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Hyundai Ioniq 28kWh

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,317 ✭✭✭lafors


    Kramer wrote: »
    Carrying on from recent posts, I just checked the Ioniq again with Torque/OBD.
    .....
    .....
    Cumulative charge/discharge current are near identical - 20,800Ah odd.

    Interesting :).

    What OBD unit are you using with torque?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,227 ✭✭✭Kramer


    In terms of running costs, I calculated it has cost €0.004/km in energy costs (night rate @ 7.5c/kWh & free Ecars/EasyGo etc.), €0.007/km in servicing costs (tyres & servicing) & saved over €1,000 in tolls, motor tax & parking.
    It probably all works out at 1c/km running cost.

    Depreciation too should be very small, going by unkel's experience.

    All in all, financially a great car & the added kudos of saving penguins :D.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,227 ✭✭✭Kramer


    lafors wrote: »
    What OBD unit are you using with torque?

    It's just a generic ELM327 bluetooth unit, probably from Amazon or China, several years ago now. I think it was €5 or €6.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,123 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Where is your windscreen washer tank and brake fluid tank located in the ioniq?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,227 ✭✭✭Kramer


    Gael23 wrote: »
    Where is your windscreen washer tank and brake fluid tank located in the ioniq?

    :confused:

    Same as in any car, under the bonnet :confused:.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,227 ✭✭✭Kramer


    Gees, no love for the Ioniq since unkel bailed out & jumped ship to Tesla :eek:.

    So, following on from someone's question regarding their Ioniq & OBD data etc., I installed CanIoniq on my Android phone & was impressed with its GUI & presentation of Ioniq data.
    It's very like Leaf Spy & far better than the presentation of the Torque Pro app I used previously.

    My fully charged Ioniq showing the top buffer - 100% SoC on GOM = 95% in BMS. Fully charged battery shows as 398v.
    8dIRFwy.jpg

    Again, fully charged, all 96 cell pairs show at 4.14v with zero deviation - great indicator of longevity IMO.

    OJ1VYX8.jpg

    At 79% SoC indicated (GOM), pack voltage 373v, all cells showing at 3.88v. Again, zero deviation for all 96 cell pairs.

    PByr9GE.jpg

    State of Health = 100% approaching 49k on clock.

    There are other screens/graphs within the app, all presented well & interesting for those with an analytical mind.

    Altitude graph from phone's GPS which can be correlated with accelerator position, energy consumption, odometer etc.

    WyQnixX.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,708 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Kramer wrote: »
    Gees, no love for the Ioniq since unkel bailed out & jumped ship to Tesla :eek:

    Nope, I'm still subscribed to this thread and I'll help out with any questions if I can

    Ioniq is an excellent EV and you will never hear me say otherwise :)


  • Moderators Posts: 12,381 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    unkel wrote: »

    Ioniq is an excellent EV and you will never hear me say otherwise :)

    ... The 38.... :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,217 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    I'm of the same boat as Unkel.
    Ioniq 28 is the best non Tesla EV out there.
    38 is a sham


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,317 ✭✭✭lafors


    lafors wrote: »
    So I took the last 30 trips data (what the Ioniq records) and for 688km my average is 16.76kWh/100km

    So actually working that out it's around 167km range I think.
    I'd say you're right then, clearer roads and a heavier than normal foot are the factors :o

    Is there any way of clearing the memory of those trips? I'd be interested to see what the current distance is without driver influence :)

    So interestingly enough I decided to do a test, I turned off regenerative braking, I always had it set to 3 (full). I've now turned it off completely.
    With it off I'm now getting 12kWh/100Km consistently on my ~60km return journey from work.
    That works out at a max range of ~233km. The range on the car on 100% is increasing day by day so it's obviously using those last 30 odd trips to calculate it.

    I guess regenerative braking is useful for city driving but not for motorway driving?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,496 ✭✭✭irishgrover


    lafors wrote: »
    So interestingly enough I decided to do a test, I turned off regenerative braking, I always had it set to 3 (full). I've now turned it off completely.
    With it off I'm now getting 12kWh/100Km consistently on my ~60km return journey from work.
    That works out at a max range of ~233km. The range on the car on 100% is increasing day by day so it's obviously using those last 30 odd trips to calculate it.

    I guess regenerative braking is useful for city driving but not for motorway driving?

    personally I would never have any regen on when on a motorway (unless it was very very congested).

    From a pure physics pov the most efficient way to drive is always going to be minimal acceleration and minimal or zero breaking (through regen or traditional)


  • Moderators Posts: 12,381 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    ELM327 wrote: »
    I'm of the same boat as Unkel.
    Ioniq 28 is the best non Tesla EV out there.
    38 is a sham

    The dreaded second album


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,819 ✭✭✭Silent Running


    lafors wrote: »
    So interestingly enough I decided to do a test, I turned off regenerative braking, I always had it set to 3 (full). I've now turned it off completely.
    With it off I'm now getting 12kWh/100Km consistently on my ~60km return journey from work.
    That works out at a max range of ~233km. The range on the car on 100% is increasing day by day so it's obviously using those last 30 odd trips to calculate it.

    I guess regenerative braking is useful for city driving but not for motorway driving?

    I always drive with the least regen possible. It takes more power to build up the speed than regen can ever recover, so while regen is good for some situations, it's not good for most.

    Coast on 0 regen as much as you can and use the paddles to slow you down when you need to. I know the brakes bring on regen, but not as efficiently as I can when I control it with the paddles.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,708 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    lafors wrote: »
    I guess regenerative braking is useful for city driving but not for motorway driving?

    Exactly. Regen braking is nowhere near 100% efficient, so it is only beneficial if you had to brake anyway, like coming to a stop for a traffic light. Everywhere else it wastes energy (and if you have to brake, then the brake pedal has a very high level of regen too, the friction brakes are rarely used). So if you want to maximise your range (not in city driving), switch off regen completely. This is also where Ioniq is best of all as it has incredibly low resistance when coasting.

    In Ioniq I left my regen at 2, only to switch it off occasionally if I was a bit pushed for range or on long motorway journeys. But that was more laziness than anything else.


  • Registered Users Posts: 55 ✭✭cluaindiuic


    Relatively early on when I got my Ioniq I tried a couple of tests with the regen. I always felt you get better range with it fully turned off. You lose all coasting benefits when you have regen on. So I always have it at zero, except when rolling down the Connor pass. That's good fun with regen on.


  • Registered Users Posts: 237 ✭✭bootser


    Hi All,

    just looking for a bit of your 'nous! Seen this ad and I'm wondering whats wrong with it?!

    https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/hyundai-ioniq-ev-5dr-auto/24871330

    Is this one to avoid? Is the price so low because of the mileage?!:confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,708 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    It's very, very cheap. At that mileage (136k km) you almost certainly will have some noticeable degradation, but we are probably talking a range reduction of not much more than 20km here (giving you 180km instead of the original 200km or something of that order)

    And for peace of mind, the car still has an additional 2 years of bumper to bumper manufacturers warranty and 5 years of battery warranty. I sure would buy it at that price, no problem.


  • Moderators Posts: 12,381 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    bootser wrote: »
    Hi All,

    just looking for a bit of your 'nous! Seen this ad and I'm wondering whats wrong with it?!

    https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/hyundai-ioniq-ev-5dr-auto/24871330

    Is this one to avoid? Is the price so low because of the mileage?!:confused:
    Please note €2,000 Scrappage Allowance included, full retail price €17,900

    There's your hint there. Still an ok price given the high mileage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,217 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    That's some deal.

    Wonder if he'd do a cash my way deal for my S.
    I do miss the Ioniq 28. But it's because I'm not driving as much these days with Covid. A gen1 leaf with 60km range would do me right now!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,708 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    ELM327 wrote: »
    That's some deal.

    Wonder if he'd do a cash my way deal for my S.
    I do miss the Ioniq 28.

    I'm sure he would. He sold a Model S a few days ago (to one of the posters in here)

    Remember why you got rid of the Ioniq though? Apart from needing to free up your financing you buy your house? The range wasn't quite enough for you (in winter at motorway speeds). Public fast charging hasn't improved much since then, but maybe there is a crucial new charger on one of your tighter routes?

    But as a general rule, cash outflow for a small business like a second hand car dealer, is not good, so don't expect a good deal there. Sell your Model S on here for a decent price and you will probably do a better deal, not that I expect that Ioniq to hang around long...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,217 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    unkel wrote: »
    I'm sure he would. He sold a Model S a few days ago (to one of the posters in here)

    Remember why you got rid of the Ioniq though? Apart from needing to free up your financing you buy your house? The range wasn't quite enough for you (in winter at motorway speeds). Public fast charging hasn't improved much since then, but maybe there is a crucial new charger on one of your tighter routes?

    But as a general rule, cash outflow for a small business like a second hand car dealer, is not good, so don't expect a good deal there. Sell your Model S on here for a decent price and you will probably do a better deal, not that I expect that Ioniq to hang around long...


    Yeah, Gorey and Athlone Ionity have removed that problem. Range wouldnt be an issue now.
    Ah I don't know, when/if we go back to 50k km a year I'm sure I'll be fine in the S, it's just annoying me sitting there saying "drive me"!

    Who'd buy my S here anyway... sure all I get is anti tesla hate :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,708 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    ELM327 wrote: »
    Ah I don't know, when/if we go back to 50k km a year I'm sure I'll be fine in the S, it's just annoying me sitting there saying "drive me"!

    Ah sure it could be worse. The big Tesla is costing just €0.30 in motor tax sitting there. I have looked at cars wasting away €5 a day in motor tax alone, doing nothing :(
    ELM327 wrote: »
    Who'd buy my S here anyway... sure all I get is anti tesla hate :P

    I'd say you'd be surprised. For a realistic sales price there are always serious bargain hunters out there that can get their finances sorted at very short notice.


  • Registered Users Posts: 237 ✭✭bootser


    unkel wrote: »
    It's very, very cheap. At that mileage (136k km) you almost certainly will have some noticeable degradation, but we are probably talking a range reduction of not much more than 20km here (giving you 180km instead of the original 200km or something of that order)

    And for peace of mind, the car still has an additional 2 years of bumper to bumper manufacturers warranty and 5 years of battery warranty. I sure would buy it at that price, no problem.


    So, would there be an easy way to check the battery SOH? just look on the dash? and how does the battery warranty work? If it drops to a certain level within the 5 years will Hyundai replace it?
    Sorry for all the questions, never really looked into the Ioniq too much as felt it was too expensive for me(new or second-hand), but could possibly stretch at that price!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,227 ✭✭✭Kramer


    bootser wrote: »
    So, would there be an easy way to check the battery SOH?

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=113570721&postcount=9307

    :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,708 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    bootser wrote: »
    and how does the battery warranty work? If it drops to a certain level within the 5 years will Hyundai replace it?

    Yeah pretty much. And I think the warranty might be limited to 200k km too, whatever comes first. But in practice it is very unlikely you will need to get the battery replaced. Just have realistic expectations that the car will likely only have about 80% capacity when it is 10 years old with 300k km on it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 237 ✭✭bootser


    unkel wrote: »
    It's very, very cheap. At that mileage (136k km) you almost certainly will have some noticeable degradation, but we are probably talking a range reduction of not much more than 20km here (giving you 180km instead of the original 200km or something of that order)
    Just on the mileage , so you reckon it will have about 180km range now? Down to maybe 160km at 300k? TIA


  • Moderators Posts: 12,381 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    bootser wrote: »
    Just on the mileage , so you reckon it will have about 180km range now? Down to maybe 160km at 300k? TIA

    A YouTube EV reviewer got his hands on an ioniq with ~100k km on it, and somewhat crudely calculated about <10% battery degradation (if I remember correctly). YouTube Bjorn Nyland and you'll find him.

    So at a guess, it'd have 10% degradation. Mine is at 65k and the battery says 100% health, but I've not manually seen how much the battery can hold (involves running the battery down to near 0 and charging up again to see how much power it consumes). I'm not bothered. Local driving in winter I get 170+km, summer is about 200km.


  • Registered Users Posts: 166 ✭✭Ballylad


    Yes, I owned that ioniq, a fantastic deal for sure,, it owed me nothing as I bought it cheap as a demo model and got free charging in work. Didn’t notice any battery degradation, always charged at 7kw ac,, was getting 190km range in winter and 250km in summer although I only driven it in economy mode!






    bootser wrote: »
    So, would there be an easy way to check the battery SOH? just look on the dash? and how does the battery warranty work? If it drops to a certain level within the 5 years will Hyundai replace it?
    Sorry for all the questions, never really looked into the Ioniq too much as felt it was too expensive for me(new or second-hand), but could possibly stretch at that price!


  • Moderators Posts: 12,381 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    Ballylad wrote: »
    Yes, I owned that ioniq, a fantastic deal for sure,, it owed me nothing as I bought it cheap as a demo model and got free charging in work. Didn’t notice any battery degradation, always charged at 7kw ac,, was getting 190km range in winter and 250km in summer although I only driven it in economy mode!

    Snap it up lads! A regular boardsie EV forum members car is nice piece of mind when buying an aged/high mileage/no warranty EV.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,708 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Snap it up is right. The trade explains it, the Tesla you traded it for was pretty decent value too. I can't believe that Ioniq is not gone yet.


  • Registered Users Posts: 166 ✭✭Ballylad


    Aside from it needing a good clean on inside, not a mark on paintwork, A rated Michelin S1 tyres good on it too, id nearly buy it back myself!, suprised they priced it low too, another dealer offering 18500 but his Tesla wasn’t in great shape, trade price in excellent condition it’s worth 15500, obviously higher price if sold private.

    unkel wrote: »
    Snap it up is right. The trade explains it, the Tesla you traded it for was pretty decent value too. I can't believe that Ioniq is not gone yet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,875 ✭✭✭zg3409


    bootser wrote: »
    Just on the mileage , so you reckon it will have about 180km range now? Down to maybe 160km at 300k? TIA

    In winter in Ireland an Ioniq has 160km worst case range (motorway 120km/h) You might get slightly less than that if temperatures drop below zero, or you drive like a madman. You can increase the range when needed by lowering speed to 100km/h. Typically I get 190km summer and winter but I drive hard and fast. The display on the car guesses the range based on battery temperature and recent driving style so could show anything from 140km to 260km. The car is ideal for those with 100km to 120km commutes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,708 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Race: Peugeot e208 50kWh vs Ioniq 28kWh



  • Moderators Posts: 12,381 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    unkel wrote: »
    Race: Peugeot e208 50kWh vs Ioniq 28kWh


    Missing a - at the start


  • Moderators Posts: 12,381 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    Very surprised by the Ioniq! Imagine if we had that weather here... without a lockdown.

    So an almost double sized battery has pretty much the same range due to efficiency, and pretty much the same charge time due to the higher rate of charge in the peugeot. Nice that the peugeot wouldn't add time to your travels, but given the larger battery you'd expect better range.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,217 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Chalk another one up for the brilliant, legendary,unmatched Ioniq28.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,708 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Very surprised by the Ioniq! Imagine if we had that weather here... without a lockdown.

    So an almost double sized battery has pretty much the same range due to efficiency, and pretty much the same charge time due to the higher rate of charge in the peugeot. Nice that the peugeot wouldn't add time to your travels, but given the larger battery you'd expect better range.

    And the Peugeot is one of the better new EVs for under €30k that you can buy new now. The fastest charging one of them all. Goes to show how good the Ioniq is was.


  • Registered Users Posts: 237 ✭✭bootser


    Ballylad wrote: »
    Aside from it needing a good clean on inside, not a mark on paintwork, A rated Michelin S1 tyres good on it too, id nearly buy it back myself!,
    Thanks for the info, really appreciate the advise. Have deposit put down, pick up Friday:D!!

    Grant applied for ,Ecars signed up for... any other tips?!:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,708 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Well wear bootser, you got yourself a great deal!
    bootser wrote: »
    Grant applied for ,Ecars signed up for... any other tips?!:D

    Ring your electricity provider today so you can get a night rate meter installed (this is free). Also sign up for Ionity (easiest is through Maingau). And might as well do Easygo. Do research into what home charger will suit you best. All of these have lengthy discussions on this forum. Do a bit of research.

    And of course read all the posts in this thread, even though there are nearly 10k :eek: Will take some time but this is a very resourceful thread. Pretty much all your questions will be answered. And keep an eye on your small aux 12V battery. If it hasn't been replaced yet, it will probably need replacing very soon. The only known weak point in Ioniq is that the software doesn't check and top up this battery often enough

    Check all recalls were done on the car (ask the previous owner on here too), check if the service history is up to date (servicing is very cheap on Ioninq) and make sure your software and maps are the very latest version


  • Registered Users Posts: 55 ✭✭cluaindiuic


    So I'm parting ways with my Ioniq. But it's on very good terms.
    Three and a half great years spanning 130 million metres. That's a huge amount of fast charging, motorway driving and podcasts. It's been all over the island, many trips to Dingle and Cork and even up into Belfast a couple of times.

    It's a great car but I've had my eye on the eNiro for about 18 months now. They have been very tough to come by but in the last two months have popped up in a few dealers and I managed to snag one of them.

    It is a trade in and I probably could have pushed for more for the Ioniq but the overall numbers landed where I wanted them to so I'm happy enough. I'm sure my car will pop up in the next month or so. I couldn't discourage any of you from it. I'm not aware of any degradation. It's barely been driven since March so the rare time I'm out its working off old Winter/Spring values to calculate the range. To be honest, the few issues we had with the car tended to happen immediately post servicing. Consistently the tyres would be under inflated resulting in tyre warning lights. You'd think the garage that sold the car would have a handle on the PSI needed. Evidently not. Multiple times. Facepalm.

    Anyway, elsewhere we had one chunky issue with a three way coolant pump or something. Can't remember, not a car guy. Under warranty, fixed for free. Again happened immediately after a service. A bit too coincidental for me. No big deal and has been perfect since. The vast majority of my driving was to and from work somewhere between rural Kildare and Sandyford. I'd guess that 95%+ of my driving was done with free fuel. Chargers at work are a god send. More of the same plannned for the eNiro but will probably only need to charge a couple of times per week instead of every day.

    So yeah, sad to see it go. Has been a great car for me. But the longer range, bigger boot, faster charging, wider screen etc... will be a nice upgrade. And the charging port at the front. ****ing hell what a chore the side port on the Ioniq is!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,708 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Charge port is at the perfect location. Exactly where charge points / fuel filler points have been in cars for many decades. Problem is the public charge points in Ireland were designed for the the Leaf and iMiev that have the chargepoint in front of car


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,059 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    See, this is what we want

    circleknorway.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,708 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Yeah! The system we have perfected worldwide over the last 100 years!

    Instead here in Ireland we got this. Oops can't charge Ioniq :rolleyes:

    20180909_123718.jpg

    I can and I have charged in that position BTW, but you need 3 free parking spaces beside the left EV charge parking space to do so.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭Nolars


    What would be a good price for a 171 now?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,708 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Nolars wrote: »
    What would be a good price for a 171 now?

    Others might disagree, but as a guideline something like:

    low mileage (<=50k km) about €19.5k
    mid mileage (100k km) about €18-18.5k
    high mileage - almost or completely out of battery warranty (>=150k km) about €16k

    Note that these cars are still covered by the manufacturer's bumper to bumper warranty until early 2022, so not much added benefit to be got by buying from a dealer over a private sale


  • Moderators Posts: 12,381 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    unkel wrote: »
    Others might disagree, but as a guideline something like:

    low mileage (<=50k km) about €19.5k
    mid mileage (100k km) about €18-18.5k
    high mileage - almost or completely out of battery warranty (>=150k km) about €16k

    Note that these cars are still covered by the manufacturer's bumper to bumper warranty until early 2022, so not much added benefit to be got by buying from a dealer over a private sale

    I'd agree those would be good prices. Not your average, but a good price. Less than 20k for a 2017 Ioniq is the going rate these days.


  • Registered Users Posts: 166 ✭✭Ballylad


    Think that guide is pretty accurate too.



    unkel wrote: »
    Others might disagree, but as a guideline something like:

    low mileage (<=50k km) about €19.5k
    mid mileage (100k km) about €18-18.5k
    high mileage - almost or completely out of battery warranty (>=150k km) about €16k

    Note that these cars are still covered by the manufacturer's bumper to bumper warranty until early 2022, so not much added benefit to be got by buying from a dealer over a private sale


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,708 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    I'd agree those would be good prices. Not your average, but a good price.

    Agreed. They would be realistic target prices. You should be able to get one in a private sale for those prices if you are patient. Probably difficult to get one from a dealer for the same targets. Or even bring one in from the UK. Cheapest one over there is GBP16,750 (77k km) in a private sale. Even with a couple hundred quid off, with a cheap flight and ferry, that's EUR19k landed here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,989 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Is it still free to vrt a UK electric car at present?

    Or should Or say does the 5k rebate still exist? And if so, for how long.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,708 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Yes, and both are the same thing. The VRT discount is €5k and the VRT percentage is 14%, so any car up to a value in Ireland of €35k has no VRT upon import from the UK. This will not change next year. But the UK will be outside of the EU, so you would also have to pay import duties and VAT


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