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The 'what have some travellers somewhere done this time? thread

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    #242
    lawred2
    Registered Users Posts: 24,270 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    john4321 wrote: »
    Child abuse

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-SH4RpKq7g

    Scum


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    #243
    happyoutscan
    Registered Users Posts: 5,958 ✭✭✭happyoutscan


    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    Have any of you keyboard warriors actually contacted Tulsa???

    ...


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    #244
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,485 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    end of the road wrote: »
    to me traveler culture is as it always was. the music, the story telling, the dialect etc. stuff that may not be practiced as much today, but it is still what traveler culture ultimately is . it certainly isn't what people claim to be "their culture boss" such as the criminality practiced by elements of the community, something that could be dealt with if we paid for the resources to deal with it. something we can well afford to do given we are a very wealthy country.

    Music — Maybe in the past. None now.

    Story telling — Maybe in the past. It’s call out videos now.

    Dialect — Just the dialect of the uneducated and won’t be educated.

    I don’t know what the “etc” bit means. Maybe it’s their prowess at waving slash hooks, machetes etc.


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    #245
    dartboardio
    Registered Users Posts: 2,436 ✭✭✭dartboardio


    The only 'culture' travellers have shown us in the last decade is an excuse for stealing.. Fighting.. Wrecking lives and generally causing havoc.

    And whoever said the father was only encouraging him to have a sip of the guinness clearly has not watched the video properly. The father kept telling him 'faster faster' wanting him to get drunk.

    Abuse plain and simple.


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    #246
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 28,984 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Ri_Nollaig wrote: »
    Education is how this cycle can be broken.

    Not by giving them bullshít ethnic status and playing the victims every five seconds. They should be treated equally in society; both rights and responsibilities.

    Reaching Leaving Cert level should be an absolute minimum standard and if their parents take them out of school, they should be prosecuted. Not to mention obvious actions like prosecuting the scumbag parent here.

    their ethnic status isn't bull. if it was, they wouldn't have got it.
    they are treated equally in society in terms of rights and responsibilities under the law. it's elements of the settled community who unfortunately do not treat them equally, by for example, tarring the whole community with the same brush because of those who do bad things, something which as i said, wouldn't fly if it was aimed at other communities.


    whisky_galore wrote: »
    How can they be educated if the majority of them have zero interest in education? They'll just pull their kids out of school, no fixed address or in a halting site or housing estate that Guards won't enter for most reasons short of a murder investigation.

    Imho there's no good reason why their lifestyle should be entertained in the 21st century. They need to be saved from themselves.


    i'm afraid aspects of their lifestyle will have to be tolerated where it is correctly legally mandated to do so. the aspects that are genuinely problematic for society already have the tools available to deal with them.
    education and their current but slow movement to modern ways are the only way to save them from themselves.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #247
    [Deleted User]
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    happyoutscan wrote: »
    ...

    Did you have something written or was your post always three dots?

    To answer MrsObumbles question, I contacted by email, social services for Fermanagh area and also Tullamore courthouse where the father had last appeared. Social services from Derry emailed me back asking for as much info as possible. Tullamore also responded saying she had passed on the info to the relevant authorities.

    That’s as much as I can do really.


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    #248
    QuadaLumpins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 93 ✭✭QuadaLumpins


    A settled traveler family live in the same small village as me. They have a lot of kids, and one of them is around 9-10 and he walks up and down outside the houses in our estate every morning at around 6am. He checks every car and if he sees loose change in the car he tries the doors. If the door is open he’ll take the change.

    I’ve watched him do this most mornings for the last few months. I went out to him yesterday morning and ask what he was doing. He shrugged his shoulders and walked away.

    I feel sorry for him. Pity him. That’s no childhood to have.

    He’ll graduate from cars to houses by the time he’s a teenager. He’ll grow up with no education and no hope.

    What a great culture.


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    #249
    whisky_galore
    Registered Users Posts: 15,742 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    end of the road wrote: »
    to me traveler culture is as it always was. the music, the story telling, the dialect etc. stuff that may not be practiced as much today, but it is still what traveler culture ultimately is . it certainly isn't what people claim to be "their culture boss" such as the criminality practiced by elements of the community, something that could be dealt with if we paid for the resources to deal with it. something we can well afford to do given we are a very wealthy country.

    Do travellers have a monopoly on music and story telling?
    Where does this take place, in the present day or 50 years ago?

    And horses, a necessity at one time but attempting to keep a horse as a pet in a council estate? Really?
    I'm from a farming family, can I force my landlord to accept a cow on his lawn? Some of their expectations are unreal.

    Can you list anything (legal) in contemporary travelling culture worth preserving?


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    #250
    happyoutscan
    Registered Users Posts: 5,958 ✭✭✭happyoutscan


    Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »
    Did you have something written or was your post always three dots?

    To answer MrsObumbles question, I contacted by email, social services for Fermanagh area and also Tullamore courthouse where the father had last appeared. Social services from Derry emailed me back asking for as much info as possible. Tullamore also responded saying she had passed on the info to the relevant authorities.

    That’s as much as I can do really.

    I decided she wasnt worth getting a ban.


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    #251
    happyoutscan
    Registered Users Posts: 5,958 ✭✭✭happyoutscan


    end of the road wrote: »
    to me traveler culture is as it always was. the music, the story telling, the dialect etc. stuff that may not be practiced as much today, but it is still what traveler culture ultimately is . it certainly isn't what people claim to be "their culture boss" such as the criminality practiced by elements of the community, something that could be dealt with if we paid for the resources to deal with it. something we can well afford to do given we are a very wealthy country.

    This culture you talk about is gone.


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    #252
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    I wonder should they bring the young lad onto the late late show, with his Guinness, next time Peter Casey is on....


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    #253
    normanoffside
    Registered Users Posts: 9,927 ✭✭✭normanoffside


    happyoutscan wrote: »
    This culture you talk about is gone.

    Looks like previous generation approve, did it ever exist?

    https://www.facebook.com/ellen.joyce.568/videos/1457530461043847/


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    #254
    corks finest
    Registered Users Posts: 8,628 ✭✭✭corks finest


    lawred2 wrote: »
    john4321 wrote: »
    Child abuse

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-SH4RpKq7g

    Scum
    And this is culture,,,,,I give up


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    #255
    Mike Oxlong
    Closed Accounts Posts: 397 ✭✭Mike Oxlong


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    Yes, in my waitressing days, I would have found that deeply irritating. And the irritation should just be reserved for the parents but I know I’d have been cursing the kid in my head too. I never minded cleaning up after accidental spills or whatever but cleaning up after people who do not give a fück would be aggravating.

    Sounds like the last speech of a man at the gallows ffs


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    #256
    Jerichoholic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,585 ✭✭✭Jerichoholic


    normanoffside wrote: »
    Looks like previous generation approve, did it ever exist?

    https://www.facebook.com/ellen.joyce.568/videos/1457530461043847/

    On what scale are they measuring " The greatest men in the country"?

    Great at what exactly?


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    #257
    BeerWolf
    Registered Users Posts: 4,122 ✭✭✭BeerWolf


    'Ethic group'... how much did these dredges of Irish society bribe some politician to have them labelled as a protected group? :rolleyes:


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    #258
    demanufactured
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,756 ✭✭✭demanufactured


    end of the road wrote: »
    well it's not going to be ended. at least not by anyone other then the travelers themselves. for anyone other then the travelers, it is not possible to end traveler culture altogether.

    He right though.
    It serves no purpose other than to allow them to get away with crime.


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    #259
    demanufactured
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,756 ✭✭✭demanufactured


    Jerichoholic wrote: »
    On what scale are they measuring " The greatest men in the country"?

    Great at what exactly?

    Being wasters.


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    #260
    MrFresh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭MrFresh


    BeerWolf wrote: »
    'Ethic group'... how much did these dredges of Irish society bribe some politician to have them labelled as a protected group? :rolleyes:


    The word is "ethnic". And they were already protected in their own right as members of the traveling community. It was a separate and equally protected status to ethnicity.


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    #261
    Mena Mitty
    Registered Users Posts: 5,934 ✭✭✭Mena Mitty


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    I wonder should they bring the young lad onto the late late show, with his Guinness, next time Peter Casey is on....

    Nah, maybe Ireland's got talent.


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    #262
    Jerichoholic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,585 ✭✭✭Jerichoholic


    Mena Mitty wrote: »
    Nah, maybe Ireland's got talent.

    RTE will give him his own show soon enough. He's about as talented as Ray D'Arcy already.


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    #263
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 28,984 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    demanufactured wrote: »
    He right though.
    It serves no purpose other than to allow them to get away with crime.

    the fact travelers are prosecuted and jailed would to me at least, show that traveler culture does not allow them to get away with crime. lack of resources to catch criminals is the most likely reason travelers or other criminals are slipping through the net.
    you are assuming that because something doesn't serve a purpose to you, that it equates to not serving a purpose full stop, which i'm afraid for you is not correct. lots of things may not serve a purpose to us as an individual, but may do so to other individuals.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #264
    Oxter
    Registered Users Posts: 304 ✭✭Oxter


    If tbat kid was on the Irish rugby team it would have won against Wales.


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    #265
    Esse85
    Registered Users Posts: 8,236 ✭✭✭Esse85


    Oxter wrote: »
    If tbat kid was on the Irish rugby team it would have won against Wales.

    From all the ball he would have stolen, totally agree.


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    #266
    Oxter
    Registered Users Posts: 304 ✭✭Oxter


    Esse85 wrote: »
    From all the ball he would have stolen, totally agree.

    Send him for elocution lessons to get a D4 accent


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    #267
    The Crowman
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 991 ✭✭✭The Crowman


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    I wonder should they bring the young lad onto the late late show, with his Guinness, next time Peter Casey is on....

    He'll be the new face of Guinness.


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    #268
    demanufactured
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,756 ✭✭✭demanufactured


    end of the road wrote: »
    the fact travelers are prosecuted and jailed would to me at least, show that traveler culture does not allow them to get away with crime. lack of resources to catch criminals is the most likely reason travelers or other criminals are slipping through the net.
    you are assuming that because something doesn't serve a purpose to you, that it equates to not serving a purpose full stop, which i'm afraid for you is not correct. lots of things may not serve a purpose to us as an individual, but may do so to other individuals.

    So please explain to me, what purpose does it serve?


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    #269
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 28,984 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    demanufactured wrote: »
    So please explain to me, what purpose does it serve?


    i think you would be best asking that question to members of the traveling community. they would be best placed to tell you what purpose their culture serves to them.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #270
    Oxter
    Registered Users Posts: 304 ✭✭Oxter


    RHJ wrote: »
    It sounds like they are in a pub or restaurant is it even legal for them to have a child on the premises consuming alcohol. I'm surprised they weren't kicked out.[/quote

    They probably owned the pub (Rathkeale?).


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    #271
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Mike Oxlong wrote: »
    Sounds like the last speech of a man at the gallows ffs

    I have no idea what this means in the context of my post.


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