Replacment for Cessna 172

Leonidas BL · 02-01-2017 9:42pm

http://flyinginireland.com/2016/04/replacement-process-for-the-air-corps-cessnas-to-finally-go-ahead-this-year/

Psychlops · 04-01-2017 11:39pm

No Cessna replacement tender in 2016

http://flyinginireland.com/2017/01/no-cessna-replacement-tender-in-2016-but-pc-9-attrition-replacement-airframe-confirmed/

roundymac · 05-01-2017 12:14pm

dandyelevan wrote: »

Can't depend on Aer Lingus.
They left us 'sittin on the tarmac' at least once after refusing to fly us to Beirut, it being too dangerous for them.
Got a civilian carrier from Norway to bring us instead.

These flights would have been UN flights organised and paid for by the same. If I were the EI CEO I would have refused to fly there as well. Did you ask Ryanair to fly you there?

Leonidas BL · 06-01-2017 9:31pm

Psychlops wrote: »

No Cessna replacement tender in 2016

http://flyinginireland.com/2017/01/no-cessna-replacement-tender-in-2016-but-pc-9-attrition-replacement-airframe-confirmed/

I doubt it seeing as you were in 2017 when you posted that.
Hopefully this year...

Psychlops · 07-01-2017 2:59am

Leonidas BL wrote: »

I doubt it seeing as you were in 2017 when you posted that.
Hopefully this year...

No problem, in the link provided it says the Article is "Published on January 3rd, 2017 | by Jim Lee".:)

Leonidas BL · 30-09-2017 9:17pm

Any updates on this yet?

sparky42 · 01-10-2017 1:27pm

Leonidas BL wrote: »

Any updates on this yet?

The RFI is out, looks like it's set up for the PC12 airframe.

DanMurphy · 01-10-2017 2:23pm

Savage93 wrote: »

Oh yes we do , it's called Aer Lingus:):):):):)

(As a Lebanon veteran) On a few occasions, and at the last minute, Aer Lingus refused to fly us to Beitut / or home from Beirut, back in the 80s and 90s.
Thank God for Norwegian Airlines who flew us there and back when Aer Lingus deemed it 'too dangerous' to fly into Beirut.
Therefore, I wouldn't depend on Aer Lingus to fly troops to any troubled spot.

roadmaster · 14-04-2018 6:48pm

With the PC12s coming over the next two years what way will it work with parking up the cessnas will they go in one go or will they be Going one at a time as the pc 12’s arrive?

sparky42 · 14-04-2018 7:03pm

I see Kehoe and Mellet were over looking at the Pilatus factory and the GD factory doing the MOWAG upgrade:
https://twitter.com/DF_COS

Stovepipe · 16-04-2018 7:40pm

@danmurphy, Norwegian Airlines didnt exist back then so it must have been SAS who were the flag carrier for Norway. The reason EI didn't go and get you is because of insurance; the Govt weren't prepared to cough up the extra amount to pay for War Risks on the aircraft so blame the Govt, not the airline, which was a State organisation back then.

regards
Stovepipe

Leonidas BL · 22-06-2019 8:23pm

https://twitter.com/IrishAirCorps/status/1142350999727874048

The Cessna's were retired today. PC12 must be coming soon

roadmaster · 23-06-2019 10:52pm

When they are selling them if they throw in the rocket launchers I’ll put in a bid

Larbre34 · 27-06-2019 11:29am

Now I know my eyesight isn't quite what it was, but I'd bet my mother-in-law I just saw a PC-12 in silvery grey in the skies over Liffey Valley making its way at a good lick towards Baldonnell.

Any piccies lads?

roadmaster · 27-06-2019 12:40pm

Any word on how the ATR MPA went down?

Larbre34 · 27-06-2019 12:44pm

roadmaster wrote: »

Any word on how the ATR MPA went down?

I presume you don't mean one crashed. Was there a tyre kicking visit?

roadmaster · 27-06-2019 12:54pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

I presume you don't mean one crashed. Was there a tyre kicking visit?

Yeah I seen in the aircraft forum that there was a Italian military ATR MPA over for the sales pitch

sparky42 · 27-06-2019 1:24pm

roadmaster wrote: »

Yeah I seen in the aircraft forum that there was a Italian military ATR MPA over for the sales pitch

Seems a strange pivot to them given the relatively small military user base of the design and the knowledge base of the Casa usage. Though with the DOD I'm sure we'll end up with something like this.

roadmaster · 27-06-2019 1:30pm

sparky42 wrote: »

Seems a strange pivot to them given the relatively small military user base of the design and the knowledge base of the Casa usage. Though with the DOD I'm sure we'll end up with something like this.

The atr YouTube videos look good! You never know they might surprise everyone and also buy pure transport aircraft

sparky42 · 27-06-2019 5:19pm

roadmaster wrote: »

The atr YouTube videos look good! You never know they might surprise everyone and also buy pure transport aircraft

Again though a pure Cargo Casa 295 would surely make more sense than a civve aircarft?

roadmaster · 27-06-2019 7:54pm

sparky42 wrote: »

Again though a pure Cargo Casa 295 would surely make more sense than a civve aircarft?

Suppose it depends on weather the replacement is going to be a jack of all trades or just MPA. Would the PC 12’s be able for MPA work or would the salt do damage from low flying

Larbre34 · 27-06-2019 9:01pm

roadmaster wrote: »

Suppose it depends on weather the replacement is going to be a jack of all trades or just MPA. Would the PC 12’s be able for MPA work or would the salt do damage from low flying

I guess it depends two things, the level of ISTAR fitout and the permitted range and endurance offshore with a single engine. They could probably do some top cover if needed but they aren't in any way a substitute.

You'd have to imagine the 295 is in pole position for the MPA, the lack of rear ramp on the ATR is a big drawback considering we don't have any other ramped transports.

Psychlops · 27-06-2019 9:12pm

Rear ramp is necessary, I have my money on C295M's.

sparky42 · 27-06-2019 11:32pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

You'd have to imagine the 295 is in pole position for the MPA, the lack of rear ramp on the ATR is a big drawback considering we don't have any other ramped transports.

You'd have to think so, but with the procurement system in the DOD...

roadmaster · 28-06-2019 8:27pm

If they went with the 295 would the pilots just need a simple upgrade course or would they be looking at having to train on it the same as any other aircraft?

roadmaster · 28-06-2019 8:29pm

sparky42 wrote: »

You'd have to think so, but with the procurement system in the DOD...

Would the DOD be willing to take Side deals when buying aircraft like other countries?

sparky42 · 29-06-2019 1:26am

roadmaster wrote: »

Would the DOD be willing to take Side deals when buying aircraft like other countries?

Doubt it.

Manic Moran · 03-07-2019 5:34pm

roadmaster wrote: »

When they are selling them if they throw in the rocket launchers I’ll put in a bid

Hell, I'll take them without rocket launchers. There seems to be a lack of reasonable aircraft rental options around where I am, and a purchase may or may not be a reasonable option for me. Plus the 172 is something I'm quite comfortable flying.

roadmaster · 03-07-2019 6:26pm

If someone buys them would a lot of work have to be done considering there age or where they kept top shape

Leonidas BL · 03-07-2019 8:07pm

roadmaster wrote: »

If someone buys them would a lot of work have to be done considering there age or where they kept top shape

I wonder would ya get vintage tax and insurance on them??

Larbre34 · 04-07-2019 1:01am

No doubt the 172s have been well maintained, but are they all even airworthy still? I'd be shocked to see them offered for sale, I think the safest thing would be to scrap them or at least break them for parts not subject to fatigue, after all its not a squadron of some rare piston engined fighter.

roadmaster · 08-07-2019 6:33pm

With the 172s gone what will do target towing now?

sparky42 · 08-07-2019 6:47pm

roadmaster wrote: »

With the 172s gone what will do target towing now?

When was the last time that was done anyway?

Leonidas BL · 08-07-2019 6:52pm

roadmaster wrote: »

With the 172s gone what will do target towing now?

Use a hot air balloon, that's all they'd be able to catch anyway

Manic Moran · 08-07-2019 7:58pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

No doubt the 172s have been well maintained, but are they all even airworthy still? I'd be shocked to see them offered for sale, I think the safest thing would be to scrap them or at least break them for parts not subject to fatigue, after all its not a squadron of some rare piston engined fighter.

You'll be amazed at the age of 172s which are in routine civilian service, even those at flight schools which get used all but around the clock. Have a look at trade-a-plane and see the years of manufacture.

Stovepipe · 16-07-2019 8:35pm

I started my aviation career on those Cessnas (208 being my first) and those Cessnas are the best maintained in the country, bar none. I have worked on many Irish civvy Cessnas and others and some of them are corroded junk. For their age, they have low hours on their airframes and engines and are in fine condition. There are already a few civilian Reims Rockets in Ireland and have been for many years, so getting them onto the civilian register would be simple enough, although, given the past record of the DoD, they'd chop them up rather than sell them.

Tabnabs · 07-10-2019 3:35pm

https://twitter.com/IrishAirCorps/status/1181214266063380480

Markcheese · 07-10-2019 5:43pm

What are they going to give pilot training in now?

Leonidas BL · 07-10-2019 6:00pm

Markcheese wrote: »

What are they going to give pilot training in now?

I seen the PC-9's flying around here so I presume they are taking over its roles for now??

sparky42 · 07-10-2019 8:56pm

Markcheese wrote: »

What are they going to give pilot training in now?

Thought the PC9's have been doing all the pilot training, the Cessna's have been used for everything and anything that have been needed.

Markcheese · 07-10-2019 9:13pm

Okay, I just assumed that since the cesnas were the flying equivalent of a Nissan micra that they'd be the start of pilot training...

Markcheese · 07-10-2019 9:14pm

Okay, I just assumed that since the cesnas were the flying equivalent of a Nissan micra that they'd be the start of pilot training...

sparky42 · 07-10-2019 9:34pm

Markcheese wrote: »

Okay, I just assumed that since the cesnas were the flying equivalent of a Nissan micra that they'd be the start of pilot training...

Nah, for us they were used for other roles mainly in regards to the Troubles, since then I think they've just been used for whatever was needed.

Leonidas BL · 07-10-2019 10:29pm

sparky42 wrote: »

Nah, for us they were used for other roles mainly in regards to the Troubles, since then I think they've just been used for whatever was needed.

So ya trained in the PC-9 to fly the Cessna lol. No wonder they're all leaving

Heraldoffreeent · 07-10-2019 11:32pm

Leonidas BL wrote: »

So ya trained in the PC-9 to fly the Cessna lol. No wonder they're all leaving

PC-9 wasn't around during the troubles, which is what Sparky referred to.

Leonidas BL · 07-10-2019 11:38pm

Heraldoffreeent wrote: »

PC-9 wasn't around during the troubles, which is what Sparky referred to.

He also referred to being used for "whatever was needed" since then, which in my mind means they are the mainstay of the Air Corps fleet. So you train on the PC-9 and move on to the Cessna's, correct?

Markcheese · 07-10-2019 11:44pm

I suppose the cesnas were relatively cheap to operate, and the high wings are good for visability,
I'm kinda surprised they're not being kept on, Dod will get Feic all for selling them, they're probably impeccably maintained and cost buttons to run (relatively)...

Larbre34 · 08-10-2019 11:15pm

Markcheese wrote: »

I suppose the cesnas were relatively cheap to operate, and the high wings are good for visability,
I'm kinda surprised they're not being kept on,

They are heading for 50 years old in fairness and their capabilities are light years behind the Spectres replacing them. For a service that struggles for manpower and physical resources, there would be no justification for keeping them on inventory.

jonnybigwallet · 10-10-2019 2:52pm

That south african job that somebody posted a while back looks pretty interesting!

sparky42 · 10-10-2019 3:49pm

jonnybigwallet wrote: »

That south african job that somebody posted a while back looks pretty interesting!

What?

Replacment for Cessna 172

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