unknown step.

You are putting yourself out like an ERG Brexiteer who concludes that because the UK voted to leave, they voted to leave for a no-deal Brexit. The Seanad vote was abolish or keep, people voted to keep, that is all we know.

What's the Green view on this? Swings are environmentally friendly so no harm there. Have you an opinion on Bailey yourself?
The Green party should have sacked her.

Snow Garden · 01-11-2019 2:37pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

And from the Indo

Sources told the Irish Independent, Ms Bailey used a short speech to argue that not all the facts about her compensation case over a fall from a swing are in the public domain.

Game on.

Wow! That's a shot across the bows. It's such a durty story - we all know they are hiding the truth. M Martin must have a good snigger at this every day.

Sultan of Bling · 01-11-2019 3:00pm

Deleted User wrote:

Why don't you check RIP.ie and report back?

No need as you did that already. Does this mean you had the same doubts I had?

Snow Garden · 01-11-2019 3:06pm

Sultan of Bling wrote: »

No need as you did that already. Does this mean you had the same doubts I had?

Ah leave it lads. There is no doubt that Bailey's father died.
Your language is not adding to the discussion. Nobody is a 'piece of filth'.
At the end of the day it's just politics.

James Brown · 01-11-2019 3:09pm

Snow Garden wrote: »

Ah leave it lads. There is no doubt that Bailey's father died.
Your language is not adding to the discussion. Nobody is a 'piece of filth'.
At the end of the day it's just politics.

While I don't agree with using death, it's just politics, true. Politics is life and death and people working hard to make ends meet their entire life while people like Bailey faff around not doing a legitimate tap and reaping the rewards. So there's no 'just' about it. The political cute hoor is growing fat in comfort while the minimum wage worker gets accused of being too lazy to succeed.

Sultan of Bling · 01-11-2019 3:18pm

Snow Garden wrote:

Ah leave it lads. There is no doubt that Bailey's father died. Your language is not adding to the discussion. Nobody is a 'piece of filth'. At the end of the day it's just politics.

In reply to this and to TheDativeCase.

I'm sorry if I offended you or any other poster with my previous post but I'll just post once more and then I'll leave it there cos I'm just so angry about this.

The way I see this is she used the death of a loved one to garner sympathy when she knew she had been exposed for the liar and the cheat that she was. To me, I think that is utterly disgusting.

Please don't feel any sympathy towards her because you can all be sure of one thing and that is she doesn't give two f***s about you.

Muahahaha · 01-11-2019 3:21pm

Snow Garden wrote: »

Wow! That's a shot across the bows. It's such a durty story - we all know they are hiding the truth. M Martin must have a good snigger at this every day.

Theres definitely a strong insinuation about it that Maria thinks if all the facts about her compensation case were in the public domain then she would be exonerated. She wouldnt be of course but thats the type of deluded thinking she is now known for. Madigan must be planking it now about what direction this turns into next. Leo will want to make her go quietly so a plum Seanad seat so she can keep her snout at the trough will likely be on the agenda.

Snow Garden · 01-11-2019 3:24pm

Sultan of Bling wrote: »

In reply to this and to TheDativeCase.

I'm sorry if I offended you or any other poster with my previous post but I'll just post once more and then I'll leave it there cos I'm just so angry about this.

The way I see this is she used the death of a loved one to garner sympathy when she knew she had been exposed for the liar and the cheat that she was. To me, I think that is utterly disgusting.

Please don't feel any sympathy towards her because you can all be sure of one thing and that is she doesn't give two f***s about you.

That's fair enough. Yes this story makes a lot of people very angry. It sums up the arrogance of Fine Gael and Irish politicians. I am ashamed I voted for FG for so long.

A good way to vent is to email your local TDs with your thoughts on Bailey, Farrell, Madigan and insurance fraud. And ask your friends and family to do the same.

Venom · 01-11-2019 4:05pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

Theres definitely a strong insinuation about it that Maria thinks if all the facts about her compensation case were in the public domain then she would be exonerated. She wouldnt be of course but thats the type of deluded thinking she is now known for. Madigan must be planking it now about what direction this turns into next. Leo will want to make her go quietly so a plum Seanad seat so she can keep her snout at the trough will likely be on the agenda.

While such a move might make Bailey go quietly and stop her dropping any bombshells, it sure as hell wouldn't make this PR nightmare go away and more likely just blow the issue up to even greater coverage and outrage. TD's acting the maggot is the expected norm in this country overall and for most voters, its something that blows over in a few weeks when attention turns to some other screw up, as for the most part these issues just don't effect the daily lives of enough people for them to stand up and say enough is enough. The difference with swing-gate, is that rising insurance prices really do hit most people in the pocket one way or anther as is how many businesses are being effected by BS claims.

pm1977x · 01-11-2019 6:33pm

Lest we forget, while talking about the (undoubtedly sad) death of her father, that the Bailey family and FG happily ran him on the ticket for the last council elections despite the dogs on the street knowing he had a terminal disease and was on death's door. Why so? Because if a councilor passes while in service his seat is then co-opted. They know no shame and the (sane) people of Dun Laoghaire won't forget this come election time.

It wasnt me123 · 01-11-2019 6:38pm

Not sure why you blamed FG for yer man being elected as a councilor - they didn't force him to put his name on the ballot and if the dogs on the street knew he had a terminal illness, why the hell did they vote for him????

In fact it says more about the man (and the family) that they don't put their constituents first - he should have not restood and told people why and thanked them for their votes and walked away, head held high.

Clearly the apple didn't fall far from the tree - lying about not being able to run - and then running a fast 10km 2 weeks after the incident.

Its a wonder they can sleep straight in bed

Muahahaha · 01-11-2019 7:48pm

pm1977x wrote: »

Lest we forget, while talking about the (undoubtedly sad) death of her father, that the Bailey family and FG happily ran him on the ticket for the last council elections despite the dogs on the street knowing he had a terminal disease and was on death's door. Why so? Because if a councilor passes while in service his seat is then co-opted. They know no shame and the (sane) people of Dun Laoghaire won't forget this come election time.

There really should be some law that says poltiicans diagnosed a terminal illness must vacate their seat. There is nothing to be gained for anyone by them going through a terminal illness unable to do the job they are being paid for. Plus it can have serious consequences- despite the media love affair with Brian Lenehen at the end of the day Ireland sent a man with a terminal illness to a high level negotiation with the Troika and we all know how badly that ended up. Someone with a terminal illness is not negotiating from a position of power, moreso a position of fatalism. Lenehan had lost the game before he was even standing on the pitch.

blanch152 · 01-11-2019 10:27pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

There really should be some law that says poltiicans diagnosed a terminal illness must vacate their seat. There is nothing to be gained for anyone by them going through a terminal illness unable to do the job they are being paid for. Plus it can have serious consequences- despite the media love affair with Brian Lenehen at the end of the day Ireland sent a man with a terminal illness to a high level negotiation with the Troika and we all know how badly that ended up. Someone with a terminal illness is not negotiating from a position of power, moreso a position of fatalism. Lenehan had lost the game before he was even standing on the pitch.

What a disgraceful post.

Are you telling me that Vicky Phelan wouldn’t make a great public representative?

Or is it only terminally ill politicians that you disagree with should stand down?

01-11-2019 10:32pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

There really should be some law that says poltiicans diagnosed a terminal illness must vacate their seat. There is nothing to be gained for anyone by them going through a terminal illness unable to do the job they are being paid for. Plus it can have serious consequences- despite the media love affair with Brian Lenehen at the end of the day Ireland sent a man with a terminal illness to a high level negotiation with the Troika and we all know how badly that ended up. Someone with a terminal illness is not negotiating from a position of power, moreso a position of fatalism. Lenehan had lost the game before he was even standing on the pitch.

The other side of that coin is that if someone gets a terminal illness and is all of a sudden in a bad position - you're taking away their income and making life incredibly tough for them.

WishUWereHere · 01-11-2019 10:33pm

Snow Garden wrote: »

Wow! That's a shot across the bows. It's such a durty story - we all know they are hiding the truth. M Martin must have a good snigger at this every day.

Perhaps it’s the fg inactions is the reason mick Martin hasn’t pulled the plug on this embarrassment of a government

blanch152 · 01-11-2019 10:45pm

Deleted User wrote: »

The other side of that coin is that if someone gets a terminal illness and is all of a sudden in a bad position - you're taking away their income and making life incredibly tough for them.

You have to remember that for a lot of the social media warriors politicians aren’t human, they are something else.

We have seen the worst of it on this thread.

tayto lover · 01-11-2019 11:07pm

blanch152 wrote: »

You have to remember that for a lot of the social media warriors politicians aren’t human, they are something else.

We have seen the worst of it on this thread.

In fairness blanch the worst of them has been highlighted too.

blanch152 · 01-11-2019 11:18pm

tayto lover wrote: »

In fairness blanch the worst of them has been highlighted too.

Footballers get it too, it is wrong. Some of the stuff posted about Maria Bailey is just beyond acceptable.

That latest post denigrating terminally ill people was just another low. Disgusting.

Plumbthedepths · 01-11-2019 11:24pm

The misrepresentation and faux outrage is amusing as always.

Judgement day for Maria Bailey.

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