General Star Trek thread

Myrddin · 01-03-2012 6:28pm

downwithpeace wrote: »

I just noticed Data smiles and grins a few times in the first half of Encounter at Farpoint, they cease after the Q encounter, it's almost as if someone told Spiner to stop.

Lore wise, it's probably just him approximating human behaviour. Remember he had a sneeze thing going for a while too, & the beard was hillarious.

In reality, the character was brand new

GreenWolfe · 01-03-2012 6:45pm

I was watching some season one TNG lately. Some of the episodes are quite good. I enjoyed Haven and We'll Always Have Paris. The conspiracy episode is great, and The Neutral Zone, while a bit directionless the 20th century humans make it worth watching. Some of them, like Symbiosis and Too Short a Season try their best to drive a moral message home with the subtlety of a sledgehammer.

The uniforms in season one are a bit weird, but I noticed in particular some of the below uniforms in the background. Turns out these are skants, a one-piece skirt. Equality of the genders and all that, but they just seem like a hangover from TOS. But you'd think Starfleet of the future would go for gender neutrality, wouldn't there be species with different, more or no genders in the Federation?

Deanna_Troi%2C_Skant_Uniform.jpg

All things considered I think the guy has better legs :P

downwithpeace · 01-03-2012 6:51pm

EnterNow wrote: »

Lore wise, it's probably just him approximating human behaviour. Remember he had a sneeze thing going for a while too, & the beard was hillarious.

In reality, the character was brand new

Probably the combination of being new and working out the kinks.

One of the smiles happens after Riker whistles the end of the tune Data was trying, can't remember what happened on the others. Interestingly in the next episode he gets effected by the drunk like effect and has a strange but funny chat with Picard before he falls down, not forgetting his time with Tasha Yar.

EarthlyPangaea wrote: »

I was watching some season one TNG lately. Some of the episodes are quite good. I enjoyed Haven and We'll Always Have Paris. The conspiracy episode is great, and The Neutral Zone, while a bit directionless the 20th century humans make it worth watching. Some of them, like Symbiosis and Too Short a Season try their best to drive a moral message home with the subtlety of a sledgehammer.

The uniforms in season one are a bit weird, but I noticed in particular some of the below uniforms in the background. Turns out these are skants, or skirts. Equality of the genders and all that, but they just seem like a hangover from TOS. But you'd think Starfleet of the future would go for gender neutrality, wouldn't there be species with different, more or no genders in the Federation?

All things considered I think the guy has better legs :P

I noticed those odd dresses as well, very bad attempt at updating TOS with a modern look, then again teh full body suits they had later on weren't a whole load better.

GreenWolfe · 01-03-2012 7:37pm

downwithpeace wrote: »

Probably the combination of being new and working out the kinks.

One of the smiles happens after Riker whistles the end of the tune Data was trying, can't remember what happened on the others. Interestingly in the next episode he gets effected by the drunk like effect and has a strange but funny chat with Picard before he falls down, not forgetting his time with Tasha Yar.

I noticed those odd dresses as well, very bad attempt at updating TOS with a modern look, then again teh full body suits they had later on weren't a whole load better.

Apparently they had to wear muscle padding under those Spandex suits. They wore those yokes for two full seasons, even at the best of times they musn't have been comfortable to wear. Probably added more unneeded awkwardness to the show, and to some of the acting performances.

I also noticed in Justice, where they beam down for the first time looks a lot like Starfleet Academy. Those loincloth-type costumes seem a bit risqué at times. They look so scantily clad that any attempt at showing seriousness looks like a lost cause, personally.

In any case, that episode is probably the best show of Wesley's teenage awkwardness. I was feeling really sorry for Wesley, straight after the Edosian said "But you are a young one, I do not know your custom regarding love". They spent ages hugging the landing party, I'm surprised Worf didn't vomit in disgust

downwithpeace · 02-03-2012 6:40pm

EarthlyPangaea wrote: »

I also noticed in Justice, where they beam down for the first time looks a lot like Starfleet Academy. Those loincloth-type costumes seem a bit risqué at times. They look so scantily clad that any attempt at showing seriousness looks like a lost cause, personally.

In any case, that episode is probably the best show of Wesley's teenage awkwardness. I was feeling really sorry for Wesley, straight after the Edosian said "But you are a young one, I do not know your custom regarding love". They spent ages hugging the landing party, I'm surprised Worf didn't vomit in disgust

Now you bring it up the first building has a Starfleet Academy look to it.
Costumes or lack of

a side even the actions of the natives is a bit strong for the likes of Star Trek let alone a family tv show. Worf is shown to like the situation, he has a funny look at Riker and says "Nice planet".

It's also the second episode that I've noticed a lack of future planning in regards to Worf, Riker says "When in Rome" and Worf answers "When in where sir?".

G-Money · 03-03-2012 7:29pm

I think I remember reading that one of the reasons the TNG costumes changed to two pieces was that the full body suit was causing Patrick Stewart some discomfort in his back or something. I can't remember exactly what it was but I think it was causing him to crouch a bit or hunch his shoulders and he couldn't fully stand straight up.

downwithpeace · 04-03-2012 2:21am

He did eventually stand out in his suede jacket compared to the others in their body suits.
Something McFadden took up from the early episodes.

GreenWolfe · 04-03-2012 2:48am

G-Money wrote: »

I think I remember reading that one of the reasons the TNG costumes changed to two pieces was that the full body suit was causing Patrick Stewart some discomfort in his back or something. I can't remember exactly what it was but I think it was causing him to crouch a bit or hunch his shoulders and he couldn't fully stand straight up.

http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2012/02/to-boldly-go-where-no-one-has-gone-before-is-thought-to-have-been-inspired-by-a-line-from-a-white-house-pamphlet-on-space/

In the first two seasons of Star Trek, The Next Generation, you’ll notice that their uniforms are extremely tight. These uniforms were made of one-piece spandex. To make matters worse, the suits were intentionally sized too small so that they’d stretch extremely tightly over the actor’s bodies and not have any wrinkles. The actors hated them and eventually Patrick Stewart’s chiropractor told him that if he kept wearing them, it would cause real and possibly permanent damage to his spine. Hence, in season three, the uniforms were switched to being two-piece, less form fitting, and made of wool (obviously Counselor Troi still often wore tight Spandex, thankfully, as did many other guest cast members).

A byproduct of the switch to the two piece uniforms for main cast members was that the top piece had a tendency to ride up on the actors. This gave rise to Patrick Stewart developing the habit of pulling down the top piece of the uniform periodically. He did this so much, that it became known as “The Picard Maneuver”.

Epilnogis · 05-03-2012 10:42am

EarthlyPangaea wrote: »

I was watching some season one TNG lately. Some of the episodes are quite good. I enjoyed Haven and We'll Always Have Paris. The conspiracy episode is great, and The Neutral Zone, while a bit directionless the 20th century humans make it worth watching. Some of them, like Symbiosis and Too Short a Season try their best to drive a moral message home with the subtlety of a sledgehammer.

The uniforms in season one are a bit weird, but I noticed in particular some of the below uniforms in the background. Turns out these are skants, a one-piece skirt. Equality of the genders and all that, but they just seem like a hangover from TOS. But you'd think Starfleet of the future would go for gender neutrality, wouldn't there be species with different, more or no genders in the Federation?

All things considered I think the guy has better legs :P

Oh my. I can't say I appreciate these uniforms as much I did with the others. Were they just throwing pieces of clothing together to cut the costs? Wow, it's pretty weird indeed.

Myrddin · 05-03-2012 11:01am

Just finished In A Mirror Darly 1 & 2 last night. Seriously cool Enterprise episodes, love the intro too.

Unfortunately, what remains is the brutal crazy kidnapper two parter which is crap, & the finale, which, is beyond crap.

To be fair to ENT, I've enjoyed every minute of it up to this point & don't want to taint the ending again, so I think I'll call it a day here. Yeah so for me, ENT ends with In a Mirror Darkly pt.2

Now, Sliders, havn't watched that in ages

norrie rugger · 05-03-2012 11:09am

I enjoyed them bringing Terra Prime into conon but it felt really rushed. It could have done with a few more episodes, especially with a bit more focus on the xenophobic tensions on Earth

Myrddin · 05-03-2012 11:11am

norrie rugger wrote: »

I enjoyed them bringing Terra Prime into conon but it felt really rushed. It could have done with a few more episodes, especially with a bit more focus on the xenophobic tensions on Earth

After the exciting alt universe eps thougn, it's just a poor crescendo. Giant Martian lasers et all...ugh

Myrddin · 05-03-2012 11:16am

Also how cool was the Defiant in the alt universe. Coming from an NX class, they really succeeded in making it seem huge in comparison. I tend to think of Connies as fairly small ships, spoiled by TNG etc. But its huge

OldeCinemaSoz · 07-03-2012 8:08pm

when mr spock fell in love with
charles bronson's wife in this side of paradise

we were all
cheering,
a wonderful episode.

thinking myself, did'nt the elaan of troyius deserve
that spanking kirk promised?

i still fancy angelique pettyjohn myself. :cool:

PHOWARRR!!!

Myrddin · 12-03-2012 10:58am

Having completed Enterprise [leaving out the finale is a better way to end the show], I was wondering what to watch next. I'd love to do a rerun of TNG, but it's still too soon. I know all the episodes inside out & back to front

I went straight into DS9. Surviving the painful enough opener, & the weak follow up, I then got to A Man Alone. Garak introduces himself to Bashir, the show just suddenly became alive. Robinson is an absolute master :cool:

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 12-03-2012 11:01am

one of my more painful memories in nerd life is going to a star trek convention in ucd or dcu as a child. bashir, kira and "some other guy" were there
as theyw ere signing autographs I walked right by "some other guy" and got autographs from the other two, later I realised it was ****ing garak

--edit

on the plus side, gates mcfadden did sign my star trek encyclopedia at the first contact premier. I was too small to be seen in the crowd of fat sweaty nerds, so a helpful tall sweaty nerd lifted me up on his shoulders so she'd see me and sign

then of course I lost the bloody book

---edit
actually since im baring my nerd soul here
at the same convention at generic dublin university, there was a q&a session and I got to ask bashir a question. I asked him if he believed in aliens and the entire bloody lecture hall full of people groaned in disgust at me.
mortified.

Myrddin · 12-03-2012 11:04am

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

one of my more painful memories in nerd life is going to a star trek convention in ucd or dcu as a child. bashir, kira and "some other guy" were there
as theyw ere signing autographs I walked right by "some other guy" and got autographs from the other two, later I realised it was ****ing garak

Awe no, suppose its a testament to the make up guys. Some of the actors look so different out of make up. Roxanne Dawson actually looks better in make up than out of it.

downwithpeace · 12-03-2012 1:57pm

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

one of my more painful memories in nerd life is going to a star trek convention in ucd or dcu as a child. bashir, kira and "some other guy" were there
as theyw ere signing autographs I walked right by "some other guy" and got autographs from the other two, later I realised it was ****ing garak

Out of all the DS9 cast to miss, would be kicking myself for a long long time.

EnterNow wrote: »

Roxanne Dawson actually looks better in make up than out of it.

Must have been the ridges

Myrddin · 12-03-2012 1:59pm

downwithpeace wrote: »

Must have been the ridges

Whatever it was...

norrie rugger · 12-03-2012 2:29pm

i remember thinking that in the episode where the Vidians split her into two parts. First time that I had seen her without the makeup and was shocked that she looked better with it

GreenWolfe · 12-03-2012 2:50pm

EnterNow wrote: »

Having completed Enterprise [leaving out the finale is a better way to end the show], I was wondering what to watch next. I'd love to do a rerun of TNG, but it's still too soon. I know all the episodes inside out & back to front

I went straight into DS9. Surviving the painful enough opener, & the weak follow up, I then got to A Man Alone. Garak introduces himself to Bashir, the show just suddenly became alive. Robinson is an absolute master :cool:

It's a great DS9 episode. TNG takes much longer to get started imo. You go from a great opener, to an bad TOS-based episode (The Naked Now), to one of my personal worst episodes ever - Code of Honor. TNG gets going with The Battle, nine episodes in.

I've wondered why Bashir had to grow another clone of Ibudan. Could he just have examined the cells, grew them a bit, claimed they were from a clone before passing the point where the growing lab experiment becomes a lifeform? I know the point where a growing Human/Bajoran/etc is considered a person is a topic of some debate, but it always felt like an unanswered ethical dilemma for me. Afaik, they just let the latest Ibudan clone walk out the Infirmary door.

norrie rugger wrote: »

i remember thinking that in the episode where the Vidians split her into two parts. First time that I had seen her without the makeup and was shocked that she looked better with it

Her performance always struck me as more whiny and annoying, than an actual angry Klingon. Kahless help Tom Paris, that's all I'll say.

Myrddin · 13-03-2012 12:47pm

EarthlyPangaea wrote: »

I've wondered why Bashir had to grow another clone of Ibudan. Could he just have examined the cells, grew them a bit, claimed they were from a clone before passing the point where the growing lab experiment becomes a lifeform? I know the point where a growing Human/Bajoran/etc is considered a person is a topic of some debate, but it always felt like an unanswered ethical dilemma for me. Afaik, they just let the latest Ibudan clone walk out the Infirmary door.

Not sure if spoilers are necessary, if someone here gets p1ssed over us ruining a nineteen year old Star Trek episode, then they only have themselves to blame frankly

But yeah your spot on, the issue wasn't even raised in the episode. I know Bashir didn't know what it was for a time, then discovered it was humanoid, then discovered it was a clone of Ibudan. He said "In three days, the clone will be come conscious...." So in my mind that would have been the ideal time to 'terminate' the clone as it wasn't even self aware etc. But they let it grow, & towards the end of the episode it was mentioned the clone became a member of Bajoran society or something.

Gloss city.

Myrddin · 13-03-2012 4:58pm

Researchers at Microsoft are working on a universal translator that will take the user's voice and translate his/her words into another language without altering the actual voice. Applications for this software tool should be obvious: making languages easier to learn and more personal, to help visitors relate to locals in other countries without having to flip through books and stumble over pronunciations, and more.

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/Star-Trek-Universal-Translator-Microsoft-Frank-Soong-Microsoft-Research-Asia,news-14433.html

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 13-03-2012 4:59pm

anyone who has ever tried to translate korean to english using google translate will pause before rushing to use this device chatting up korean women

GreenWolfe · 17-03-2012 12:57am

EarthlyPangaea wrote: »

It's a great DS9 episode. TNG takes much longer to get started imo. You go from a great opener, to an bad TOS-based episode (The Naked Now), to one of my personal worst episodes ever - Code of Honor. TNG gets going with The Battle, nine episodes in.

I forgot the only gem in that horrible, horrible episode:

Data: What Lutan did is similar to what certain American Indians once did called 'counting coup'. That is from an obscure language known as French. Counting coup...
Picard: Mr. Data. The French language, for centuries on Earth, represented civilization.
Data: Indeed? But surely, sir...
Riker: [sotto voce] I suggest you drop it, Mr. Data.

:D:D:D:D

azezil · 17-03-2012 11:43pm

EnterNow wrote: »

Whatever it was...

She looks very like Alyssa Milano in that pic... an older less photoshopped version perhaps

downwithpeace · 18-03-2012 12:38am

Yeah she could be her aunt or some relation like that the looks are so similar.

Goldstein · 22-03-2012 12:31am

I think Starfleet ought to rethink their policy of fabricating all computer interface consoles out of explosives. I bet those things have killed more Starfleet personnel than the Borg and the Dominion put together.

Myrddin · 22-03-2012 11:54am

Just watched 'Trekkies' on Netflix. I've seen it before a couple of times, but good god its more embarrassing to watch each time.

norrie rugger · 22-03-2012 12:07pm

Goldstein wrote: »

I think Starfleet ought to rethink their policy of fabricating all computer interface consoles out of explosives. I bet those things have killed more Starfleet personnel than the Borg and the Dominion put together.

I guess that surge protectors and general fuses are illegal in the 24th

GreenWolfe · 22-03-2012 9:57pm

norrie rugger wrote: »

I guess that surge protectors and general fuses are illegal in the 24th

They're just letting out the magic smoke! :P

Fuzzytrooper · 23-03-2012 10:12am

They're just letting you onto the secret of electricity. Forget electrons, current etc. It's smoke that makes electronic devices work. Ever notice how when smoke comes out of something it stops working?

Myrddin · 23-03-2012 10:28am

In fairness, it better than "Captain, that last shot just blew the fuse for the shields"

downwithpeace · 23-03-2012 2:02pm

Oh I don't know, might be nice to have something to relate to like "Captain we're out of 60watt fuses but If I order them online now we can have them for the next battle"

Fuzzytrooper · 23-03-2012 3:59pm

Maybe they ran out of fuses in season 1 and are just jimmying the consoles with tinfoil.

GreenWolfe · 23-03-2012 6:42pm

EnterNow wrote: »

In fairness, it better than "Captain, that last shot just blew the fuse for the shields"

For some reason I can only imagine Chakotay saying that.

downwithpeace · 24-03-2012 1:19pm

For some reason I can only imagine Chakotay saying that.

Backed up by adding shampoo to the Gel Packs.

Myrddin · 24-03-2012 5:15pm

EarthlyPangaea wrote: »

For some reason I can only imagine Chakotay saying that.

Speaking of, isn't Beltran in the fans bad books over something he said there a while back. What was that all about?

downwithpeace · 24-03-2012 5:33pm

He did some interview where he bad mouths everything about Star Trek.
i don't think it was a serious thing just meant to poke fun but backfired.

GreenWolfe · 24-03-2012 7:05pm

http://voices.yahoo.com/video/robert-beltran-interview-764019.html?cat=60

Here's one of them, I think. Starts at 1:16.

N: Shakespeare?

RB: Of course, that's the only reason I wanted to be an actor, you think I wanted to be on ****in Star Trek? No ****in way!

In fact, when I..I thought it was punishment for everything in my life up till that point. Thanks, dear Lord for the... uh, Star Trek gig.

You know, "Shields are down to 10%" does anybody think anyone's going to die? **** no, we're going to make it because we have four more years to go. So give me a ****in break with the ship shakes, and all this ****in...****in bridge scenes.

"Captain, the anomaly is coming closer to us. Reroute the kuka-kuka to the moogla-moogla and we'll be OK. It's not working Captain, we're gonna die!" No we're not; we're going to be back next week, ye stupid mother****ers.

And at 2:30

RB: I had people crying, and...(mimics crying) "What do you mean you don't like Star Trek?"...I'm very cruel with those cases. "I hate it. I hate it, it's really ****ing stupid. People who like Star Trek suck."

And at 2:50

N: (mimics ST fan with macho voice) "So in episode 37, when you were standing on the bridge you were standing maybe 7 feet to the left in the next shot, did you notice that continuity error?"

RB: Go **** yourself.

N: Thank you.

There's being candid, and there's being insulting and that doesn't come across as funny.

Another video, an invitation to ST fans to watch his (then) new play.

I busted my ass off for seven years playing Chakotay... on Voyager. Having to work with Tim Russ and Ethan Phillips, you have no idea how difficult that is. And Bob Picardo walking around going 'I'm signing autographs!'"

I don't owe that guy jack-****. Apparently it was another joke. Much like his acting, the joke fell flat on its face.

Myrddin · 24-03-2012 7:35pm

Wow, the chap needs to grow up a bit. Frat-boy type humour with grey hair? Not a good look Bob :rolleyes:

Far too crude to be funny

FGR · 28-03-2012 12:12am

'Captain. We're running low on bags for our hoovers. Either we start buying some Dysons or we're going to be transporting a hell of a lot of sh*t out into space!'

The Black Oil · 29-03-2012 7:18am

EarthlyPangaea wrote: »

I forgot the only gem in that horrible, horrible episode:
:D:D:D:D

Heh, yeah. Discovered the clip a while back.

:pac:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlhzX7UKKNU

nyarlothothep · 29-03-2012 12:42pm

Black Oil wrote: »

Heh, yeah. Discovered the clip a while back. :pac:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlhzX7UKKNU

Ah, Code of Honour, what an unforgettable episode, its amazing it was even made in 1987 with all the racist trash which informs it. Possibly the worst yet funniest (in a laugh at rather than with kind of way) episode in trek history. I mean it was even more backward and cheesy than any TOS episode which is quite an achievement.

GreenWolfe · 29-03-2012 5:27pm

nyarlothothep wrote: »

Ah, Code of Honour, what an unforgettable episode, its amazing it was even made in 1987 with all the racist trash which informs it. Possibly the worst yet funniest (in a laugh at rather than with kind of way) episode in trek history. I mean it was even more backward and cheesy than any TOS episode which is quite an achievement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4w0Zj_EdT4

Starts at approx 3:30, Jonathan Frakes on the worst TNG episode.

Myrddin · 29-03-2012 5:58pm

I have to say I like Frakes, always seems like such a warm character

Dave0301 · 30-03-2012 8:52am

Just finished season 5 of DS9 last night. I remember seeing it when I was younger and the rush of excitement on seeing the Federation fleet!

Is it wrong that I probably got more enjoyment seeing it again now that i'm all grown up??

helimachoptor · 30-03-2012 8:55am

Dave0301 wrote: »

Just finished season 5 of DS9 last night. I remember seeing it when I was younger and the rush of excitement on seeing the Federation fleet!

Is it wrong that I probably got more enjoyment seeing it again now that i'm all grown up??

I'm the same when they start the battle to retake DS9 I just knew the Klingons would arrive and when they did I jumped around the sitting room.. I still get excited watching it now. The battles in DS9 were great

Dave0301 · 30-03-2012 2:23pm

Have to say, getting to watch them in chronological order as opposed to the disjointed way episodes can be on sky is really adding to my enjoyment of it all!

Had all of TNG on a hard drive there last year but the hard drive broke. To be honest it's a lost I still haven't come to terms with

Myrddin · 30-03-2012 2:29pm

Dave0301 wrote: »

Have to say, getting to watch them in chronological order as opposed to the disjointed way episodes can be on sky is really adding to my enjoyment of it all!

Had all of TNG on a hard drive there last year but the hard drive broke. To be honest it's a lost I still haven't come to terms with

The box sets are really cheap. No ads is the ultimate win :cool:

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