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Home charge points (purchase/problems/questions) (See mod note post#1)

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  • #3402
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,799 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    lukas8888 wrote: »
    I thought you would also need the car registered in some other persons name,in other words you can not avail of grant twice irrespective of MPRN.

    Nope. Car can be in same name.
    The big thing SEAI look at is the MPRN matches the address on the application form and in turn matches the address on the VLC.


  • #3403
    Risteard81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,567 ✭✭✭Risteard81


    liamog wrote: »
    You've said yourself that you have to mark up parts significantly to to cover the cost of warranty repairs due to manufacturers not covering the travel and labour costs incurred.
    If an installation in Ireland only covers the parts warranty and not installation costs then it stands to reason, that you don't need to significantly mark up the parts to cover those costs.

    I'd rather pay a fair price and pay warranty labour costs 12 months after the install, than see every customer pay elevated costs to cover the rare eventuality that there may be a warranty repair required. It's just a different way of doing business.
    I simply stated that one reason why a markup is required is for warranty returns. Other reasons include specifying; sourcing; storing etc. The fact is that every business must sell for more than it buys. That is a simple fact of business. As such marking up goods is non-negotiable, and we don't as a rule entertain fitting customer-supplied products as liability issues are less clear. They can also frequently purchase crap which takes longer to fit, or is inappropriate for the job at hand. Other times they supply the wrong materials and you're left waiting on them to return them and get the right things. It just doesn't work for us, and for most contractors.


  • #3404
    TitianGerm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,365 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    Risteard81 wrote: »
    I simply stated that one reason why a markup is required is for warranty returns. Other reasons include specifying; sourcing; storing etc. The fact is that every business must sell for more than it buys. That is a simple fact of business. As such marking up goods is non-negotiable, and we don't as a rule entertain fitting customer-supplied products as liability issues are less clear. They can also frequently purchase crap which takes longer to fit, or is inappropriate for the job at hand. Other times they supply the wrong materials and you're left waiting on them to return them and get the right things. It just doesn't work for us, and for most contractors.

    As a rough idea how often do you think a part fails that you have to provide a replacement under warranty? I assume if it's an issue with a part used you return it to the supplier for a refund/replacement/credit on your trade account.


  • #3405
    Risteard81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,567 ✭✭✭Risteard81


    TitianGerm wrote: »
    As a rough idea how often do you think a part fails that you have to provide a replacement under warranty? I assume if it's an issue with a part used you return it to the supplier for a refund/replacement/credit on your trade account.
    Again, you miss the fact that whilst the part will be replaced or a credit note issued, my time and Diesel etc. for replacing it are not covered.

    As for how often, obviously not terribly often as we only source good quality materials. That said, it happens from time to time. One downlight failed recently at a customer's premises out of a fair few installed. We still had to go and replace it and return it to the wholesaler for a credit note. This obviously used up a fair bit of time which we will not be compensated for. And we had to fit this into an already hectic schedule, as it is not our policy to keep customers waiting unduly with warranty issues.


  • #3406
    liamog
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,061 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    Risteard81 wrote: »
    I simply stated that one reason why a markup is required is for warranty returns.

    We're not arguing that you can't mark up parts, but when you make claims that a part that can be found for €20 is justifiably billed at many multiples of €25 it comes across as taking advantage, and may explain why we see such variance in pricing between suppliers.


  • #3407
    Risteard81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,567 ✭✭✭Risteard81


    liamog wrote: »
    We're not arguing that you can't mark up parts, but when you make claims that a part that can be found for €20 is justifiably billed at many multiples of €25 it comes across as taking advantage, and may explain why we see such variance in pricing between suppliers.
    I never mentioned what I mark parts up by.


  • #3408
    liamog
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,061 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    Risteard81 wrote: »
    A Type B RCD required for many units is many multiples of 25 Euro. And these are the industry standard standard install rates. I never mentioned what I charge.

    The Type B RCBO fitted by the registered electrician who did my install can be sourced for less than €20 ex VAT.
    That quote is from you telling another poster that his figure of €25 for the same was incorrect.


  • #3409
    Risteard81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,567 ✭✭✭Risteard81


    liamog wrote: »
    The Type B RCBO fitted by the registered electrician who did my install can be sourced for less than €20 ex VAT.
    That quote is from you telling another poster that his figure of €25 for the same was incorrect.
    That just shows that you don't know what you are talking about.

    Type B has different meanings within the context of MCB and RCD characteristics.

    The overcurrent characteristic of the RCBO might be Type B, but this will either be a Type AC or Type A RCD. (Probably Type AC.)

    I have never come across a Type B RCD in the format of an RCBO - only an RCCB. These cost literally hundreds each.


  • #3410
    TitianGerm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,365 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    Risteard81 wrote: »
    Again, you miss the fact that whilst the part will be replaced or a credit note issued, my time and Diesel etc. for replacing it are not covered.

    As for how often, obviously not terribly often as we only source good quality materials. That said, it happens from time to time. One downlight failed recently at a customer's premises out of a fair few installed. We still had to go and replace it and return it to the wholesaler for a credit note. This obviously used up a fair bit of time which we will not be compensated for. And we had to fit this into an already hectic schedule, as it is not our policy to keep customers waiting unduly with warranty issues.

    So if the part doesn't fail that often what are we talking about? 1% of all installs have to have a return visit? If it was me I'd look at my turnover, profit and invoice numbers in the prior year to get an estimate of warranty repairs which can be expected the following year.

    Say you're making €70k in profit on €400k turnover over 500 invoices for example would it not be appropriate to allow 1% of that €70k spread over every job which would mean an additional €1.40 on each job to cover those warranty repairs?

    Also don't tell me you go to the wholesalers with every faulty unit as soon as you replace them? I've plenty of family members in different trades and they never go back for a credit note when they've one item and wait until they're picking parts for the next job.


  • #3411
    liamog
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,061 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    Risteard81 wrote: »
    That just shows that you don't know what you are talking about.

    Type B has different meanings within the context of MCB and RCD characteristics.

    The overcurrent characteristic of the RCBO might be Type B, but this will either be a Type AC or Type A RCD. (Probably Type AC.)

    I have never come across a Type B RCD in the format of an RCBO - only an RCCB. These cost literally hundreds each.

    I've not claimed to know what I'm talking about, but I am capable of looking up part numbers and seeing how much they are listed for. Are you now going to claim other installers are installing the wrong equipment to justify your elevated prices?


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  • #3412
    liamog
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,061 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    liamog wrote: »
    I've not claimed to know what I'm talking about, but I am capable of looking up part numbers and seeing how much they are listed for. Are you now going to claim other installers are installing the wrong equipment to justify your elevated prices?

    As an example here's a list of 40A Type B RCBO's from a reputable supplier.
    https://www.screwfix.com/c/electrical-lighting/rcbos/cat7230024#category=cat7230024&amprating=40_a&curvetype=type_b&sort_by=-price, as you can see a range from £11.99 to £149.99, with all but one being under £37.39.

    Maybe give us the part number of the RCBO that you fit to back up your statement?


  • #3413
    Risteard81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,567 ✭✭✭Risteard81


    liamog wrote: »
    As an example here's a list of 40A Type B RCBO's from a reputable supplier.
    https://www.screwfix.com/c/electrical-lighting/rcbos/cat7230024#category=cat7230024&amprating=40_a&curvetype=type_b&sort_by=-price, as you can see a range from £11.99 to £149.99, with all but one being under £37.39.

    Maybe give us the part number of the RCBO that you fit to back up your statement?

    They are Type AC RCDs - NOT Type B!

    Type B is just the overcurrent characteristic of the MCB element of those.


  • #3414
    liamog
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,061 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    So looking into it, it appears the decision between an RCBO that has a relatively cheap Type A or the expensive Type B is driven by whether the charger had inbuilt DC leakage.

    For instance the EO Mini datasheet specifically calls out that it does not require a Type B RCD, datasheet from here https://www.eocharging.com/resource-centre-products/eo-mini

    https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5b96995789c172d9106f1574/t/5f8089c54f034713096475ea/1602259397832/EO+Mini+Data+Sheet+%5BUK+%26+Ireland%5D.pdf

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  • #3415
    Risteard81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,567 ✭✭✭Risteard81


    liamog wrote: »
    So looking into it, it appears the decision between an RCBO that has a relatively cheap Type A or the expensive Type B is driven by whether the charger had inbuilt DC leakage.

    For instance the EO Mini datasheet specifically calls out that it does not require a Type B RCD, datasheet from here https://www.eocharging.com/resource-centre-products/eo-mini

    https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5b96995789c172d9106f1574/t/5f8089c54f034713096475ea/1602259397832/EO+Mini+Data+Sheet+%5BUK+%26+Ireland%5D.pdf

    546346.PNG

    Yes, but many EVSEs don't have the 6mA DC leakage detection and disconnection (e.g. all Tesla Wall Connectors).


  • #3416
    KCross
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,136 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    Risteard81 wrote: »
    Yes, but many EVSEs don't have the 6mA DC leakage detection and disconnection (e.g. all Tesla Wall Connectors).

    Thats a mandatory OLEV requirement in the UK but not required here (at least yet)... correct?


  • #3417
    liamog
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,061 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    Risteard81 wrote: »
    Yes, but many EVSEs don't have the 6mA DC leakage detection and disconnection (e.g. all Tesla Wall Connectors).

    From a post on the Tesla Motors Club, it looks like Tesla are the laggards here, and that most have now been updated to account for the requirement.

    The Zappi, which seems to be one of the most popular charge points has a built in Type A RCD and 6mA DC protection, so doesn't even need the cheaper Type A RCD (https://myenergi.com/product/zappi/#product-specs).

    Generally I recommend EO Mini's or Zappi's, good to know I've been saving people a few bob on the electrical equipment too.


  • #3418
    Risteard81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,567 ✭✭✭Risteard81


    KCross wrote: »
    Thats a mandatory OLEV requirement in the UK but not required here (at least yet)... correct?

    Nothing to do with OLEV - it's a requirement of the Wiring Regulations.

    It has also been a requirement of the Wiring Rules here for a number of years since Amendment 3 to ET101:2008 (Fourth Edition) was published. It is also a requirement of I.S. 10101:2020 (Fifth Edition).


  • #3419
    Risteard81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,567 ✭✭✭Risteard81


    liamog wrote: »
    From a post on the Tesla Motors Club, it looks like Tesla are the laggards here, and that most have now been updated to account for the requirement.

    The Zappi, which seems to be one of the most popular charge points has a built in Type A RCD and 6mA DC protection, so doesn't even need the cheaper Type A RCD (https://myenergi.com/product/zappi/#product-specs).

    Generally I recommend EO Mini's or Zappi's, good to know I've been saving people a few bob on the electrical equipment too.

    Not all Minis sold here have DC leakage protection. All sold in the UK do, however.


  • #3420
    liamog
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,061 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    Risteard81 wrote: »
    Not all Minis sold here have DC leakage protection. All sold in the UK do, however.

    Hopefully all that mark up you use for sourcing services can go into sourcing the updated units to save money on the RCD requirement


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  • #3421
    liamog
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,061 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    KCross wrote: »
    Thats a mandatory OLEV requirement in the UK but not required here (at least yet)... correct?

    Looks like it was due to an update to the IEC standard IEC 61851-1:2017 which stated that EV supply equipment requires
    • RCD Type B or;
    • A Type A RCD and appropriate equipment that ensures the disconnection of the supply in case of DC fault current above 6mA

    https://www.evnex.com/articles/ev-charging-and-type-b-rcds

    Probably explains why my installation has the €20 part, as it was installed in 2017.


  • #3422
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,799 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    liamog wrote: »
    Looks like it was due to an update to the IEC standard IEC 61851-1:2017 which stated that EV supply equipment requires



    https://www.evnex.com/articles/ev-charging-and-type-b-rcds

    Probably explains why my installation has the €20 part, as it was installed in 2017.

    Mine went in back in 2017 too. Certified and grant paid out.
    Rightly or wrongly to today’s standards I don’t know. But we all know you can’t respectfully apply regulations so the regs apply at the time of construction / works.

    I’m using my Tesla UMC with commando socket to get 7kw / 32a charging.

    546363.jpeg


  • #3423
    Risteard81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,567 ✭✭✭Risteard81


    liamog wrote: »
    Hopefully all that mark up you use for sourcing services can go into sourcing the updated units to save money on the RCD requirement

    If it's a job sent to us from an EV company then we can't control what they supply. We just have to ensure that the installation complies with the Rules (or Regulations in the Six Counties).


  • #3424
    liamog
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,061 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    Risteard81 wrote: »
    If it's a job sent to us from an EV company then we can't control what they supply. We just have to ensure that the installation complies with the Rules (or Regulations in the Six Counties).

    Maybe give them the feedback that they are suppling outdated equipment resulting in many €100's in extra cost.


  • #3425
    Risteard81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,567 ✭✭✭Risteard81


    Gumbo wrote: »
    Mine went in back in 2017 too. Certified and grant paid out.
    Rightly or wrongly to today’s standards I don’t know. But we all know you can’t respectfully apply regulations so the regs apply at the time of construction / works.

    I’m using my Tesla UMC with commando socket to get 7kw / 32a charging.

    546363.jpeg
    That is a Type A RCD.


  • #3426
    Risteard81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,567 ✭✭✭Risteard81


    liamog wrote: »
    so doesn't even need the cheaper Type A RCD
    It absolutely does need it. However it's there inside the charger so doesn't need to be fitted in the distribution board, which will of course still require overcurrent protection for the supply cable.


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  • #3427
    Risteard81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,567 ✭✭✭Risteard81


    liamog wrote: »
    Maybe give us the part number of the RCBO that you fit to back up your statement?
    I already pointed out earlier that I have never come across a Type B RCD in the format of an RCBO, but only as an RCCB. So if it needs a Type B RCD then it won't be an RCBO - it will be an RCCB and MCB.


  • #3428
    Risteard81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,567 ✭✭✭Risteard81


    TitianGerm wrote: »
    they never go back for a credit note when they've one item and wait until they're picking parts for the next job.
    This still takes time - and often it takes a number of weeks for the credit note to come through. I've just received a credit note today for a return in September. I'm waiting on another one to come through for a part which was returned a month ago.


  • #3429
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,799 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Risteard81 wrote: »
    That is a Type A RCD.

    Yes I was aware of that from previous posts on the matter.

    Can you explain what’s the difference between this and a B Type RCD?


  • #3430
    TitianGerm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,365 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    Risteard81 wrote: »
    This still takes time - and often it takes a number of weeks for the credit note to come through. I've just received a credit note today for a return in September. I'm waiting on another one to come through for a part which was returned a month ago.

    No comment on the rest of my post?

    If you are collecting a part then it is not taking any additional time to drop off the return.

    I'd also assume you have a line of credit with the wholesaler which generally is 30 days after the invoice date or for others 30 days after the month end.

    You've already said you don't have to many warranty repairs so if you're waiting a few months for a credit note it's hardly costing you a fortune to wait on that credit note. Although in my experience reminding the store man that you're still waiting on your CN usually gets it done sooner but I would expect most wholesalers can issue a return on their till system when they get the part back and it is automatically attached to your account and a docket printed there and then.


  • #3431
    Felexicon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,425 ✭✭✭Felexicon


    Risteard81 wrote: »
    I already pointed out earlier that I have never come across a Type B RCD in the format of an RCBO, but only as an RCCB. So if it needs a Type B RCD then it won't be an RCBO - it will be an RCCB and MCB.

    You can order one from Garo direct but when I enquired about it I was told to make sure I had the credit card clear before going to collect it.


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  • #3432
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,799 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    So can the electricians amongst us clarify, what RCBO/RCD has to be fitted to your typical 32a EVSE now?
    A typical A class version can be got for €30 but these appear to be outdated based on current regs.
    What’s the standard B Class version that you guys are fitting?


  • #3433
    Felexicon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,425 ✭✭✭Felexicon


    Gumbo wrote: »
    So can the electricians amongst us clarify, what RCBO/RCD has to be fitted to your typical 32a EVSE now?
    A typical A class version can be got for €30 but these appear to be outdated based on current regs.
    What’s the standard B Class version that you guys are fitting?

    So what's being mixed up here is the RCD type and the over current characteristic.

    If you look in your fuse board you will see your MCBs will be B10, B20, B32 etc. This is over current protection type. The B is standard in domestic settings. But, as an example, if you were wiring a circuit that was going to have a motor running on it you would use an MCB with a C rating for over current protection. The reason for this is that the C characteristic allows for a rapid spike in current on start up.

    You then have RCD types AC, A, B and F.
    These indicate the triping characteristics under AC, pulsating DC and smooth DC faults.

    Theres alot more you can go in to about it but I'm on a phone so can't link etc.


  • #3434
    Felexicon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,425 ✭✭✭Felexicon


    Gumbo wrote: »
    So can the electricians amongst us clarify, what RCBO/RCD has to be fitted to your typical 32a EVSE now?
    A typical A class version can be got for €30 but these appear to be outdated based on current regs.
    What’s the standard B Class version that you guys are fitting?

    Sorry

    To answer your actual question.

    As the vast majority of EVSEs now have DC leakage protection built in I find I mainly install type A RCD combined with B Characteristic MCB in the form of an RCBO


  • #3435
    Risteard81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,567 ✭✭✭Risteard81


    Gumbo wrote: »
    Yes I was aware of that from previous posts on the matter.

    Can you explain what’s the difference between this and a B Type RCD?
    A Type A RCD can deal with alternating current fault currents, and also pulsating direct current fault currents. Anything above about 6mA DC will potentially blind the device and prevent it from responding to an Earth fault.

    A Type B RCD, in addition to protecting against AC and pulsating DC, is also capable of dealing with smooth DC fault currents.

    Type AC RCDs are no longer recommended, and in fact are banned in many countries. Any DC currents circulating can blind these devices.


  • #3436
    Risteard81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,567 ✭✭✭Risteard81


    TitianGerm wrote: »
    If you are collecting a part then it is not taking any additional time to drop off the return.
    Yes it is. There's quite a lot of faffing about on the computer and looking up delivery notes etc. It takes quite a bit of time arranging the credit note. You obviously have little experience of dealing with wholesalers.


  • #3437
    Risteard81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,567 ✭✭✭Risteard81


    Felexicon wrote: »
    You can order one from Garo direct but when I enquired about it I was told to make sure I had the credit card clear before going to collect it.
    Do you have a part number?


  • #3438
    Summer8181
    Registered Users Posts: 113 ✭✭Summer8181


    Is it a big job for local sparky to fit ev wallbox? Would he fit it in a couple of hours. It is 6 or 7 meters from switch board.


  • #3439
    Risteard81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,567 ✭✭✭Risteard81


    Summer8181 wrote: »
    Is it a big job for local sparky to fit ev wallbox? Would he fit it in a couple of hours. It is 6 or 7 meters from switch board.
    Without surveying the installation that's really unanswerable. It might theoretically be possible to install it in half a day if everything is straightforward, or it could be multiple days depending on what is involved and also whether remedial works are required to the existing installation etc.


  • #3440
    Summer8181
    Registered Users Posts: 113 ✭✭Summer8181


    Risteard81 wrote: »
    Without surveying the installation that's really unanswerable. It might theoretically be possible to install it in half a day if everything is straightforward, or it could be multiple days depending on what is involved and also whether remedial works are required to the existing installation etc.

    What issues could there possibly be? I'm no expert.

    Is it not a simple to run a cable from switch board into attic and down the wall where I park the car.


  • #3441
    Risteard81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,567 ✭✭✭Risteard81


    Summer8181 wrote: »
    What issues could there possibly be? I'm no expert.

    Is it not a simple to run a cable from switch board into attic and down the wall where I park the car.
    Your existing installation must not impair the safety of the works which are being carried out, nor may your existing installation be impaired by the works being carried out. In essence this means that fundamentals such as Earthing, bonding and neutralising must be correct. Also the meter tails will need to be of sufficient cross-sectional area. (This often is not the case with older installations, where really no additional works should be done without rectifying these things.)

    It also depends what kind of condition your distribution board is in, and whether it can be added to or whether it may need to be replaced. Load management or interlocked contactors may be necessary depending on what other loads are on the installation.

    Your requirements may require a cable to be buried or mounted on a catenary wire, or bringing a cable to wherever it needs to go within the building may not be straightforward.

    This is just a very basic outline of some considerations which need to be considered to assess the installation. Electrical installation work is not simple - this is why it must be carried out by a Registered Electrical Contractor (REC).


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  • #3442
    2011
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,603 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    Risteard81 wrote: »
    Without surveying the installation that's really unanswerable. It might theoretically be possible to install it in half a day if everything is straightforward, or it could be multiple days depending on what is involved and also whether remedial works are required to the existing installation etc.

    ^^^^ I agree 100%

    People are often too quick to say what is involved when a proper survey is required. Some installations are in such poor condition that the addition of an additional load of this size can cause serious issues.
    Summer8181 wrote: »
    What issues could there possibly be? I'm no expert.

    Is it not a simple to run a cable from switch board into attic and down the wall where I park the car.

    A technical electrical question, lovely jovely :)
    Your question may be better suited to this forum.


  • #3443
    liamog
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,061 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    Felexicon wrote: »
    Sorry

    To answer your actual question.

    As the vast majority of EVSEs now have DC leakage protection built in I find I mainly install type A RCD combined with B Characteristic MCB in the form of an RCBO

    Thanks Felexicon, I guess we finally have a reason for why we see such a variance on costs between some simple installs with what appears to be the same equipment.

    It never felt right that Company A were quoting €900 for supply and install of a given charger and Company B were quoting €1400 for the same (numbers are a rough idea). Thanks to the discussion the last few pages it looks like it's down to whether the charge point has been updated to include the built in DC protection.

    Is there any simple question a consumer should ask when ordering the charge point to make sure they get one which results in the cheaper parts for the rest of the install, or is it enough to ask for one with the built in DC protection?


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    -oRnein9-
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 930 ✭✭✭-oRnein9-


    Not sure if this is the place to ask apologies if I should have created a separate thread

    Im looking to have a zappi v2 installed how much would be reasonable for supply and install to a 5yr old house given that the consumer unit is located in the utility room on the party wall so appox 20m of a run to the esb meter cabinet most likely running the cable externally from the back of the kitchen.

    Thanks in advance.


  • #3445
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,799 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    -oRnein9- wrote: »
    Not sure if this is the place to ask apologies if I should have created a separate thread

    Im looking to have a zappi v2 installed how much would be reasonable for supply and install to a 5yr old house given that the consumer unit is located in the utility room on the party wall so appox 20m of a run to the esb meter cabinet most likely running the cable externally from the back of the kitchen.

    Thanks in advance.

    This would be one of the extreme cases as you need to get the 6mm Sq. Cable from the CU to the location of the charge point.


  • #3446
    Felexicon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,425 ✭✭✭Felexicon


    Gumbo wrote: »
    This would be one of the extreme cases as you need to get the 6mm Sq. Cable from the CU to the location of the charge point.

    Or maybe not.

    Safe Electric newsletter today says you can take power from the ESB cabinet for an EV charger.


  • #3447
    Risteard81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,567 ✭✭✭Risteard81


    Felexicon wrote: »
    Or maybe not.

    Safe Electric newsletter today says you can take power from the ESB cabinet for an EV charger.
    RECI have also stated categorically that an isolator within 2m of the EVSE is required under all circumstances.


  • #3448
    the_amazing_raisin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,929 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Felexicon wrote: »
    Or maybe not.

    Safe Electric newsletter today says you can take power from the ESB cabinet for an EV charger.

    So how does that work as regards splitting the house supply? Normally you'd need to create a sub board with one fuse for the house and another for the EV charger

    Say the house was on a 64A fuse. Would it have to be reduced to a 32A fuse to stay within the limits?

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • #3449
    Felexicon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,425 ✭✭✭Felexicon


    cruisey1987 wrote: »
    So how does that work as regards splitting the house supply? Normally you'd need to create a sub board with one fuse for the house and another for the EV charger

    Say the house was on a 64A fuse. Would it have to be reduced to a 32A fuse to stay within the limits?

    New sub board with minimum 80A fuse. 63A for the house and then 32 for the charger.
    Fit load balancing as needed.


  • #3450
    Felexicon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,425 ✭✭✭Felexicon


    Risteard81 wrote: »
    RECI have also stated categorically that an isolator within 2m of the EVSE is required under all circumstances.

    Wasn't even a question for me. They've said it all along.


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  • #3451
    Risteard81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,567 ✭✭✭Risteard81


    Felexicon wrote: »
    Wasn't even a question for me. They've said it all along.

    I agree. But sadly many on this thread were adamant that it wasn't required. I have always maintained that it is required, and this further vindicates my view.


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