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Will Britain piss off and get on with Brexit II (mod warning in OP)

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭Boredstiff666


    RasTa wrote: »
    Going to be a long couple of years saying yes to the yanks

    I would rather do that than to a bunch of control freaks who want to control everyones lives like the present lot in Europe.

    Besides they all say yes to the yanks as you call it as nearly all of the Europeans armed forces cannot function without the yanks. They are all interlinked from early warning to firing of weapons.

    This already includes the UK ballistic and cruise nuclear weapons.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,116 ✭✭✭✭RasTa


    I would rather do that than to a bunch of control freaks who want to control everyones lives like the present lot in Europe.

    Besides they all say yes to the yanks as you call it as nearly all of the Europeans armed forces cannot function without the yanks. They are all interlinked from early warning to firing of weapons.

    This already includes the UK ballistic and cruise nuclear weapons.

    Oh how the empire has fallen.

    Even getting laughed at for their extradition request


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    I would rather do that than to a bunch of control freaks who want to control everyones lives like the present lot in Europe.

    Yes, I can do nothing without permission or instructions from Brussels. What time to get up, what to have for breakfast......


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭Boredstiff666


    First Up wrote: »
    Yes, I can do nothing without permission or instructions from Brussels. What time to get up, what to have for breakfast......
    My god you seriously have a problem.

    Nobody said or even meant that kind of control. Are you really that immature?

    Please sit down and rest.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    Nobody said or even meant that kind of control. Are you really that immature?

    So what kind of control of everyone's lives are you talking about? Do they have it now?


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,572 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    My god you seriously have a problem.

    Nobody said or even meant that kind of control. Are you really that immature?

    Please sit down and rest.

    You specifically said "control freaks" and now you're addressing the poster in a condescending manner. I suggest you use more precise language if you want to avoid this in future.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It'll be some craic if the UK back down and don't use Huawei.

    there is no "Backing down" involved. The UK has made no decision yet and it is still one of national security that most of the eu member states are currently pondering.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭Boredstiff666


    First Up wrote: »
    So what kind of control of everyone's lives are you talking about? Do they have it now?
    The green agenda is the latest............of many.

    But I suppose you are going to find a thousand word post to justify that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,381 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    The green agenda is the latest............of many.

    But I suppose you are going to find a thousand word post to justify that.

    Does Britain not have a "green agenda"?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭Boredstiff666


    Does Britain not have a "green agenda"?
    If they havent they will make their own.

    Ireland could make its own but then if it doesnt match EU's then it is over ruled by the greater EU.

    If Irelands is too strict then citizens or other can go to the EU which can over rule Ireland or fine it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,381 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    If they havent they will make their own.

    Ireland could make its own but then if it doesnt match EU's then it is over ruled by the greater EU.

    If Irelands is too strict then citizens or other can go to the EU which can over rule Ireland or fine it.

    Okay. So Britain is better at setting a green agenda than the EU. Why? Also, is a green agenda not better when more countries conform to the same agenda?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    Ireland could make its own but then if it doesnt match EU's then it is over ruled by the greater EU.


    That's a world wide thing and I'm glad we are dealing with stuff like the transition to electric vehicles as part of a Europe wide programme involving the auto industry among others.

    And as part of the "greater EU" we help shape policies and how they are implemented.

    The UK is free to tackle all that stuff on their own. I hope they can keep up.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭Boredstiff666


    Okay. So Britain is better at setting a green agenda than the EU. Why? Also, is a green agenda not better when more countries conform to the same agenda?

    I never said anybody is better. But I would say a green agenda for example is better made by each individual country to suit whatever problems they may have.

    Ireland does not in reality (not the greens) have a problem and any problems they do have they can introduce policies to suit.

    Whereas the UK and Germany because of population and industry may have huge problems which the remedies would not suit a country like Ireland.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭Boredstiff666


    First Up wrote: »
    That's a world wide thing and I'm glad we are dealing with stuff like the transition to electric vehicles as part of a Europe wide programme involving the auto industry among others.

    And as part of the "greater EU" we help shape policies and how they are implemented.

    The UK is free to tackle all that stuff on their own. I hope they can keep up.


    Yeah yeah yeah...We already know any answer you will give. There is no need to post anymore we know what you will say.

    Anything British or Brexit bad. All EU glorious and heavenly.....we get the message.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    I never said anybody is better. But I would say a green agenda for example is better made by each individual country to suit whatever problems they may have.


    There can have been few challenges in human history better suited to a trans-national, science based, collaborative approach than reducing carbon emmissions and dependence on fossil fuels.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,381 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    I never said anybody is better. But I would say a green agenda for example is better made by each individual country to suit whatever problems they may have.

    Ireland does not in reality (not the greens) have a problem and any problems they do have they can introduce policies to suit.

    Whereas the UK and Germany because of population and industry may have huge problems which the remedies would not suit a country like Ireland.

    But if everybody is playing from the same green agenda then it's a level playing pitch when it comes to trade? Surely the more countries that agree to tackle climate change together the better?

    When you say Ireland doesn't have a problem, do you mean Ireland won't suffer from climate change or that Ireland doesn't contribute to climate change? Because Ireland will suffer and does contribute.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭Boredstiff666


    First Up wrote: »
    There can have been few challenges in human history better suited to a trans-national, science based, collaborative approach than reducing carbon emmissions and dependence on fossil fuels.

    I disagree. You will not stop it and it's probably too late already, but I do think old Mother Earth will sort it out with a vengeance.

    Too many people anyway. The idea of changing our ways so we can carry on producing more and more humans is just folly and nothing but greed.....by humans.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭Boredstiff666


    But if everybody is playing from the same green agenda then it's a level playing pitch when it comes to trade? Surely the more countries that agree to tackle climate change together the better?

    When you say Ireland doesn't have a problem, do you mean Ireland won't suffer from climate change or that Ireland doesn't contribute to climate change? Because Ireland will suffer and does contribute.

    No not at all.

    I think if we are going to adopt green agendas then Ireland hasnt polluted anywhere near as much as the big boys.

    So we can take care of our own problem and because we have spare capacity then the big boys can pay us for any spare capacity of ours that we bring into force.

    For example planting trees. If we needed a billion trees planted here to make our co2 output zero. But we also have capacity for another 100 billion trees. Then we could plant those and get paid from the heavy polluters.

    Otherwise places like Germany get away scot free with a one for all policy and rob Ireland of yet another natural resource like our fish, gas, etc etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    I disagree. You will not stop it and it's probably too late already, but I do think old Mother Earth will sort it out with a vengeance.


    So you think we shouldn't try?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭Boredstiff666


    First Up wrote: »
    So you think we shouldn't try?

    Never said that. But you can, but you will never get anybody to agree.

    When you sit in Ireland with a full gut and nice car and warm house. It's easy to forget or not understand how others live.

    So when you have an idea to save the world. The others less fortunate than you will tell you to get f*cked.

    The others who have more than you but with your idea in practice will lose out......so they will tell you to get f*cked.

    By all means try if you wish.........Have fun.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    I think if we are going to adopt green agendas then Ireland hasnt polluted anywhere near as much as the big boys.


    I think you should beef up on what the "green agenda" actually is but have you any other examples of how the EU is trying to control your life?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭Boredstiff666


    First Up wrote: »
    I think you should beef up on what the "green agenda" actually is but have you any other examples of how the EU is trying to control your life?

    It really is nauseating. Do you have any friends?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,381 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    No not at all.

    I think if we are going to adopt green agendas then Ireland hasnt polluted anywhere near as much as the big boys.

    So we can take care of our own problem and because we have spare capacity then the big boys can pay us for any spare capacity of ours that we bring into force.

    For example planting trees. If we needed a billion trees planted here to make our co2 output zero. But we also have capacity for another 100 billion trees. Then we could plant those and get paid from the heavy polluters.

    Otherwise places like Germany get away scot free with a one for all policy and rob Ireland of yet another natural resource like our fish, gas, etc etc.

    Per capita, Ireland has the third highest emissions of greenhouse gases in the EU. We need the EU to put manners on us.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    Per capita, Ireland has the third highest emissions of greenhouse gases in the EU. We need the EU to put manners on us.

    There's a role for sanctioning abusers but the challenge (and greatest opportunity) is in finding solutions, not culprits.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    It really is nauseating. Do you have any friends?

    OK; no other examples.

    Anything else?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭Boredstiff666


    Per capita, Ireland has the third highest emissions of greenhouse gases in the EU. We need the EU to put manners on us.

    I am not in a position to argue but I would hardly think if we just covered the last 50 years for example. Germany and all the others would leave Ireland trailing in the dust as regards pollution from all sources and the new enemy greenhouse gas emissions.

    So really just taking a few years since Ireland has been back on its feet again is misleading.

    Also being as the co2 has been around for a few hundred years. If you took all other countries contribution to this and put it against Irelads. You would probably need a microscope to see Ireland even register on the map compared to the other countries.

    Jest for your knowledge when the industrial revolution started most of Europe was covered in dense forests (not Ireland) First of all the chopped this down for charcoal before opening the coal pits.

    Gives you some idea what others have done. Similar to the Amazon today.

    But if you think some green ideas by a bunch of tin pot dictators is going to save the world then carry on.

    Ironic part is that the Brazillian meat produced on Rain forest cleared ground will soon arrive and force our own farmers from the land within a few years. Then Ireland is about to hook up to Frances nuclear power stations in a few months.

    A great way to limit co2...........but to save the planet.....pointless.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,647 ✭✭✭cryptocurrency


    Per capita, Ireland has the third highest emissions of greenhouse gases in the EU. We need the EU to put manners on us.

    Why would anyone wish that? odd


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭Boredstiff666


    I see Leo was at it again yesterday. Beating his chest and talking of British people thinking they are still an empire. Strange that because of all my time in the UK I never heard a normal person talk of an empire. But there you go.

    He then said the Brits better remember that we are 450 million and you are but just 60 million so we are more powerful than you.

    Obviously he trying to look big in front of the electorate as he is bumming in the polls and about to visit the Social Welfare office soon.

    That's the only reason it could have been for him to do this as it was unexpected and totally out of the blue.

    Non of this goes down well in England with normal people. They just see it as another attack on themselves for just exercising their democratic right and voting for what 'they' want.

    Imagine if the roles were reversed and Boris came over here wagging his finger at little Irish people saying you are 4 million and we are bigger than you. I can imagine Pat Kenny needing therapy the next day.

    I saw a video this morning on same matter which showed that Ireland was 100% reliant on imported Petroleum products with over 90% of them coming from the UK. Also regardless of the new ferry routes, Ireland is reliant on the land bridge across the UK for its exports and desperately needs the open border link through NI to the UK.

    If I was an Irish leader I would keep my mouth shut and not go around threatening anybody. Let alone a neighbour who could stop the entire country in a few days and in the middle of winter as well.

    Go on First Up........... Explain to us how it was all the British peoples fault for yesterdays performance and how the Brits who were minding their own business yesterday deserved such an onslaught.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,909 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Obviously he trying to look big in front of the electorate as he is bumming in the polls and about to visit the Social Welfare office soon.


    Leo on the dole, I think not! Leo will more than likely be financially comfortable for the remainder of his life. I'm completely unaware of any former Taoiseach that has ever ended up on the dole


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭Boredstiff666


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    Leo on the dole, I think not! Leo will more than likely be financially comfortable for the remainder of his life. I'm completely unaware of any former Taoiseach that has ever ended up on the dole

    T'was a joke. :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,909 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    T'was a joke.


    Ha


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,690 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    T'was a joke. :rolleyes:
    So, presumably, was this:
    Imagine if the roles were reversed and Boris came over here wagging his finger at little Irish people saying you are 4 million and we are bigger than you. I can imagine Pat Kenny needing therapy the next day.
    This is exactly the line the British government did take, along with much of the Brexiteer commentariat. We didn't resort to therapy; we just waited for reality to assert itself, and in due course the UK backed down and accepted the backstop with the internal frontier that no British government could ever possibly accept.

    It's the brexiteers, I think, who will need therapy to come to terms with what they have done to their country, but they haven't reached that point yet. They are still in denial. Therapy is only useful after denial has ceased to be an effective psychological defence mechanism.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭Boredstiff666


    Peregrinus wrote: »
    So, presumably, was this:


    This is exactly the line the British government did take, along with much of the Brexiteer commentariat. We didn't resort to therapy; we just waited for reality to assert itself, and in due course the UK backed down and accepted the backstop with the internal frontier that no British government could ever possibly accept.

    It's the brexiteers, I think, who will need therapy to come to terms with what they have done to their country, but they haven't reached that point yet. They are still in denial. Therapy is only useful after denial has ceased to be an effective psychological defence mechanism.

    I waited and waited until it came and I knew it had to be the Brits fault:D:D:D True to form and so predictable.

    You lot really need some help honestly. I don't know what its called but its bad.

    An Irish obsession with everybody else's business but when its pointed out they are wrong you just cant take self criticism or face reality.

    It is always somebody else's fault.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,690 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    I waited and waited until it came and I knew it had to be the Brits fault:D:D:D True to form and so predictable.

    You lot really need some help honestly. I don't know what its called but its bad.

    An Irish obsession with everybody else's business but when its pointed out they are wrong you just cant take self criticism or face reality.

    It is always somebody else's fault.
    The honours students will note that none of this has anything to do with anything that I said in my post. And that boredstiff has not contradicted or denied anything that I said in my post.

    This is what we call a smokescreen, people. It's what Brexiteers do when they hope to distract from inconvenient facts, like that fact that the UK has already tried precisely the tactic that Brexiteer mentioned, and that it was a complete bust.


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    Peregrinus wrote: »

    This is exactly the line the British government did take, along with much of the Brexiteer commentariat. We didn't resort to therapy; we just waited for reality to assert itself, and in due course the UK backed down and accepted the backstop with the internal frontier that no British government could ever possibly accept..

    Was this before or after the Irish list their collective **** over an imagined threat to starve the Irish, followed by obligatory discussions about the famine, genocide and reparations?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭Boredstiff666


    Peregrinus wrote: »
    The honours students will note that none of this has anything to do with anything that I said in my post. And that boredstiff has not contradicted or denied anything that I said in my post.

    This is what we call a smokescreen, people. It's what Brexiteers do when they hope to distract from inconvenient facts, like that fact that the UK has already tried precisely the tactic that Brexiteer mentioned, and that it was a complete bust.

    The smokescreen is yours my dear. My post was just about the events of yesterday and the importance of petroleum products and a land route to Ireland.

    You had to blame the Brits somehow so you took it elsewhere than what my post was about.

    Predictable.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,690 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    I quoted your post directly. Are you denying that you wrote what I quoted, or are you denying that you meant what you wrote?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,831 ✭✭✭theological


    The idea that the UK thinks itself an empire has been repeated here again and again and it is as absurd as suggesting that the UK can't be prosperous outside of the EU. The UK economy is about the same size as the smallest 18 member states combined. Many countries with economies which are smaller than the British one are perfectly fine outside of such an arrangement. It would be nice if people could acknowledge that Brexit won't be armageddon.


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    The idea that the UK thinks itself an empire has been repeated here again and again and it is as absurd as suggesting that the UK can't be prosperous outside of the EU. The UK economy is about the same size as the smallest 18 member states combined. Many countries with economies which are smaller than the British one are perfectly fine outside of such an arrangement. It would be nice if people could acknowledge that Brexit won't be armageddon.

    this is where the debate on this and other threads just descends in to farce. the brief and somewhat pointless debate around job losses at Land Rover are a good example.

    it is possible to not be a supporter of Brexit and also not think it is apocalyptic at the same time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    Go on First Up........... Explain to us how it was all the British peoples fault for yesterdays performance and how the Brits who were minding their own business yesterday deserved such an onslaught.

    Onslaught?

    Varadkar compared the relative sizes of the EU and UK. If you find the facts threatening you better fasten your seat belt.


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,572 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Aegir wrote: »
    Was this before or after the Irish list their collective **** over an imagined threat to starve the Irish, followed by obligatory discussions about the famine, genocide and reparations?

    All of Ireland lost its sh*t? Proof please.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    All of Ireland lost its sh*t? Proof please.

    Ellis O'Hanlon sums it up nicely in the Indo.

    https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/eilis-ohanlon-brits-want-to-starve-the-irish-is-the-definition-of-fake-news-37607873.html

    That fact that it is still raised on here and other forums regularly would indicate this has now entered the public psyche in the way bendy bananas could only dream of.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,572 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Aegir wrote: »
    Ellis O'Hanlon sums it up nicely in the Indo.

    https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/eilis-ohanlon-brits-want-to-starve-the-irish-is-the-definition-of-fake-news-37607873.html

    That fact that it is still raised on here and other forums regularly would indicate this has now entered the public psyche in the way bendy bananas could only dream of.

    One person's reaction, then and not the Irish as a whole. Right.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,690 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    The idea that the UK thinks itself an empire has been repeated here again and again and it is as absurd . . .
    It's not that absurd. There's abundant evidence, for example, that many who supported Brexit because they objected to EU citizens exercising their rights as such in the UK did so in the expectation that British citizens would be able to continue to exercise similar rights in the EU, regard this expectation as perfectly reasonable and think that if it isn't so, this will be the EU "punishing" the UK. What is that, if not an essentially imperialist attitude which assumes that British citizenship is a status carrying superior rights that other countries must respect?

    (But in fact, as I understand it, Varadkar's comment was not that the UK regards itself as an empire, but that the UK - or, at least, Brexiters in the UK - regard the EU as an empire, and so fundamentally misunderstand it.)
    . . . as suggesting that the UK can't be prosperous outside of the EU.
    "Prosperous" isn't a binary. Countries can be more or less prosperous. The question is not, therefore, whether the UK can be prosperous outside the EU, but whether it can be as prosperous outside the EU as it can within.

    Brexiters generally answer this question in one of two ways - (A) yes it can; or (B) no it can't, but the diminution in prosperity is a price worth paying for other intangible but nevertheless real advantages which will accrue from Brexit.
    The UK economy is about the same size as the smallest 18 member states combined. Many countries with economies which are smaller than the British one are perfectly fine outside of such an arrangement. It would be nice if people could acknowledge that Brexit won't be armageddon.
    It won't be Armageddon, but that's a fairly thin justification for Brexit, surely? The fact that the UK economy is about the same size as 18 countries with considerably smaller economies is a massive irrelevance; if having a large economy was a measure of prosperity then UK outside the EU would be much, much less prosperous than the EU, which will have an economy greater than that of five UKs. But that's a nonsensical calculation (in both cases).

    The question is, is Brexit going to make Britain poorer? The answer, by most projections, is "yes". There is dispute over how much poorer, partly because people argue over the basis of the projections, and partly because the projections depend on events yet to unfold, like "how much worse than single market participation will the UK/EU trade deal be?" But all of the projections show Brexit as impoverishing the UK; the only ones which do not depend on the UK government adopting policies which it has said it will not adopt (and which would probably be politically unacceptable).

    Which brings me back to the point I made above. Brexiters who assert that Brexit will make the UK more prosperous are, to put it kindly, guilty of wishful thinking. To put it less kindly, they are delusional. I have more time for those Brexiters who accept that, yes, Brexit will cost the UK something, in material terms, but who attempt to mount an argument that this is a price worth paying. I don't think I have come across a version of this argument which convinces me, but it strikes me as more realistic and more honest that outright denial of the economic harm that Brexit entails.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,511 ✭✭✭KildareP


    I see Leo was at it again yesterday. Beating his chest and talking of British people thinking they are still an empire. Strange that because of all my time in the UK I never heard a normal person talk of an empire. But there you go.

    He then said the Brits better remember that we are 450 million and you are but just 60 million so we are more powerful than you.

    Obviously he trying to look big in front of the electorate as he is bumming in the polls and about to visit the Social Welfare office soon.

    That's the only reason it could have been for him to do this as it was unexpected and totally out of the blue.
    He was giving an interview with a UK interviewer on a UK channel to be aired in a part of the schedule the vast majority of Irish people don't watch. Call it putting a perspective on the oft-uttered "they need us more than we need them" mantra. What did you expect, him to agree with everything put to him?
    Non of this goes down well in England with normal people. They just see it as another attack on themselves for just exercising their democratic right and voting for what 'they' want.
    The EU and it's populace really don't care what English people think.

    This thread keeps an interest purely out of watching what's going on on the ground in the UK but your average Joe or Jane on the streets of Ireland couldn't care less what the English think of them or anyone else.
    Imagine if the roles were reversed and Boris came over here wagging his finger at little Irish people saying you are 4 million and we are bigger than you. I can imagine Pat Kenny needing therapy the next day.
    Johnson doesn't even have the wherewithall to manage that. He came over here to meet Varadkar spouting meaningless optimism and bluff to hide the reality he doesn't seem to have a clue what "his" WAB actually entails. Still doesn't (still no checks between GB/NI, apparently).
    The most talked about takeaway from his meeting here was this gem:
    johnson-dub.gif?w=470&ssl=1
    I saw a video this morning on same matter which showed that Ireland was 100% reliant on imported Petroleum products with over 90% of them coming from the UK. Also regardless of the new ferry routes, Ireland is reliant on the land bridge across the UK for its exports and desperately needs the open border link through NI to the UK.
    Ah wonderful, yes, threaten Ireland now with fuel and supply shortages.

    Just remember:
    - 47% of UK gas comes through European pipelines
    - Britain's broadcast media - including terrestrial Freeview and DAB - is heavily reliant on EU-based and owned satellite companies to function effectively
    - NI is still reliant on landbridge to get goods to/from GB
    - The UK is reliant on ongoing co-operation to travel through EU airspace unless they want to make fuel-hungry and time consuming diversions to the very North of GB to get anywhere they want in the world

    So go on, try it.


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    One person's reaction, then and not the Irish as a whole. Right.

    one person's reaction?

    Did you not read the article?


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,572 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Aegir wrote: »
    one person's reaction?

    Did you not read the article?

    A few people. Hardly representative of a country of over 4 million to be honest.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,987 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Aegir wrote: »
    one person's reaction?

    Did you not read the article?

    Your own parliament went pretty wild on what was seen as a fairly clear inference in what she said. She was responding/quoting an article that highlighted food shortages in Ireland.
    Your PM May had to answer questions on it in the HoC and disassociate her government from them. One of YOUR Mp's lambasted her
    "Priti Patel's comments expose either extreme callousness or ignorance. Shame on her either way for throwing salt at old wounds."

    Fairly typical you are laying the 'over reaction' solely at the door of the Irish people.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭Imreoir2


    The UK economy is about the same size as the smallest 18 member states combined. It would be nice if people could acknowledge that Brexit won't be armageddon.

    The Irish economey is larger than the smallest 8 member states combined and Ireland is itself a small member state. There are counties in Ireland with a larger economey than some EU member states, but that does not make us an economic superpower. The point you make gets thrown about is if it should hold some weight but the EU has a lot of small members, so what exactly is your point? The reality is that the UK will not get as good a deal from the EU as even the smallest member of the EU gets.

    Brexit won't be armageddon for the UK, but if that is the bar you have set then you need to take a serious look at what you are doing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    Imreoir2 wrote:
    The Irish economey is larger than the smallest 8 member states combined and Ireland is itself a small member state. There are counties in Ireland with a larger economey than some EU member states, but that does not make us an economic superpower. The point you make gets thrown about is if it should hold some weight but the EU has a lot of small members, so what exactly is your point? The reality is that the UK will not get as good a deal from the EU as even the smallest member of the EU gets.

    It needs to be remembered (because it often isn't) that the EU is not about countries "doing deals" with each other.

    Wealth creation, industry, investment decisions, capital flows, employment and trade are all predominantly carried out by the private sector. Trade happens not because of "deals"; it happens when two private companies decide to do business. The EU and UK could agree a free trade "deal" and it would not guarantee a single transaction between them.

    Private companies all over the world decide who to do business with - who to buy from, sell to, use as intermediaries and so on. They take many things into account but nobody forces them to make their choice.

    Membership of the EU and Single Market make it as easy as it can be for companies to do business with each other. The governments of the member states regulate the (common) business environment but otherwise get out of the way. It is as easy for a company in Belgium to do business with a counterpart in Poland or Greece as it is with someone down the road. After that, it is down to competition on quality, price and service.

    By leaving the EU and SM, the UK is making it a lot harder for companies in the EU to decide to give their business to a company in the UK. And so far, there is no evidence that they will compensate for this by making it any easier for companies in other parts of the world to do business with UK counterparts than they do now.

    This is the reality of it.


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