The Joe Rogan Experience Podcasts

31-01-2022 11:30pm

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El_Duderino 09 · 01-02-2022 2:22am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118561778#Comment_118561778

Yeah but once these characters get involved in the anti-woke stuff, thst seems to be where they put all their focus. They can't let it go. Peterson makes his money from it. I imagine most of the people who buy his books are probably disappointed it's not all about feminists and cancel culture because that's where all the attention he gets, comes from.

I'd expect Rogan to keep going down that path until he goes too far for too long and Spotify decides to drop him. Then he's really made it as a hero to the right.

JRant · 01-02-2022 8:50am

I haven't watched any of Peterson since his return from illness but up to then he was a fairly middle of the road type character with some centre left ideas. Being against forced speech by the government should not be a controversial position to hold. Neither should trying to add a bit of balance and nuance to the endless gender debates. Yet, we live in a world where stating that some women don't want C suite jobs and prefer to raise a family seems to imply you are the second coming of Hitler.

It's all gone a bit mad Ted, if you ask me.

El_Duderino 09 · 01-02-2022 9:07am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118563516#Comment_118563516

What were Peterson's centre left ideas?

JRant · 01-02-2022 9:52am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118563564#Comment_118563564

Well he's a firm believer in freedom of speech and also that women should have the freedom to do whatever job they want including raising a family.

dalyboy · 01-02-2022 10:21am

I had no interest in a Spotify subscription however I joined this morning because they believe in freedom of speech. I’ll do my bit in reversing this horrific anti democratic thing called cancel culture.

That said , if they bend the knee to the Suzy snowflakes pressure and remove Rogans podcast I’ll cancel my sub instantly.

El_Duderino 09 · 01-02-2022 10:25am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118563692#Comment_118563692

That's a centre left idea? Fair enough if it iscentre left, I would have just assumed they're absolutely neutral ideas.

Fair to say he sells his wares to a right wing market in the American context.

The Nal · 01-02-2022 10:38am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118561799#Comment_118561799

There were two brains, 3 teams of shooters, backyard photos were faked, JFK knew he was going to be killed, we proved the FBI lied about the chain of custody on the magic bullet, CIA were tracking Oswald before Russia etc etc.

2 hours of this craic.

Joe: "Yeah, uh huh, right, sure".

Sudden Valley · 01-02-2022 11:52am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118563783#Comment_118563783

No chance of that. They have gotten Joe to give that message of contrition and he will continue to make them money. I don't think Young or Mitchell thought Joe was going to be cancelled, they just wanted to make a point, which has been heard. I can't recall Joe being that controversial outside of his covid beliefs so this will all blow over when the pandemic finally disappears.

JRant · 01-02-2022 11:59am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118563801#Comment_118563801

I would have always classed them as centre left ideals alright. Historically freedom of speech and allowing women to choose where they wanted to work were predominantly fought fir by left leaning organisations.

El_Duderino 09 · 01-02-2022 12:50pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118564267#Comment_118564267

Fair enough. It's easy to take for granted the advances that the left fought hard for in the past. The way people go on about the dreaded left, you'd swear it was always and forever a force for evil in the world. I doubt Peterson gives much credit to the the left.

irishguitarlad · 01-02-2022 12:55pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118563783#Comment_118563783

They already took down a good few episodes from there before the whole Neil Young controversy, so I don't think they're the beacons of free speech that you think they are.

The Nal · 01-02-2022 1:06pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118563783#Comment_118563783

They've already removed 40+ of his podcasts, 100s of hours of other podcasts, 100s of hours of stand up comedy etc.

So get cancelling!

The Raging Bile Duct · 01-02-2022 1:12pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118564595#Comment_118564595

But Daniel Ek, the co-founder of Spotify invested €100 million into a military AI firm rather than give the artists on the platform a better royalty rate so take that Suzy Snowflake!!!

JRant · 01-02-2022 1:29pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118564514#Comment_118564514

Not too sure about that. He seems to really value those things. He's just very vocal in his distain for the far left, especially the Lenin/Marxist ideals where someone's identity is stripped back to what particular group they belong to. Again, this is quite a classical Liberal idea where the individual is an entity by themselves. His stance on identity politics (on both sides of the divide i might add) is probably where he gets the most push back. Again, though, a lot of what he says is reasonable I.e. treat people with respect but don't try to force your ideals on anyone else or compell them to use certain words under threat of legislation.

Maybe he's gone off the deep end lately, maybe not. I can't say as I haven't listened to the most recent podcast.

Brussels Sprout · 01-02-2022 2:09pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118563692#Comment_118563692

Freedom of speech is not a centre left idea.

01-02-2022 2:33pm

4 of Rogan and Guests' greatest Covid misinformation and disinformation hits

(Malone for sure disinformation)

Claim: A vaccine can alter your genes

Mr Rogan said: "This is not a vaccine, this is essentially a gene therapy." But this is not true.

Claim: Ivermectin can cure Covid

This claim was made on an episode last year featuring Bret Weinstein, an American author and professor of biology, who said: "Ivermectin alone is capable of driving this pathogen to extinction."

Claim: If you get vaccinated after having had Covid, you're at greater risk of harmful side effects

One of Mr Rogan's most controversial guests has been the virologist Robert Malone.

Mr Malone was banned from Twitter in December last year for violating its Covid misinformation policies. He appeared on Mr Rogan's podcast shortly afterwards.

Among the misleading claims made in this podcast episode was one suggesting people who are vaccinated after having Covid-19 are at greater risk of adverse side effects.

Claim: For young people, the health risks from the vaccine are greater than from Covid

Mr Rogan said: "I don't think it's true there's an increased risk of myocarditis from people catching Covid-19 that are young, versus the risk from the vaccine."

https://www.bbc.com/news/60199614

01-02-2022 2:59pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118565076#Comment_118565076

This also used to be mis/disinformation

Facemasks are an ineffective tool for preventing the spread of Covid-19

Covid-19 was created in a lab

Vaccines prevent the transmission of Covid-19

By far the greatest amount of disinformation and Fake News comes not Joe Rogan or random YouTubers, but the largest media corporations.

01-02-2022 3:06pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118565331#Comment_118565331

No - they were points that more information was learned on (masks) or things changed (Covid variants spread and vaccines)

you're conflating different things

What Rogan and his guests were saying was and is horse shite and in some cases, not just stupid misinformation but active disinformation

masks -> better understanding of airborne nature of Covid led to better understanding of the benefits of masks

lab vs animal -> no definitive proof of what the origin is

vaccines were effective at reducing prior variant spread, not so much omicron

Rogan -> Is a covid mRNA vaccine going to alter your genes? - no - not now and ever

Guest -> Ivermectin was never and never will be "capable of driving this pathogen to extinction"

etc.

Chips Lovell · 01-02-2022 3:14pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118563692#Comment_118563692

Isn't that like saying the right to vote is a centre left idea?

01-02-2022 3:29pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118565400#Comment_118565400

Media outlets, from RTE, BBC, CNN, NBC to The New York Times and The Atlantic, spent four years disseminating one false Russia story after the next — from the Kremlin hacking into Vermont's heating system and Putin's sexual blackmail over Trump to bounties on the heads of U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan, the Biden email archive being "Russian disinformation,” and a mystery weapon that injures the brains of American diplomats with cricket noises — but for some reason none of that is considered "disinformation” that requires cancelling. Neither it seems are false claims that origin of CV-19 which was proven to be zoonotic rather than a lab leak, the vastly overstated claim that vaccines prevent transmission of COVID, or that Julian Assange stole classified documents and caused people to die.

Why is it that the they are free to spout serious falsehoods without being deemed guilty of disinformation?

01-02-2022 3:38pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118562663#Comment_118562663

What's the definition of anti-vax? A 54 year old not getting the covid vaccination is anti-vax in my eyes.

01-02-2022 3:40pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118565673#Comment_118565673

lol whataboutism at it's finest

01-02-2022 3:42pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118565673#Comment_118565673

the issue with Rogan and Spotify etc is about Covid disinformation because when you see that for example, the USA, where the vaccine issue was and still is "complicated", during the delta wave 11 or every 12 Covid deaths in the USA were unvaccinated, when there were 2,000 covid deaths a day, there the impact is pretty clear when vaccination still prevents death in the vast majority of cases.

Even with omicron, which is milder the USA are seeing high Covid death numbers - a lot being unvaccinated deaths which are preventable

when your prior conflation didn't work now you're seeking to broaden this out to all news which is not the point at hand because it's not Covid disinformation related and could meaning looking at all news ever - which is ridiculous

never mind looking at all of Rogan's guests ever on any subject ever and / or all the things that Rogan has ever said on any subject - which is again not the point at hand

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/live-updates/covid-delta-surge/?id=80516253

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60133618

El_Duderino 09 · 01-02-2022 3:49pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118565490#Comment_118565490

The right of aristocrats to vote was a given. The right of normal men to vote, was a radically liberal idea ( through I doubt the term "left" was used back then). Then the right of women was a radically liberal idea, then allowing people like non-whites to vote was radically liberal. Then more recently allowing divorce was radically liberal and decriminalisation of the gays was radically liberal. Then things like caring about the environment was for radical liberals who wear sandals and knit their own muesli

Somehow the liberals are always the gobshytes. Then the ideas become mainstream and people forget the liberals were right years ahead of the rest of the population and move on to ridiculing the left for whatever they're up to at the moment.

I'd bet my bottom dollar that Peterson and Rogan spend a good portion of their 4 hour mutual masterbation session, agreeing with each other about how ridiculous the left is.

01-02-2022 3:54pm

It's weird how you see people arguing against ideas of people they have in their head these days..

JRant · 01-02-2022 4:12pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118565490#Comment_118565490

I suppose it depends on ones definition of 'left' really. I've always associated the left with more Liberal views on society.

01-02-2022 4:15pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118565775#Comment_118565775

The issue at hand is censorship for one set of political ideas and not for the other. In modern-day liberalism, censorship is a religion. They simply cannot stand the idea that anyone who thinks differently or sees the world differently than them should be heard. What used to be called "hate speech" has now morphed into misinformation or disinformation because they can't credibly accuse some people of hate speech so they use mis/disinformation instead.

The U.K.'s Royal Society, its national academy of scientists, this month echoed the view that censorship, is ineffective and breeds even more distrust in authorities. The success of the JRE is highlights that the lack of trust, particularly in traditional media and also because audiences want to hear opinions outside of the tightly sealed echo chambers like RTE, BBC etc. Nobody wants to listen to 20 news channels all saying the same thing with their petulant herd-like employees.

01-02-2022 4:16pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118565743#Comment_118565743

You need to get an eye test or a pair of glasses.

01-02-2022 4:17pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118566000#Comment_118566000

Covid disinformation is not about a "set of political ideas".

It's about bad information that can end up with people dead who didn't need to be dead.

Case in point the 11 of every 12 Covid deaths in the USA being unvaccinated people (example taken from Delta wave when vaccines were available to all in the USA for months and 2,000 people a day dying of Covid) when vaccines were over 90% effective at preventing Covid death.

01-02-2022 4:32pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118566013#Comment_118566013

Who decides what constitutes "disinformation"? Unless you have an MD or phd in your field then why should we listen to you? 11 out of every 12 deaths means nothing on it's own. Why were those people unvaccinated?, how old were they?, did they have underlying conditions?. The simple fact is that this virus, irrespective of variants, overwhelmingly impacts the elderly and co-morbid. Anyone who wants a vaccine has gotten a vaccine. The reality is that if unvaccinated people are dying then it's probably because they were too old, too ill, or both to receive a vaccine. Not because they were listening to the JRE.

01-02-2022 4:53pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118566073#Comment_118566073

I've already shown expert analysis from medical professionals on Rogan and guests' Covid disinformation - I didn't create any of these claims. That's a terribly poor argument effort on your part. to go along with your conflation and joke-level whataboutism.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118565076#Comment_118565076

It has also been shown using surveys and quantitative analysis of same that Rogan has influence over his listeners' vaccine intentions and has influenced them

Joe Rogan told his millions of listeners not to take his anti-vaccine advice seriously. Is it too late?

In short, Rogan repeatedly spread dubious coronavirus-related information. In December 2020, regular Rogan listeners’ intentions to vaccinate were 15 percentage points lower than those of non-listeners. By February 2021, they were 18 percentage points lower, both statistically significant effects.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/05/03/joe-rogan-told-his-millions-listeners-not-take-his-anti-vaccine-advice-seriously-is-it-too-late/

How we did our research

We conducted demographically representative surveys once every two months, beginning in April 2020 and ending in February 2021, via Lucid Theorem’s online opt-in sampling service. Each survey sampled about 1,000 Americans, with the exception of the February 2021 survey, which sampled about 1,500. Lucid Theorem uses quota sampling to produce samples that resemble the U.S. adult population with respect to age, gender identity, racial identity, household income, educational attainment, political partisanship and geographic region. To account for any remaining deviations between the sample and U.S. adult population, we weight responses to U.S. census benchmarks on age, gender, race, household income and educational attainment. Each survey asked respondents to report whether they were “very likely,” “somewhat likely,” “not too likely” or “not likely at all” to be vaccinated against the coronavirus once a vaccine became widely available.

With this information, we scored respondents as more vaccine hesitant — meaning, intending to forgo a vaccine — if they indicated that they were “not too likely” or “not likely at all” to receive a vaccine. In the study’s February wave, those who said they already been vaccinated were scored as not hesitant. We also asked respondents to report how frequently, in the previous month, they had watched or listened to dozens of different programs. In our analysis, we compare the effects of Rogan listenership with how frequently respondents watch “local news” and “national news” broadcasts and listen to programs such as “The Daily” (a popular podcast) and NPR (on the radio).

Respondents could indicate that they watched or listened “never,” “just once or twice,” “about once a week” or “almost every day.” We considered respondents to be regular viewers or listeners of each program if they reported watching or listening to each program at least once a week that month. We also asked respondents about such information as their political partisanship, attitudes toward scientific experts and personal demographics.

Weepsie · 01-02-2022 4:58pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118563783#Comment_118563783

It's their platform, they can dictate the terms of the content. Always could and always did. They've removed content for all sorts of reasons. It's curation. plain and simple.

01-02-2022 5:09pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118566198#Comment_118566198

As I keep saying. We can both find "surveys" and "research" to confirm our bias. That you came up a Washington post article proves this. Surveys and research...

Penn · 01-02-2022 5:13pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118566235#Comment_118566235

They're also held to a higher standard with regards to Rogan's content too given that they paid him a lot of money for exclusivity rights to his podcast. However it also means their hands are tied somewhat, as they likely have a pretty strong deal with him that they can't just remove him easily, and he probably pushed for making sure they can't tell him what he can or can't talk about.

I'd say his recent comments following the Neil Young thing is partially because he doesn't want the negative publicity but also doesn't want to be seen as being an anti-vaxxer.

Penn · 01-02-2022 5:17pm

https://twitter.com/WhispersNewsLTD/status/1488542670142119942?s=20&t=rg1UisIVC7ptuM-jfef6jw

...

01-02-2022 5:21pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118566298#Comment_118566298

Grand then.

Please peruse your bank of "surveys" and "research" that you claim you can find and come back with some similar multiple survey data over a 9 month timeline complete with analysis showing that Rogan has not influenced his listeners' vaccine intentions

Please also provide back up for this pure speculation.

The reality is that if unvaccinated people are dying then it's probably because they were too old, too ill, or both to receive a vaccine.

Especially given that at the time 11 or 12 of Covid deaths in the USA being unvaccinated people in the Delta wave over the 2021 Summer, that less than or barely over 50% of the US population were vaccinated

https://www.google.com/search?q=vaccination+rate+usa&oq=vaccination+rate+usa+&aqs=chrome..69i57j0i20i263i512j0i512l7j0i10.5192j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

JRant · 01-02-2022 6:03pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118566013#Comment_118566013

Well, in America is most certainly was used as a political football. Lest we forget that the vice president herself said she would not trust the trump administration on the vaccines safety. Where are the calls to have Kamala censored or cancelled?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/05/kamala-harris-covid-vaccine-safety-trump-election

So what's worse here, a podcaster with a penchant for DMT or the vice president of the USA?

JRant · 01-02-2022 6:07pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118566198#Comment_118566198

Ah yes, the old correlation =/= causation argument cam be used here. Have more people not taken the vaccine because they listened to the JRE or are more people who are likely to get vaccinated just happening to be listening to him 🤷‍♂️

01-02-2022 6:36pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118566347#Comment_118566347

I'm not here to provide you with anything. If you want to trawl the internet for surveys and "research" to support your pre conceived notions - have at it.

This argument that we need to exclude voices, especially qualified voices, because their views are so dangerous that if people hear those voices they'll become more sceptical about vaccines and people will die. That is an argument no one believes and I'll explain why. Trust in the WHO and CDC will only happen when all voices can be aired, if Dr. Malone can be heard and then Dr. Fauci can say what he got wrong, people can use their reasoning to decide what they think is correct. When you see institutions of authority banning and prohibiting any questioning of their decrees, the normal reaction is to distrust those institutions. They come across as authoritarian and tyrannical not trusting and benevolent. Aside from the fact that censorship and banning people from platforms doesn't work, it actually makes them more alluring which is why over 40m people have listened to the Robert Malone episode because twitter had just banned him days before.

01-02-2022 6:54pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118566702#Comment_118566702

Yes - you have shown nothing but conflation, whataboutism and haven't been able to back up even 1 of your speculations.

Free speech has never meant lack of accountability and never will, especially in the case of public health.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/joe-rogan-podcast-spotify-covid-malone-b2002301.html?r=71291

Imogen Coe, Founding Dean of the Faculty of Science at Ryerson University in Toronto, Canada, claimed Rogan has not simply spread misinformation once, but kept doing so.

“Why would someone deliberately share information that is potentially damaging to the health and well being of others? That needs to be addressed and health professionals in particular have a duty of care and scientists have an ethical responsibility to speak up,” she said.

Asked how an open society should balance free speech and discussion with the need to combat misinformation about the spread of Covid, she said: “There appears to be a conflation with ‘free society’ meaning anyone can say anything, including misinformation and falsehoods, without being held accountable for it.”

She added: “Falsehoods and misinformation that lead to illness and death (which happens when scientific consensus and public health directives are undermined) surely must be challenged in a free society.”

01-02-2022 7:00pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118566566#Comment_118566566

The data collected according to recognised sampling methods and the analysis approach conducted is a lot more convincing than you showing precisely nothing to the contrary

the authors even acknowledged it being correlational but also compared the Rogan audience against audiences of other podcasts where the vaccine hesitancy did not increase

In short, Rogan repeatedly spread dubious coronavirus-related information. In December 2020, regular Rogan listeners’ intentions to vaccinate were 15 percentage points lower than those of non-listeners. By February 2021, they were 18 percentage points lower, both statistically significant effects.

That’s also noticeably different than for listeners of comparable radio programs and podcasts. Regular NPR radio and “The Daily” podcast listeners, for example, were statistically neither more or less likely to intend to vaccinate throughout the duration of the study and in some survey waves were even significantly more likely than non-listeners to intend to vaccinate. For example, in December 2020, NPR and “The Daily” listeners’ intentions to vaccinate were respectively 18 and 19 percentage points higher than those of non-listeners.

Our data is correlational. We cannot determine that listening to Rogan causes someone to become skeptical about the vaccine; people who are skeptical about the vaccine may be more likely to listen to Rogan. But we can conclude that Rogan’s audience is more likely to hesitate to get the vaccine, compared with listeners of our set of other podcasts and radio programs.

This finding is consistent with the idea that Rogan listeners may be heeding his and his guests’ nonexpert medical advice. As someone who is able to garner a truly massive audience in a very fragmented media landscape, Rogan’s voice becomes very important — both because he is influential and because his influence is often ignored by researchers and public health planners who tend to focus on legacy and social media.

JRant · 01-02-2022 7:37pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118566820#Comment_118566820

So we are in agreement, there's no way of knowing which of those statements is true.

In that last paragraph the word 'may' is doing a lot of heavy lifting. It's also full of ifs buts and maybes. It reads like an opinion piece rather than a factual study with more than a littke whiff of bias.

01-02-2022 7:43pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118567001#Comment_118567001

they went out and contracted the surveys and analysis to be professionally done on several occasions over 9 months across the audiences of different podcasts.

yet only Rogan's podcast listeners showed increased vaccine hesitancy over the period.

that's what was recorded.

JRant · 01-02-2022 8:09pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118567041#Comment_118567041

Seems like a fairly arbitrary set of criteria to measure it against. Did they account for age, who they follow on twitter, party affiliation, profession, etc etc etc.

It's a complete stretch to be making the types of claims they are making, that's all I'm saying.

01-02-2022 8:14pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118567172#Comment_118567172

Did they account for age, who they follow on twitter, party affiliation, profession, etc etc etc.

Did you actually just miss or just wilfully ignore the part about "How we did our research" that I posted in my original post about this data?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118566198/#Comment_118566198

How we did our research

We conducted demographically representative surveys once every two months, beginning in April 2020 and ending in February 2021, via Lucid Theorem’s online opt-in sampling service. Each survey sampled about 1,000 Americans, with the exception of the February 2021 survey, which sampled about 1,500. Lucid Theorem uses quota sampling to produce samples that resemble the U.S. adult population with respect to age, gender identity, racial identity, household income, educational attainment, political partisanship and geographic region.

To account for any remaining deviations between the sample and U.S. adult population, we weight responses to U.S. census benchmarks on age, gender, race, household income and educational attainment. Each survey asked respondents to report whether they were “very likely,” “somewhat likely,” “not too likely” or “not likely at all” to be vaccinated against the coronavirus once a vaccine became widely available.

With this information, we scored respondents as more vaccine hesitant — meaning, intending to forgo a vaccine — if they indicated that they were “not too likely” or “not likely at all” to receive a vaccine. In the study’s February wave, those who said they already been vaccinated were scored as not hesitant. We also asked respondents to report how frequently, in the previous month, they had watched or listened to dozens of different programs. In our analysis, we compare the effects of Rogan listenership with how frequently respondents watch “local news” and “national news” broadcasts and listen to programs such as “The Daily” (a popular podcast) and NPR (on the radio).

Respondents could indicate that they watched or listened “never,” “just once or twice,” “about once a week” or “almost every day.” We considered respondents to be regular viewers or listeners of each program if they reported watching or listening to each program at least once a week that month. We also asked respondents about such information as their political partisanship, attitudes toward scientific experts and personal demographics.

Again simply what was recorded ->

Out of the listeners of different podcasts, Rogan's podcast listeners showed increased vaccine hesitancy over the period.

That's outside of any claim.

JRant · 01-02-2022 8:23pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118567201#Comment_118567201

I did actually miss that in your first post. No need for the passive aggressive reply at all. There was nothing willful about it. Sometimes people do just miss stuff in posts.

SuperBowserWorld · 01-02-2022 8:33pm

Neil Young, Old Man, brilliant song and performance here. Will take my mind off the fact that I can't listen to this on my Spotify account now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=An2a1_Do_fc

Cienciano · 01-02-2022 9:07pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118563783#Comment_118563783

So, if Spotify do what you don't agree with, you'll engage in "cancel culture" yourself?

01-02-2022 9:11pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118566786#Comment_118566786

What exactly do you want me to back up? Either you are for censorship or against censorship. Aside from the fact that censorship doesn't work considering that Dr. Malone's podcast has been listened to over 40 million times just days after he was banned from twitter. T

The issue for me isn't whether censorship works or doesn't work, I think it's unethical and inherently dangerous to silence people, particularly ones qualified in their field because the capacity for human corruption is so high one of the few checks against corruption and human error is to ensure that those in authority are challenged and that dissent is allowed.

The Joe Rogan Experience Podcasts

Comments

Claim: A vaccine can alter your genes

Claim: Ivermectin can cure Covid

Claim: If you get vaccinated after having had Covid, you're at greater risk of harmful side effects

Claim: For young people, the health risks from the vaccine are greater than from Covid